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The big headed Inhuman

vs

The small headed mutie.

I think it comes down to whether you think Karnak can break adamantium or not. I personally don't. Though, if they were fighting in some random city, I could see Karnak just collapsing a building on top of Wolvie and leaving him trapped there.

He probably could, but it's not 100%.

He did manage to K.O Surfer with one of his uber pin point attacks.

Originally posted by long pig
He probably could, but it's not 100%.

He did manage to K.O Surfer with one of his uber pin point attacks.
Yeah, but that was one of his higher end feats. As much as I know about Black Bolt, I've never payed much attention to Karnak. The only really impressive things I know of are the Surfer thing and the time he sensed a weak point in the Earth that would sink an entire island. Really, give the man even just Class 5 or so strength, and he would be so much more impressive. As it is now, I think that a lot of the flaws he sees he just can't capitalize on fully.

Dude, he is UBER_POWERFUL ......
I mean if he can detect any point of weakness a ones body than one is doomed !!!

He can find the "achilles heel" in every person............ even achilles !!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Dude, he is UBER_POWERFUL ......
I mean if he can detect any point of weakness a ones body than one is doomed !!!

He can find the "achilles heel" in every person............ even achilles !!
I know how his power works, but... ya know, it just occured to me that snapping Logan's spine would put him down long enough to count as a win. So, Karnak has a chance, I just give Wolverine the majority.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Dude, he is UBER_POWERFUL ......
I mean if he can detect any point of weakness a ones body than one is doomed !!!

He can find the "achilles heel" in every person............ even achilles !! Finding Achillies's weak point isn't a really impressive feet-er feat, since the synonym for weak spot was named after the poor sap.

Karnak is stronger and faster than Wolverine, possibly....well actually, more trained at his martial art.

That's gotta count for something.

He took out Thing with minimal effort, that's a decent feat.

THe THing !!! a 90-100 classer !!!!

Anyway, he's an inhuman, so probably faster and more agile than mutants (MAYBE!!!!)

He would somehow find out how Wolvie's healing factor works, and seal away his mutant genes !!!................. then Snap his neck !!!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
THe THing !!! a 90-100 classer !!!!

Anyway, he's an inhuman, so probably faster and more agile than mutants (MAYBE!!!!)

He would somehow find out how Wolvie's healing factor works, and seal away his mutant genes !!!................. then Snap his neck !!! Oh dear. . um. . . that's weather or not he can break adamantium. . .

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
THe THing !!! a 90-100 classer !!!!

Anyway, he's an inhuman, so probably faster and more agile than mutants (MAYBE!!!!)

He would somehow find out how Wolvie's healing factor works, and seal away his mutant genes !!!................. then Snap his neck !!!
Dude, you have got to calm down. You can make your point without thirty exclamation marks and fifty periods.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh dear. . um. . . that's weather or not he can break adamantium. . .
Actually, all he has to do is snap his spinal cord, which is not only unprotected but fairly fragile.

Well............. he could just pull his lungs out !!!

Originally posted by Khellendros
Actually, all he has to do is snap his spinal cord, which is not only unprotected but fairly fragile. The problem is the 616's bonding process bonded the bones at a molecular level, while still enabling him to move.

This is shown repeatedly by feats that should remove sections of his skeleton from each other.

Sure you have AOA and HOM, but neither of those are 616. . .

You can only get the needed twist if you can break this bond.

Well............ you CAN pull his lungs out without breakin any bone !!!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Well............ you CAN pull his lungs out without breakin any bone !!! Yeah, no arguments there.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The problem is the 616's bonding process bonded the bones at a molecular level, while still enabling him to move.

This is shown repeatedly by feats that should remove sections of his skeleton from each other.

Sure you have AOA and HOM, but neither of those are 616. . .

You can only get the needed twist if you can break this bond.
I'm not sure why the bonding makes the spinal cord any less fragile. you know I'm talking about the cord, and not the spine itself, right?

Wolverine can run from him for about 2 hours and then sneeze on him....

Originally posted by Khellendros
I'm not sure why the bonding makes the spinal cord any less fragile. you know I'm talking about the cord, and not the spine itself, right? Yup. I'm well aware of that. But moving the cord would be a trick to do.

You'd have to move the cord without moving the bones. cause if you moved the bones at the same time as the cord, then you'd encounter the resistence.

http://www.sci-recovery.org/images/crosssection.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup. I'm well aware of that. But moving the cord would be a trick to do.

You'd have to move the cord without moving the bones. cause if you moved the bones at the same time as the cord, then you'd encounter the resistence.

http://www.sci-recovery.org/images/crosssection.jpg
Actually, you'd just need to sufficiently dislocate one of the vertebrae. Like I say, the bones are tough, but everthing in between isn't.

Just pull out his goddamn heart or lung !!!

Originally posted by Khellendros
Actually, you'd just need to sufficiently dislocate one of the vertebrae. Like I say, the bones are tough, but everthing in between isn't. As I said there have been several feats in 616 where had that been true, Wolverine would have lost something.



The only times he has lost something were in alternate timelines that were divergent before Wolverine went into the WeaponX program and realities. . .

AOA is a divergent before the WX program and he lost his hand.

HOM is an alternate reality that's also not 616. . .

HOM .............

But whats the point of having bone arms, without muscles to move it ??

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Just pull out his goddamn heart or lung !!!
Hush now young man, the grownups are talking.


Originally posted by Creshosk
As I said there have been several feats in 616 where had that been true, Wolverine would have lost something.



The only times he has lost something were in alternate timelines that were divergent before Wolverine went into the WeaponX program and realities. . .

AOA is a divergent before the WX program and he lost his hand.

HOM is an alternate reality that's also not 616. . .
And yet I've seen Elektra jamming sais into his shoulder joints. I'm not saying adamantium isn't an excellent shock absorber, because it apparently is, and possibly even acts as a heatsink. But I'm still not seeing why a well-placed blade wouldn't sever the cord.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Hush now young man, the grownups are talking.



And yet I've seen Elektra jamming sais into his shoulder joints. I'm not saying adamantium isn't an excellent shock absorber, because it apparently is, and possibly even acts as a heatsink. But I'm still not seeing why a well-placed blade wouldn't sever the cord. Because it hasn't before.

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/gallery/shoulder/shoulder_joint.jpg

You can see there is a gap in the shoulders. (sorta below the bone)

Other wise she peirced adamantium due to the way that the shoulder is a ball joint.

http://www.tsjh.org/gifs/anat_shoulder.jpg

Every limb are ball joints !!!
Xept the neck !!!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Every limb are ball joints !!!
Xept the neck !!! Not really. . the hand for example has three different types of joints.

http://fulton.edzone.net/cites/winkler-science/team2/saddle_joint.gif

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because it hasn't before.
Uh huh. So, just because something hasn't happened in comics, it's invalid? Going by that logic, this forum is all but pointless.

If your saying that this forum is pointless.... it iS !!!

But thats what makes it ........ what it is !!

Originally posted by Khellendros
Uh huh. So, just because something hasn't happened in comics, it's invalid? Going by that logic, this forum is all but pointless. No,

Why can't Spiderman or wolverine beat galactus, well it hasn't happened in the comics. . . so there's no evidence to support the idea that it can despite trying. . .


Did you even read my earlier post that specifically mentions shingen?

Stop blaming Achilles, he was killed with a cheap, sucker punch shot.