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After watching AOTC, it reveals that the Death Star plans have been made. Dooku recieves them from Poggle so that they stay hidden and are not destroyed.

My theory is that Dooku gives his master the plans, and that they begin the construction for it sometime between AOTC and Episode III.

The weird thing is that Tarkin had something to do with the plans. Then it turns out that the Geonasians came up with it first. Do you think that GL has decided that the Geos will help construct it?

I was wondering about that. It is on the offical site (which I know isn't completely canon) that Tarkin thought it up himself in a special lab with a team of scientists and his mistress.

The continuity thing is starting to get on my nerves.

Maybe that is what is thought of by people of the Republic archives, but in reality they stole the plans.

Or maybe GL doesn't like his old movies and is going to redo them completely and have Geonasians working on the Death Star with Tarkin.

Plans are one thing to make it work is something different, Isnt Tarking credited for constructing the Death Star.
Funny thing though is in ANH when Vader adresses another man as the constructor of the Death Star.
"Dont be to proud of this techonlogical terror you have constructed, it is insignificant compared to the force"

No, Tarkin is never credited as its builder, and I very much doubt Vader was talking specifically to that man; he meant 'you' in general.

ultimate and ultimate... it took just two proton torpedoes to destroy it

And dont forget some good old Force Energy too!!!

"..use the force Luke"

the force is strong with this one

Well I just refere to the SW com databank, he is not really credited for constructing it and it is kind off a EU thing but anyways" Grand Moff Tarkin was the Imperial governor of the Outland Regions, and the mastermind of the Death Star project"
You always need someone who is able to make plans come alive, and I agree with you that Vader probably adressed the whole assambly in that room. But in my opinion those where the constructors of DS.

Maybe. But Poggle said "if they find out what WE plan to build..." so was he referring to just the Geonosians or was he including Dooku/Palpatine/all the bad guys in general ?

But the plans were taken away, maybe the baddies just steal them and kill the Geonosians

Well that would be typical of Sidious for sure.

Speaking of GL disregarding the OT, in ESB, Ben said that Yoda trained him, not that Jinn son-of-a-*****.

Yoda did train him. Just see how he teaches the Bearclan????

Eh, you're probably right.

Jinn is no son-of-a-*****. He's one of the coolest Jedi next to Yoda.

Well, the backstabbing part would be likely. He did that to the Trade Federation.

who? QGJ?

Qui-Gon backstabing the TF?

stabbing a door... on the TF-ship

Rather literal there... I suspect Rex means the Sith will backstab the Geonosians.

GL very specifically had Obi-Wan mention Yoda at the very start of TPM as having aught him before to maintain continuity with ESB.

the Sith will always backstab people who work for them... didn't they allmost destroy each other??? and only Palpy was standing...watching.. waiting

and that's EU

sorry

accepted... for the time being...

The Sith backstabbing each other? NOT EU. A George Lucas quote.

the destroyed eachother part was EU in the '80, I'm not sure 'bout the novel of TPM

The destroying each other part is also from the same GL quote and is not EU, even though any plot details from those 80's stories are.

It is canon that the Sith were once more prolific, but that they continually betrayed each other and in the end could only survive by there only being two left.

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What if those two backstab each other?

And Sith Lords still backstab each other in OT. Vader throughs Palpy into the shaft.

Not acting in his capacity as a Sith Lord at that point, of course. But he still wold have done anyway.

I don't think anybody, Jedi or Sith, is going to backstab the Sidious without him knowing its coming.

But Vader does it nonetheless. Yes, Vader probably would have done it anyway, especially because wanted "to be the most powerful Jedi ever!"

indeedy, if Sidious saw everything (future-wise) then Vader couldn't kill him

"always in motion the future is"

"Everything is going as I have forseen"

"You will take your fathers place besides me"

But remember in the novel, Luke had a third thought....kill them both.

- And then another thought emerged, slowly compulsive as an ardent lover; he could destroy the Emporer, too. Destroy them both, and rule the galaxy. Avenge and conquer.

It was a profoud moment for Luke. Dizzying. Yet he did not swoon. Nor did he recoil.

He took one step forward.

For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City -

Well you all know the rest...and I know its not canon, but just imagine !!!

the novel IS canon, just not as big as the movies

Only the movies are canon

movies are more canon then radio drama who are more canon then novel, but novels ARE canon

I wonder if the Geonasians are destroyed by the Empire. Most likely.

Movies are the only thing canon, if the novels were to be canon then Obi wan and Owen Lars are brothers which they aint

Novels are semi-canon, which is to say they are right unless the movies contradict them.

as they have with Owen Lars

Apparently, yes.

Like said, the movie contradicted that part of the novel!

I know!!!

that was aimed at finti

I take it Finti doesn't like EU.

No. Not in either form.

which again will say that the only thing canon is the movies

BB I really gave EU a chance I read all the books up to the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. Then the bookstore I used were unable to deliver Shield Of Lies. Anywys the books were kind of similare, always in deep trouble against a very mighty opponent and Luke came out as a "havent really got a clue wuss kind off a Jedi" So after 14 books I packed it in and really wasnt that bothered that I didnt purchase the BFC trilogy and new rebellion, even if they looked the most promiseing ones, maybe I go for them in the fall, maybe.

That's nice. But it doesn't mean you have to hate all EU.

I think the big problem is that it doesn't feel very SW-ish

Depends.

I thought Shadows of the Empire was good.

It is. I've played the video game too. Kinda boring though. It look cool on Gamecube.

jedi outcast is comming for gamecube, im really looking forward for it, and bounty hunter

Well either you like EU or you dont, it is no in between

Can we get back on topic? EU has nothing to do with the films. When are people going to finally understand this?

Helmet's right. Back to the "ultimate weapon."
Here's an interesting twist:
Dooku is Palpy's apprentice. But he's also the leader of the "Rebellion." So here's what I think: The Rebellion is all Palpy's plan (duh! ) to gain special powers that allow him to create an army for the Republic (which he does). He then uses the army to force the Republic into his submission, making him Emperor. The Death Star is an extention of the army, which eventually becomes the Imperial Navy. Palpy plans to destroy the Rebellion, after he becomes Emperor, using the Death star on their bases. Palpy entrusted the plans to Dooku, who he could trust.
Only problem is, he couldn't trust Dooku, who "accidentally" let the plans slip into Rebel hands, planning to kill Palpy and take over. But then Dooku gets killed, ahd the plans find their way to Leia. We all know the rest.

Or Kyle Katarn got them a few 20 years later and returned with them and gave them to the Rebel Alliance.

THAT'S EU!!! EU IS NOT RELEVANT TO MOVIES!!!!!!!!!!

Your theory isn't relevant either, but who cares. Don't be such an itnif!

Fair point from Rex, I feel...

Oh really well that Kyle crap is totally bullshit though

Certainly is, but no more so than that theory which ignores the fact that the Rebels got the plans after a BATTLE many years after Dooku's almost certain death...

Itnif?

Yep Ush is right and GK itnif is Tex invention and Rex being a copycat trying to be funny. It spells my name backwards, hmm bacwards is almost like were Rex lives only that would be backwoods.

Ah... Tex and REX need serious help.

they are beyond any help

About 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0 miles beyond help.

Okay, Mr. Arnian and Viking man.

*coughcoughidiotscoughcough*

You know the loser cough went out a looooong time ago.

My friends here still think it's funny...actually, only the goofball one that gets on my nerves occasionally but he's my best friend anyway.

Hey, same way with me! Might I know you? *Suspicious*

Not if you live on Arnia.

How do I know you DON'T? Quick, what color is your skin?!?!

is this sidious? if so, they did this same thing in the movie angel heart. robert deniro was louis cifer

I think the rebellion is not the remnants of the republic, but the rebel alliance is the remnants of the confederacy led by dooku, and the empire is officially the remnants of the republic. Maybe the jedi discover the truth of the corruption in the senate and join the confederacy, so palpatine has anakin track them down and destroy them.
Anakin follows palpatine nnot just because he is falling to the dark side, but because he feels the jedi betrayed the republic and he is more loyal to the republic (in palpatine) than he is to the jedi.
This is why he ends up thinking of the rebel allience and jedi as traitors.