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the victor ?

Corran Horn.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Corran Horn.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Corran Horn.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Corran Horn.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Corran Horn.

As much as Corran as my favorite character in all of SW, he loses. Not until after a god fight though.

Lol. . . good one.

Corran is good, but not that good. He's probably around Qui-gons level. Plo Koon would beat him.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Corran is good, but not that good. He's probably around Qui-gons level. Plo Koon would beat him.

Amen. NJO sucks. . . no offence NJO fans. . .

NJO for the most part is good actually. It develops the new generation of Jedi Knights like no other series. The Empire was also getting a little old. A new threat was needed. The Vong were a crapp solution, but it worked ok. The new force views sucked, as did Luke, but otherwise it was good.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
NJO for the most part is good actually. It develops the new generation of Jedi Knights like no other series. The Empire was also getting a little old. A new threat was needed. The Vong were a crapp solution, but it worked ok. The new force views sucked, as did Luke, but otherwise it was good.

So like 75% of it sucked? LOL.

More like 10% or less.

As much as I despise the idea of a Jedi absorbing an explosion, Horn would waste Koon.

How so? Don't get me wrong, Horn is my fav. character, but he isn't almighty.

And neither is Plo Koon. Far from it, in fact. But Horn has impressed me far more than his opponent here. I actually rather dislike both characters, so there's no bias involved. Thing is, Plo Koon just isn't that good.

Plo Koon was a powerful form five user. I don't think Horn even has a traditional form. I think all the NJO Jedi except Luke just swing like younglings. Horn also lacks TK.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Plo Koon was a powerful form five user. I don't think Horn even has a traditional form. I think all the NJO Jedi except Luke just swing like younglings. Horn also lacks TK.

TK? Koon would defeat Horn after a while. . .

Don't really think so. . .

If Plo Koon was such an accomplished Djem So duelist, why is it that he was disarmed and led into the circle of survivors by droids in Geonosis while AOTC Anakin was fine? How was he outdone by a Padawan?

Corran Horn in 'I, Jedi' would have a hard time, but as of the NJO series, Plo would be wasted. NJO Jedi are just plain uber in every category.

That is a common argument against Koon. But in return, I ask, why was Yoda disarmed in combat? Why was Sidious? Either of them could waste Horn. Him getting disarmed doesn't really apply, happens to the best of them.

So are we saying this dude with the kick ass white saber can beat Plo? Ok sounds good to me

I'm of a mind to agree. The evidence supports Horn, not Koon.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
As much as I despise the idea of a Jedi absorbing an explosion, Horn would waste Koon.

Im sorry, he would not waste anyone.

BUt, we do not know enough info on Plo Koon to judge wether he would win or not. We dont know his fighting abilities or force powers maybe except that he can shoot lightning from his fingertips. So corran would win. But I dont think he would own him so easily. He was a respected member in the jedi council. For all we know he could have been a real great fighter. Who knows. I support Corran this one though.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Don't really think so. . .

If Plo Koon was such an accomplished Djem So duelist, why is it that he was disarmed and led into the circle of survivors by droids in Geonosis while AOTC Anakin was fine? How was he outdone by a Padawan?

Corran Horn in 'I, Jedi' would have a hard time, but as of the NJO series, Plo would be wasted. NJO Jedi are just plain uber in every category.

It was not supposed to be like that in Lucas's original scrpit. Plo Koon Ki adi and Alya and a few others were suppose to infiltrate some place in geonoisis to disarm the droids, but they got rid of that. And set it up differently. I could give you the link...., but according to the movie he was disarmed so i have nothing to argue about, unless you're saying that KI adi and Alya Secura are nothing impressive either..

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That is a common argument against Koon. But in return, I ask, why was Yoda disarmed in combat? Why was Sidious? Either of them could waste Horn. Him getting disarmed doesn't really apply, happens to the best of them.

See the thing is, Yoda was disarmed by Darth Sidious, the second most powerful being of the era. Sidious was disarmed by Mace Windu, one of the greatest swordsman of his time and others. Plo Koon was disarmed by bloody droids. And if such a great practioner of Djem So can be disarmed by spindly battle droids, than he renders the form useless.

And Akbar, any NJO Jedi would waste Plo Koon. That's just how it is. Now, if this Horn as of 'I, Jedi' we have a fight. But as of the NJO, Koon is gone.

Well, true he was disarmed,but you dont know how or why.

What if it wasn't the droids, he was escorted by the geonosian flying things. Not driods.

"Corran wins because he has a kick ass white saber" - in the words of Neo_Version_7

The color of the lightsaber doesnt matter. Plo KOon had a gold one before TPM. Does that mean he would win?

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
The color of the lightsaber doesnt matter. Plo KOon had a gold one before TPM. Does that mean he would win?

I was impersanating another member of KMC who beleives that the color of a lightsaber dictates the amount of power a Jedi/Sith has.

Hense the Desann vs Revan thread...

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
It was not supposed to be like that in Lucas's original scrpit. Plo Koon Ki adi and Alya and a few others were suppose to infiltrate some place in geonoisis to disarm the droids, but they got rid of that. And set it up differently. I could give you the link...., but according to the movie he was disarmed so i have nothing to argue about, unless you're saying that KI adi and Alya Secura are nothing impressive either..

As of AOTC, they weren't. But Aayla Secura was shown to make some impressive headway during the Clone Wars, displayed in the 'Republic' series.

Ki-Adi-Mundi stood up to General Grievous, the only one of his entire team who could. Now, he was defeated, but by the same being who had just crushed four Jedi. Might I remind you that among them was Secura herself, Council member Shaak Ti, and Master K'Kruhk, who gave Quinlan Vos a run for his money. Not to mention that Mundi was the prime target the entire duration of the duel.

Impressive.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
What if it wasn't the droids, he was escorted by the geonosian flying things. Not driods.

zOMG! The almighty Geonosian drones! *gasp* It really doesn't matter whether his weapon was shot out of his hand, smacked away by a staff, or dropped when he tripped over a dead body. Fact is, he lost his weapon to bugs and droids, while Anakin and goddamn Padme could.

Word.

Stop the Plo Koon worshipping. It must end!

The Jawas demand it!! Anyone who is poisoned by the pure fumes of Lord Artoo deserves the scrap-house!

Oooteenie!

It this was Plo Koon fanboyism, then I would be like "wat te eff plo kon wuld win".

This has happened before. Whenever there is a massive wave of fanboyism for a character, everyone else decides that that character is a loser. This is what happening to Plo Koon right now.

We know Plo Koon is a powerful form five master. We also know he can use force lightning, as well as alter the environment with the force. He TK ability is good, he has a special skill at moving things he is not looking at. Corran doesn't even have TK unless he asorbes a large amount of energy, and even then, only for a little while, because he has to release it or he will die from storing the energy(internal combustion isn't pretty in a human ).

All the melee oponnents Corran have fought is like one Jensaari and maybe six or seven hundred Yuuzhan Vong warriors over a five year time.

Because of Corran's lack of TK, he can use many force powers. He can't throw his lightsaber. He can't use force jump. He use force push ect.

Tell me how Corran wins.


By the way, nice sig Janus.

The lack of "TK" isn't necessarilly a bad thing. I mean, Corran needed to learn how to adapt a slightly different fighting style because of his disadvantage. He reallly does kick ass at dueling (that's clear when you read the NJO; specifically the first few books or so). He could always pull the duel-phase mode trick on Koon, which would most likely work.

At mastery of the Force: Plo Koon>Corran Horn
At lightsaber skills:Plo Koon<Corran Horn.

Corran was fighting Yuuzhan Vong, not a PT-era Jedi Master. I think Plo would have a very hard time, but Corran just isn't up to par.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Word.

Stop the Plo Koon worshipping. It must end!

Oh mi gosh! Plo Koon can shoot lightning from his fingertips, his whole species can!!!1!! although this sounds very wacky, it is very pawning (sorry for that gay word) so plo koon wins by default although he was so stupid to crash his spaceplane!

Glentract, you have yet to counter the disarming statement. He was obviously not as skilled as you claim if he was bested by droids, or Geonosians, for that matter.

And Corran Horn fighting through nearly a thousand Vong, even over a few years, is not impressive? Those same Vong warriors could likely take thousands and thousands of those same battle droids.

So what if he lacks a TK ability? If Plo Koon uses his 'omg furce lightnn tht wud crus all', it'd be absorbed, and then thrown right back at him in an energy attack. So basically, Corran will absorb all of Koon's attacks, and then proceed to tear him apart with his insane dueling abilities.

Lastly, I don't utterly hate Plo Koon. It's just that everyone seems to think he is so good when, in all actuality, he has little going for him. I'll go so far as to say that he improved through the Clone Wars, and possessed an impressive affinity for the Force, as well as a decent Djem So practioner. But against Corran Horn, who would just absorb his most lethal attacks, and then simply outduel him, he stands little chance.

'omg furce lightnn tht wud crus all'

lmfao! Priceless!

Glentract, you have yet to counter the disarming statement. He was obviously not as skilled as you claim if he was bested by droids, or Geonosians, for that matter.

(At least he survived the battle. There were thousands of droids. Jedi have been killed by droids on many occasions. It is not something to cause me to look down upon someone who was disarmed when outnumbered a thousand to one.)

And Corran Horn fighting through nearly a thousand Vong, even over a few years, is not impressive? Those same Vong warriors could likely take thousands and thousands of those same battle droids.

(He didn't fight them at the same time. Even a PT Padawan could fight Vong three at a time over and over again and kill just as many over a five year period.)

So what if he lacks a TK ability? If Plo Koon uses his 'omg furce lightnn tht wud crus all', it'd be absorbed, and then thrown right back at him in an energy attack. So basically, Corran will absorb all of Koon's attacks, and then proceed to tear him apart with his insane dueling abilities.

(When has Corran demonstrated the ability to asorb force lightning? He has asorbed heat. I also don't remember Corran every asorbing a force push. Please give a reference.)

Lastly, I don't utterly hate Plo Koon. It's just that everyone seems to think he is so good when, in all actuality, he has little going for him. I'll go so far as to say that he improved through the Clone Wars, and possessed an impressive affinity for the Force, as well as a decent Djem So practioner. But against Corran Horn, who would just absorb his most lethal attacks, and then simply outduel him, he stands little chance.

(Plo Koon was a Jedi Master on the Council. He was trained by a powerful Council Member. He lead the Stark Hyperspace War after Tyvokka(his master) was killed. Your underestimating him.)

(At least he survived the battle. There were thousands of droids. Jedi have been killed by droids on many occasions. It is not something to cause me to look down upon someone who was disarmed when outnumbered a thousand to one.)

Padme survived the battle despite being in the epicenter of blaster bolt hell. No droid disarmed her. Either way, this isn't a testament to his prowess in saber combat. Period.


(He didn't fight them at the same time. Even a PT Padawan could fight Vong three at a time over and over again and kill just as many over a five year period.)

A) Never said he fought them all at the same time. B) Where does it say PT era padawans can fend off Vong? If that was the case, why were they such a threat in combat? Is this more Glentract "IMO" or is this rooted in fact?


(When has Corran demonstrated the ability to asorb force lightning? He has asorbed heat survived extended periods of time that could kill a person and redirected that explosion]. I also don't remember Corran every asorbing a force push. Please give a reference.)

An explosion is primarily kinetic energy. What do you think Force push is? Charging something with enough kinetic energy to make it move. Lightning? Well, it's not force lightning in the case of Koon. If it was, it could be blocked with a saber or absorbed since Force lightning is more kinetic in nature than electric. But Koon's lightning was never mentioned to be so overwhelming he could defeat a seasoned foe. Period.


(Plo Koon was a Jedi Master on the Council. He was trained by a powerful Council Member. He lead the Stark Hyperspace War after Tyvokka(his master) was killed. Your underestimating him.)

And Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto and Sassee Tiin are Jedi masters on the Council. That means jack in the PT era.

He was trained by a powerful Council member? Does that make him powerful neccessarily? Why does Qui-Gon suck compared to Dooku?

And what was his role in the Stark Hyperspace War? Did it include doing something that makes him better than Coran Horn? It sure as hell didn't help him in the Clone Wars.

I think you are championing the underdog here trying to be different.

Nicely said.

Well, you had my back a couple of times. Us jawas have to stick together.

All this NJO non-sense sucks. . .can't we have a character fighting another character of reasonable strength? All this "Corran Horn rules'' crap getting is annoying.

Attn: Faunus. . .stop trying to establish yourself as the best debater.

So far your only argument was that Plo Koon was disarmed. Watch AOTC again my friend. After Mace Windu announces that the Jedi won't surrender you can see Plo Koon activating a blue plasma thingy. Now keep in mind that this is only a theory not fact, though backed by some facts, According to SW.com Plo Koon is a very strong force user and the extra-sensory organs on his head further enhance his powers. Plo Koon probably sensed that Yoda was coming with an army and decided to let the Droids win the first round. Tell me Faunus, have you ever heard the phrase; "Choose your battles''? Plo Koon is much smarter than most people say and is underrated. It's all these NJO and KOTOR fanboys who pretty much ruin these threads, forums, and websites.

Originally posted by General Makashi
Attn: Faunus. . .stop trying to establish yourself as the best debater.

So far your only argument was that Plo Koon was disarmed. Watch AOTC again my friend. After Mace Windu announces that the Jedi won't surrender you can see Plo Koon activating a blue plasma thingy. Now keep in mind that this is only a theory not fact, though backed by some facts, According to SW.com Plo Koon is a very strong force user and the extra-sensory organs on his head further enhance his powers. Plo Koon probably sensed that Yoda was coming with an army and decided to let the Droids win the first round. Tell me Faunus, have you ever heard the phrase; "Choose your battles''? Plo Koon is much smarter than most people say and is underrated. It's all these NJO and KOTOR fanboys who pretty much ruin these threads, forums, and websites. Chicka da derkie-de-derk man.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Chicka da derkie-de-derk man.

Meaning???

Originally posted by General Makashi
Meaning??? (scoffs) Damned if I know.

Originally posted by Tangible God
(scoffs) Damned if I know.

Lol.

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
Attn: Faunus. . .stop trying to establish yourself as the best debater.

So far your only argument was that Plo Koon was disarmed. Watch AOTC again my friend. After Mace Windu announces that the Jedi won't surrender you can see Plo Koon activating a blue plasma thingy. Now keep in mind that this is only a theory not fact, though backed by some facts, According to SW.com Plo Koon is a very strong force user and the extra-sensory organs on his head further enhance his powers. Plo Koon probably sensed that Yoda was coming with an army and decided to let the Droids win the first round. Tell me Faunus, have you ever heard the phrase; "Choose your battles''? Plo Koon is much smarter than most people say and is underrated. It's all these NJO and KOTOR fanboys who pretty much ruin these threads, forums, and websites.

Attn: Watch yourself. I'd be more than happy to rip your argument apart.

First off, your comment about NJO and KOTOR fanboys is ridiculous and you should pretty much stow that. I voted for Corran Horn in this case and I abhor NJO. You assuming that everyone's decision to support Corran is somehow NJO fanboyism is unfounded and ridiculous on your part. Please, choose your battles. Now I don't like what you have to say, and I've turned my attention to your each and every word.

Second, here's the EU excerpt fro Star Wars.com about Plo Koon:

The Force runs strongly in Plo Koon's family; he was a descendent of a long line of Jedi. He shared a long history with fellow Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, and the two have fought beside each other in battle. Koon had hoped to see his friend join the Jedi Council, but Jinn's maverick views kept him from ascending to that position.
Plo Koon was a Kel Dor from the planet Dorin. His physiology was such that he wore protective goggles and his face-concealing antiox mask whenever in oxygen-rich environments. As a Dorin, Koon naturally possessed highly developed extrasensory organs that supplement his already formidable Jedi attributes.

Koon was more martial a Jedi than most. Kel Dor natives have a reputation for seeing moral issues in black and white, with clear distinctions between right and wrong. As such, Koon often took decisive action with little contemplation. This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.

From this, we can determine this much:

- Strong Force affinity (Characteristic of notable jedi)
- Heir to a jedi bloodline (Which makes no sense when you consider jedi are not really supposed to have offspring)
- Has extra sensory organs which aren't outlined.
- Is a martial jedi in comparison to PT era jedi.

How does this make Plo Koon neccessarily destroy Corran Horn? Well, a few things for Mister Horn"

- Sports a duel phase lightsaber
- Has exceptional Force aided abilities in deceiving perceptions of other beings (Sight, smell, etc.)
- Has experience both as a pilot and as a Corsec operative.
- Has fought a Vong commander to the death and won.
- Was one of the New Jedi Order's most promising recruits.
- Is also heir to a jedi bloodline (This one of Nejaa Halcyon)
- Has very limited TK ability.

Koon also fought in the Clone Wars and in the Stark Hyperspace War. But how does he fare against other lightsaber users? Do we have information on that? Is there anything to say that Koon will overcome Horn using his extra senses, despite the fact that Horn -specializes- in such sensory deceptions? Is Koon strong enough to defeat a Vong commander in battle? In short, do you have a damn thing to prove that Koon was on Horn's level, other than your "insight" into Koon's motives in AOTC and his little blue plasma beam? Anything?

If you're gonna barge in here and start slashing, you had better be holding a sword, not a toothpick.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Attn: Watch yourself. I'd be more than happy to rip your argument apart.

First off, your comment about NJO and KOTOR fanboys is ridiculous and you should pretty much stow that. I voted for Corran Horn in this case and I abhor NJO. You assuming that everyone's decision to support Corran is somehow NJO fanboyism is unfounded and ridiculous on your part. Please, choose your battles. Now I don't like what you have to say, and I've turned my attention to your each and every word.

Second, here's the EU excerpt fro Star Wars.com about Plo Koon:

The Force runs strongly in Plo Koon's family; he was a descendent of a long line of Jedi. He shared a long history with fellow Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, and the two have fought beside each other in battle. Koon had hoped to see his friend join the Jedi Council, but Jinn's maverick views kept him from ascending to that position.
Plo Koon was a Kel Dor from the planet Dorin. His physiology was such that he wore protective goggles and his face-concealing antiox mask whenever in oxygen-rich environments. As a Dorin, Koon naturally possessed highly developed extrasensory organs that supplement his already formidable Jedi attributes.

Koon was more martial a Jedi than most. Kel Dor natives have a reputation for seeing moral issues in black and white, with clear distinctions between right and wrong. As such, Koon often took decisive action with little contemplation. This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.

From this, we can determine this much:

- Strong Force affinity (Characteristic of notable jedi)
- Heir to a jedi bloodline (Which makes no sense when you consider jedi are not really supposed to have offspring)
- Has extra sensory organs which aren't outlined.
- Is a martial jedi in comparison to PT era jedi.

How does this make Plo Koon neccessarily destroy Corran Horn? Well, a few things for Mister Horn"

- Sports a duel phase lightsaber
- Has exceptional Force aided abilities in deceiving perceptions of other beings (Sight, smell, etc.)
- Has experience both as a pilot and as a Corsec operative.
- Has fought a Vong commander to the death and won.
- Was one of the New Jedi Order's most promising recruits.
- Is also heir to a jedi bloodline (This one of Nejaa Halcyon)
- Has very limited TK ability.

Koon also fought in the Clone Wars and in the Stark Hyperspace War. But how does he fare against other lightsaber users? Do we have information on that? Is there anything to say that Koon will overcome Horn using his extra senses, despite the fact that Horn -specializes- in such sensory deceptions? Is Koon strong enough to defeat a Vong commander in battle? In short, do you have a damn thing to prove that Koon was on Horn's level, other than your "insight" into Koon's motives in AOTC and his little blue plasma beam? Anything?

If you're gonna barge in here and start slashing, you had better be holding a sword, not a toothpick.

First off get an attitude adjustment. Second read little Faunus' posts again.

I wasn't calling him a fanboy, all I was saying is that his motives seem fanboyish seeing as how all he could come up with is; "Oh, Plo Koon got disarmed". Wrong he still had his lightsaber. I am sick and tired of everybody always saying "Oh I don't like this guy he gets pwnd3d!!!!!11111!!!!111! So Deus Ex maybe you should be equiped with the right weapon and try reading the other posts before telling me off for no reason.

Alrighty to an idiot that would mean, "Wait thats against the code his daddy can't be a Jedi"!!!!1111!1!!!1

Someone with intelect would most likely think that when SW.com says Koon's family as in cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.

In short back off, I didn't do nothing to you and I am not saying Koon would destroy Horn. I only say what I feel, which you my friend have been lucky enough nopt to expierence. . .hell someone has got to even out the field. . .

I pray for your soul Makashi.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
I pray for your soul Makashi.

No need to pray Simus I am a Reverend see, ReverendMakashi. Besides I am not scared of Deus Ex or any of his cronies, Ex just has to except that people won't bend to what he says at every turn and that he should watch his mouth and patience.

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
No need to pray Simus I am a Reverend see, ReverendMakashi. Besides I am not scared of Deus Ex or any of his cronies, Ex just has to except that people won't bend to what he says at every turn and that he should watch his mouth and patience.

You are flattering him by saying you aren't scared of him.
But don't worry, you don't have to convince everybody of your opinion.

Originally posted by overlord
You are flattering him by saying you aren't scared of him.
But don't worry, you don't have to convince everybody of your opinion.

How do I flatter him? I only say that his Ex's crude "bumrush posts" don't worry me at all. Secondly I am not trying to push my opinion like Faunus or Ex I am only debating, "evening out the playing field".

Well from saying you're not scared of him indicates you do see him as a threat, what isn't really necessary.
You should say you don't care about them, as they are just random members on a forum who are perhaps great at forcing an opinion on someone.

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
No need to pray Simus I am a Reverend see, ReverendMakashi. Besides I am not scared of Deus Ex or any of his cronies, Ex just has to except that people won't bend to what he says at every turn and that he should watch his mouth and patience.

I do think it is gay how some people are like "oh no! I don't want to be basehd by someone 5000 miles away who I will never see!"

You are complementing him by saying that you think people think you are afraid of him. Yes, afraid of Janus, whose can do nothing except insult you, why the hell would anyone be afraid? I have family members in different Mobs(not immediate family, second cousins and the works). Is anyone afraid of me? Nope, no reason to be.

Ok. I'm done ranting about how gay being afraid of people on the internet it.

Damn Glentract, you stole my point..

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I do think it is gay how some people are like "oh no! I don't want to be basehd by someone 5000 miles away who I will never see!"

You are complementing him by saying that you think people think you are afraid of him. Yes, afraid of Janus, whose can do nothing except insult you, why the hell would anyone be afraid? I have family members in different Mobs(not immediate family, second cousins and the works). Is anyone afraid of me? Nope, no reason to be.

Ok. I'm done ranting about how gay being afraid of people on the internet it.

Exactly. I have nothing to fear he poses no threat to me whatsoever. All he has are insults and "pics''. Yes my dignity and pride will really be hurt. . .(turn of sarcasm)

Would you please stop going on about that... And instead of trying to piss somebody else off start debating... It might be a good idea.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Glentract, you have yet to counter the disarming statement. He was obviously not as skilled as you claim if he was bested by droids, or Geonosians, for that matter.

And Corran Horn fighting through nearly a thousand Vong, even over a few years, is not impressive? Those same Vong warriors could likely take thousands and thousands of those same battle droids.

So what if he lacks a TK ability? If Plo Koon uses his 'omg furce lightnn tht wud crus all', it'd be absorbed, and then thrown right back at him in an energy attack. So basically, Corran will absorb all of Koon's attacks, and then proceed to tear him apart with his insane dueling abilities.

Lastly, I don't utterly hate Plo Koon. It's just that everyone seems to think he is so good when, in all actuality, he has little going for him. I'll go so far as to say that he improved through the Clone Wars, and possessed an impressive affinity for the Force, as well as a decent Djem So practioner. But against Corran Horn, who would just absorb his most lethal attacks, and then simply outduel him, he stands little chance.

Stop being ignorant, He can shoot lightning from his fingertips it says so in a published book, so accept it.

Originally posted by Deus Ex

(At least he survived the battle. There were thousands of droids. Jedi have been killed by droids on many occasions. It is not something to cause me to look down upon someone who was disarmed when outnumbered a thousand to one.)

Padme survived the battle despite being in the epicenter of blaster bolt hell. No droid disarmed her. Either way, this isn't a testament to his prowess in saber combat. Period.


(He didn't fight them at the same time. Even a PT Padawan could fight Vong three at a time over and over again and kill just as many over a five year period.)

A) Never said he fought them all at the same time. B) Where does it say PT era padawans can fend off Vong? If that was the case, why were they such a threat in combat? Is this more Glentract "IMO" or is this rooted in fact?


(When has Corran demonstrated the ability to asorb force lightning? He has asorbed heat survived extended periods of time that could kill a person and redirected that explosion]. I also don't remember Corran every asorbing a force push. Please give a reference.)

An explosion is primarily kinetic energy. What do you think Force push is? Charging something with enough kinetic energy to make it move. Lightning? Well, it's not force lightning in the case of Koon. If it was, it could be blocked with a saber or absorbed since Force lightning is more kinetic in nature than electric. But Koon's lightning was never mentioned to be so overwhelming he could defeat a seasoned foe. Period.


(Plo Koon was a Jedi Master on the Council. He was trained by a powerful Council Member. He lead the Stark Hyperspace War after Tyvokka(his master) was killed. Your underestimating him.)

And Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto and Sassee Tiin are Jedi masters on the Council. That means jack in the PT era.

He was trained by a powerful Council member? Does that make him powerful neccessarily? Why does Qui-Gon suck compared to Dooku?

And what was his role in the Stark Hyperspace War? Did it include doing something that makes him better than Coran Horn? It sure as hell didn't help him in the Clone Wars.

His force lightning would not kill his enemy but it would be enough to stun him or weaken him for a second, and that helps a lot.
Padme had skywalker protecting her. It would make no sense if she died. How would they film episode 3? And Plo Koon really was just another average jedi, he was not needed, but he survived..

Originally posted by Fishy
Would you please stop going on about that... And instead of trying to piss somebody else off start debating... It might be a good idea.

Your right Fishy I won't waste my time on him anymore. Koon's natural lightning ability is strong but is further enhanced by his force powers and even further enhanced by his extra-sensory organs. So it is pretty powerful lightning. . .

AA, why did you quote that. It doesn't look like you made any points, and this thread isn't moving fast enough so that people could reasonably miss that.

Dooku was never a council member. And Jin was not a horrible jedi.
If a sith like Maul kept doing roundhouse kicks, and jabbing an old man in the face with his lightsaber it's no doubt he was fatigued. I would be tired as hell also, if i was getting punched and kicked around.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
AA, why did you quote that. It doesn't look like you made any points, and this thread isn't moving fast enough so that people could reasonably miss that.

Listen this is between me and Ex. Let's just forget about it actually. . .

Stop bashing at each other just answer the thread.


Im not supporting Plo in this fight, but Plo Koon is not a youngling so treat him like other average jedi. We know Ki Adi has a big ass head and because of that he is better attuned to the force, the same could apply for Plo and his lightning ability.

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
Listen this is between me and Ex. Let's just forget about it actually. . .

What are you talking about? I'm just asking why did AA repost that.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Stop bashing at each other just answer the thread.


Im not supporting Plo in this fight, but Plo Koon is not a youngling so treat him like other average jedi. We know Ki Adi has a big ass head and because of that he is better attuned to the force, the same could apply for Plo and his lightning ability.

We weren't bashing each other. Were we? Plo Koon.

Oh my god! This thread is red hot!
Killer!!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What are you talking about? I'm just asking why did AA repost that.

Oops my bad. Peace Bretheren. I didn't see AA.

I thought you were telling me off or something. . .

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
I thought you were telling me off or something. . .

Unless you were a new guy who was acting all high and mighty, acting completly unreasonable, or you were bashing me, you don't really need to worry about me telling anyone off. Not my job to do that.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Unless you were a new guy who was acting all high and mighty, acting completly unreasonable, or you were bashing me, you don't really need to worry about me telling anyone off. Not my job to do that.

LOL. Yeah I thought you were using a computer typo phrase like, Lmfao, Imao, or Pwned3d

Makashi, where did -your- attitude come from? You attacked Faunus initially, and I defended him because you were out of line.

First off get an attitude adjustment. Second read little Faunus' posts again.

I did read it. ANd you have the attitude here. I'm reciprocating.


I wasn't calling him a fanboy, all I was saying is that his motives seem fanboyish seeing as how all he could come up with is; "Oh, Plo Koon got disarmed". Wrong he still had his lightsaber. I am sick and tired of everybody always saying "Oh I don't like this guy he gets pwnd3d!!!!!11111!!!!111! So Deus Ex maybe you should be equiped with the right weapon and try reading the other posts before telling me off for no reason.

So... you brought up NJO and KOTOR fanboys because it -didn't- relate to Faunus whom you attacked at the very beginning of the post? So your entire point was what? Self venting? Please... You need to get a grip. You didn't contribute to this thread, you just pissed off a few people for no good reason.


Alrighty to an idiot that would mean, "Wait thats against the code his daddy can't be a Jedi"!!!!1111!1!!!1

Is there a reason for this? Or are you just naturally insultive?


Someone with intelect would most likely think that when SW.com says Koon's family as in cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.

This doesn't even make sense. Maybe I don't have the "intelect" to read it, huh?


In short back off, I didn't do nothing to you and I am not saying Koon would destroy Horn. I only say what I feel, which you my friend have been lucky enough nopt to expierence. . .hell someone has got to even out the field. . .

Back off? You attacked someone without any real argument behind your words and he wasn't even here to defend himself. If you want to debate, feel free. You want to be a sarcastic prick, and then prove what? Koon had his saber? Please. Don't be ridiculous.

His force lightning would not kill his enemy but it would be enough to stun him or weaken him for a second, and that helps a lot.
Padme had skywalker protecting her. It would make no sense if she died. How would they film episode 3? And Plo Koon really was just another average jedi, he was not needed, but he survived..

Akbar, who are you to call Faunus ignorant? Koon's lightning -isn't- Force lightning.

And by stating that Plo Koon survived Geonosis, it's pointless because so did Padme, and Kit Fisto and C-3PO.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Someone with intelect would most likely think that when SW.com says Koon's family as in cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.

This doesn't even make sense. Maybe I don't have the "intelect" to read it, huh?

I want to stay neutral here, but what he is saying is that Plo Koon's uncle may have been a Jedi. His parents weren't necessarily Jedi.

I never said its force lighning and if i did I meant it in a weaker way. And I called him ignorant not out of disrespect, but that he cant accept that PLo might have something special that no other average jedi has.
All races are unique. For example I dont know if you read Dark Horse comics, but there was a guy in that book named Master Ven'nari who was a fire eater.

And Ki Adi has his cone head. And mace has his shatterpoint, jeeze it all makes sense cant you see?

In agreeance with AA on one point, my cousin(I know, I use him as a source a lot), said that he read in one book that each Jedi has a special talent. Mace's was Shtterpoint. Lightning may be Plo Koons. Corrans was asorbing energy.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Makashi, where did -your- attitude come from? You attacked Faunus initially, and I defended him because you were out of line.

First off get an attitude adjustment. Second read little Faunus' posts again.

I did read it. ANd you have the attitude here. I'm reciprocating.


I wasn't calling him a fanboy, all I was saying is that his motives seem fanboyish seeing as how all he could come up with is; "Oh, Plo Koon got disarmed". Wrong he still had his lightsaber. I am sick and tired of everybody always saying "Oh I don't like this guy he gets pwnd3d!!!!!11111!!!!111! So Deus Ex maybe you should be equiped with the right weapon and try reading the other posts before telling me off for no reason.

So... you brought up NJO and KOTOR fanboys because it -didn't- relate to Faunus whom you attacked at the very beginning of the post? So your entire point was what? Self venting? Please... You need to get a grip. You didn't contribute to this thread, you just pissed off a few people for no good reason.


Alrighty to an idiot that would mean, "Wait thats against the code his daddy can't be a Jedi"!!!!1111!1!!!1

Is there a reason for this? Or are you just naturally insultive?


Someone with intelect would most likely think that when SW.com says Koon's family as in cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.

This doesn't even make sense. Maybe I don't have the "intelect" to read it, huh?


In short back off, I didn't do nothing to you and I am not saying Koon would destroy Horn. I only say what I feel, which you my friend have been lucky enough nopt to expierence. . .hell someone has got to even out the field. . .

Back off? You attacked someone without any real argument behind your words and he wasn't even here to defend himself. If you want to debate, feel free. You want to be a sarcastic prick, and then prove what? Koon had his saber? Please. Don't be ridiculous.

First off, thank very much Deus Ex. You have given me an opportunity to report you to the mods. Secondly you come in here and say that I attack people. I didn't attack anybody. Your just to eager to fight is all. Me and Faunus are buddies. He helped me out when I started here at KMC. You truly are a blind man if you can't see friendly debate when you see it. Ahhh well, I have grown weary of your angry jests. Let's stop now.

I love it when Deus ex/Nemesis/lord darth Janus says "!!!!!!11!!11111"

Originally posted by Deus Ex

And by stating that Plo Koon survived Geonosis, it's pointless because so did Padme, and Kit Fisto and C-3PO.

Hurray for C3PO!! he's the man...

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
And Ki Adi has his cone head. And mace has his shatterpoint, jeeze it all makes sense cant you see?

First calling Faunus ignorant and now saying this.

Akbar, are you some intellectual supergiant professor of Star Warsology that I don't know about?

What's that? No?

Then please, stfu. Calling someone ignorant (Of something he already knows about especially) is ridiculous. And "can't you see" is pretty piss poor way of addressing me, but fine. Whatever. I can see that you and Makashi are apparently quick to sling words around when the debate doesn't go your way, but you can't refute anything I put forth. Like how can Koon's extrasensory abilities aid him when Horn specializes in such illusions and deceptions? What difference does it make if Koon's father, mother, kid or uncle was a jedi?

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
First off, thank very much Deus Ex. You have given me an opportunity to report you to the mods. Secondly you come in here and say that I attack people. I didn't attack anybody. Your just to eager to fight is all. Me and Faunus are buddies. He helped me out when I started here at KMC. You truly are a blind man if you can't see friendly debate when you see it. Ahhh well, I have grown weary of your angry jests. Let's stop now.

You're kidding me. There was something in my post worth reporting? Please.

You do that. You go right ahead.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
You're kidding me. There was something in my post worth reporting? Please.

You do that. You go right ahead.

I have already reported you. Besides last time I checked I didn't need permission from you. . .

Wow, what ever happened to intellectual discussion?

Originally posted by Illustrious
Wow, what ever happened to intellectual discussion?

I dunno. You see there was this rock. . .

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
I dunno. You see there was this rock. . .

Lemme guess: And you happened to be caught between it and a hard place, right?

Originally posted by Illustrious
Lemme guess: And you happened to be caught between it and a hard place, right?

No. It was an open battle over a misunderstanding. . .

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
As of AOTC, they weren't. But Aayla Secura was shown to make some impressive headway during the Clone Wars, displayed in the 'Republic' series.

Ki-Adi-Mundi stood up to General Grievous, the only one of his entire team who could. Now, he was defeated, but by the same being who had just crushed four Jedi. Might I remind you that among them was Secura herself, Council member Shaak Ti, and Master K'Kruhk, who gave Quinlan Vos a run for his money. Not to mention that Mundi was the prime target the entire duration of the duel.

Well, since you said Plo Koon looked like a uber noob being escorted to the survivers circle, then your implting the same for the others who were disarmed.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Well, since you said Plo Koon looked like a uber noob being escorted to the survivers circle, then your implting the same for the others who were disarmed.

Got a point, You do. . .

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
See the thing is, Yoda was disarmed by Darth Sidious, the second most powerful being of the era. Sidious was disarmed by Mace Windu, one of the greatest swordsman of his time and others. Plo Koon was disarmed by bloody droids. And if such a great practioner of Djem So can be disarmed by spindly battle droids, than he renders the form useless.

And Akbar, any NJO Jedi would waste Plo Koon. That's just how it is. Now, if this Horn as of 'I, Jedi' we have a fight. But as of the NJO, Koon is gone.

jesus, dude, In everyone of my post I mentioned that corran would win, but not nessasarily waste.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
zOMG! The almighty Geonosian drones! *gasp* It really doesn't matter whether his weapon was shot out of his hand, smacked away by a staff, or dropped when he tripped over a dead body. Fact is, he lost his weapon to bugs and droids, while Anakin and goddamn Padme could.

Anakin was captured by driods and so was padme! ZOMG! does that make them weak noobs. Obi wan was also captured! OMG!! he sucks also.

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
No need to pray Simus I am a Reverend see, ReverendMakashi. Besides I am not scared of Deus Ex or any of his cronies, Ex just has to except that people won't bend to what he says at every turn and that he should watch his mouth and patience. Scared of an internet "club member?"

Who would be?

Originally posted by Deus Ex
First calling Faunus ignorant and now saying this.

Akbar, are you some intellectual supergiant professor of Star Warsology that I don't know about?

What's that? No?

Then please, stfu. Calling someone ignorant (Of something he already knows about especially) is ridiculous. And "can't you see" is pretty piss poor way of addressing me, but fine. Whatever. I can see that you and Makashi are apparently quick to sling words around when the debate doesn't go your way, but you can't refute anything I put forth. Like how can Koon's extrasensory abilities aid him when Horn specializes in such illusions and deceptions? What difference does it make if Koon's father, mother, kid or uncle was a jedi?

now that is bashing, I never insulted you or Faunus in any way. Read my other post I said that i dident mean ignorant in a bad way. And most definetly was not addresing a rude comment to you by saying cant you see. U dont know what the hell im thinking when I type so dont start. Im not trying to be a mean guy Im just trying to debate so stop being rude.

And I was sided with Corran the entire fing debate.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
First calling Faunus ignorant and now saying this.

Akbar, are you some intellectual supergiant professor of Star Warsology that I don't know about?

What's that? No?

Then please, stfu. Calling someone ignorant (Of something he already knows about especially) is ridiculous. And "can't you see" is pretty piss poor way of addressing me, but fine. Whatever. I can see that you and Makashi are apparently quick to sling words around when the debate doesn't go your way, but you can't refute anything I put forth. Like how can Koon's extrasensory abilities aid him when Horn specializes in such illusions and deceptions? What difference does it make if Koon's father, mother, kid or uncle was a jedi?

Neglecting a jedi because everyone else thinks he sucks is not knowing everything about him. Your making such a big deal out of this. Debate about the Corran Horn vs Plo Koon thread, and leave me alone.

Also, I am not adressing this in a negative way, but recently you and Faunus have been acting like this unstoppable duet. If he made a bad point you would support it. Whats up?

Woah triple post Ackbar.

SHit, sorry.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Neglecting a jedi because everyone else thinks he sucks is not knowing everything about him. Your making such a big deal out of this. Debate about the Corran Horn vs Plo Koon thread, and leave me alone.

Also, I am not adressing this in a negative way, but recently you and Faunus have been acting like this unstoppable duet. If he made a bad point you would support it. Whats up?

Thats telling em'

Originally posted by ReverendMakashi
Thats telling em'

Im not tellin em anything. That is simply what I have noticed thats all. Again I dont want to make a big deal about it.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Im not tellin em anything. That is simply what I have noticed thats all. Again I dont want to make a big deal about it.

Ahhh well. . .

Yeah, I just hate when people read what I write and tell me how I adressed that post, that It SEEMED rude, but I think I know more than they do about my specific post.
Unless I rush through it and make mistakes I dont realize, but that rarely happens.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yeah, I just hate when people read what I write and tell me how I adressed that post, that It SEEMED rude, but I think I know more than they do about my specific post.
Unless I rush through it and make mistakes I dont realize, but that rarely happens.

Yeah Deus Ex saw my post and without any thought bumrushed me. For the record I wasn't attacking Faunus. Faunus and Ex will know when I am attacking them. . .

guys stop arguing. we are all friends and now we are insulting and reporting and bashing and teaming up and whatever else so just stop this now you are acting like 10 year olds. this is just dumb this pointless argument.

Im done. Lets discuss why Corran or why PLo win..

The last thing I want to do is ruin a friendship

thank you very much

Really sorry to bring a Plo Koon thread back up, but there one thing I need to say on this. Don't bash me for this if you don't want the thread up at the top again, just ignore it.

First, Plo Koon was never disarmed on Geonosis. He goes to that circle thing unarmed, but it you watch when Anakin the Jedi begin fighting again, he is standing behind either Anakin or Obi-wan and his is reigniting his blade. Just felt the need dispell that.

corran owns.

Koon has too much in his arsenal. Horn just has the hype that too many jedi in the NJO have.

Koon will use his tk to throw lots of stuff at Corran, hit him with lightining with one hand and charge with better lightsaber form in the other. Corran will try to do a force push only to remember he can't. End of story.

yea jedi in the njo own.

Corran wastes koon with his horn.

Plo has this one in the bag.

im still going with corran.

plo would beat him quite easily, plo was on the council for a long time, he would thrash corran, sides plo was shot down in afighter :P so was never beaten while he has his saber

hmm plo was a eztarget. he didnt even do any flips or maneuvers. he just went down :s we have no proof of him killing any sith and corran killed shedao shai . a strong yuuzan vong

eehh ? plo never killed any sith. he might of been a jedi master but back then there weren't any threats lol cept maul,dooku,grievous,jango and rots vader... no one else. koon never did anything. corran did lots. they made a book about corran right there u know he is more important.

corran is a jedi master also. and sorry for triple posting.

corran zero-shots
= koon dies just by his presence