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Please, if any of you have submitted your work to www.poetry.com, DO NOT send them any money!! They are nothing but a sham, I submitted some pieces a while back and I still have all of the correspondence regarding the poem that they were going to publish, but I refused to send the extortionate amounts of money they asked for and I didn't go to the 'conventions' or 'award ceremonies' as they were in the US and I'm in the UK... and I'm glad I didn't!

http://windpub.com/literary.scams/ilp.htm

Check out the link and read through, it's absolutely disgusting and I would really hate for any of you to be taken in by their lies. Luckily I wasn't entirely tricked, although I felt extremely let down when I realised my work was never going to be published

My apologies to you Syren, as you've got some wonderful pieces. But whenever a publishing house or a website asks money for them to publish your work, then by all means question that policy. Reputable companies pay you for the rights to your works not the other way around.

If you truly want to publish your work, you've got to do it the old fashion way...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! But you gotta love "My Cat has Fleas"

Thanks Nun

No Problem...it's a shame really for any aspiring poets to be had like that.

wow.... glad i was too lazy to submit some... haha... was told to by a friend. hmm, my thanks and gratitude to you, Lady Sy.

you should try zoetrope.com...

That's a good idea, Fea... post some valid links to poetry competitions

Okay...here's the site www.zoetrope.com/about.cgi. It's not just a site for poetry. It has everything from shorts to scripts (which i've already submitted ) to photography.

thing is....once registered, you can submit one work...but to submit more you have to review 5 or more other's work, kinda time consuming, but eh. hope the link works

Isn't that Coppola's site?

hmm, well both me and my sister submitted a poem to the poetry.com and we did pay the money to get the book and our poems our in their books.. but yeah I trust that poetry.com is just wanting peoples money.. but the book that mine is published in is called A Surrender To The Moon The International Library of Poetry. Howard Ely is the Editor. My sister's poem was published in Invoking The Muse, The International Library of Poetry.

Thanks Julian for the link

Originally posted by NunYahBidness
Isn't that Coppola's site? as a matter of fact it is...Originally posted by CrazyInLove
hmm, well both me and my sister submitted a poem to the poetry.com and we did pay the money to get the book and our poems our in their books.. but yeah I trust that poetry.com is just wanting peoples money.. but the book that mine is published in is called A Surrender To The Moon The International Library of Poetry. Howard Ely is the Editor. My sister's poem was published in Invoking The Muse, The International Library of Poetry.

Thanks Julian for the link no prob


but i may've posted that link when I was logged on, so it might not work

www.zoetrope.com here's the main page

Originally posted by CrazyInLove
hmm, well both me and my sister submitted a poem to the poetry.com and we did pay the money to get the book and our poems our in their books.. but yeah I trust that poetry.com is just wanting peoples money.. but the book that mine is published in is called A Surrender To The Moon The International Library of Poetry. Howard Ely is the Editor. My sister's poem was published in Invoking The Muse, The International Library of Poetry.

Thanks Julian for the link

Have you received the books yet? Have you seen the books being sold in any bookstores? Mine is supposed to be in a book called 'Eternal Dreams, The International Library of Poetry' and although we didn't buy any of the books for ourselves, I still haven't had a glimpse of this book anywhere

Originally posted by Syren
Have you received the books yet? Have you seen the books being sold in any bookstores? Mine is supposed to be in a book called 'Eternal Dreams, The International Library of Poetry' and although we didn't buy any of the books for ourselves, I still haven't had a glimpse of this book anywhere

Yes, I am actually looking at the books right now. I just searched amazon.com and they sell the International books of poetry on there, but there was too many pages to look at so I didn't see if they had the books that I have on there.. it's probably nothing but a hoax, but there are some good poems in the books.

I'm glad they're actually selling real books, but I have yet to see any proof that anyone I know has had their work published as promised

The book with my poem is called Eternal Portraits, soz

http://poetry.com/Publications/search.asp

BUT, if you click this link, put the name Kerry Barker in the search and then choose any of the following poems {all mine};

A Gentle Warning
Just a Phase
Perception
Reflections
Til Death Do Us Part
Truth
Unity
Vampyr
Vanity
When You Crack

...and then go to the bottom of the page to order the book, it tells you that each poem is in Eternal Portraits, even though I was told the book would only feature 'Just A Phase'... is this not odd to you?

Originally posted by Syren
The book with my poem is called Eternal Portraits, soz

http://poetry.com/Publications/search.asp

BUT, if you click this link, put the name Kerry Barker in the search and then choose any of the following poems {all mine};

A Gentle Warning
Just a Phase
Perception
Reflections
Til Death Do Us Part
Truth
Unity
Vampyr
Vanity
When You Crack

...and then go to the bottom of the page to order the book, it tells you that each poem is in Eternal Portraits, even though I was told the book would only feature 'Just A Phase'... is this not odd to you?

yeah it is odd.

Originally posted by Syren
The book with my poem is called Eternal Portraits, soz

http://poetry.com/Publications/search.asp

BUT, if you click this link, put the name Kerry Barker in the search and then choose any of the following poems {all mine};

A Gentle Warning
Just a Phase
Perception
Reflections
Til Death Do Us Part
Truth
Unity
Vampyr
Vanity
When You Crack

...and then go to the bottom of the page to order the book, it tells you that each poem is in Eternal Portraits, even though I was told the book would only feature 'Just A Phase'... is this not odd to you?
very odd....

i had a company contact me on dA... xlibris I think it was... and they wanted to send me a self-publishing kit... but that means giving out personal information... so I was like uhhhhhh

If it was deviant Art themselves who contacted you I would say it was kosher, but if it was a company on dA, then it's probably a good thing you didn't

And I'm now sure that poetry.com is a hoax with regard to the amounts of money people are asked for, and the books, because of the above post. It's evidence enough for me.

Originally posted by Coldfire
very odd....

i had a company contact me on dA... xlibris I think it was... and they wanted to send me a self-publishing kit... but that means giving out personal information... so I was like uhhhhhh

deviantART actually just said in one of their community update bulletins to be cautious of such things like that. I haven't been asked anything like that, but I do well enough selling my prints through dA that I wouldn't bother with it anyway.

Anyway, I submitted stuff to poetry.com a while back, to check them out for Trickster who was unsure as to whether they're real or not, and I keep getting emails asking to buy this book with my poem in it (and I submitted a crap poem so I know it's not real ) and to go to this awards ceremony....yeah, it's BS.

And, uh, Coldfire....your signature is killing the page....

Is that why my screen has gone whacko!!!!

As I've said before, if you have to pay someone in order for you pieces to be printed and published, then I find that very wrong. It just goes against the firmly held belief that your work, any work is something that someone or whatever company/organisation is willing to shell out for acquiring said artist's creative endeavour.

That be like telling Warhol (not to my liking) he has to pay a gallery to have his work shown!!! Or asking Hemingway to pay to have his story The Old Man and the Sea published. BAH!

Originally posted by NunYahBidness
Is that why my screen has gone whacko!!!!

As I've said before, if you have to pay someone in order for you pieces to be printed and published, then I find that very wrong. It just goes against the firmly held belief that your work, any work is something that someone or whatever company/organisation is willing to shell out for acquiring said artist's creative endeavour.

That be like telling Warhol (not to my liking) he has to pay a gallery to have his work shown!!! Or asking Hemingway to pay to have his story The Old Man and the Sea published. BAH!

Yup, it's crap.

I've never had any interested in getting any of my poetry or other writings published or sold, but I have been selling prints of my artwork for some time through deviantART. Haven't had too terribly much success yet, but then again I'm still fairly unknown on there, though as of late I've had people asking to submit pieces of mine to be printed because they've wanted to buy them, and I see my stuff popping up on wishlists more and more.

Besides, don't people realize that the term 'starving artist' is very true?

....man, I'd KILL to get some of my stuff shown in a gallery....

Originally posted by Lana
Yup, it's crap.

I've never had any interested in getting any of my poetry or other writings published or sold, but I have been selling prints of my artwork for some time through deviantART. Haven't had too terribly much success yet, but then again I'm still fairly unknown on there, though as of late I've had people asking to submit pieces of mine to be printed because they've wanted to buy them, and I see my stuff popping up on wishlists more and more.

Besides, don't people realize that the term 'starving artist' is very true?

....man, I'd KILL to get some of my stuff shown in a gallery.... Hmm...Really? Post me your link as I'd like to see your work. I've a friend who's very much into such things even if his confidence is not on the same level as his abilities!!

I'll PM it to you

Again, thank you! NOT. A. WORD!!

Lips are sealed

Yup, this is one of the oldest tricks in the book, carried on in the days before the net, for the last 50 years or more.

Golden rule of any form of publication is- publishers pay authors, NEVER the other way around, regardless of how tempting it sounds.

Thanks for all the additional comments guys, it's great to be able to confirm these kinds of things for aspiring poets... I'd hate for anyone to get sucked in by the lies. It's really sad

Unfortunately for every 1 that learn the hard way when it comes to these shams, there are 10 new ones to fall for that trap!

So, beware poets! There are so many obstacles...

I'm sorry to say but I would have to disagree with all of you about Poetry.com. My husband submitted a poem "Dear Drunk Driver" not only did he win a contest but if you look on the very first page of "A surrender to the Moon" you will find his poem, and the only money we paid was for the purchase of the book itself.

Dear Drunk Driver
Dedicated to Suzanne Murphy, killed by a drunk driver on 03/27/04.

Dear drunk driver, this message is for you,
What were you thinking, what did you do?
You started to drive home drunk,
Why couldn't you give up your keys and not be a punk?
Who do you think had to clean up your mistake?
How many more lives do drunk drivers have to take?
The tears I've seen the people cry
Or the lines where the dead bodies once lied.
The nights I can't sleep because of the images you create,
You wonder why in my heart there is so much hate,
Granted when I get there the mess is almost cleared away,
But I have ears and can hear what the people say.
How you decided to drive home drunk,
But like the others you just walked away.
It's the people you hit that get placed in their grave.
You're not the only one who lives with the grief,
I bet you can't count the hearts you've hurt, you thief.
You stole their lives just to have some fun,
But in the end no one has won!

James Edward Allen

i actually got an emailer from poetry.com about a contest and the grand prize is $10,000. SWEEEET!!!!

Do you have the book? If so, then I am glad to hear that poetry.com is in fact sending out publications. The real problem is that people are paying extortionate amounts of money for awards ceremonies, trophies, buying the books in bulk etc. And these are the people who are being let down.

This thread is not based on opinion, it's fact.

i'm not actually going to enter it as i have my reservations. but honestly though i'm thinking of printing all of my stuff (over 200) and submitting to a publishing house just to see what kind of reaction i get out of it!!! y'know, maybe it'll be published....now wouldn't that be grand!!!!

any advice!

Go for it Fea, just remember that if your work is worth publishing, they will pay you. And I'd buy a copy of your book if you ever became famous

Oh most definately i will....just don't know how to go about is all, getting it published that is!

but you wouldn't have to buy it Sy!!! I'll send ya an autographed copy if it came to that!

That would be wonderful cry

I suggest you open a thread asking for advice on how to get your work published, someone's bound to know.

Try contacting some publishing houses, send them samples of your work or copies of your manuscript....I really don't know, in fact

Good ideas nonetheless, Lana...

according to this idiot's guide i purchased, it also states it is a good idea to get an agent

that way the author cannot be taken advantage of, even by legitimate houses....this i did not know!

Yeah, an agent and an attorney are always good things to have, that way they can't try and screw you over.....

Always have protection

eyes

LMAO!!!!

good one!

Originally posted by Coldfire
and me too??

and i'll send yah a special one!

not so fast! i've got to get it published first, if that happens

Originally posted by Coldfire
lol well of course wisen hiemer(sp)! glare

HA! gotcha!

Okay you two need to stop!!!!! One thread maybe, two threads, mmmm...i'll let it slide! But THREE!!!!!! You both act like a couple of loons in friggin' love or something!!!! AAAAAGH!!!!

Originally posted by NunYahBidness
Okay you two need to stop!!!!! One thread maybe, two threads, mmmm...i'll let it slide! But THREE!!!!!! You both act like a couple of loons in friggin' love or something!!!! AAAAAGH!!!!
hysterical

Originally posted by NunYahBidness
Okay you two need to stop!!!!! One thread maybe, two threads, mmmm...i'll let it slide! But THREE!!!!!! You both act like a couple of loons in friggin' love or something!!!! AAAAAGH!!!! ah. ha. ha. ha....ah. ha. ha. ha. Originally posted by NunYahBidness
Oh FFS!!!!! I've only been telling you this for weeks to do it you maroon!!!! Someone with so much talen, you really have no confidence do you! ALL RIGHT!!!! i got the picture already! sheesh!!!!Originally posted by Coldfire
hysterical funny is it?

Hilarious, obviously... and you do, some kind of married couple.

yeah...i'd like to know why that is? cause i'm confused as to why NOW and not before dontgetit

ohwait...you just said that! nevermind...

i know...it's not like we've acted any different than...uh, um

we're not acting any different i don't think? dontgetit

Originally posted by Coldfire
The same as always, minus a few smilies and pet names.... oh really?

oh so then we better not start that again, eh? naughty

you mean we never finished it?? i'm confused!

Schnookums... you forgot to call each other schnookums nono

Originally posted by Syren
Schnookums... you forgot to call each other schnookums nono i refuse to play the game on the grounds it might incriminate me in a court of law...in accordance to article 12 section G4 paragraph 3C yada yada yada!

but some arm twisting and chocolates i may reconsider!

Originally posted by Coldfire
lol

Or someone tying you to a chair and tickling you with a blue feather??

...............

well that might work!

riiiiiiight!

and i'll just sit there and do....nothing??? i should think NOT! harr dee harr harr!!!

Originally posted by Coldfire
awww dammit no fair.... you're bigger than I am... I think I'm gonna need some help tying you down then hahaha!!!

what makes yah think i'll....resist? (notice the use of no smilies here so as to not give others more than they need to think of) <--wow! that was a bit long.

wha? seriously i don't recall ever being embarrassed...*thinks*

ohwait!!! nevermiiiiiiiind!

Originally posted by Syren
Schnookums... you forgot to call each other schnookums nono They may as well start saying "I love you my poopoo bear....howzabout a huggle wuggle??" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Ouch! I almost felt my food go back up!!

Really you two...if you must (and I really wish you didn't) CAN YOU KEEPT IT TO ONE THREAD!!!!

Originally posted by Coldfire
awww dammit no fair.... you're bigger than I am... I think I'm gonna need some help tying you down then

*falls off chair in eagerness to volunteer*

I'm in!!

Originally posted by NunYahBidness
They may as well start saying "I love you my poopoo bear....howzabout a huggle wuggle??" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Ouch! I almost felt my food go back up!!

Really you two...if you must (and I really wish you didn't) CAN YOU KEEPT IT TO ONE THREAD!!!!

You're just jealous, sweetie-doll-baby-honey eyes

Originally posted by Syren
*falls off chair in eagerness to volunteer*

I'm in!! perv oh maaaaaan...my ticker's about to give!

I thought you said 'pecker'...

wha? i......was thinking it!!!

shrug

hysterical2

Originally posted by Syren
hysterical2 mhm

cry...................flowers

schmoll

serenade

Originally posted by Syren
hysterical2


sheesh you two

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What the hell is this??? First Cold, now Sy??? Dude, you got yourself a woman already....leave these one's alone ffs!!!!

Nun, sweetie... I gotta have some company when you're gone eyes

Once I sent my poem to them, and 2 weeks later I got a letter saying that I won a trophy and they were going to send it to me and I never got it.

And they told me I should send $50.00 so I could get a book of poems and so I could meet and tell George W. Bush my poem

Originally posted by Syren
Nun, sweetie... I gotta have some company when you're gone eyes hopefully i pass expectations!!

Originally posted by danagrint
Once I sent my poem to them, and 2 weeks later I got a letter saying that I won a trophy and they were going to send it to me and I never got it.

And they told me I should send $50.00 so I could get a book of poems and so I could meet and tell George W. Bush my poem

Did you send the money? I hope you didn't, and I'm sorry you were deceived.

Originally posted by Coldfire
hahaha I sooooo am not gonna say anything about that

He had to have somebody else while my computer was bein fixed after all haha you know...i get the feeling that you don't like me

Originally posted by Coldfire
Wha?? How do you get that impression??! Of course I like you *rereads posts*Originally posted by Coldfire
hahaha I sooooo am not gonna say anything about that

He had to have somebody else while my computer was bein fixed after all haha

Originally posted by Coldfire
I was just buggin ya.... i know....and i like messin' with yah too...

Originally posted by Coldfire
gah you always do that too.... damn you hahahaha!! thought you knew me by now...

Originally posted by Coldfire
As you would say: Shut it! as you would say: now you know you can't make me!

Originally posted by Coldfire
dammit But maybe I CAN make you oh right...you and what, what?

Originally posted by Coldfire
Don't make me come over there Julian hehehe...i could take that one of two ways amber...

Originally posted by Coldfire
Yeah, I'm sure you would hey you said it...not me

oh right! my bad......not!

Originally posted by Syren
Did you send the money? I hope you didn't, and I'm sorry you were deceived.

I didn't

Originally posted by Coldfire
You're such a dork but you gotta love it though

Originally posted by Coldfire
lol yeah I guess so you guess? well i'm hurt! schmoll

Originally posted by Coldfire
Awww I'm sorry if I deflated your over large ego hug

hahahahahaha!!!

you said "large"

Originally posted by Coldfire
*falls off chair*

omg I should have known you'd say that hysterical could i have done any less?

I don't know guys, i sent in a poem and im in two books. i actually have one of them. (a surrender to the moon) So is it real or not?

Originally posted by Coldfire
You're a guy; of course not oh hey cool....at least you remembered that much about me, yeah?

Originally posted by Coldfire
I remember a lot about you lol eek oh yeah, that's right.....

bag no need to let the smilie out the bag, m'kay?

for now??!?? how about...for never

Originally posted by Coldfire
We'll see, we'll see..... heh heh heh heh heh oh crap eek

Originally posted by Coldfire
You know it oh you wouldn't dare!! shock

nyaaaaaaah!!! fear

Originally posted by Coldfire
heh heh heh heh oh stop!

somehow... i had a feeling you were gonna say that

Originally posted by Coldfire
Well then why did you bother saying that? i dunno... i had nothing esle to say?

I (the fool that I am) have had a couple of poems published on the site , and I (the fool that I am) DID buy a book (or two maybe), but yeah, they were in there...along with some other good ones...but definitely some very crappy ones were in there too. Thanks for giving me the headsup before I post anymore on there.

Originally posted by Coldfire
lol you should have thought of something else then i'm sorry... but i wasn't feeling witty at that moment.Originally posted by Barbeau
I (the fool that I am) have had a couple of poems published on the site , and I (the fool that I am) DID buy a book (or two maybe), but yeah, they were in there...along with some other good ones...but definitely some very crappy ones were in there too. Thanks for giving me the headsup before I post anymore on there. dude! i feel for yah, maaaan! post your stuff here... we promise to be nice, ya know.