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Well?

Be honest that would be very interesting, but I'm not sure.

ok. Harry isn't a Horcrux, not even his scar for crying out loud. ok, just had to get that off my chest.

If Harry or his scar is a Horcrux, why did the Dark Lord try to kill him so many times? And why would he put a Horcrux in him, when he is so close to Dumbledore?

if harry is a horcrux then the dark lord wud hav to kill him in order to restore his soul so tht he can live agen...maybe thts wot the prophecy meant by 'one cannot live while the other survives'

No, it said "Neither can live while the other survives." It has a blatantly obvious meaning.

Harry. A horcrux? No. It seem too far fetched, even for the Potter series.

one wuld have to die

it doesnt seem like voldie would put part of his soul so then he could just destroy it.

I have to agree. I most certainly wouldn't want a bit of my soul in someone who may or may not be prophecised to destroy me. And it's hard to see how it would work. Voldermort was barely able to control Harry for a short time at the end of book five, it's hard to see how a bit of his soul could last in there for years.

And besides isn't that how Voldermort was stopped the first time? He tried to kill Harry with magic and it all went wrong and nearly led to his undoing? Seems odd that if he was trying to put a bit of his soul in Harry he would try to kill him as a baby, then when he returned in book four and then again in book five.

im not sure

Perhaps the stolen Horcrux was surfgically implanted into Harry at birth... and it was that that stopped Voldemort's spell, rather than his mothers love....

still doesn't explain why he had tried to kill him all of these years...

voldermort is weak enuf why wuld he make it worse for himself

NO because if we take the spoiler last line

Hermione: Harry! Where's your scar?

Harry is still alive at the end of the seventh novel which means that Voldemort still dies without the use of Harry, meaning that he can't be a horocrux. Plus, why wouldnt Voldemort try to protect or turn Harry to the "Dark Side" (psh, listen to me) instead of trying to kill him after all their encounters. So again....


NO!

Who said that the last line is "Harry where is your scar?"? Rowling said that the last chapter would tell what everyone does after 'the end'. You know, what they go on to do and what careers they have and whatnot. I doubt that that would be the last line.

Ok I'll re-phrase, the last line of the actual story of how Voldemort died. The last actual "chapter" isn't really part of the story. We need to remember that this is all speculation. Let's not get carried away like Episode III.

haha.. Harry Potter series, the next Star Wars? Lucas have to make an Episode VII then, to rival Rowling's 7 books and 7 movies (soon)..Hehe..dun get me wrong, i'm a staunch fan of both Star Wars and Harry Potter.

"Neither can live while the other survives", or so the prophecy states. But its rather misleading isn't it? The line by itself can also mean that both can die in the course isn't it?

The Prophecy states that:
Harry live, Voldemort dies - POSSIBLE
Harry dies, Voldemort lives - POSSIBLE
Both live - NOT POSSIBLE
Both die - POSSIBLE

Although it must be a wee bit metaphorical. After all both of them are technically alive at the end of book and in book five and book six and Harry had been alive for a while before Voldermort tried to kill him as a baby... and theoretically if one or the other managed to hide for 50 years then they would both still be alive...

Though I have always thought it is certainly possible that Harry could die. After all it doesn't say one HAS to live, more like the only chance one has to live is for the other to die.

True..

What? Okay, you all are confusing me. But my opinion is yes, Harry could be a HORCRUX. But in the end of the book when Harry says that he doesn't want to go to school... maybe he doesn't come back... Hogwarts isn't safe anymore... so that could lead up to finding out who he really is. Oh, how I wish Harry didn't grow up so fast!!! You know, J.K. needs to make more books that realate to Harry Potter. I know she won't. But I only wish.

It would be interesting to know how a Horcrux is made, beyond the need to have killed someone. Does it involve a long or short ritual before or after the murder? Spells? Special objects (other then the item to be the horcrux)? Because if it was very complicated it seems unlikely that Voldermort would have had the time to do it to Harry after killing his parents as when he attacked Harry he was defeated in a way...

Unless of course it wasn't a death spell that backfired one him, maybe Harry's protection messed up the Horcrux ritual and led to Voldermorts near demise, though thats pretty out there...

The only point at which Voldemort could have made Harry one is at the end of Goblet of Fire.

It would be a stupid thing to do, unless Voldermort's plans have changed, which seem unlikely seeing as how he was going to kill Harry in Order of the Phoenix.

I agree with Ushman...yeah...

but if harrys a horcrux then that wud be the reason y voldemort wants to kill him...to get his soul back.
and the words in the prophecy r very specific "neither can live while the other survives" y use the word survives instead of live????
this could suggest that both of them could live as long as their existence is equal, meaning that voldemort would have to get all of his soul back because without it hes only "surviving" rather than "living"......

Why would be put his soul in Harry just to get it back? That's silly.

Yes, that's the whole point of the horcrux scheme, that the soul is meant to be split. And doesn't destroying the horcrux (like riddles diary) destroy the soul piece, of send it where ever? I don't thing Voldermort gets the pieces back, so killing Harry, if he were one, seems dangerous.

Yeah if Harry's Voldemort's horcrux he would be safeguarding him, not kill him. Unless of cos the threat of Harry killing him makes voldemort overlook a part of his soul. But then it begs the question, why make harry his horcrux at the first place? it does not seem to make sense. His real 'importance' only came after Trelawney's first Prophecy. Before the knowledge of the prophecy got out, he was any normal kid rite..

why would voldemort put a part of his soul into someone thats prophecized to kill him, so he then in turn has to kill him

no point in that

Originally posted by babysooner13
What? Okay, you all are confusing me. But my opinion is yes, Harry could be a HORCRUX. But in the end of the book when Harry says that he doesn't want to go to school... maybe he doesn't come back... Hogwarts isn't safe anymore... so that could lead up to finding out who he really is. Oh, how I wish Harry didn't grow up so fast!!! You know, J.K. needs to make more books that realate to Harry Potter. I know she won't. But I only wish.
Yes, I can really see Voldemort putting part of his soul in Harry when his purpose is to kill Harry anyways.

end_sarcasm

No.

I've been reading and some of you talk about the prophecy and about Voldermort as he know all of it.

Remember that voldermont didn't hear that whole prophecie, he heard part of it, that's why he sent death eaters to the ministry, and why he planted the memory of Mr. Weasley so Harry could get the prophecy then the death eaters would steal it from him, so he could hear it.

He only heard the part that says:

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches....Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies."


He didn't hear the rest of it:

"And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord know not....and wither must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survivies....The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies

did Lily and James 'thrice defy him'?

yes they did..dumbledore said that to harry..so did neville's parents..defied He Who Must Not Be Named on three accounts.. But the point is, Harry cannot be the Horcrux..does not seem to make any sense. No time for that to happen anyways.

ok, listen
if you guys haven't noticed this yet then I'll point it out to you
"Nothing is impossible in a Harry Potter book"
if JK wants the last Horcux to be an underware, then she can do it.
it could be basicly anything right now!!!

Hear, hear!

That's not the point- eithee this debate is going to be carried on along rational lines or it is not. Yes, it could be anything, but if we are debating what it miught reasonably be, we do that on rational grounds. And with what we have, the idea that it is Harry fails to be rational.

Unless Voldemort unintentionally did it in his attempt to kill Harry the first time, I do not see how Harry could have his own soul snuggling in with a seventh of Voldemort's without Dumbledore identifying it quickly.

Also, wouldn't killing Harry mean destroying that piece of Voldemort's soul?

Harry being a horcrux makes perfect sense... Ok if harry kills voldie then he is still alive cuz he is part of harry. If vldie kills harry he loses part of his soul( which he wouldn't care about) then the one who could kill him is dead and he will live again

(sarcasm)Oh yeah, I'm sure Voldemort wouldn't mind losing a seventh of his soul...(/sarcasm)

Am I the only person who got the impression that Voldermort made his set of horcruxs some time ago, as in before he had a go at getting rid of Harry the first time? After all he began planning while still in school, and not long after had the beginnings of the set, his diary, the ring, the amulet, the cup and all that. Why would he have waited so long to make another when he was so eager to make seven and achieve his immortality and get all that power? And he didn't know about Harry when he began making them, so I don't see how he could of factored Harry in.

That's the impression I got, and I just thought it would be odd for him to wait so long to make that horcrux.

erm if harry was a horcrux do you think he would know? and how would voldemort have been able to put a horcruxe in harry if he tried to kill him? but yer it would make a bit of sense, but i don't know...

Originally posted by Saratn
ok. Harry isn't a Horcrux, not even his scar for crying out loud. ok, just had to get that off my chest.

If Harry or his scar is a Horcrux, why did the Dark Lord try to kill him so many times? And why would he put a Horcrux in him, when he is so close to Dumbledore?

In a mugglecast episode they talked about how voldemort might of made harry a horcrux unknowingly

Originally posted by Fwiw187
Harry being a horcrux makes perfect sense... Ok if harry kills voldie then he is still alive cuz he is part of harry. If vldie kills harry he loses part of his soul( which he wouldn't care about) then the one who could kill him is dead and he will live again

Why are so many people spouting this claptrap as if it ws some sort of intelligent and insightful view? The whole concept ois logically flawed.

As I say, the only chance Voldemort had to do this was at the end of GoF.

Why did this debate begin on the 20th?

It may seem unlikely, but the author is certain to attempt some kind of a shocking twist.

okay this whole concept doesn't any sense at all. harry can't be a horcrux cause the dark lord went to his parents house meaning to kill him. he wouldn't have been able to make harry a horcux in sny of that time period much less later.

dont forget about what dumbledore thought.... dident he make a horcrux out of the 4 comon rooms, made from an object that was once, hufflepuffs, ravan claw, slithering "the ring", and griffindor, and the fifth was tom riddles book....

so how is harry one???

harry is the hero of the story line.. and the hero survives.... its simple, if harry is a horcrux then that means he will have to die in order to kill the dark lord... but that would be defeating the storyline... am i right... yall are thinking too hard on the subject.

this school hour is over see u tomarow....

id rather harry die... i love it wen the heros die

why does everyone want harry to die?!

I don't want to see Harry die... It just doesn't seem like that path the books would take. If they do, then I suppose I'll just accept it and move on...

i don't think harry is or was a horcruz but i think ddor was one in the end (i'm talking about the ring business. he only says that ring is no longer a horcrux but he (dumbledore)never said that he got rid of it)

well u have a point

well if harry dies that would like make the book series a complet failer... and JK would not sell as many books.. it would ruen the whole series..

o yeah while im here does any one know what the 7th books name is

??????!!!!

The only way harry can be a horcrux is for the horcrux to happen accidentally. You know like voldermort wanted to kill harry. he killed his parents instead and harry become a horcrux. otherwise... harry cant be a horcrux since voldermot wanted to kill harry in the begining. He didnt want to kill his parents just him. this means that it would have been useless to want to make harry a horcrux with the intent to kill him there and then. harry's relationship to voldermort is nothing but the scar. the snake as it says in the last book aint knowing that its a horcrux so the relationship cant be linked to the horcrux in any way. well thats all folks

it is Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince,
all of the ideas are pretty good too...

please ignore that last post i had made. i wasn't paying attention...

Voldemort had no time to do this :P And it would make no sense.

Ok at this poin everything is possible. What if when voldi tried to kill Harry as a baby he transfer one of his Horcrux to Harry unintentinally? And maybe that is another reason that Harry did not die as a baby. I think that because of the profecy that this theory does make some sense.

they say in the book it is varry hard to split a soul.... there is alomost no way voldi did it unantntionaly,, there is no way he did it at all

For the last time, HARRY CANNOT BE A HORCRUX! And anyway your question doesn't make sense. How he have unintentinally make Harry a horcrux?

I'm sure we all know this already but the horcrux locket is in the Black House. J.K gave us a very good hint about it in the 5th book.
Here's an excerpt:
There was a musical box that emitted a faintly sinister, tinkling tune when would that they all found themselves becoming curiously weak and sleepy until Ginny had the sense to slam the lid shut; also a heavy locket that none of them could open, a number of ancient seals and, in a dusty box, an Order of Merlin, First Class, that had been awarded to Sirius’s grandfather for “Services to the Ministry.a heavy locket that none of them could open

it's weird

this just doesn't make sense. if u remember in the books V could not penetrate harry because he was full of love the stuff vold detests. he could not posess harry with out suffering mortal agony. i don't think he could have put a part of his soul into him with out feeling pain.

i also think he would have known full well where he put his soul so i don't think the theory of harry being an accidental horcrux really makes sense. There was a special spell to do it, slughorn told vold that when he asked him he said he didn't know. Otherwise his parts of soul could have been accidentally put in to random things by mistake with out him knowing.

THANK mERLIN! fINALLY SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT i'M GETTING AT!

i understand there is like no possible way harry can be a horcux i mean there is just no way at all it agenst the story line... am i not right?

How can Harry be a hoxcrox then?

he can't. this theory is just rubbish

ok i think harry is a horcrux, i thought about this as soon as i finished book 6 and i think he is a horcrux because if voldemort wanted to kill harry he could have just avada kedavra'd his ass but he didnt. It also says voldemort was weak after attemping to "kill" harry this is because he has just given harry a seventh of his soul......think about it.

ok he gave harry a seventh of his soul and died..... ok y did he not die the other six times???

Of course Harry is a horcrux! But he is Dumbledore's. Think about it.

Everyone's assuming Voldemort has been trying to kill Harry, perhaps he's been trying to access the horcrux. James and Lily went against Voldemort three times, what exactly did they do to piss him off so much? He could have chosen Harry as a horcrux as a kind of slap in the face to James and Lily.

i think it makes perfect sense for voldemort to have put a part of his soul in harry. think about it... harry is prophecised to be the one to kil the DL but if part of the DL is in him, then without killing himself he cannot completely kill the DL, even if harry were to kill the physical being of voldemort, his soul (or part of it) would still remain in harry.