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when we think of the 100 ton class, we think of superman, silver surfer, hulk, thor, gladiator, etc

but the fact of the matter is all of these guys base strength is somewhere in the hundred thousand ton range

why do I say that these guys' base strength is around hundred thousand tons? Well, Superman has been shown to lift navy carriers with ease, and those usually weight around 50 thousand tons, so based on that Superman has a base level strength of at least 50,000 tons (I would safely say at least 100,000 tons but let's be conservative with our estimates)

now, it would be silly to say that Hulk, thor, surfer etc are at around 100 ton base strength because that would mean superman is 500times more powerful and would treat them like flies in a fight, which is certainly not the case

so, by logical conclusion, those guys are also around that range of 50,000 tons or so

thus its silly to call them 100 ton class people when they could lift hundreds of times more easily...in essence, the 100 ton class system sells these heroes way short of their actual power

so why am I getting so worked up about it? because it is very silly if you think about it. It's like saying Spiderman is a 100 pound class character when in fact he's in the 10 ton range.

do you guys agree?

yep i agree it is quite pointless and stupid at labelling them as class 100 or over, marvel needs to come up with a different strength class measurement perhaps like A1 for the highest in strength or something.

i don't know why the use the class 100, maybe because it was actually meant to stay as that but writers normally do other things that they believe the character can do.

Silver surfer battling Super skrull, note how he uses his senses to adjust his sight to see bodyheat.

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/SS_25_pg9.jpg

oh sorry wrong thread

Yes. It's suprising how many people haven't caught on yet - it's a phrase that doesn't box in what levels a character can reach; "In excess of 100 tons." How far in excess? AS FAR AS THE WRITER WANTS.
I think a railroad engine weighs about 200 tons! That's like a paper plate to so many characters.

I think its better to have a general rating like class 100 which groups all of the powerhouses together instead of being bogged down by dozens upon dozens of other ratings for all the characters because of their differing strength levels. I thinks its better to have them all as class 100 and then let comic book appearances show how they compare with each other.

By having a defining class for each different character its limiting to writers who ultimately ignore them. Just look at how every person with super strength has more or less performed feats beyond their class. Thing can certainly lift more than 85 tons. Thats why Marvel switched to this more open ended level 1 to 7 system with each level encompassing a wide range of values.

the 1 to 7 definitely makes more sense

Galactic Storm, according to your reasoning, we could just call spiderman, venom, etc 100 pound fighters and let their feats show what they're capable off (see what I'm getting at)

its one thing if those 100ton people lifted like 150 or 200 tons or something close to 100, but lifting 50,000 tons essentially renders the 100ton insignia completely meaningless

Originally posted by masterbruce
the 1 to 7 definitely makes more sense

Galactic Storm, according to your reasoning, we could just call spiderman, venom, etc 100 pound fighters and let their feats show what they're capable off (see what I'm getting at)

its one thing if those 100ton people lifted like 150 or 200 tons or something close to 100, but lifting 50,000 tons essentially renders the 100ton insignia completely meaningless

Thats not my logic at all. I was clearly referring to the 100 class as thats what this topic was about. So bad example. For all those being able to lift at least 100 tons its a good idea to group them together for the aforementioned reasons.

1-7 sucks... 1-10 would be FAR more accurate...

Originally posted by pr1983
1-7 sucks... 1-10 would be FAR more accurate...

Its better than the old class system no?

i just think 1-7 can be incredibly vague... finding out a character is stronger or weaker than we thought they were won't make us hate them or love them any less imo...

Originally posted by pr1983
i just think 1-7 can be incredibly vague... finding out a character is stronger or weaker than we thought they were won't make us hate them or love them any less imo...

No but its confusing and having exact ratings which writers dont stick to is pointless and it invalidates handbooks as well. The present system whilst not perfect is better than the old class system i.m.o

handbooks conflicting with writers is the writers fault, and then marvels for letting them further confuse everyone...

what do you mean by old class system?

I think marvel should have a a more updated version of the already existing strength grading.......

Originally posted by pr1983
handbooks conflicting with writers is the writers fault, and then marvels for letting them further confuse everyone...

what do you mean by old class system?

The class 10, class 50 , class 100. All that old stuff. Now its just level 1 to 7 with each level encompassing a wide range of values. New systems an improvement i.m.o. Still not perfect but then what would be perfect? No writers are going to stick to any limits imposed.

1. human (0 - 800lbs) - Batman, Dare Devil
2. meta human (800lbs - 5 tons) - wolverine, Captain America
3. enhanced (5 - 25 tons)- spiderman, venom
4. super-enhanced (20 - 50 tons) - Carnage
5. Low-level powerhouse (50 - 90 tons) - namor, Rhino
6. Mid-level powerhouse (90 - 1000 tons) - Thing, Colossus

big gap

7. High-level powerhouse (10,000 - 100,000 tons) - Hulk, Superman, Thor
8. Godly (beyond 100,000 tons) - Odin, Galactus
9. Immeasurable (infinite) - TOAA

i too think it is inded stupid. ive been screaming about this for years. for example. the heaviest tank in the US arsenal weighs about 68-70 tons. throw a hum v on top of that and you have in excess of 100 tons right there. that is canon fodder for many powerhouses.

sure marvel falls back on themselves by literally saying incalucable for some like juggs, hulk, thanos, galactus, etc. but its too vague. even the one thru seven when i posted the officail ones that marvel uses a few months back. thats not too cool eother cuz you have guys that are in the same number but clearly different levels. eg. beast and emma frost both are in class5 but emma is 70 tons in diamond form, and beast is 40 tons but both are the same number.....tooo vague and stupid is all im saying

Originally posted by manjaro
i too think it is inded stupid. ive been screaming about this for years. for example. the heaviest tank in the US arsenal weighs about 68-70 tons. throw a hum v on top of that and you have in excess of 100 tons right there. that is canon fodder for many powerhouses.

sure marvel falls back on themselves by literally saying incalucable for some like juggs, hulk, thanos, galactus, etc. but its too vague. even the one thru seven when i posted the officail ones that marvel uses a few months back. thats not too cool eother cuz you have guys that are in the same number but clearly different levels. eg. beast and emma frost both are in class5 but emma is 70 tons in diamond form, and beast is 40 tons but both are the same number.....tooo vague and stupid is all im saying

Emmas class 50 and is level 5 whilst beast can lift 2 tons and is level 4. But i get your point lol.

I read once that the Marvel strength classes were mostly for a role-playing game. Anyway, I never liked it. I didn't think it worked beyond 100 tons

I found a website a year ago (it's gone now) with something called the J Scale of Fictional Strength. It started with 1 manpower: the strength to press 100 lbs. That's 0 magnitude. If you can press 200 lbs, you're 0 magnitude 2; 300 lbs is 0 magnitude 3, and so on.

1st magnitude strength means 10 manpower (1000 lbs), 2nd magnitude means 100 manpower (5 tons), 3rd magnitude was 1000 manpower (50 tons), 4th was 10,000 manpower (500 tons) and so on. Kinda like warp factors for strength but with powers of ten.

At 10 tons (200 manpower), Spiderman would be 2nd magnitude 2. If we talk 30,000-ton range (600,000 mp), you have 5th magnitude 6. Superman likely operates in the 6th or 7th magnitude range.

Yeah, it's not as straightforward if you just wanna know how much someone can lift/press. It just seemed a cool way to rank superstrength.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Emmas class 50 and is level 5 whilst beast can lift 2 tons and is level 4. But i get your point lol.
im glad you get my point but beast has gotten a serious upgrade in the last 4 years(second mutation) he is about 40 tons now, and emma is at 70 tons....check marvel.com, and look at thier stats

yahman, your system is pretty awesome in its comprehensiveness and flexibility

I like it

I think why people like the weight system is because people like concrete numbers that they can associate with (like a truck is 10 tonsetc) but the weight system is hard to work well when the spectrum of strength is so far off to either side

2 thumbs up for yahman's system

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The class 10, class 50 , class 100. All that old stuff. Now its just level 1 to 7 with each level encompassing a wide range of values. New systems an improvement i.m.o. Still not perfect but then what would be perfect? No writers are going to stick to any limits imposed.

oh... i dont like either to be honest... but i'd prefer the weight class system if it encompassed more abilities...

Originally posted by manjaro
im glad you get my point but beast has gotten a serious upgrade in the last 4 years(second mutation) he is about 40 tons now, and emma is at 70 tons....check marvel.com, and look at thier stats

Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.) In the latest handbook it actually states he can lift 2 tons. Im aware of the upgrade. He could only lift a ton before.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.) In the latest handbook it actually states he can lift 2 tons. Im aware of the upgrade. He could only lift a ton before.

Infact Rogue is a Level 5 according to Marvel . com

Says alot about the realiability of G.S's info.

Originally posted by yahman
Infact Rogue is a Level 5 according to Marvel . com

Says alot about the realiability of G.S's info.

Well actually in the last X-men handbook Rogues strength entry is a 6.

Your swiftness to criticise says a lot about your self esteem.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well actually in the last X-men handbook Rogues strength entry is a 6.

Your swiftness to criticise says a lot about your self esteem.

Modesty is the best policy mate ....

Also i was under the impression you where referring to Marvel . com ?


"check marvel.com, and look at thier stats "


"Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.)"

Just for you G.S. as i know you love them so much Dawggg

Originally posted by yahman
Modesty is the best policy mate ....

Also i was under the impression you where referring to Marvel . com ?


"check marvel.com, and look at thier stats "


"Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.)"

Just for you G.S. as i know you love them so much Dawggg



My post clearly mentioned the handbook so you have no leg to stand on as per usual.

As ever it seems you misinterpreted and then quickly fired off your mouth.

The results always the same youngster. Sit back take the time to properly assess before making a contribution. Impulsiveness is ever a quality of the young and inexperienced.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My post clearly mentioned the handbook so you have no leg to stand on as per usual.

As ever it seems you misinterpreted and then quickly fired off your mouth.

The results always the same youngster. Sit back take the time to properly assess before making a contribution. Impulsiveness is ever a quality of the young and inexperienced.

Ah but i did notice that you had mentioned the H.B, but it looks like it has been mentioned in a different context.

"then quickly fired off your mouth. "

I'm limited to weekend accesse so all the subtly and wit of my usual responses is being abandoned.

Originally posted by yahman
Ah but i did notice that you had mentioned the H.B, but it looks like it has been mentioned in a different context.

"then quickly fired off your mouth. "

I'm limited to weekend accesse so all the subtly and wit of my usual responses is being abandoned.

Whether those qualities have ever been a feature of your posts is highly debatable to say the least.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether those qualities have ever been a feature of your posts is highly debatable to say the least.

Cum'on you love me really .... Why else are you stalking me ?

Originally posted by yahman
Cum'on you love me really .... Why else are you stalking me ?

Umm didnt you reply to my posts?

Poor lad clearly delusional

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Umm didnt you reply to my posts?

Poor lad clearly delusional

Yes clearly ....

Irony it gets you everytime.

Originally posted by yahman
Yes clearly ....

Irony it gets you everytime.

Yahman's system is comprehensive and makes sense; it's just funny seeing guys like Superman and Thor rating only an 8, under it.
Anyone remember the old system for Transformers; 1-10? Optimus Prime and Megatron may have rated 10 in strength, but we all know there was at least four levels of 10 - Standard robot( Op, Meg etc.), Combined Super-Robot(Devastator, Superion etc.), Giant Robot(Omega Supreme, Trypticon etc.) and Planet Robot(Unicron and Primus).
We knew because Optimus rated a 10 didn't mean he was as strong as Omega Supreme. People just need to be realistic.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.) In the latest handbook it actually states he can lift 2 tons. Im aware of the upgrade. He could only lift a ton before.

i think that just proves everyones point really.. the whole MU has got thier thumbs up there asses, but as per beast's second mutation circa 2000-01 not only has he officially gotten hightened senses and a healing factor(tho not has profound as a wolverine or sbartooth.....the healing that is, his senses are up there with the best of them), but a strength upgrade as well. Beast could lift two tons from before he even had blue fur....trust me dude he can lift 40 tons now besides the info on marvel.com is done by the company itslef while the various encyclopedias are done by outsiders who get permission from marvel so if the main company website says he's class5, and i know for a fact that class5 starts at approx. 35-40 tons, i see no reason they would drag him back down, but still it all dpends on what volume you have read, for i believe theyre up to vol.9 now

Originally posted by manjaro
i think that just proves everyones point really.. the whole MU has got thier thumbs up there asses, but as per beast's second mutation circa 2000-01 not only has he officially gotten hightened senses and a healing factor(tho not has profound as a wolverine or sbartooth.....the healing that is, his senses are up there with the best of them), but a strength upgrade as well. Beast could lift two tons from before he even had blue fur....trust me dude he can lift 40 tons now besides the info on marvel.com is done by the company itslef while the various encyclopedias are done by outsiders who get permission from marvel so if the main company website says he's class5, and i know for a fact that class5 starts at approx. 35-40 tons, i see no reason they would drag him back down, but still it all dpends on what volume you have read, for i believe theyre up to vol.9 now

Have you seen him lifting anything that weighs 40 tons ?

Originally posted by yahman
Have you seen him lifting anything that weighs 40 tons ?

Exactly. Thank you Yahman. Youre annoying questions come in handy when not directed at me

Beast before his secondary mutation could lift 2000 pounds which equals 1 ton. After his secondary mutation he can now lift 2 tons. Its right there in the X-men handbook where its actually stated. The bar chart sugests otherwise but then theres a number of bar charts throughout the handbook which conflict with the written information of the bio. Have you ever seen Beast pull off a rogue level feat? I collect X-men and i can assure he hasnt. I havent even seen him verge into Spiderman territory so anyone using a bit of common sense can see that the 2 ton figure is very much correct.

This whole 40 ton nonsense when someone misinterpreted marvels new rating system from the handbooks before last. Some poster started spouting the incorrect figure and everyone blindly believed him without checking up themselves.

Beast lifts 2 tons:

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/4650/page0045fl.jpg

Here is the previous bio where he could lift 1 ton:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/beast.htm

See sensible increase from 1 to 2. I know Marvel love upgrading their mutants but come on a little common sense. 1 to 40?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exactly. Thank you Yahman. Youre annoying questions come in handy when not directed at me

Beast before his secondary mutation could lift 2000 pounds which equals 1 ton. After his secondary mutation he can now lift 2 tons. Its right there in the X-men handbook where its actually stated. The bar chart sugests otherwise but then theres a number of bar charts throughout the handbook which conflict with the written information of the bio. Have you ever seen Beast pull off a rogue level feat? I collect X-men and i can assure he hasnt. I havent even seen him verge into Spiderman territory so anyone using a bit of common sense can see that the 2 ton figure is very much correct.

This whole 40 ton nonsense when someone misinterpreted marvels new rating system from the handbooks before last. Some poster started spouting the incorrect figure and everyone blindly believed him without checking up themselves.

Beast lifts 2 tons:

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/4650/page0045fl.jpg

Your welcome ..... I think

I can assure you, your annoying comments come in handy whenever i need a laugh.

Originally posted by yahman
Your welcome ..... I think

I can assure you, your annoying comments come in handy whenever i need a laugh.

Good try mate good try

with regard to the beast thing i never followed anyone blindly i too have read certain encylclopedias where it stated that emma frost can lift 70 tons in her diamond form... and they have her at 5. i hate to sound like im coming off as combative but that bio is old dude, the legacy virus incident came waaaayyy before second mutations, and Trish Tilby has been out of his life since early '99.

Marvel is obviously having a migraine from all that low grade skunk weed they're smoking.. cuz they have mystique at level 3 when she clocks in at about vampire level...800-1ton. there is a big disparity and if anyone doesnt see that they're smoking skunk weed too. if beast is 5 and can ONLY lift TWO tons, then that means that guys like luke cage and spiderman should be off the freaking charts then(who marvel.com lists both at 4 BTW) and i wouldnt even wanna think about rogue and thing, by that measure there shouldnt even be a classification for them they should be in the stratosphere

the old school class10-100 wasnt perfect but it was much better than the confusing shit they have today....im sure all would agree

GS, not to dispute your point

but to me it doesn't make sense to upgrade someone from 1 to 2 tons, that's an unnoticeable difference (so what instead of being able to lift a jetta, now beast can lift a buick?)

if you're gonna upgrade someone, you would make it significant enough so you can see a difference, wouldn't you?

Originally posted by masterbruce
GS, not to dispute your point

but to me it doesn't make sense to upgrade someone from 1 to 2 tons, that's an unnoticeable difference (so what instead of being able to lift a jetta, now beast can lift a buick?)

if you're gonna upgrade someone, you would make it significant enough so you can see a difference, wouldn't you?

How strong are the Marvel Big guns, the real big guns. They are obvioulsy over 100 tons but by how much. How strong are marvel writers currently depicting their strongest characters at.

I.E. these guys ; Hulk, Hercules, Sentry, Thing, Colossus, Namor, Atlas

Levels :
Just over 100 tons
As strong as Ultimate Colossus (i.e. a few KILo tons)
Mountain Lifting
Planet Moving

What do you think. Currently i think that Hulk, Sentry, Herc and Namor
are above Ultimate Colossus but below the mountain level.

Since we all agree that strength ranking over 100 tons in the Marvel system is way too vague, an idea came to me recently regarding a simple and familiar method to rate those who can lift way over 100 tons.

Kiloton Class: those who can lift a thousand tons or more.
Megaton Class: those who can lift a million tons or more.
Gigaton Class: those who can lift...well, you get the idea.

Further, each class can be divided into Low (single digit), Mid (double digit) and High (triple digit). For example, someone in the Mid Kiloton Class lifts in the range of 10 kilotons (10,000 tons) to 99 kilotons (99,000 tons). Someone in the Low Megaton Class lifts in the 1 megaton (1,000,000 ton) to 9 megaton (9,000,000 ton) range.

The main thing is, there is no getting bogged down by specific numbers (if so-n-so lifts 10,000 tons, then how can he hoist that 50,000-ton sub?) We can simply say he's mid-kiloton class, and we have lots of room for play, especially since so-n-so might be able to military-press 10 kilotons but can leg-press 50 kilotons.

Also, to say that (eg) Hulk is potentially megaton-class strength sounds cooler, IMO, than saying he's 100-ton class.

Comments/criticisms/suggestions welcome.

(BTW, Yahman, wherever you are, you asked me once to develop my own strength scale. So I did, going for simplicity since I couldn't match your thoroughness ).

Originally posted by masterbruce

5. Low-level powerhouse (50 - 90 tons) - namor, Rhino
6. Mid-level powerhouse (90 - 1000 tons) - Thing, Colossus


...are you serious?

Namor is stronger then Thing or Colossus...

In terms of panel feats, Namor is definitely kiloton class (mid-level?).

Yeah.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No but its confusing and having exact ratings which writers dont stick to is pointless and it invalidates handbooks as well. The present system whilst not perfect is better than the old class system i.m.o

I agree .... but it sucks if you are below level 7

75 - 100 tons


MASSIVE GAP

Lifting the Baxter Building, Lifting Mountains, pulling Manhattan island, destroying planets with your fists

Originally posted by Mindship
Since we all agree that strength ranking over 100 tons in the Marvel system is way too vague, an idea came to me recently regarding a simple and familiar method to rate those who can lift way over 100 tons.

Kiloton Class: those who can lift a thousand tons or more.
Megaton Class: those who can lift a million tons or more.
Gigaton Class: those who can lift...well, you get the idea.

Further, each class can be divided into Low (single digit), Mid (double digit) and High (triple digit). For example, someone in the Mid Kiloton Class lifts in the range of 10 kilotons (10,000 tons) to 99 kilotons (99,000 tons). Someone in the Low Megaton Class lifts in the 1 megaton (1,000,000 ton) to 9 megaton (9,000,000 ton) range.

The main thing is, there is no getting bogged down by specific numbers (if so-n-so lifts 10,000 tons, then how can he hoist that 50,000-ton sub?) We can simply say he's mid-kiloton class, and we have lots of room for play, especially since so-n-so might be able to military-press 10 kilotons but can leg-press 50 kilotons.

Also, to say that (eg) Hulk is potentially megaton-class strength sounds cooler, IMO, than saying he's 100-ton class.

Comments/criticisms/suggestions welcome.

(BTW, Yahman, wherever you are, you asked me once to develop my own strength scale. So I did, going for simplicity since I couldn't match your thoroughness ).

~ yahman is still alive in spirit ~

I think this is a good idea except its hard to quantify how sadistically strong certain characters are.

For example Thor has been shown to struggle lifting Skyscrapers on two separate occasions. He has lifted the Midgaurd Serpent, which is the size of a planet, but is mystical in nature and therefore might not have a traditional mass. WE conclude from this evidence that the Midgard Serpent is as heavy as a Skyscraper, which is ridiculous.

There are various examples of these inconsistencies and fluctuations, which is why it is better to class characters strength levels with specific terminology, rather than mathematical statistics.

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
~ yahman is still alive in spirit ~

I think this is a good idea except its hard to quantify how sadistically strong certain characters are.

For example Thor has been shown to struggle lifting Skyscrapers on two separate occasions. He has lifted the Midgaurd Serpent, which is the size of a planet, but is mystical in nature and therefore might not have a traditional mass. WE conclude from this evidence that the Midgard Serpent is as heavy as a Skyscraper, which is ridiculous.

There are various examples of these inconsistencies and fluctuations, which is why it is better to class characters strength levels with specific terminology, rather than mathematical statistics.



I definitely see your point. The fluctuations and inconsistencies are absurd. That's why I went for broad ranges ("Kiloton" Class, "Megaton" Class), hoping to cover all/most feats. Yet, some inconsistencies are so broad, that only indefinite terms like "Incalculable" or "Immeasurable" may apply. However, it is also the very vagueness of those terms which makes it difficult to compare/rank characters via their profiles (which, for example, would be stronger: Immeasurable or Incalculable? Seems like a subjective call: it's whatever we want it to be).

There are advantages/disadvantages either way. Thanks for the feedback.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
...are you serious?

Namor is stronger then Thing or Colossus...

Originally posted by Tony Stark

Jumpy

Question: given the wide (often absurd) fluctuations in what a character is seen to lift, might it be better to rate a character's strength on the average weight lifted? Or perhaps even better, base it on the mode of their lifts (for those unfamiliar with statistics, the "mode" is basically the most common/most frequent value). This way, what's stated in a power profile is not seen as a limiting factor but more like "business as usual," and the uncharacteristic or supergigantic feats of strength characters occasionally display may not seem so outlandish or out of character.

balloon

Originally posted by Tony Stark

Originally posted by Mindship
Question: given the wide (often absurd) fluctuations in what a character is seen to lift, might it be better to rate a character's strength on the average weight lifted? Or perhaps even better, base it on the mode of their lifts (for those unfamiliar with statistics, the "mode" is basically the most common/most frequent value). This way, what's stated in a power profile is not seen as a limiting factor but more like "business as usual," and the uncharacteristic or supergigantic feats of strength characters occasionally display may not seem so outlandish or out of character.

balloon

Hmm. Nice idea.

This applies only to lifting weight, though. I'd imagine it's quite hard to rate punching feats.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
...I'd imagine it's quite hard to rate punching feats.

Actually there are stats one can look up to determine the p.s.i. impact of either the average person or a boxer (I'm sure I have notes on this somewhere). Let's say it's about 1000 psi. If you have a character that is 1000 times the strength of an ordinary joe, well, then, we can estimate that--all else being equal-- that character's punch would deliver about one million psi. For what that would mean in terms of materials, though, one has to determine how much psi would be needed to, say, knock through a brick wall.

The thing is, the info is out there, and mastering the Power Google is the way to find/figure out all this stuff.

Just for the hell of it, some of the more obscure factoids I've come across...
1. It would take about 20 average men to lift one ton overhead. This means a character who can press 100 tons has the strength of about 2000 men.
2. We all know the term horsepower. It's equal to 746 watts. But what about "manpower?" That's equal to roughly 100 watts. This means a character with the strength of 2000 men is utilizing about 200 kilowatts of power.

Ah, fun with absolute nonsense...

Ugh, finding P.S.I calculators and info is horrible.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/blowup.gif

Believe me, Namor is underwater guy, and there is no way of calculating the amount of times I have searched for pound-per-square-inch stuff to calculate his way of surviving underwater...because it's quite impressive to survive that deep.

It is.

Thanks for the info, by the way.

Originally posted by Mindship
I definitely see your point. The fluctuations and inconsistencies are absurd. That's why I went for broad ranges ("Kiloton" Class, "Megaton" Class), hoping to cover all/most feats. Yet, some inconsistencies are so broad, that only indefinite terms like "Incalculable" or "Immeasurable" may apply. However, it is also the very vagueness of those terms which makes it difficult to compare/rank characters via their profiles (which, for example, would be stronger: Immeasurable or Incalculable? Seems like a subjective call: it's whatever we want it to be).

There are advantages/disadvantages either way. Thanks for the feedback.

My last strength system didn't allocate any numerical limits, but described strength levels as 'potential lifting ability' aswell as the amount of energy the character can utilize to enhance strength.

Superman: Gigaton level or Incalculable?

Originally posted by Mindship
Superman: Gigaton level or Incalculable?

Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)

Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)

Namor = Level 7 Heavy Weight (Has known limits, but can lift in excess of 100 tons)

Iron Man = Level 8 Heavy Weight immeasurable (Has Heavy weight strength, but can increase strength to unknown limits for short periods of time.)

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)
Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)


Immeasurable > Incalculable

Superman > Thor


thumbup1

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)

Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)

Namor = Level 7 Heavy Weight (Has known limits, but can lift in excess of 100 tons)

Iron Man = Level 8 Heavy Weight immeasurable (Has Heavy weight strength, but can increase strength to unknown limits for short periods of time.)

If Thor is that strong then how strong is Juggernaut, who owned Thor easily

Originally posted by Rewmac
If Thor is that strong then how strong is Juggernaut, who owned Thor easily

In the same category, but lower down. He's yet to show limits, and he's widely regarded as stronger than Namor, whse at the top of level 7. (Heavy weights.)

Level 6 = Middle Weights - Around 100 tons
Level 7 = Heavy Weights - Far beyond 100 tons
Level 8 = Hevay Weight Inncalcuable -Can increase strength to Incaluable for short periods
Level 9 = Inncalcuable - Has yet to show limits
Level 10 = Immeasurable. - In exhaustible power source increasing strength

Juggernaut hasn't shown limits...Never had to make an effort...According to the comics I have and the Handbooks (4). Juggernaut hasn't shown his limits yet...

Originally posted by Rewmac
Juggernaut hasn't shown limits...Never had to make an effort...According to the comics I have and the Handbooks (4). Juggernaut hasn't shown his limits yet...

I'm pretty sure you've just reiterated my original point ?

What do you mean?? I'm not attackin' or something like that

Originally posted by Rewmac
What do you mean?? I'm not attackin' or something like that

Reiterate means to repeat !

Level 6 = Middle Weights - Around 100 tons
Level 7 = Heavy Weights - Far beyond 100 tons
Level 8 = Heavy Weight Incalculable -Can increase strength to Incaluable for short periods
Level 9 = Incalculable - Has yet to show limits
Level 10 = Immeasurable. - In exhaustible power source increasing strength

So...from "around 100 tons" we jump to "far beyond 100 tons" (?) to Incalculable/Immeasurable (??). Could we not delineate just a tad? This is what I was hoping to accomplish with my 2-cents worth.
Forsooth...
6. Heavy Weight = 100 - 1000 tons.
7. Kiloton level = a thousand to a near-million tons
8. Megaton level = a million to a near-billion tons
9. Gigaton level = billion tons or more; has yet to show limits
10. Immeasurable = inexhaustibly increasing strength
The ranges are broad and satisfies fans' desires for at least ballpark numbers/tonnage.

Well, can't blame me for trying.
whistling

Originally posted by Mindship
So...from "around 100 tons" we jump to "far beyond 100 tons" (?) to Incalculable/Immeasurable (??). Could we not delineate just a tad? This is what I was hoping to accomplish with my 2-cents worth.
Forsooth...
6. Heavy Weight = 100 - 1000 tons.
7. Kiloton level = a thousand to a near-million tons
8. Megaton level = a million to a near-billion tons
9. Gigaton level = billion tons or more; has yet to show limits
10. Immeasurable = inexhaustibly increasing strength
The ranges are broad and satisfies fans' desires for at least ballpark numbers/tonnage.

Well, can't blame me for trying.
whistling

So where would you put the following :

Juggernaut
Doomsday
The Shaggyman
Mangog
Ulik
Abomination
Solomon Grundy
Orion
Darksied

All of these guys have limited energy access, but have not shown any lifting feats.

Where would you put Thor and Wonder Woman, their best lifting feats are objects with ambiguous weight ?

Can you now see the problem now of using a quantifiable statistical system.

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
So where would you put the following :

Juggernaut
Doomsday
The Shaggyman
Mangog
Ulik
Abomination
Solomon Grundy
Orion
Darksied

All of these guys have limited energy access, but have not shown any lifting feats.

Where would you put Thor and Wonder Woman, their best lifting feats are objects with ambiguous weight ?

Can you now see the problem now of using a quantifiable statistical system.

Aye, lad. But I'm up to the challenge. flex

Now I'm not familiar with all the characters you mentioned. In any event, I'm gonna base my estimates on 1) whatever they've actually lifted (from my own research I am fairly familiar with what certain objects weigh); and 2) how well their strength has matched up against opponents who have done some heavy lifting. Plus, I'll throw in a few characters of my own.

Immeasurable: Galactus, Celestials, Darkseid (not sure with him; maybe Gigaton Level).
Gigaton Level: Superman, Thor, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Mangog, Orion.
Megaton Level: Juggernaut. I'm not making him Gigaton cuz much of his formidability comes from his invulnerability. Again, I'm not that familiar with him, but I don't believe he's done any kind of "mountain lifting." Also Grundy, though again I am not that familiar with him. He could be Kiloton Level.
Heavy Weight: Abomination.

IMO, even without using numbers, it would still be hard to rank certain characters, relative to each other, due to the broad range of strength depiction (eg, Grundy has fought Batman, and lost, and fought Superman).

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Reiterate means to repeat ! Sorry I'm from hungary I only get about 95% But lived in England (I love to brag )

Yeah it is because anyone who is listen can lift 100 tons can easily take on Superman Hulk or Doomsday or anybody by that strength level some stupid people like Golem 370