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Should i forgive Italy ???

Should i forgive Italy for the wars in 101, 102 and 106 AD against the dacians that lived in Romania? They came with swords'a'blazin' killing, murdering, raping, etc. etc.
They caused oh so much pain and sorrow, and i can't get over it. My second cousin's aunt's grandmother's father's father's father's father's father's father's grandfather's cousin's great great great great great great great great great grandfather died in one of those battles

Should i forgive Turkey???

Should i forgive Turkey for the countless battles against Romania and Moldavia during the middle ages back when Moldavia and Romania were called (by the rest of Europe, including England) THE LAST GATE, as in the last obstacle keeping the Turkish Empire from taking over Europe? While the rest of the countries orgasmed over inventing handkerchiefs my grandmother's uncle's second wife's mother's great great great great great great great grandmother was accidentaly hit with a rock by a turk in one of those battles and she died.

Should i forgive England???

Should i forgive England for promising to send reinforcements during the 1st World War in the fight against the germans and doing nothing more than blowing each other while Churchill made every mistake possible and not giving a damn, with only the French sending reinforcements and instructors? My classmate's great great great cousin's wife's brother's mother's neighbour's great great great grandmother's father really really hoped they would, but because they did nothing, he got killed.

Should i forgive England???

Should i forgive England because Churchill completely ignored what he SIGNED for together with Roosevelt in the Carta Atlantic ? The whole "The US and GB desire no territorial expansions or areas of influence" + "The US and England desire no territorial changes that would fail to express the free will of the people in interest" + "The US and GB respect each people's right to choose the type of regime they wish to live in and desire that after the war all deposed governments be returned to power".
Should i forgive England because Churchill ignored what he himself signed and during 1943 and afterwards insisted that the only way Romania can leave the war is by unconditional surrender? Should i forgive England because Churchill asked Roosevelt as a personal favor to give the Balkans over to Russia (which Kennedy admitted to?).
Should i forgive England because the brittish people chose a man that was a depressive? (don;t believe me? read about his "black dogs"?
Should i forgive England for allowing churchill to give Romania and the rest of Eastern Europe to Stalin in october 44 to Stalin and Russia, signing on a whiskey stained tissue?

I can just go on and on and on and i'm not mentioning America because i have to leave for a while.......

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
Should i forgive Italy ???

Should i forgive Italy for the wars in 101, 102 and 106 AD against the dacians that lived in Romania? They came with swords'a'blazin' killing, murdering, raping, etc. etc.
They caused oh so much pain and sorrow, and i can't get over it. My second cousin's aunt's grandmother's father's father's father's father's father's father's grandfather's cousin's great great great great great great great great great grandfather died in one of those battles

Should i forgive Turkey???

Should i forgive Turkey for the countless battles against Romania and Moldavia during the middle ages back when Moldavia and Romania were called (by the rest of Europe, including England) THE LAST GATE, as in the last obstacle keeping the Turkish Empire from taking over Europe? While the rest of the countries orgasmed over inventing handkerchiefs my grandmother's uncle's second wife's mother's great great great great great great great grandmother was accidentaly hit with a rock by a turk in one of those battles and she died.

Should i forgive England???

Should i forgive England for promising to send reinforcements during the 1st World War in the fight against the germans and doing nothing more than blowing each other while Churchill made every mistake possible and not giving a damn, with only the French sending reinforcements and instructors? My classmate's great great great cousin's wife's brother's mother's neighbour's great great great grandmother's father really really hoped they would, but because they did nothing, he got killed.

Should i forgive England???

Should i forgive England because Churchill completely ignored what he SIGNED for together with Roosevelt in the Carta Atlantic ? The whole "The US and GB desire no territorial expansions or areas of influence" + "The US and England desire no territorial changes that would fail to express the free will of the people in interest" + "The US and GB respect each people's right to choose the type of regime they wish to live in and desire that after the war all deposed governments be returned to power".
Should i forgive England because Churchill ignored what he himself signed and during 1943 and afterwards insisted that the only way Romania can leave the war is by unconditional surrender? Should i forgive England because Churchill asked Roosevelt as a personal favor to give the Balkans over to Russia (which Kennedy admitted to?).
Should i forgive England because the brittish people chose a man that was a depressive? (don;t believe me? read about his "black dogs"?
Should i forgive England for allowing churchill to give Romania and the rest of Eastern Europe to Stalin in october 44 to Stalin and Russia, signing on a whiskey stained tissue?

I can just go on and on and on and i'm not mentioning America because i have to leave for a while.......

~wickerman~

Not if you don't want to

No Wickerman. Don't forgive them. They're all still out to get you.

Should I forgive Japan for their war crimes during WWII?

Should I forgive Smilodon fatalis? It killed and ate my ancestors.

Always remeber forgiving is ok but never forget the lessons learnt

LOL wickerman.......point made

A well summed up point Wickerman. History is full of persecution, war and every other bad thing imaginable. There has NEVER be a time of true peace. NEVER been a nation that could truly be said to embody the good parts of humanity. Yes, history is full of all that is bad, but also at times people standing against it, trying to do what is right. Ying and yang. Eternal struggles and all that.

Holding a grudge against some some long gone nation achieves nothing. Learn from the mistakes yes, so that one day history might have a true golden period of equality, peace and joy, but really maintaining a rage forever would actually work against the unlikely day when such a thing could happen.

So you're saying I should forgive Smilodon fatalis?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So you're saying I should forgive Smilodon fatalis?

only if you want to

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So you're saying I should forgive Smilodon fatalis?

Hmmm. A good point. A near prehistoric big cat. Ultimately it would be up to you, though I certainly don't see how not forgiving it would have much of a big impact. I guess at least it wasn't a sentient society, but rather natural selection, still not good. Personally though, if I were to blame something at the time I'd go for the ice age.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm. A good point. A near prehistoric big cat. Ultimately it would be up to you, though I certainly don't see how not forgiving it would have much of a big impact. I guess at least it wasn't a sentient society, but rather natural selection, still not good. Personally though, if I were to blame something at the time I'd go for the ice age.

Yes the ice age has a lot to answer for the death of most macroherbivores etc.

but again ony if you want to forgive it - thats the point, only you can decide

Enough with the Holocaust pics.

Whirly, you are taking a horrific image that should make people think about the atrocities committed by man, and making it an image of annoyance on a forum through repetition and irrelevance to a subject.

Way to belittle something that you made out to be so important to you.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Enough with the Holocaust pics.

Whirly, you are taking a horrific image that should make people think about the atrocities committed by man, and making it an image of annoyance on a forum through repetition and irrelevance to a subject.

Way to belittle something that you made out to be so important to you.


That was not the intention - unfortunately posting beetroots in opposition does that

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
That was not the intention - unfortunately posting beetroots in opposition does that

As does flooding a forum with photos of a tragic historical event to the point that it becomes an annoyance and loses it's original meaning.

Sometimes Kharmadawg doing things you dislike might make you stronger..........

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As does flooding a forum with photos of a tragic historical event to the point that it becomes an annoyance and loses it's original meaning.

I concede that may be what happened - however it angers me people have said it can be justified.

Originally posted by soleran30
Sometimes Kharmadawg doing things you dislike might make you stronger..........

And sometimes pushing your agenda causes a backlash. If you make so much noise to prove your point, your point is often ignored because people can't stand the yelling.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
And sometimes pushing your agenda causes a backlash. If you make so much noise to prove your point, your point is often ignored because people can't stand the yelling.

true enough this may be one of those cases sadly - I did go a little over the top.

uh huh so stop yelling so often

NOt this again!!!!

Originally posted by soleran30
uh huh so stop yelling so often

OK

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
true enough this may be one of those cases sadly - I did go a little over the top.

I agree that you went over the top, and I think you have guts to admit to that.

If you have a firm belief or cause, argue it with all you got. But avoid the shock tactics or the repitition, they only do a disservice to your effort.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I agree that you went over the top, and I think you have guts to admit to that.

If you have a firm belief or cause, argue it with all you got. But avoid the shock tactics or the repitition, they only do a disservice to your effort.

OK mate

Whats with this mate stuff.....this isn't the UK this is America......no wait you are from the UK....you mean I can talk to people in other countries here.....!

Originally posted by soleran30
Whats with this mate stuff.....this isn't the UK this is America......no wait you are from the UK....you mean I can talk to people in other countries here.....!

exactly

Well that might explain why there are so many differences in opinion here! Hell I just thought everyone was crazy for not taking my words for gospel! Um whats a US translation for mate.......ok ok I got it Word up Yo Homi!.........that was just horrible

Originally posted by soleran30
Well that might explain why there are so many differences in opinion here! Hell I just thought everyone was crazy for not taking my words for gospel! Um whats a US translation for mate.......ok ok I got it Word up Yo Homi!.........that was just horrible

I think in part it does

I hope my point was made. What i intended to do was to make a satire of the earlier thread "Should i forgive germany?"

Complaining about what happened ages ago to OTHER people does nothing but make you out to be a fool and belittle the fact itself.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
I hope my point was made. What i intended to do was to make a satire of the earlier thread "Should i forgive germany?"

Complaining about what happened ages ago to OTHER people does nothing but make you out to be a fool and belittle the fact itself.

~wickerman~

Round of applause for Wickerman ....

NO! No one should forgive italy! They invented bread! The most carbious thing on the market!

Originally posted by Spelljammer
NO! No one should forgive italy! They invented bread! The most carbious thing on the market!

Alot of nice looking girls though

should i forgive china, for holding hostage my uncles relatives?

Originally posted by leana marie
should i forgive china, for holding hostage my uncles relatives?
I am relatively positive that your Uncles relatives are your relatives...yes....should be at least....

Screw the commies and thier carbs..

Originally posted by yahman
Round of applause for Wickerman ....

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? Cause it looks like my radar's working perfectly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/preacherofnothing/my%20pics/give-a-funck.gif

~wickerman~

actually ive never even met my chinese uncle,

Originally posted by leana marie
actually ive never even met my chinese uncle,

Yeah, well, he's still one of your relatives.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, well, he's still one of your relatives.....
You're liberal, what do you care about family values?

Anyway, there are more important things then family. You'd realize that if your's was madeup of crackwhores and drunks who abused you growing up..

Marie honey, it's sad what happend to your uncle, but we don't know what he was like so we really shouldn't concern ourselves so much with it. But we should dislike China's goverment anyway. Not cause of what they nesscarely did to someone we know, but cause of what they do to thier people like slave labour and ties to the mafia..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
You're liberal, what do you care about family values?

Anyway, there are more important things then family. You'd realize that if your's was madeup of crackwhores and drunks who abused you growing up..

Marie honey, it's sad what happend to your uncle, but we don't know what he was like so we really shouldn't concern ourselves so much with it. But we should dislike China's goverment anyway. Not cause of what they nesscarely did to someone we know, but cause of what they do to thier people like slave labour and ties to the mafia..

I do not....it's not valuies anyways...its biology....

ok spelljammer

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do not....it's not valuies anyways...its biology....
Then don't say yea well, he's still one of your uncles.. learn to hold an opinion and stick with it.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Then don't say yea well, he's still one of your uncles.. learn to hold an opinion and stick with it.

I said he's still one of your relatives...which he is, now isn't he?

i guess so, so i wont forgive china then!!!

*Hugs and kisses marie*
Don't feel bad though honey. I got more liberal jokes where that came from. XP

John Kerry was jogging down the street and sees these kittens in a pet store window. He asks the owner, "What kind of kittens are these?"

The owner replied "They're democrats."

The next week Kerry is jogging down the street with Joe Liberman and Kerry sees the kittens and tells Joe, "You gotta' see this!"

Kerry walks up to the store owner and asks, "What kind of kittens are these?"

"Republicans" the store owner replies.

"But last week you said they were democrats! Whats the difference between them then and now?" Kerry proclaims.

"They opened their eyes." The store owner responds.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
*Hugs and kisses marie*
Don't feel bad though honey. I got more liberal jokes where that came from. XP

John Kerry was jogging down the street and sees these kittens in a pet store window. He asks the owner, "What kind of kittens are these?"

The owner replied "They're democrats."

The next week Kerry is jogging down the street with Joe Liberman and Kerry sees the kittens and tells Joe, "You gotta' see this!"

Kerry walks up to the store owner and asks, "What kind of kittens are these?"

"Republicans" the store owner replies.

"But last week you said they were democrats! Whats the difference between them then and now?" Kerry proclaims.

"They opened their eyes." The store owner responds.

God that joke is awful but still funny as hell

~wickerman~

heh, it was cute.

Originally posted by Wickerman
God that joke is awful but still funny as hell

~wickerman~

true...so true......Kerry is strange...

Ok Ok.. sense Wickerman is my pal, and is liberal, I'll make one that takes a sting at both of us this time!
How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative?

Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore.
The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout "swim for it!"

The liberal will toss out 50 feet of rope, drop his own end, and go off to do another good deed.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Ok Ok.. sense Wickerman is my pal, and is liberal, I'll make one that takes a sting at both of us this time!
How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative?

Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore.
The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout "swim for it!"

The liberal will toss out 50 feet of rope, drop his own end, and go off to do another good deed.

Funny.....and I will jsut change Conservative with libertarian and liberal with socialist and it fits...

Originally posted by Spelljammer
*Hugs and kisses marie*
Don't feel bad though honey. I got more liberal jokes where that came from. XP

John Kerry was jogging down the street and sees these kittens in a pet store window. He asks the owner, "What kind of kittens are these?"

The owner replied "They're democrats."

The next week Kerry is jogging down the street with Joe Liberman and Kerry sees the kittens and tells Joe, "You gotta' see this!"

Kerry walks up to the store owner and asks, "What kind of kittens are these?"

"Republicans" the store owner replies.

"But last week you said they were democrats! Whats the difference between them then and now?" Kerry proclaims.

"They opened their eyes." The store owner responds.


hahaha

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Ok Ok.. sense Wickerman is my pal, and is liberal, I'll make one that takes a sting at both of us this time!
How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative?

Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore.
The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout "swim for it!"

The liberal will toss out 50 feet of rope, drop his own end, and go off to do another good deed.



I have no problem with conservatives as a whole. it's the hardcore extremists like KidRock that remind me of a picture that fits them very very well:

~wickerman~

right now the liberals are in power in my country and they are screwing everything up.

Originally posted by leana marie
right now the liberals are in power in my country and they are screwing everything up.

Err..what country do you live in?

Should i forgive Turkey for killing the Armenians in the early 1900's?

why are there similar threads?

Originally posted by Spelljammer
*Hugs and kisses marie*
Don't feel bad though honey. I got more liberal jokes where that came from. XP

John Kerry was jogging down the street and sees these kittens in a pet store window. He asks the owner, "What kind of kittens are these?"

The owner replied "They're democrats."

The next week Kerry is jogging down the street with Joe Liberman and Kerry sees the kittens and tells Joe, "You gotta' see this!"

Kerry walks up to the store owner and asks, "What kind of kittens are these?"

"Republicans" the store owner replies.

"But last week you said they were democrats! Whats the difference between them then and now?" Kerry proclaims.

"They opened their eyes." The store owner responds.

one thats nonexistant

Originally posted by leana marie
one thats nonexistant
hmm..and it's ruined by "the liberals" a term only applying to american Politics anyways....

hmm, your wrong,

Originally posted by leana marie
hmm, your wrong,
Hmm no I am not........it really only apllys to American Politics......you are probably British though.....

Originally posted by Wickerman


I have no problem with conservatives as a whole. it's the hardcore extremists like KidRock that remind me of a picture that fits them very very well:

~wickerman~
The funny part is we use those nicknames. Like Cooter and Boo.

KidRock's cool, not O' Reilly cool, but if I was ever stuck in Apganastian, I'd expect KidRock in his big pickup truck to come save me..

Knowing PVS or something they'd come in an ice-cream truck. He wouldn't even have a sugar-free varaint of ice-cream on him!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm no I am not........it really only apllys to American Politics......you are probably British though.....
Actually most of the world is run by liberals. Which explains why thier economy's suck and their daily lives are being run moreso by the mob then the state..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Actually most of the world is run by liberals. Which explains why thier economy's suck and their daily lives are being run moreso by the mob then the state..

No really...the Liberals as you know them are actually not that popular in the rest of the world....we don't really have this rather strange political party....I ean we have socialists yes...and real liberals....and real conservatives...but both American Parties are not really in the Political Spectrum...at least here in Germany....

Originally posted by Wickerman
Was that supposed to be sarcasm? Cause it looks like my radar's working perfectly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/preacherofnothing/my%20pics/give-a-funck.gif

~wickerman~

Mate i assure you it is definitely sarcasm, and your response is clear demonstration of how you lack wit and subtly. IMO.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Actually most of the world is run by liberals. Which explains why thier economy's suck and their daily lives are being run moreso by the mob then the state..

So what are some of these "liberal" states that are so bad? And by mob do you mean organised crime? And by your logic does it mean the more conservative and a state is the better it runs? So extremely conservative places like Iran should be an economic powerhouses?

Or by mob do you mean the people? That little group that is meant to be the corner stone of the much lauded political system known as democracy? The ones who are meant to have the power? The people that conservative groups throughout history have tried to keep as voiceless masses?

Originally posted by yahman
Mate i assure you it is definitely sarcasm, and your response is clear demonstration of how you lack wit and subtly. IMO.

Not really. Thought it was obvious i realized it was sarcasm and was also using sarcasm in my post.....but hey, some people are impervious to it i spose

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
Not really. Thought it was obvious i realized it was sarcasm and was also using sarcasm in my post.....but hey, some people are impervious to it i spose

~wickerman~

indeed they can be

Originally posted by Wickerman
Not really. Thought it was obvious i realized it was sarcasm and was also using sarcasm in my post.....but hey, some people are impervious to it i spose

~wickerman~

I just thought this was interesting in an off topic kind of way. People (often when on the receiving end) say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. However recent neurological and psychological studies seem to indicate that it could be one of the highest. Sarcasm engages higher cognitive functions and represents good analytical and creative skills as well as showing quick mental responses. Ergo in a way sarcasm, both creating and understanding it, represents a good level of intelligence.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I just thought this was interesting in an off topic kind of way. People (often when on the receiving end) say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. However recent neurological and psychological studies seem to indicate that it could be one of the highest. Sarcasm engages higher cognitive functions and represents good analytical and creative skills as well as showing quick mental responses. Ergo in a way sarcasm, both creating and understanding it, represents a good level of intelligence.

I suppose because its a reaction to more than one concept at once.

Precisely.

Originally posted by Wickerman
Should i forgive Italy ???

Should i forgive Turkey???


Should i forgive England???

Should i forgive England???

I can just go on and on and on and i'm not mentioning America because i have to leave for a while.......

~wickerman~





Should I forget Russia?
NO. I shouldn't because they are not even admitting all the crap they did.

Originally posted by Clovie




Should I forget Russia?
NO. I shouldn't because they are not even admitting all the crap they did.

Originally posted by Wickerman
I hope my point was made. What i intended to do was to make a satire of the earlier thread "Should i forgive germany?"

Complaining about what happened ages ago to OTHER people does nothing but make you out to be a fool and belittle the fact itself.

~wickerman~

I know what point you had.


and the thing is that in my case. what Russia has made. has an impact to nowadays life. it makes a tiny difference. and they're pretending nothing has happened. it hurts, you know?

Should I forgive the director, scriptwriter and actors of "Stealth"? I think not. They wasted three hours of my life, and that's a capital crime in my view, and at the very least I should get to throw tomatoes at them...

Originally posted by Clovie
I know what point you had.


and the thing is that in my case. what Russia has made. has an impact to nowadays life. it makes a tiny difference. and they're pretending nothing has happened. it hurts, you know?

America and England completely ignoring what was going on behind the Iron Curtain after having basically given all those countries to the USSR on a silver platter lead to the biggest downgrade in Romanian economic, cultural, etc. etc. life ever. The reason we got stuck "behind" was because of that. Between the two world wars, Romania was in the top oil makers in the world, we had the first streetlamps in the world, etc. etc. etc. The industry and everything were booming. And then England and America came along and farked it all up for us for nearly 40 years. But i don't blame them, and i don't blame the USSR. What;s done is done, the repercussions are felt VERY STRONGLY but unlike you i have the maturity to admit that there's no point in complaining about it anymore.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Clovie
I know what point you had.


and the thing is that in my case. what Russia has made. has an impact to nowadays life. it makes a tiny difference. and they're pretending nothing has happened. it hurts, you know?

All those things hurt Clovie sadly

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Should I forgive the director, scriptwriter and actors of "Stealth"? I think not. They wasted three hours of my life, and that's a capital crime in my view, and at the very least I should get to throw tomatoes at them...

Rob Cohen isn't THAT bad. Uwe Boll however needs to be stoned to death

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
America and England completely ignoring what was going on behind the Iron Curtain after having basically given all those countries to the USSR on a silver platter lead to the biggest downgrade in Romanian economic, cultural, etc. etc. life ever. The reason we got stuck "behind" was because of that. Between the two world wars, Romania was in the top oil makers in the world, we had the first streetlamps in the world, etc. etc. etc. The industry and everything were booming. And then England and America came along and farked it all up for us for nearly 40 years. But i don't blame them, and i don't blame the USSR. What;s done is done, the repercussions are felt VERY STRONGLY but unlike you i have the maturity to admit that there's no point in complaining about it anymore.

~wickerman~ apparently you're so much a better person than me.

Originally posted by Clovie
apparently you're so much a better person than me.

In certain areas perhaps, in others perhaps not.

~wickerman~

perhaps.

Originally posted by Wickerman
Rob Cohen isn't THAT bad. Uwe Boll however needs to be stoned to death

~wickerman~

I know, it's just that my rage is still fresh. I will get over it in time. And I agree about the Stoning. And Jamie Foxx is lucky he has Collateral, or I would steal that Oscar off him as punishment.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I know, it's just that my rage is still fresh. I will get over it in time. And I agree about the Stoning. And Jamie Foxx is lucky he has Collateral, or I would steal that Oscar off him as punishment.

Oh come on......Ray was good

~wickerman~

Oh yes, it was a good movie, it's just amazing to see how after quality films like Ray and Collateral (which he also deserved an Oscar for) he could end up on Stealth. I mean... *sigh*