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avis, i believe it was you who asked me where i got the stats, i got them from the dark side source book and sw revised core rule book both authorized by lucas.

by the way nai an everyone else, i know it sounds strange that kun would have a higher force defense than ragnos, but according to ragnos' stats, his challenge code is higher than kun's. the challenge code meaning how big of a threat the individual is, and ragnos' challenge code is the highest possible threat that can be achieved.

naga sadow:
force adept 4/sith acolyte 5/sith lord 5
str 16, dex 13, con 18, int 15, wis 15, cha 14

force skills:
affect mind 9, alchemy 12, battlemind 12, control mind 17, enhance ability 14, force defense 12, force grip 10, see force 10

feats:
armor proficiency (light, medium) exotic weapon proficiency (sith sword), force-sensitive, infamy, persuasive, sith sword defense, sith sword expertise, trustworthy, weapon focus (sith sword), weapon group proficiency (primitive weapons, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, drain force, force mind, sense, sith sorcery

lookin at these stats and ragnos' it is clear why sadow feared him, although he was one point stronger than ragnos, he was clearly out mached in swordsmanship and force abilities against ragnos.

ludo kressh:

force adept 4/ sith acolyte 10
str 16, dex 12, con 17, int 16, wis 14, cha 15

force skills:
affect mind 10, alchemy 13, battlemind 13, drain knowledge 8, enhance ability 10, fear 8, see force 9

feats:
armor proficiency (light and medium), exotic weapon proficiency (sith sword), force-sensitive, infamy, iron will, persuasive, power attack, weapon focus (sith sword), weapon group proficiency (primitive, and simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, dissipate energy, drain force, rage, sense, sith sorcery.

freedon nadd:
jedi guardian 5/sith acolyte 5
str 14, dex 13, con 14, int 16, wis 14, cha 13

force skills:
affect mind 9, alchemy 19, battlemind 14, fear 14, force defense 14, force grip 9, move object 15, see force 10

feats:
armor proficiency (light), exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber, and sith sword), force-sensitive, infamy, iron will, two-weapon fighting, weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, deflect blasters, lightsaber defense, hatred, rage, sense, sith sorcery.

darth bane: (with orbalisk armor)
jedi guardian 4/sith warrior 2/sith lord 10
str 21, dex 18, con 14, int 14, wis 18, cha 11

force skills:
alchemy 15, battlemind 13, empathy 6, enhance ability 10, farseeing 14, force defense 14, force grip 14, force push 4, force stealth 16, heal self 6, move object 7, see force 7, telepathy 7

feats: armor proficiency (light, medium, and heavy), cleave, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, power attack, weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, and simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, drain force, force lightning, hatred, knight defense, light saber defense, rage, sense, sith sorcery, sith sword defense.


darth sidious
noble 3/ dark side devotee 3/ sith acolyte 3/ sith lord 9
str 11, dex 11, con 13, int 18, wis 16, cha 15

force skills:
affect mind 13, alchemy 17, control mind 12, empathy 17, farseeing 23, fear 16, force defense 16, force grip 16, heal self 14, move object 12, see force 18, telepathy 20

feats:
exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, skill emphasis (farseeing, fear, knowledge: politics, telepathy), trustworthy, weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, dissipate energy, drain force, force lightning, force mastery, force mind, sense, sith sorcery.


darth maul:
soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2

force skills:
affect mind 3, battlemind 13, force defense 11, force grip 13, force push 8, force stealth 5, move object 12, see force 8

feats:
armor proficiency (light), exotic weapon proficiency (double-bladed lightsaber, light saber), expertise, force sensitive, heroic surge, power attack, two-weapon fighting, weapon finesse (double-bladed lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster rifles, heavy weapons, simple weapons, vibro weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, deflect blasters, lightsaber defense, rage, sense.

sorry to sound stupid as hell but what does this mean
soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2
or this battlemind alchemy empathy str 11, dex 11, con 13, int 18, wis 16, cha 15 etc.

if it is not to hard please explain to me in DETAIL sorry to sound like a jackas$ and ask so much

darth vader
fringer 1/ jedi guardian 11/ sith lord 6
str 16, dex 16, con 17, int 17, wis 11, cha 12

force skills:
affect mind 8, battlemind 8, enhance ability 11, farseeing 6, force defense 13, force grip 15, force push 7, move object 20, see force 13, telepathy 14

feats:
exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, skill emphasis (pilot), starship operation (starfighters), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons, vibro weapons), weapon focus (lightsaber)

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, deflect blasters, knight defense, lightsaber defense, force whirlwind, prolong force, rage, sense


exar kun (as a dark side spirit)
wherever there is a *, kun is unable to employ these skills
- is non-existant
jedi guardion 9/ sith lord 8
str 16, dex 16, con -, int 14, wis 11, cha 17

force skills:
affect mind 13, alchemy* 20, battlemind* 18, enhance ability * 13, force defense* 21, force push* 14, move object* 14, see force 12

feats:
ambidexterity, exotic weapon proficiency (double-bladed lightsaber, lightsaber), force sensitive, heroic surge, two-weapon fighting, weapon focus (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons, vibro weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, deflect blasters*, force lightning*, knight defense, lightsaber defense, master defense, rage, sense, sith sorcery

Originally posted by Darth Avis
sorry to sound stupid as hell but what does this mean
soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2
or this battlemind alchemy empathy str 11, dex 11, con 13, int 18, wis 16, cha 15 etc.

if it is not to hard please explain to me in DETAIL sorry to sound like a jackas$ and ask so much

i'll explain all the words and classes, at my last post, i'm about to post mace, dooku and yoda. and obi wan

Oh please...stop that stats posting...it's useless...

obi-wan kenobi (beginning of ep 2)
jedi guardian, jedi master 2/jedi investigator
str 15, dex 16, con 14, int 13, wis 13, cha 13

force skills:
affect mind 9, battlemind 7, enhance ability 7, force stealth 6, force strike 7, move object 7, see force 9

feats:
acrobatic, dodge, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, quick draw, weapon finesse (lightsaber), weapon group proficiencies (blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, knight defense, lightsaber defense, sense

obi-wan kenobi (beginning of ep 4)
str 14, dex 15, con 13, int 14, wis 15, cha 14

force skills:
affect mind 11, battlemind 9, enhance ability 9, farseeing 9, force stealth 8, force strike 9, move object 10, see force 11

feats:
acrobatic, dodge, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, improved critical (lightsaber) low profile, quick draw, weapon finesse (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, control, knight defense, lightsaber defense, master defense, sense.

mech-vader (beginning of ep 4)
fringer 1/jedi guardian 11/sith lord 6
str 16, dex 16, con 17, int 14, wis 12, cha 13 (i noticed a change in his int in two sources, perhaps these stats are from different points in vader's life)

force skills:
affect mind 8, battlemind 7, enahnce ability 11, farseeing 6, fear 11, force defense 12, force grip 13, force strike 7, move object 9, see force 8, telepathy 12

feats: same as posted previously

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, force whirlwind, knight defense, lightsaber defense, malevolent, mettle, power attack, rage, sense.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Oh please...stop that stats posting...it's useless...

other people asked me to do so, so i thought being friendly, i'd do so... if it bugs you why not ignore the post then?

A mistake of them to try and give levels the ancient Sith... it's only going to piss people off.

Worth noting that the highest level there is 18, which you can get past in KOTOR in about ten hour's play. Perspective out the window there methinks...

They totally cocked up Vader, of course; his stats are insanely high for a cripple. But then, the official SW RPs have always got these things wrong; they never look properly at the source material.

yoda (beginning of ep 2)
jedi consular 10/jedi master 10
str 8, dex 12, con 14, int 15, wis 19, cha 17

force skills:
affect mind 25, empathy 26, farseeing 25, force defense 17, heal another 11, heal self 20, move object 20, see force 25

feats:
blind-fight, combat reflexes, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), fame, force-sensitive, skill emphasis (empathy), weapon focus (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency ( blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, dissipate energy, force mastery, force mind, high force mastery, improved force mind, lightsaber defense, sense.

mace windu (beginning of ep 2)
jedi guardian 9/jedi master 9
str 12, dex 14, con 15, int 16, wis 17, cha 18

force skills:
affect mind 16, battlemind 16, empathy 9, farseeing 12, force defense 13, force strike 13, move object 19, see force 16

feats:
acrobatic, blind-fight, combat expertise, dodge, exotic weapon group proficiency (lightsaber), force sensitive, mobility, power attack, spring attack, weapon finesse (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons), whirlwind attack

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, knight defense, lightsaber defense, master defense, sense.

count dooku (beginning of ep 2)
jedi guardian 15/sith lord 3
str 12, dex 14, con 13, int 16, wis 15, cha 16

force skills:
affect mind 12, battlemind 14, empathy 6, enhance ability 8, force defense 15, force grip 9, force stealth 7, force strike 14, heal self 5, move object 11, see force 6

feats:
combat expertise, combat reflexes, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, improved initiative, iron will, persuasive, weapon focus (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, attuned, control, force mastery, force whirlwind, knight defense, lightsaber defense, master defense, mettle, sense

Originally posted by Darth Avis
sorry to sound stupid as hell but what does this mean
soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2
or this battlemind alchemy empathy str 11, dex 11, con 13, int 18, wis 16, cha 15 etc.

if it is not to hard please explain to me in DETAIL sorry to sound like a jackas$ and ask so much

soldier 1, is like a soldier and the number representing the level.
alchemy is one of the skills that allowed sadow or kun to physically alter the massassi race through experiments making them more formidable in combat.

marauder is simply one of the classes that is found in kotor 2 if i remember, they focus on combat specifically. sith warrior, as i understand it, is the exact opposite of say, a jedi guardian, the dark version - as played in kotor.

empathy allows you to reach into the force and read a target's surface emotions, getting a sense of the target's state of mind.

battlemind allows you to increase your prowess in combat using the force to enhance your concentration and committment in battle.

the numbers beside the physical and mental attributes, such as str 11, is strength 11 - the number being how strong you are. marka ragnos, and vader having a str of 16, is considered extremely high.

if you have any more questions ask or pm me.

so streangth means how much you can bench press? what does dex, con, int (intellect?), wis (wisedom?), and cha mean? and soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2 means he is a bad soldier good marauder great warrior and a bad sith lord right? what is 1? Jedi padawan? what is the max?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
A mistake of them to try and give levels the ancient Sith... it's only going to piss people off.

Worth noting that the highest level there is 18, which you can get past in KOTOR in about ten hour's play. Perspective out the window there methinks...

They totally cocked up Vader, of course; his stats are insanely high for a cripple. But then, the official SW RPs have always got these things wrong; they never look properly at the source material.

i do agree that some of the stats are "cocked" up, for such as vader.... and under par for some of the ancient sith but then again, how is the power of blowing up a star system going to be displayed in there.

sorry if it pisses anyone off, nai, or anyone else for that matter. just was asked to do so. i take them, the stats, with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
so streangth means how much you can bench press? what does dex, con, int (intellect?), wis (wisedom?), and cha mean? and soldier 1/ dark side marauder 3/sith warrior 6/ sith lord 2 means he is a bad soldier good marauder great warrior and a bad sith lord right? what is 1? Jedi padawan? what is the max?

i wouldn't say how much you can bench press, i think it would mean over all strength, but yah if that makes sense to you then sure.

sorry, dex is dexterity - think of it as agility how well one can move etc.

constitution means the physical well being and hardiness of the character, example, someone with a high constitution is in very good shape conditioning wise, they have lots of stamina and can endure a lot of phyical stress..

int, is intellect, yes. wis, is wisdom, yes. cha is short for charisma.
as for your questions about jedi padawan i don't know i don't recall reading that, but i'd assume a level 1 jedi guardian would be a padawan.

yes, level 5 is decent and up is better and better. obviously the lower the rank, the more inexperienced one is. the max was never stated, but it seems to be 20 to me, which, i do have a problem with because in other games and sources, you go well beyond level 20....

so technically speaking because of this, characters like ragnos, kun, revan, or yoda, imo should be WELL above 20. that is, if you wanted to place a "level" on every single character.

but, however, don't get too caught up in the level game. i'll give a real life example, i do brazilian ju-jitsu. two guys i train with, one guy is 4 stripes on his purple belt, and another guy just has a purple belt, no stripes and is a lower rank..... but, the guy with the higher rank.... 9 times out of 10, loses against the guy with the lower rank.

i do tae-kwan-do and this black belt and i (brown belt 3 belts away from black) easily won but i was of coarse older but still