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You can have Dooku or Malak on the team. This is uber Kun and Ulic is at his peak, Yoda mace and dooku are ROTS and Malak is at his peak.

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Ulic was able to stand against Exar alone. Add any of the others and he wins.

Oh crap! When did I hit 4000? Damn. I forgot to do one of those --- post!!! Yay.

well Exar can turn the others into dolls. He does this and then defeats Ulic. The rest are easy picking. this is uber Kun who got MUCH stronger then ulic

Damn. Half the forum became Exar fanboys over knight.

Uber Exar isn't THAT powerful. Ulic did very well against him. Yoda is 300 years older than Vodo, so arguably more experinced. Yoda alone would lose, but it wouldn't be in 10 seconds. With Ulic helping, Yoda could easily survive for quite some time. Add Malak or Dooku and Exar is going down.

im not a fanboy!!!!!!!!!!! i just like him since he can beat NJO luke.

Vodo has seen more then yoda but i give yoda the stronger position. 20 seconds. Malak dooku and mace can be thrown around and Kun can beat yoda and ulic because he can easily kill one probably Ulic. yoda comes next and will die in 20 seconds ( im calling him twice as strong as vodo!!) Mace and dooku/malak are rag dolls

Ulic fought for a long time against Exar already. Exar killing Vodo in ten seconds I believe was an exageration. Malak or Dooku would only tip the scales futher against Exar.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Damn. Half the forum became Exar fanboys over knight.

Uber Exar isn't THAT powerful. Ulic did very well against him. Yoda is 300 years older than Vodo, so arguably more experinced. Yoda alone would lose, but it wouldn't be in 10 seconds. With Ulic helping, Yoda could easily survive for quite some time. Add Malak or Dooku and Exar is going down.

Amen to that, Exar would get owned pretty bad.

Whats so special about him that this whole forum became Exar fanboys?

And who the heck is Uber Kun? Is it something you guys made up?

1 uber kun is exar kun at his peak (which is very high)
2 it is called seperate. hell read this this is how it goes. Exar jumps into the air and uses a force crush (he is a supreme master of the force) to kill, ohh, mace who jumped after him or didnt your choice but mace dies. Then when landing he uses a push to land safely. He charges dooku with lightning. remember this Exar>sids>dooku in the force. Kun can put so much power into his lightning that he knocks dookus lightsaber out of dookus hands before yoda reaches Kun. While dookus blade is in the air Exar will use a crush to break it. He will jump when yoda is right behind him and slay and unarmed dooku. Yoda is green sushi.

Now let me explain all this. Exar is Exar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mace in force powers so ripping the guys lungs or heart out will be easy.

Now the lightsaber is held in a HAND. When the huge amount of lightning hits a guy that cant bench press 20 pounds his blade is going flying. the rest is self explanitory.
that is from the mace yoda and dooku thread. adding ulic is harder but like this.

Exar uses a HUGE force push to knock mace and dooku and Malak away. He paries strikes from the remaining two and knocks yoda away. In a blast of sith lightning Exar hits yoda knocking the old master out. Exar parries with Ulic while using the force to keep the other 3 at bay. with his double bladed lightsaber Kun beats Ulic just as Yoda gets up. Exar sends a blast of lightning at Malak who is on the ground killing him. Exar jumps into the air and uses a force crush (he is a supreme master of the force) to kill, ohh, mace who jumped after him or didnt your choice but mace dies. Then when landing he uses a push to land safely. He charges dooku with lightning. remember this Exar>sids>dooku in the force. Kun can put so much power into his lightning that he knocks dookus lightsaber out of dookus hands before yoda reaches Kun. While dookus blade is in the air Exar will use a crush to break it. He will jump when yoda is right behind him and slay and unarmed dooku. Yoda is green sushi.

Talk about a Exar fanboy.

Okay okay im a fanboy but i can make some points for him.

Those are complete BS! If Exar didn't concentrate every single bit of his energy towards Ulic he could be beaten very quickly.

i thought so. still we can all agree that exar is stronger then ulic and how hard is it to use a force push

Still you're making it sound like he would easily throw Yoda (perhaps the greatest defensive force user in history) around like a ragdoll!

good point. Then he throws Ulic like a rag doll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well he beat vodo easy as hell and he can beat yoda in a saber duel as well. he just he to seperate them which will be hard but all to possible.

Do you know how stupid you are sounding? He beat Vodo beacuse he wasn't using a lightsaber and I don't think he beat Vodo as easy as people say he did. And have you not paid attention to the posts by Nai Fohl concerning Yoda in lightsaber combat!?

nai is biased. Okay lets say Vodo was using a lightsaber. would it have made a diffrence? well did vodo get a hit on Exar? no? so what does it change anything? well okay not 10 seconds but it was short. and yea Uber ulic is to strong. lets make it ulic right after his fight with Kun or powerful ulic as i like to call him.

First off Nai is a very intelligent person. As not getting a hit in he was using a freaking walking stick. Yes that changes everything. You got me there. WTF! Now you're making Ulic weaker to make sure he wins. If anyones biased here its you.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
First off Nai is a very intelligent person. As not getting a hit in he was using a freaking walking stick. Yes that changes everything. You got me there. WTF! Now you're making Ulic weaker to make sure he wins. If anyones biased here its you.

lets all calm down

Nai is probably one of the most intellegent people here and i am an exar fanboy (dont worry my fanboyisams change nightly) but nai even said that he is yoda biest but still

Please calmly explain to me how a walking stick changes everything.

I am making Ulic weaker so it will be a fairer fight.

and once again i am a fanboy of Exar (for today maybe i will be a Malak fanboy tommorow?)

Now lets all calm dowm

A walking stick changes everything because Vodo wouldn't be able to hurt anybody except a baby with it. And even if you make Ulic weaker Exar will still get owned.

I hope you like my old sig, Avis. Brought it back just for you.

Avis, if you had a walking stick and I had a lightsaber, I would waste you, even if you were a better sword fighter than me.

yes but if you replace them the fight will go THE SAME WAY. that is what i am trying to say. and what do you mean by "I brought back my old sig just for you, Avis."

How will the fight go the same way?

ohh mean person!!!!!!!!!
Well Exar will walk in freez the senete and now Vodo will get his lightsaber and then they will block and strike and die the same way. thats what i mean.

Just to let you know, it didn't take 10 seconds even with the stick and with a lightsaber it would take longer.

Wow. . .

Avis, that scenario was ridiculous. You require no further input on that matter, I believe.

As for all those people who say that Exar only beat Vodo because of this, or Vodo lost because of that; no. Exar is just that good. Why in hell would Vodo use a weapon that he sucks with when going on to challenge one of the most powerful beings in history? Master Bass was a dueling grandmaster. He used a walking stick for purposes unknown, but there is no possible way that the use of that particular weapon would lessen his ability.

Now, if you have read the comic, you would know what you're talking about. Exar, after dueling Vodo for, read it, six panels, ignites the second blade of his lightsaber, and on the next page, cleaves Bass in two. So yes, he defeated him in seconds, and without a hell of a lot of difficulty.


Am I saying that Yoda would get wasted in seconds? No. But he will fall, and somewhat quickly. Sure, his small size and agility make him impossible to strike for all but the best duelists. But Exar Kun, well, he's in a league of his own. He had speed like no other (note his saber's shape and size), mammoth strength (. . . ), and raw power that caused tremors as he walked. Not to mention his total mastery of the Dark Side (Sith spells that could freeze an entire chamber, and rituals that could drain the life force of an entire bloody race).

As for the others. Well, Ulic is an army of his own, and although lacking the insane qualities of Kun, he is incredibly powerful. The only one here outside of Yoda who could give Dark Lord more than twenty seconds's work. The rest are fodder. Mace may be able to hang with Exar for a few seconds due to Shatterpoint and his Vaapad, but unless everyone is holding off Kun, his Shatterpoint ability won't be able to find his enemy's weakness before he's sabered apart. Dooku, even with his Makashi mastery, wouldn't be able to last ten seconds here. He lacks the even minimal advantage possessed by Windu's style, and his form will be instantly familiar to Kun. Note the time period. Lastly, Malak won't last long either. While he was a formidable swordsman, Exar has the advantage in everything, speed, power, mobility, etcetera.

Basically, Yoda and Ulic are the only combatants here who wouldn't be vanquished by a few seconds worth of fighting. Remember, just because you have five powerful beings against one doesn't mean that you have a single entity with the ability of those five. I highly doubt that there is going to be much teamwork going on here. I'm not saying he wins or loses. Just trying to clear some things up. But regardless, Exar has a good chance here. Consider all the variables. Environment, tactical thinking, somebody tripping, whatever. Think about it.

Are you forgetting Exar would have to fight him for an extremely long time?

<<im not a fanboy!!!!!!!!!!! i just like him since he can beat NJO luke.>>

if that is the reason you like kun so much, then you should be leaning more towards ragnos, or any other ancient sith - i'm sure they can kick either kun's or luke's ass.

i guess i'm kinda to blame for the fanboyism cause of posting kun's stats the day before and some saw that according to the stats he had a rather, "exceptional" force defense.

anyhow, kun would lose this. i'm not saying he would lose against yoda... but if you throw in mace and ulic, yoda and ulic, dooku and ulic, or malak and ulic - kun, IMO is going to to be DECIMATED.

he was better than ulic but not much better, their first fight went on for a very long time and obviously kun couldn't find any flaw or weakness in ulic's fighting ability. throw in dooku, or malak for example, or even sidious (even though he's not on the list), kun wouldn't be able to defend against force attacks from them, and defend against the melee attacks of ulic at the same time.

if he tried to take out someone else, ulic would cut him down, if he'd try to defend against a force attack, ulic would cut him down. if he's busy in melee with ulic, he'll be bombarded by force attacks and broken down.

even though i think kun is better than yoda or mace, if you have ulic with either of them, kun could no way take his attention off of ulic for very long, and i doubt kun could kill yoda or mace very quickly. i don't care which sith you're talking about, yoda or mace alone, although would die, wouldn't be easy kills especially yoda.
that being said, kun is frustrated by ulic and yoda, or mace, (whomever you choose) would get in a killing blow. or if kun tried to kill yoda or mace, ulic would cut him down rather quickly.

Just because it goes from Exar igniting his lightsaber to Vodo cut in half doesn't mean that Exar killed him in a really short amount of time. It is similar to The Handmaiden killing her sisters in KOTOR 2. Its just a few frames later that they fall to the ground dead, but did she kill them that fast? Nope. We could also argue surprise from the first double-bladed lightsaber.

Abominus, I don't think your stats did it.

And isn't this the same guy who made a Yoda sucks thread?

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Wow. . .

Avis, that scenario was ridiculous. You require no further input on that matter, I believe.

As for all those people who say that Exar only beat Vodo because of this, or Vodo lost because of that; no. Exar is just that good. Why in hell would Vodo use a weapon that he sucks with when going on to challenge one of the most powerful beings in history? Master Bass was a dueling grandmaster. He used a walking stick for purposes unknown, but there is no possible way that the use of that particular weapon would lessen his ability.

Now, if you have read the comic, you would know what you're talking about. Exar, after dueling Vodo for, read it, six panels, ignites the second blade of his lightsaber, and on the next page, cleaves Bass in two. So yes, he defeated him in seconds, and without a hell of a lot of difficulty.


Am I saying that Yoda would get wasted in seconds? No. But he will fall, and somewhat quickly. Sure, his small size and agility make him impossible to strike for all but the best duelists. But Exar Kun, well, he's in a league of his own. He had speed like no other (note his saber's shape and size), mammoth strength (. . . ), and raw power that caused tremors as he walked. Not to mention his total mastery of the Dark Side (Sith spells that could freeze an entire chamber, and rituals that could drain the life force of an entire bloody race).

As for the others. Well, Ulic is an army of his own, and although lacking the insane qualities of Kun, he is incredibly powerful. The only one here outside of Yoda who could give Dark Lord more than twenty seconds's work. The rest are fodder. Mace may be able to hang with Exar for a few seconds due to Shatterpoint and his Vaapad, but unless everyone is holding off Kun, his Shatterpoint ability won't be able to find his enemy's weakness before he's sabered apart. Dooku, even with his Makashi mastery, wouldn't be able to last ten seconds here. He lacks the even minimal advantage possessed by Windu's style, and his form will be instantly familiar to Kun. Note the time period. Lastly, Malak won't last long either. While he was a formidable swordsman, Exar has the advantage in everything, speed, power, mobility, etcetera.

Basically, Yoda and Ulic are the only combatants here who wouldn't be vanquished by a few seconds worth of fighting. Remember, just because you have five powerful beings against one doesn't mean that you have a single entity with the ability of those five. I highly doubt that there is going to be much teamwork going on here. I'm not saying he wins or loses. Just trying to clear some things up. But regardless, Exar has a good chance here. Consider all the variables. Environment, tactical thinking, somebody tripping, whatever. Think about it. stop just stop your supreme intellect is killing me. you are to smart loloooooollllllllllllooooooooooooolllllllll

And i admit i am an Exar fanboy

Originally posted by Lord Simus
And isn't this the same guy who made a Yoda sucks thread? you guys misunderstood that thread. i meant that the only reason yoda is so good is because he had 900 years to train

IM not answering anything because this is just ridiculous.

read Faunus's post

@ AA, Then please do not post in here.

There is no way in hell Exar can take on Ulic, Yoda, Mace, or Malak/Dooku at the same time. It's just not possible, so if you think Exar can take them all on at the same time, then you're just insane.

These are words of great wisdom, listen to it.

All of you are trying to think you can simply add the 5 other variables like a mathematical formula. You can't!

There is no way they would work cohesively enough with enough collusion to have their abilities stack perfectly. So yes, Kun would probably lose this fight, but he has a chance. To admit otherwise would be character hating.

Vodo losing because he had a walking stick is a cop out. He CHOOSES to wield a walking stick. He could just as easily carry a lightsaber. I highly doubt that a Jedi grandmaster wields a weapon he is not proficient in.



Stop being so close-minded. Outside of Ulic and Yoda, Exar is a good deal better than any of the other competitors.

If you add Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar to AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin, is it guaranteed Dooku would lose? No.

Your last analogy sucks. Exar vs. these guys is like Dooku vs. Mace, ROTS Obi-wan(a little weaker than Yoda next to Exar), and Anakin. Dooku would go down. So would Exar.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Your last analogy sucks. Exar vs. these guys is like Dooku vs. Mace, ROTS Obi-wan(a little weaker than Yoda next to Exar), and Anakin. Dooku would go down. So would Exar.

No it wouldn't. YOUR counteranalogy sucks. Mace alone could make a case for defeating Dooku. In this fight, none of the plug and play parts is equal to Exar Kun.

I said if you add Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto to AOTC Anakin and AOTC Obi-Wan, it doesn't guarantee Dooku's defeat. That analogy is perfectly valid because individuals like Malak, Mace, and/or Dooku are not that strong compared to Exar. The heavy hitters will STILL be Yoda and Ulic even with the three additional parts.

Then you're attempting to say that the 5 parts here will work with perfect cohesiveness and make a perfect team. Chances are against this, and even if they did, it's not simply adding their powers and pitting it against one guy like in math.

1 + 1 does not always equal 2 in a fight.

Mace alone is about equal to Dooku. Ulic is about equal to Exar. AOTC Obi-wan is way less than Mace by Exar. I don't even know where AOTC Anakin would fit in this. Dooku has shown himself to be near Yoda, as has Mace. Malak is probably better than Dooku or Mace.

Those guys are definatly closer to Exar than AOTC Obi-wan is to Dooku.

And if I did think 1 1=2 then I would say Ulic plus almost anyone is better than Exar.

Originally posted by Illustrious
These are words of great wisdom, listen to it.

All of you are trying to think you can simply add the 5 other variables like a mathematical formula. You can't!

There is no way they would work cohesively enough with enough collusion to have their abilities stack perfectly. So yes, Kun would probably lose this fight, but he has a chance. To admit otherwise would be character hating.

Vodo losing because he had a walking stick is a cop out. He CHOOSES to wield a walking stick. He could just as easily carry a lightsaber. I highly doubt that a Jedi grandmaster wields a weapon he is not proficient in.



Stop being so close-minded. Outside of Ulic and Yoda, Exar is a good deal better than any of the other competitors.

If you add Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar to AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin, is it guaranteed Dooku would lose? No.

Ulic is almost as good as Exar, Yoda is close to Exars level, Mace is good but not important, and Malak/Dooku is also very good. So basically this all adds up, and you're telling me Kun is gonna win? Are you kidding me? You should stop being the close-minded one.

Because Ulic isn't "about equal" to Exar in his later stages, he was probably the second best individual in the galaxy at the time, but he wasn't "about equal" to him, even when they were "stalemated" Exar was superior, and by all accounts, he was the individual that improved more.

Again, where is it that you get off saying someone like Dooku or Mace isn't as insignificant to Exar as Obi-Wan is to Dooku? Back this claim up.



Really, so you are attempting to do algebra with Star Wars characters after assuming their power levels in accordance to Exar. Do you have any martial arts experience? I'd call out logical fallacy on that, but I doubt you'd recognize it when it hits you.

All I'm saying is Exar is superior by a noticable degree to any competitor against him, and he is not simply being a victim of addition. Would he likely lose? Absolutely, but to say he can't win is being stupid, as there is no evidence to show that the 5 of them could even be cohesive.

Glentract, this goes back to the Ragnos purge thread that you had so much trouble understanding, there is hardly any way where you can even have more than a few attacks go towards his direction, and Exar is almost certainly faster than any of the individuals here.

Again, to say he has no chance is being closed-minded.

Well if he would likely lose then just stop and calm down. That's all I wanted to hear. He would lose. He would lose but I know for a fact he would of killed like 2 people before he went out.

Did I ever say Exar has no chance of winning?

Show me that Exar DOES make Mace look like Obi-wan vs. Dooku. Prove that Exar increased more than Ulic did from when they stalemated.

"The ground shook under his feat."

Big deal. That could just as easily show he has no control over his power or is dumb and makes a conscious shakes the ground.

And although we can't tell for sure who the victor would be, or at least the victor a majority of the time, math can be helpful.

This of it this way. If we add my strength, speed, knowledge into a point system, and do the same to yours, then if you are twice what I have, then you are probably going to win.

Although they might not form a perfect team, they have over double his power.

Ever heard the saying 2+2=5? You could apply that, but I know you aren't going to, so we will go your way for the time. Either way, Ulic is overpowered.

Because it's not as simple as you saying he WILL lose. I'd give him 3/10 odds for winning, actually.



You never acknowledged the contrary. Instead, when Faunus or myself argued it, you said we were fanboys.



No they don't. I don't know where you came with "double his power" from, because a team is limited by their cohesion. An individual would under no circumstance be able to wield their singular abilities to their fullest.

Any other reference towards adding their powers or point system is simply oversimplifying an equation.



I guess I'll have to find it in the same place where you found "Those guys are definatly closer to Exar than AOTC Obi-wan is to Dooku."

Wasn't it you in that other thread that said you have to prove something, not the others have to prove against it automatically? I called Avis a fanboy. I never specified you or Faunus.

You haven't shown that Exar gained a lot of power where Ulic did not. Until then, my proof that he is about equal(when he fought him and Ragnos interfered.) stands. So does me saying Yoda is near his power. Mace, Dooku and Malak are all near Yoda.

If Exar has 15 gigawatts of energy and Ulic has 14, then Ulic is close to Exar in power. If Yoda has twelve and Dooku, Mace, and Malak have 10, then they are still close to Exar in power. 2/3 of his power. I agree, this is oversimplified, but it is helpful.

You also can't prove that Exar can move as fast as all of them working together. They don't all have to swing at the same time. Ulic must be around his speed, because Ulic stood against him, which you haven't proved otherwise, so acording to your beliefs, it stands. Yoda is fast. Maybe not as fast as Ulic, but if he can fill that gap between Ulic and Exar, then Exar dies. He isn't going to slow Ulic down if he is on the other side of Exar. Even without perfect intergration, their collective speed is higher than his.

i would like to point this out. Exar beat Vodo because first he toyed with vodo and then ignighted his second end of his blade and killed vodo in like 3 seconds so for real it was only a 3 second fight. it is commen sence to say that vodo is better then Mace dooku and Malak so exar can beat them in like 3-7 each seconds and then beat yoda and ulic.

^Oh my god, you should just slap yourself right now.

Originally posted by D_CP
^Oh my god, you should just slap yourself right now.

While I often don't agree with the way Avis comes to conclusions, I think you yourself need to be a little more respectful on average. You are new, and I haven't seen much logical debate come out of you; just bitching and bashing.

well that is if Exar can find the time and faunus or anyone else who read the comics how did Exar stop the jedi and drain the Massasi and remove the sun crusher and Janus do you think what i said is at least possible

Avis, we don't even know how powerful Vodo really is. We know he is good, but seriously, you guys are more intelligent to look at guys who look similar(in height) and are both really old and automatically think they are equal or at least close to equal. And if each frame(whatever you call them in comics) is only two seconds, then no fight in that time is more than 12 seconds or so. That doesn't make anysense, because we never hear of this in any other time.

well they are both head of the order, lightsaber grandmasters, quick and powerful. seem the same to me. also how much time does one need to learn to fight? They probably spent half or more of there very long life MEDITATING. I mean 600 years of only fight training? makes no sence. i may be wrong so please correct me.

Doesn't matter. They lived in completly different times. They fought completly different opponents. They weren't even the same species. Do you really think that the Jedi view on the force didn't change over 4000 years?

true, but still. If Vodo had any uber trick he would have used it to stay alive. he doesnt. We can susspect that he is very strong like yoda. we can say he is very wise like yoda. we cant say he was green and that is not important. It doesnt matter what specias he is since that doesnt matter. We know he was the same rank as yoda and that is preety much all that REALLY matters. They probably fight the same.

OMFG...since when has Kun become so powerful that he can take down Ulic, Yoda, Mace, Malak and Dooku?

Since the birth of fanboys.

Avis, yiu can say he is as strong as Yoda. You can say he is as wise. How do you know they were the same ranK? And on top of that, being the same rank doens't make them equal in power. Marka and Malak were both DLOS, but Marka would beat the sh!t out of Malak. I am curious as to what made you so naive over the last few days.

Uh, actually to my knowledge, Vodo is the only grandmaster in the jedi order. Technically, I think, Yoda is the grandmaster of his order, as I recall reading it somewhere, but it might have been some piece of shit EU novel by some subrate author.

I read the same thing somewhere. Yoda was a grandmaster.

It's in one of the novels. I'll figure it out eventually. Point being, the title isn't bestowed lightly. Either it's related directly to ability or position within the order or both.

And for all we know, the ancient jedi order may have had up to three or more grandmasters, seeing as they did have three branches of the order back then (Sentinels, consulars, guardians, etc,) I'd also like to point out that the title Watchman was bestowed to jedi masters who guard and observe certain areas, such as a planet or even a solar system.