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Acherontia Tonk's Husband

-=- Fate When We Are Born -=-

I remeber Readin Somehwere That your "Fate" Of wheither you go to Hell or Heaven is chosen when you are born, so basically, whatever you do during your life is not important because your fate is already written....

debbiejo Dreamer

Oh...that's just predestination teaching, if you're taking it from Biblical sources...

Don't believe it.

Acherontia Tonk's Husband

Hum, Sowhere nto supposed to beleive parts of the bible? please enlighten me, Which other parts arn't we suppose to beleive.

debbiejo Dreamer

All of it.........

Echuu Master Jedi

The bible doesn't teach predestination. That's Calvinism.

As I said once before...God KNOWS what's going to happen in the end but he is not controlling our lives.

debbiejo Dreamer

You're right!...It is Calvinsim...and it contracts other scriptures...like the one that says "Christ died for all, especially the sinners."..Said by Paul.

Echuu Master Jedi

Originally posted by debbiejo
You're right!...It is Calvinsim...and it contracts other scriptures...like the one that says "Christ died for all, especially the sinners."..Said by Paul.

Yes, and it is very annoying. It twists the truth of scriptures.

debbiejo Dreamer

Sure does...But you can't tell a Calvinist that...They'll come up with some main scripture, but at the present moment..I can't remember what it is...But still the predestination is sad...very sad...cause no matter what you do, if you weren't chosen from the beginning, you aint gonna make it...people cry because of this...trying like all hell, and then hoping they will make it.

Echuu Master Jedi

Originally posted by debbiejo
Sure does...But you can't tell a Calvinist that...They'll come up with some main scripture, but at the present moment..I can't remember what it is...

No course not. They'll just take scripture out of context and then when that is refuted they will yell at you.

debbiejo Dreamer

I used to say.......sooooooooo....what does it matter...why then preach the gospel, cause everything is predestined anyway...Why would god have people born just to have to suffer in hell for eternity...sounds like making people including babies was a waste of time, if they're gonna suffer for eternity....What kind of god is that?...Why not just not make those people then....it is really a strange doctrine.

Echuu Master Jedi

Originally posted by debbiejo
I used to say.......sooooooooo....what does it matter...why then preach the gospel, cause everything is predestined anyway...Why would god have people born just to have to suffer in hell for eternity...sounds like making people including babies was a waste of time, if they're gonna suffer for eternity....What kind of god is that?...Why not just not make those people then....it is really a strange doctrine.

That is an excellent point.

Atlantis001 The one without a name

Originally posted by debbiejo
All of it.........

😂 How did you know what I was thinking !?

Acherontia Tonk's Husband

Originally posted by debbiejo
All of it.........

😄 thank you... iwas about to say "Genesus Through Wahetever comes in last" but I wasn't sure on your views and scince I had a lot of heated Religious debates int he past...

Acherontia Tonk's Husband

Jesus Died for all of humanities Sins, Yet we are still born with original sin?

Echuu Master Jedi

Originally posted by Acherontia
Jesus Died for all of humanities Sins, Yet we are still born with original sin?

Uh...yes? Something wrong with that?

We can go to him anytime to ask forgiveness of our sins...

finti Senior Member

Jesus Died for all of humanities Sins, Yet we are still born with original sin?

Uh...yes? Something wrong with that?
We can go to him anytime to ask forgiveness of our sins

so you have to ask forgivness first on behalf of "our" outspring first since you are born with original sin

sonnet Angeloflight

Re: -=- Fate When We Are Born -=-

Originally posted by Acherontia
I remeber Readin Somehwere That your "Fate" Of wheither you go to Hell or Heaven is chosen when you are born, so basically, whatever you do during your life is not important because your fate is already written....

You definitely did not get this from the Bible. And it is absolute nonsence. Your choices in life depends your fate regardless of what faith you are.

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by debbiejo
I used to say.......sooooooooo....what does it matter...why then preach the gospel, cause everything is predestined anyway...Why would god have people born just to have to suffer in hell for eternity...sounds like making people including babies was a waste of time, if they're gonna suffer for eternity....What kind of god is that?...Why not just not make those people then....it is really a strange doctrine.

Just to add, if our lives where predestined by God, there would have been no reason for Jesus to die. Predestination is not a doctrine found in the Bible because it is not from God but man made.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by sonnet
Just to add, if our lives where predestined by God, there would have been no reason for Jesus to die. Predestination is not a doctrine found in the Bible because it is not from God but man made.

Tell me something? Does the god of The Bible know everything that ever has happened or ever will happen? You know being omniscient, omnipotent etc and all. If he/she/it does know everything that will happen then how is that not predestination. Nothing can happen contrary to god's knowledge as this would prove him fallible and therefore not omnipotent, thus everything must happen according to god's knowledge, thus everything is predestined under an omniscient god.

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Tell me something? Does the god of The Bible know everything that ever has happened or ever will happen? You know being omniscient, omnipotent etc and all. If he/she/it does know everything that will happen then how is that not predestination. Nothing can happen contrary to god's knowledge as this would prove him fallible and therefore not omnipotent, thus everything must happen according to god's knowledge, thus everything is predestined under an omniscient god.

God has all knowledge about evrything we will ever know: science, medical, technological etc. When he created man he gave man a will of his own which man used to his own downfall even still today. God does not sit somewhere and watch our evey move and knows what every person will decide every second of the day - he does not have to because he gave the solution to salvation from the fate he decided for the earth and Satan. But you as a person needs to accept His offering of salvation to not be included in His wrath. There in lies your choice. If God knew who would be saved and who not He would have not sacrificed Jesus to die. Earth and the fate of this world is already set by God, but your own fate lies in the choices you make. God left that up to you and me.