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It could be just a fake, but the light seems too exact, and remember what happent with the "no, that new emperor on esb is a fake"

starwars I like the new yoda better than want the phantom menace yoda was like it looked horrible and the AOTC one and ROTS looked like it was actually there and interacting with the real people on screen. I liked the new emperor it made better sense for them to be going on more about the fact he had a son but in ROTS anakin knew that padme was having children.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t368458.html

It's real. And not Episode III related...

Now, the real question is, when will we see these "special editions" for the PT?

I ain't buying TPM again just for the new cutesy Yoda... They'll have to offer me more than that...

I would assume so; when they did the OT's SEs, they did more than fix one character. We will see..

I just don't know if they'll even bother... Well, at least this time the changes can only make the films better... well, then again, you never really know with Lucas..

2 or 3 more scenes with jar jar, and probably R2 will fly while fixing the ship. Oh, and probably an even MORE extended race and lots of pit droids.
George lucas gives himself stupid limits like "lets see if we dont have to shoot with actors" (he did this on the SE)

Fly while fixing the ship? Why? R2 doesn't fly 'starship escaping from cannons!' speed.

Originally posted by Sans_Fi
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It could be just a fake, but the light seems too exact, and remember what happent with the "no, that new emperor on esb is a fake"

umm lets see DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hammer
shocking

the TPM yoda scared me a little his eyes and mouth look strange

The puppet one has tiny pupils and a neutral impression on his face.

At least the digital one looks at something and shows emotions.

OH THANK SWEET JESUS!!!!

i HATE that frikin ep1 mutant yoda!!!

please change the freaking yoda puppet, the cg one is great.....

Yeah, that looks a hell of a lot better.

Agree with your taking this Digiyoda as a replacement, *I* do not!

(Even if it were true!)

Uh, it is true.

Originally posted by chinabing
Agree with your taking this Digiyoda as a replacement, *I* do not!

(Even if it were true!)

yeah, ok. you hold on to your copy of episode 1 with that half-assed shit yoda puppet. good luck

I knew Lucas would end up doing this, im i'm very glad he did.

Mm. Maybe he's browsing forums such as these, and seeing what the fans really want. I wouldn't be surprised, since if it's what they want, well, then they'll be more prone to buy it.

im sure he does. well, rather i bet some of his people browse all the big forums for ideas.

It's test footage. Big deal, there's tons of that stuff. Nobody's saying they going to replace the puppet on the next go-round. If they do, big deal, I still have my DVD and VHS of Ep I.

Seeing Yoda again was one of the triumphs of seeing The Phantom Menace. The crowds in the theaters I was in roared the first time we saw him, even though it wasn't an applause moment, (you know, like when Fonzi entered the room!) It was wonderful.

I tend to like the vision the artist had when they were done with it. That's why I like my WS VHSs of the original series. Now people crucify Lucas for updating TOS, and maybe now he might do it to the prequell trilogy, and people call Yoda a mutant puppet? Please. Show some consistency! Either agree with "don't touch them at all," or "mess with them to your hearts content!" Why is it ok to mess with prequels and not with the originals?

you make the mistake of assuming.
i hate certain changes in the OT, but not all of them.

im not interested in 'fighting' for some useless cause.
i dont give a shit about "PRESERVE THE MOVIES!!!111oneone!"

im just all for the ommision of anything that sucks.
that ep1 yoda puppet sucks.

i wouldnt of minded if it was the same puppet as ESB and i didnt go and see TPM to see yoda i just wanted to go and see it

Yes they will put in the digital Yoda in The Phantom Menace it will be part of the Episode III deleted scenes but i still like the puppet Yoda the best they stayed true to the original trilogy.

Originally posted by PVS
you make the mistake of assuming.
i hate certain changes in the OT, but not all of them.

im not interested in 'fighting' for some useless cause.
i dont give a shit about "PRESERVE THE MOVIES!!!111oneone!"

im just all for the ommision of anything that sucks.
that ep1 yoda puppet sucks.

I agree.

...good thing I never bought any of the prequels on DVD so far. I'll wait 'til GL messes with them a bit.

Well the digital Yoda test shot sure looks better
than the "mutant" puppet that was used in the
Phantom Menace. Part of me wishes that Lucas
would just move on and make different new movies,
than just going back and changing his old films.

ALL of me wishes he'd do that...

The digyoda doesn't look better, it looks the same as the ROTS and AOTC Yoda. It is not the real Yoda.

How is the digiyoda being in a 2nd disc of bonus material now the official Yoda in TPM? Until they release such a disc, the puppet stays!

How else can I say it? The TPM Yoda looks fantastic! The only major difference between the 1983 and 1999 yoda was he didn't have the ratty jedi ROTJ robe and a little more hair! And they did use a digiyoda already in TPM (in the background as he debark's Palpatine's red royal ship, and walking across the room with Obi-Wan saying "Confer on you the level of Jedi Knight the council does."

I couldn't believe they went with a digiyoda in AOTC, because they could have made the whole fight digital, and just the close-ups puppetry. Now that would have been even more awesome than the fight we saw! It would have been incredible, and really would have pushed the boundaries of what CG can do. Anyone can make a digital yoda fight, but making a puppet fight so that it still looks real, now that's a challenge! I know LFL could have pulled it off.

The digital yoda is the one that looks funny if you ask me. But I deal with it, Lucas likes to push the technical medium forward and if that means he has to test things out, we just let him play, because he usually hits a home run.

The last Yoda puppet from ROTJ would not have held up, it was too fragile 15 years later. So for TPM they had to make a slightly younger Yoda, and my memory is failing me now but I think they used the same injection mold from the 70s to form the TPM puppet.

Mutant Yoda indeed, you take that back!

TPM Yoda looks nothing like ESB Yoda. I'd be perfectly happy with a puppet if the puppet actually looked like Yoda and didn't give me nightmares...

That's what more hair and electric lights will do for presentation. Take the candle-lit ROTJ Yoda and put him in the Jedi Temple with all that direct light, and see what you get.

Lol. You're delusional.

How about no? I have nothing against TPM Yoda's puppet being replaced, neither should you. It looked nothing like Yoda: its face was too wide, it was a more sickly green, its eyes were huge (as were the irises).

Transitioning between puppet and CGI Yoda would have been way too obvious if they had the puppet in AOTC and ROTS. Why do you think they even made the CGI Yoda? Same reason I stated. It'd be too obvious.

Originally posted by chinabing
The digyoda doesn't look better, it looks the same as the ROTS and AOTC Yoda. It is not the real Yoda.

How is the digiyoda being in a 2nd disc of bonus material now the official Yoda in TPM? Until they release such a disc, the puppet stays!

How else can I say it? The TPM Yoda looks fantastic! The only major difference between the 1983 and 1999 yoda was he didn't have the ratty jedi ROTJ robe and a little more hair! And they did use a digiyoda already in TPM (in the background as he debark's Palpatine's red royal ship, and walking across the room with Obi-Wan saying "Confer on you the level of Jedi Knight the council does."

I couldn't believe they went with a digiyoda in AOTC, because they could have made the whole fight digital, and just the close-ups puppetry. Now that would have been even more awesome than the fight we saw! It would have been incredible, and really would have pushed the boundaries of what CG can do. Anyone can make a digital yoda fight, but making a puppet fight so that it still looks real, now that's a challenge! I know LFL could have pulled it off.

The digital yoda is the one that looks funny if you ask me. But I deal with it, Lucas likes to push the technical medium forward and if that means he has to test things out, we just let him play, because he usually hits a home run.

The last Yoda puppet from ROTJ would not have held up, it was too fragile 15 years later. So for TPM they had to make a slightly younger Yoda, and my memory is failing me now but I think they used the same injection mold from the 70s to form the TPM puppet.

Mutant Yoda indeed, you take that back! then keep the old copy of the film just cause hes putting in a digiyoda on a DIFFERENT dvd doesnt mean you have to buy it its not like he can change the copy of the film youve got just ignore it and keep the copy youve got

cgi ones cool

So, we can't believe that they'd use CGI for a fight sequence, involving a green midget jumping everywhere? Yeah, use a puppet and see how many more months, or years it would take to get that sequence down.

If you love the mutant puppet so much, why don't you marry it?

Ai-yi-yi this thread is full of maturity!

I don't mind the digiyoda in "Clones" or "Sith," but I would have liked it better with the puppet. As I've reiterated use the puppet for the closeups and digital one when necessary; they did just that in "Menace," they should have just kept doing it! People hardly notice the digiyoda in "Menace!" But hey they don't listen to me, or you for that matter.

Look at all the physical things Yoda the puppet did in "Empire" & "Jedi":
- Crawl around Luke's camp, eating and grabbing things
- Whack Artoo with his gimmer stick
- Walk back to his hovel
- Make root leaf stew
- Ride along in Luke's backpack
- Pinch Luke
- Put his feet up and crawl into bed.

If they did it in Empire, they could have done it in Eps II and III. (It probably would have been less expensive and taken less time.) Sure use digital for the Crouching Yoda Hidden Dragon bits.

I did some research and they did make a new mold for the TPM Yoda. That doesn't make it evil just different. The TPM Yoda's fine, wonderful in fact. I'll never forget the first time we saw him again! And how Lucas just drops us in the middle of the scene, without any stupid Fonzi or Kramer opener, it's fantastic.

Originally posted by chinabing
Ai-yi-yi this thread is full of maturity!

I don't mind the digiyoda in "Clones" or "Sith," but I would have liked it better with the puppet. As I've reiterated use the puppet for the closeups and digital one when necessary; they did just that in "Menace," they should have just kept doing it! People hardly notice the digiyoda in "Menace!" But hey they don't listen to me, or you for that matter.

Look at all the physical things Yoda the puppet did in "Empire" & "Jedi":
- Crawl around Luke's camp, eating and grabbing things
- Whack Artoo with his gimmer stick
- Walk back to his hovel
- Make root leaf stew
- Ride along in Luke's backpack
- Pinch Luke
- Put his feet up and crawl into bed.

If they did it in Empire, they could have done it in Eps II and III. (It probably would have been less expensive and taken less time.) Sure use digital for the Crouching Yoda Hidden Dragon bits.

I did some research and they did make a new mold for the TPM Yoda. That doesn't make it evil just different. The TPM Yoda's fine, wonderful in fact. I'll never forget the first time we saw him again! And how Lucas just drops us in the middle of the scene, without any stupid Fonzi or Kramer opener, it's fantastic. Oh, you drunk.

While fixing The Phantom Menace Yoda seems to be a good idea, I wish they would just stop messing with all of them. Just my opinion.

starwars Yeah I agree but I think in the phantom menace obi wan should have kicked that puppet straight out of the window in the chamber they were in on naboo when yoda was bestowing the rank of jedi knight on him. And he shouted "that's for being a puppet"

Originally posted by kanis
starwars Yeah I agree but I think in the phantom menace obi wan should have kicked that puppet straight out of the window in the chamber they were in on naboo when yoda was bestowing the rank of jedi knight on him. And he shouted "that's for being a puppet"

Now, there's a real mature thought. confused

starwars Thanks

Originally posted by chinabing
Ai-yi-yi this thread is full of maturity!

I don't mind the digiyoda in "Clones" or "Sith," but I would have liked it better with the puppet. As I've reiterated use the puppet for the closeups and digital one when necessary; they did just that in "Menace," they should have just kept doing it! People hardly notice the digiyoda in "Menace!" But hey they don't listen to me, or you for that matter.

Look at all the physical things Yoda the puppet did in "Empire" & "Jedi":
- Crawl around Luke's camp, eating and grabbing things
- Whack Artoo with his gimmer stick
- Walk back to his hovel
- Make root leaf stew
- Ride along in Luke's backpack
- Pinch Luke
- Put his feet up and crawl into bed.

If they did it in Empire, they could have done it in Eps II and III. (It probably would have been less expensive and taken less time.) Sure use digital for the Crouching Yoda Hidden Dragon bits.

I did some research and they did make a new mold for the TPM Yoda. That doesn't make it evil just different. The TPM Yoda's fine, wonderful in fact. I'll never forget the first time we saw him again! And how Lucas just drops us in the middle of the scene, without any stupid Fonzi or Kramer opener, it's fantastic.

Meh. The CGI to puppet to CGI to puppet transitions would be terribly obvious, because one moment Yoda is 'real' and the next he's not. It's easier with humans (and aliens) for CGI stuff, but Yoda? No. You can tell too easily which is puppet and which is CGI.

Plus, CGI Yoda does swordfighting and jumping and lightning-repulsion and all these things that it'd be awkward with a puppet.

yea i agree

Digi Yoda rocks.

Originally posted by The Ones
Digi Yoda rocks. yea

Originally posted by Sans_Fi
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It could be just a fake, but the light seems too exact, and remember what happent with the "no, that new emperor on esb is a fake"

Oh my god, those pictures next to each other makes me want to vomit..

In december we`ll be looking to a new episode 1...this kind of things makes me like this movie even more...

By Attack Of The Clones, I would have liked if they mixed up puppetry with CGI when neccessary. But Yoda looked even better by ROTS, on a par or even better than Gollum. Looking at the PM puppet side by side, it's remarkable how strange he looks. I know they wanted to take some years off Yoda, but the CG Yoda looks exactly like the ESB and ROTJ Yoda. If they are indeed substituting him in, it's a good idea.
Frank Oz has been totally on side for this, I know. The work on ESB by him and his team was amazing but incredibly painstaking; likely Oz's greatest test as a puppeteer. I know Irvin Kershner groused and complained about everything it took to bring Yoda to life, must have been killer hours. I hope Oz knows all this CGI work is in respect to the character he created.

No, the cg yoda doesn't look anything like the TESB and ROTJ yoda, his face is too oblate, his ear wiggles look fake, his moves are computer-stiff, i.e to clean and perfect, the hair's wrong, the eyes are wrong, his mouth doesn't move just up and down but lips form words. (I loved it in ROTJ when Yoda says "already know you that which you need" in closeup, and Mr. Oz is must moving his thumb and forefinger apart and together.) At least they got the dubbing right in the last two. I still don't know how in TPM they got Jar Jar's voice synch wrong... he was computer generated, just go fix it!

like i said just hold on to the old yoda in copy of TPM youve got

just ignore it and pretend it doesnt exist then were all happy

Originally posted by chinabing
his moves are computer-stiff, i.e to clean and perfect
Yeah, that's probably what annoys me most about CGI. Even the Clones' movements aren't realistic and they were all motion-captured...

But anything's better than that awful awful muppet they called Yoda.

Show some respect - Yoda started as a muppet.

They should have showed respect when making that god-awful TPM version... That wasn't Yoda.

OMG! Yoda was stoned, accept it everybody!
HE HAS A PROBLEM! SO WHAT?!!

Let's stop complaining, the new Yoda looks more like ESB and ROTJ Yoda, THE ORIGINAL TPM Yoda doesn't look that bad, seriously, folks.

Yodas species is renowned for that!!
when they get to a certain age they turn into puppets!!then come back to life!then back too puppets a few years b4 they die!!

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
They should have showed respect when making that god-awful TPM version... That wasn't Yoda.

Yes, yes...things got wrong with his face; I don't know how they let it go. Taking years off? No. He just looked too different.

TPM puppet yoda looks like a crack addict child molester.

nuff said.

Originally posted by Backspace
TPM puppet yoda looks like a crack addict child molester.

nuff said.

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Originally posted by Sans_Fi
http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3094&titulo=Video:+Yoda+Digital+para+el+Episodio+I it looks wierd after watching the original