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Wolverine has adamantium bones+martial arts training+inhanced reflexes(generate alot more power in punches)+peakhuman strength=
should equal a superhuman type punching power.

Martial- artists like mike reeves haev normal bones(hardened but still normal)+peakhuman reflexes+normal human strength= and they can break through 2 feet of solid concrete in one hand blow.
Shouldn't Logan be able to generate at least enough power to shatter like 10 feet of concrete in one blow(a force of several tons).

How come people like cyclops and other people can take his punches?
If they do, he must be holding back alot cause by my calcilations his punching power should be close to several tons.

How come he doesn't use this ability to just k.o. or kill people who he fights in like 1 punch.
I'd use it.


They say wolverine is overrated, no, I think they don't give him enough credit cause if they knew science,pkysics, rules of Martial-arts, and other facts about logan with these factors applied, they'd know that he should be able to do feats above the ones he is stated as doing.

I mean his punching power alone should be like more than what spiderman can lift(over 10 tons).

What do you think?

Firstly, Cyclops is peak human... and normal martial arts rules don't apply in comics...

And imo your crazy to say he could punch harder than spidey...

Being peak human doesn't increase your durability. since a "peak human" can be killed as easily as an average human as far as damage goes.

Wolverine does hold back when he doesn't want to kill a person. . .

Pr 1983,
You sound stupid.
I didn't say he could punch harder than spiderman, I said he could punch as hard as what spiderman can lift.

If you knew anything of science or physics you'd know that you punch way harder than what you can lift, its automatic and that's not even includiing the factors like strength,weight,speed of fist,etc.


And many science and physics do apply to comicbooks dumbass.

The majority of them do, its only a few rules that are left out of comics.
If thats' the case then gravity should not apply,
so why do they stay on the ground and why do people fall and have to be rescued by superman or someone.
Why if hulk slams his fist into the ground with suffiecient force, it creates a loud shockwave(law of physics and sound)

Why if batman runs before he jumps he gets more distance and elevation in his jump.

Why if spiderman swings around on his web around a pole he comes back with enough centrifical force to kick a bad guy and send him flying back through a wall.

Why if batman throws a batarang, it hit the guy holding the gun(who's 20 yards away) with enough force to hurt his hand and make him drop the gun.

Why if juggernaut punches a building, it creates a big hole.


If most of the rules of science, physics, and motion, etc did not apply in comic books none of this stuff could happen dumbass.

Having a superpower, is having a superpower, an anolmaly.
They still have to follow most of these rules and most of these rules do apply with the exceptions of 1or 2.

If you paid attention in class and read the comic books more carefully, you'd see these things.

Creshok,
I see at least you, seem to kinda understand the question.

Still whilst I agree that he doesn't have to lift as hard as he can punch, I don't believe Wolverine can punch anywhere near to the amount spidey can lift or punch...........

i believe most wolvie fan boys need to burn, there is a wolvie thread some where, use that and stop wasting and killing the x-men forum

Good point Arcane

Originally posted by jplatinum
Wolverine has adamantium bones+martial arts training+inhanced reflexes(generate alot more power in punches)+peakhuman strength=
should equal a superhuman type punching power.

Martial- artists like mike reeves haev normal bones(hardened but still normal)+peakhuman reflexes+normal human strength= and they can break through 2 feet of solid concrete in one hand blow.
Shouldn't Logan be able to generate at least enough power to shatter like 10 feet of concrete in one blow(a force of several tons).

How come people like cyclops and other people can take his punches?
If they do, he must be holding back alot cause by my calcilations his punching power should be close to several tons.

How come he doesn't use this ability to just k.o. or kill people who he fights in like 1 punch.
I'd use it.


They say wolverine is overrated, no, I think they don't give him enough credit cause if they knew science,pkysics, rules of Martial-arts, and other facts about logan with these factors applied, they'd know that he should be able to do feats above the ones he is stated as doing.

I mean his punching power alone should be like more than what spiderman can lift(over 10 tons).

What do you think?
I agree with everything you said.

"I agree with everything you said."


Finally, someone with a brain.

cyclops doesn't have peak human attributes, by the by. he's just one of the best specimens of the human physique toned by exercise and dieting and whatnot. those who develop "peak human" strength or speed or whatever do so through some adverse form of mutation. t'challa had his herbs, captain america had the super soldier serum, feral had her mutation. wolverine's strength is called "peak human," but he's not as strong as the cap or black panther. he's just really strong, for a human, and his healing factor and unbreakable skeleton enforce his muscular system.

wolverine doesn't kill people he punches because a) he's not an out and out murderer, and b) all comic book characters have incredible durability.

if you do the physics, it's unlikely that wolverine hits with as much force as spider-man lifts. wolvie weighs 300 pounds with his adamantium skeleton. if you're generous, you could say his hand weighs ten. divide ten by 2.2, and it weighs 4.55 kilograms. if he's got an excellent punching speed, maybe able to punch along the full length of his arm in a sixth of a second, and his arm (being generous) is about two and a half feet long... that's about an acceleration of 4.6 meters per second squared. and since force = mass times acceleration (if we ignore all resistances,) that's a force of about 21 newtons. give him some bonus points for martial arts skills and momentum and whatnot, we can say 27 newtons for a standing punch. if he really worked himself up, he could probably get to around 150 to 200, which is a lot, mind you, to be impacting a human body. and it probably hurts a lot more and does more damage because it's very solid, since he's all metal and whatnot. probably about the same as 450 to 500 newtons of force smacking into you.

10 tons is about 9072 kilograms. multiply that by the force of gravity, 9.8 meters per second squared, and that's approx. 88906 newtons. that's really just a rough estimate, and there are certainly other factors involved. and hell, my physics might be off because i've been out of that class for years, but saying wolverine can hit as hard as spiderman can lift seems very, very unlikely.

Originally posted by jplatinum
Pr 1983,
You sound stupid.
I didn't say he could punch harder than spiderman, I said he could punch as hard as what spiderman can lift.

If you knew anything of science or physics you'd know that you punch way harder than what you can lift, its automatic and that's not even includiing the factors like strength,weight,speed of fist,etc.


And many science and physics do apply to comicbooks dumbass.

The majority of them do, its only a few rules that are left out of comics.
If thats' the case then gravity should not apply,
so why do they stay on the ground and why do people fall and have to be rescued by superman or someone.
Why if hulk slams his fist into the ground with suffiecient force, it creates a loud shockwave(law of physics and sound)

Why if batman runs before he jumps he gets more distance and elevation in his jump.

Why if spiderman swings around on his web around a pole he comes back with enough centrifical force to kick a bad guy and send him flying back through a wall.

Why if batman throws a batarang, it hit the guy holding the gun(who's 20 yards away) with enough force to hurt his hand and make him drop the gun.

Why if juggernaut punches a building, it creates a big hole.


If most of the rules of science, physics, and motion, etc did not apply in comic books none of this stuff could happen dumbass.

Having a superpower, is having a superpower, an anolmaly.
They still have to follow most of these rules and most of these rules do apply with the exceptions of 1or 2.

If you paid attention in class and read the comic books more carefully, you'd see these things.

well arent we in a pissy mood...

stop what the name calling first of all...

not all physics apply... thats the reason cyclops' eyeballs arent shot out of his head when he opens his eyes...

don't presume to tell me anything, i pay attention plenty...

and i wasnt the one who said i could beat a superhero...

Originally posted by pr1983
well arent we in a pissy mood...

stop what the name calling first of all...

not all physics apply... thats the reason cyclops' eyeballs arent shot out of his head when he opens his eyes...

don't presume to tell me anything, i pay attention plenty...

and i wasnt the one who said i could beat a superhero...


oohh burn!!!!

all together now.. OWNED!!!!

checked the physics. turns out the acceleration in my first equation was wrong. about 27.4 meters per second squared was the acceleration. so the base punch is 125-ish newtons. worked up, we could go as far as 1000 newtons, which is considerably more than what i'd originally said. maybe he'd even hit 2000. but still, that's still quite a margin away from the 10 ton mark. his punches would be the same as having a 450 pound sandbag tossed to you, which is a lot worse than most people can do. but not spider-man.

Maybe real martial arts and physics aren't applied to comic books? Some are, but when you get into slightly advanced stuff, it all goes to hell. Batman studies his entire life and gets a firm hold on hundreds of different styles of martial arts, yet his technique is till drawn as that of a 12 year old in a Tae Kwon Do class. It's not because Batman is not supposed to be an unearthly fighter, it's because the artists don't really know how a perfect punch is supposed to be executed. So while JP has a point with all of this, it's silly to try to apply the ignorance of an artist to real fighting. The same is the case with Wolverine and physics. The people who make comics aren't perfect. (all of this is basically the difference between comic book logic/science and real world logic/science, btw)

Originally posted by Disappear
checked the physics. turns out the acceleration in my first equation was wrong. about 27.4 meters per second squared was the acceleration. so the base punch is 125-ish newtons. worked up, we could go as far as 1000 newtons, which is considerably more than what i'd originally said. maybe he'd even hit 2000. but still, that's still quite a margin away from the 10 ton mark. his punches would be the same as having a 450 pound sandbag tossed to you, which is a lot worse than most people can do. but not spider-man. Considering Spiderman can lift 15 tons, I'd think he could hit harder than 10 tons. . but then that might be the bleed off of lift versus punch of an untrained punch. . . like what 66.67% of the lift weight then?

hows about closing this thread because its lame and boring and pisses me off every time i see the name ARRRGGGG stupid fanboys, go home ugh...


Paola save us all please and close this stupid thread

1 coz he hasnt killed with a ounch yet, so he probabaly wont, if u have a problem, complain to the writers not here, ARRRG

you're the second person to tell me that spider-man can lift 15 tons, and i've only ever seen reference to him lifting 10, even in the latest handbook... i need to keep up with my reading, i guess.

whether the physics is applicable or not, whether wolverine can hit with more force than spider-man (he can't, as demonstrated in new avengers,) the point of applying the physics was to show how grossly different they SHOULD be, despite what a wolverine-backing fan wants them to be.

Allright, guys, let'snot start a fight. JP might have a point about Wolverine's punch being underrated, but I doubt it. Cuz if he really punched so hard, his skeleton would still weigh him down- course, that logic may not make sense to anyone but the little men in my head so...
Also, what fun would it be if Cyclops was dead? Whom would everyone call gay?
Also, also, Wolverine doesn't need to punch hard, he could just cut off your head if you mess lol

Originally posted by Disappear
10 tons is about 9072 kilograms. multiply that by the force of gravity, 9.8 meters per second squared, and that's approx. 88906 newtons. that's really just a rough estimate, and there are certainly other factors involved. and hell, my physics might be off because i've been out of that class for years, but saying wolverine can hit as hard as spiderman can lift seems very, very unlikely.

I agree with everything u just said, however spidey can lift up to 15 tons now............

and you're the third. i'm falling behind...

well, simple math says that 15 is 150% of 10, so 88906 times 1.5...
133,359 newtons

But you do see my point right.
That if physics can apply to other superheroes like superman when he does something, or hulk, or spiderman, why shouldn't it apply to wolverine in regard to him being able to do major damage with just a punch.

According to physics he should, and about his skelton wieght, if you didn't weight that much to begin with, then you had admantium added to your weight, that only added 100 pounds(evenly disstributed), the wieght being distributed throughout your body would make it as though it only weighed 25-50 pounds more rather than 100 lbs.
Then add to that the fact that the human body heals stronger than brfore, if only slightly(it scientifically documented/experimented/proven),
Then add to that that logan is a mutant, one with healing several hundredx that of a normal human, then he has inhanced reflexes and peakhuman strength= the(evenly distributed) weight of his skeleton shouldn't even slow him down as much as having a 50 lbs weight vest on would slow batman down.

If it did slow him down(it probably doesn't), given how fast he is, that means he'd be faster without it.

Point is, that the added weight of his adamantium skeleton would be like almost no added weight to him at all.

How else do you explain how he moves, his body is adjusted to it hundreds of times over, probably thousands(gievn the healing factor).

If you can't except this because you just don't like him then I'm sorry, but if you think about it, it makes as much sense as superman being superfast/superstrong/super everything cause he is "super".

"Super"-man is super, afterall.

So you read my post til you get what I'm trying to say about wolverine.
(Oh and many of the laws of science,physics,distribution,and gravity do apply to many of the aspects of comics. the basic ones. This is just overlooked many times by some of the stupid ones that don't like a building not caving in under its own weight when lifted by someone superstrong. Most others do apply though, its hit and miss if you can catch them. The one about logan should though.)

the last person i can think of who lifted a building was gladiator, and considering he's got some psionic aspect to his powers, it could work in a way similar to superboy's (telekinetically supporting the object he lifts.)

anyway, i totally dont get how what you said was meant to prove that wolverine hits harder than spider-man lifts. some of it makes sense, though the human body will only grow stronger if supplied with the proper nutrients, not just naturally, but it still doesn't disprove the physics you boasted about at the beginning.

and, again, he doesn't have peak-human strength.

identical thread at comic book forum.

Post there.