Originally posted by unrealman
Twelve: Again, there's lack of storyline interaction. But Twelve
officially feels no pain, and he can morph into other characters, so he's
probably up there somewhere. He's at least tier 5, because all lab reports
from Gill's organization indicate that he should be superior to Necro in
every way (not that that means it's fact, but it's the best thing to go by
so far. Course, you never know how far 'spirit' could go, I suppose).
Guy and Cody: Hard to tier, IMHO. They can beat Sodom and Rolento,
obviously. They can also beat a whole bunch of the Mad Gear gang, but it's
important to remember that they did not fight through Final Fight alone and
also that it's wholly possible and likely that the SF universe follows the
laws of anime (IE, any generic bad guy is really weak and easy to beat up
by most any semi-important character), thus the fact that they can take out
most of the Mad Gear scrubs isn't a very good gauge, either. Guy, even
though he is a Bushin master, is still equal to Cody even during SFA3,
though, so we at least know they are on the same tier. But storyline-wise,
neither has ever really gone up against any of the really high tier Street
Fighter characters, so this is the best guess we can get to place them
unless more *comparative* info ever comes in. Actually, though, after
getting Juni's official power ratings that she scans in SFA3, I'm thinking
that Sodom, Rolento, Guy, and Cody are probably a lot higher than this.
Probably around Charlie's level during SFA3, actually.
Adon: Strong enough to beat Sagat in SFA2. Sagat may have been unfocused,
but he was still powerful. There aren't many other matches to use to tier
him with hard core certainty, but beating SFA2 Sagat and being the new Muy
Thai Emperor should be enough to give him this tier.
Sakura: She's better than Karin. It's officially stated that her chi
manipulation is equal to Ken's during SFA3. The girl's ridiculously gifted
and able to learn Ryu's moves just by watching him. If Sakura continued
training on and on after SFA3, she could really be something.
Unfortunately, since SFA3 was so incredibly long ago, and Sakura's future
still highly up in the air (highschool is really a bit too early in life to
get that hard a bead on one's future, I think), the tier can really only go
by her last seen position (unlike Sagat, where it's shown that he's still
in the game after SF2 and his determination to stay on level with Ryu is
further emphasized). Anyways, Chun-Li is the strongest woman in the world
so Sakura is below her, regardless. Oh, and judging from SFA3, she can
beat Honda, so she gets to be higher than him.
Balrog: Can kill an elephant with his bare hands. Generally among the top
fighters in Shadaloo (not sure if it was officially stated, though I think
it was... it's implied, at least) and thus higher than the Dolls. Oh, and
judging by SFA3, he beat Birdie. Probably weaker than Vega, so here he
goes. Even if he's an idiot, he's still armed with 'the world's strongest
Cammy: She's better than the other Dolls but weaker than Vega. ...wow,
that was easy.
Zangief: A bit hard to tier, but being implied to be Russia's greatest
warrior should account for something. He's better than R. Mika (it seems
he goes easy on her in SFA3 and all), and R. Mika is most likely better
than Dan, so Zangief gets to go here. On a random note, I have no clue
where Haggar (or any other Final Fight exclusive character, really) fits
in, here. Even Cody and Guy, who weren't exclusive to only Final Fight,
are hard to tier. Can't even decide whether or not Haggar is on Zangief's
level because the two never even met in person, after all, so there's no
interaction to use to compare.
T. Hawk: He can beat (and most likely actually has beaten) the Doll
Noembelu. ...another easy one.
Dhalsim: Loses to Ryu (at least, implied by one of Ryu's SF3 win quotes).
A bit hard to tier, but he's been going around doing lots of good things
for the world and has that fire power granted by the gods and such. There
might be more that I should poke Saiki for, but overall, this is a pretty
good guess, I think. He retired from fighting after SF2, by the way.
Alex: Alex is better than all the other SF3 characters (besides heavy
hitters like Ryu and Oro, who he never had to fight) as can be seen by him
winning the SF3 tournament. However, he's still not really that high up
since Ryu beat him VERY easily in Third Strike. Thus he only gets to be a
tier higher than where the other SF3 characters go. He's below Hugo even
though they never fought because Hugo actually put up a fight against Ryu.
Tier 6: The extras
Basically everyone else but Dan and generic Shadaloo soldiers (who are
officially stated to be skilled but weaker than the Dolls) go here. Hard
to tier among them exactly mainly due to lack of existance of factual
*comparative* data for a large majority of them. At any rate, though,
they're definately weaker than everyone else above them. Karin loses to
Sakura, the Dolls lose to Rose, Cammy, and T. Hawk, E. Honda loses to
Sakura, every SF3 character not above this tier loses to Alex or Hugo,
etc. Moving along, good reasons for guestimates from here on IMHO are...
Tier 6: All the characters listed have been stated to beat other skilled
people, even if none of them were actually non-nameless goons. Or...
something to that effect. The twelve Dolls are each stronger than each of
the other 2000 skilled martial artists in Shadaloo (They aren't called
elite for nothing), Rolento and Sodom rise above all generic Mad Gear
members to be bosses, Karin loses to Sakura but still puts up a good fight
so she's probably only a tier lower, Birdie fought hard enough to impress
Bison in order to join Shadaloo (and thus is also probably above the other
2000 skilled martial artists. Eh, he got to be playable and get a name
while they didn't :P)... Necro is implied due to all his genetically
enhanced abilities that probably give him an edge, and Dudley beat lots of
guys in his boxing career to earn money to buy his dads' things back.
Tier 7: 'Grown-up' nobodies. Not much else to say. Well, E. Honda rose
to become a good sumo wrestler at least, but not sure if that says enough
for him. He beat Sodom in SFA2, but that's because Sodom was fighting as a
sumo wrestler and thus not using his primary fighting style, so...
Tier 8: 'Teeny-bopper' nobodies. Poor Yun, Yang, Makoto, and Elena just
don't have enough official statements implying their good abilities to go
higher. Er... no offense to these characters with the 'nobody' remarks, of
Tier 9: Characters that Capcom of Japan just doesn't seem to like :P Well,
okay, Dan's probably weak on purpose.
Tier 10: Judging by where Capcom seems to be going with Sean, it seems
like he really IS weaker than Dan at this point. It's like a joke in
itself, almost. Almost like when Sean says "Hey, I'm not Dan!", he's
right. He's not Dan. He's worse! Even Dan doesn't get his ass kicked
THAT often in the official storyline. Sure, it was to Ryu and Ken, but the
only time Dan got his ass whupped as an ending joke was to cyber Akuma in a
VS game. Sean gets portrayed as getting kicked around a lot more than Dan,
About the Adon and sagat Fight
From the plot guide
He feels that Sagat no longer deserves
the title of Emperor, and goes out to defeat Sagat. When he finds Sagat,
Sagat himself is filled with rage at how Ryu defeated him, much more than
Adon. Adon challenges him, and Sagat was too enraged to fight well, so
Adon defeated him and became the new Emperor of Muay Thai. It wasn't
without cost, though. Adon had to go to the hospital and stay there for
months due to his injuries from the battle.
I do agree that Cody and Guy should be up there in tier three with Charlie and the others. Cody and Guy have gotten alot stronger during the time too, which is a good reason why they should be up there. Cody is addicted to fighting and fights day and night because of the streak in him to fight. Cody also loves to start fights. Cody continues to fight all the time which is why he should be in tier three. Cody also has the strength to break through a 50 cm wall. He's also a fifth degree black belt and is very good at using knives. Guy has gotten alot stronger too. He went to Japan to train and learn more of the ways of being a Bushin Ninja. He was even able to learn some NEW MOVES during his journey. He defeated his Master to become the NEW 39th Bushin Master. Guy also has the Bushin Musou Rage which is just as Powerful as the Raging Demon. If he really used it on M.Bison, it will be over for him. I do agree that they both didn't fight the Mad Gear Gang alone, but they both each defeated the bosses by themselves, like Cody was the one that knocked Belger out of the window and Guy is the one that defeated Sodom. Cody also learned some NEW MOVES as well. I'm just giving out details of why these two should be in Tier 3. Cody and Guy are also one of my Favorite Street Fighter and Final Fight Characters.