616 wolverine vs ultimate captain america

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hawkwind
so who takes this fight.both are in macho mode.

wolverine8888
wolverine. ultimatew wolverine would not be a threat in any way to NU wolverine. ultiamte wolverine is a threat to ultimate captain.

X-Logan
Wolverine.Logan is just too much for U. Caps...but it would be a close fight.

hawkwind
i was going for logan also

thesilverspider
what cap will finish wolverine

thesilverspider
ultimate cap is a beast

wolverine8888
dude it not gunna happen captain beaten in every single stat.

snoopdogg
Ultimate Cap. is nothing like his 616 counterpart.

He is rutheless and does what it takes to get the job done. I think Id go with him on this.

I dont know for sure how Cap will win but he will come up with something.

wolverine8888
how there is not a single stat that he has bettter then wolverine.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Ultimate Cap. is nothing like his 616 counterpart.

He is rutheless and does what it takes to get the job done. I think Id go with him on this.

I dont know for sure how Cap will win but he will come up with something.

Agreed. Plus Ultimate Cap is a 2 ton lifter.

thesilverspider
exactly just look at wat he did 2 wolverine

wolverine8888
how do u know that? any wyas he sitll weaker then wolverine. there still no way he can win there is not a stat he better in

wolverine8888
that was ultimate wolverine. ulitmate wolverine is all around far worse then NU wolverine he weaker slower no were near the fighter and his healing factors is far worse.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by wolverine8888
how there is not a single stat that he has bettter then wolverine. Actually Ult. Cap is stronger than 616 Wolverine and probably faster.

Hell even if it takes Cap using a machine gun to put him down(he already did in Ultimate War #3) he will get the job done.

I dont even know if there is a difference between Ultimate Wolvie and 616 Wolvie.

jinzin
draw.. unless cap uses a plot device (i.e. weapon he doesn't normally carry)

Metalmanx
Ultimate Cap would completely STOMP 616 Wolverine. Oh, man. It's not even funny.

Ultimate Cap is freakin beastly. He took out a whole room of Brotherhood members, including Juggernaut, by himself. In less than like 10 seconds. He's a lot more hardcore in Ultimate. He's crazy ruthless.

Wolverine is not a problem against him. At all.

jinzin
if that's the case I really don't think we would have had to resort to machine gunning wolvie down in ultimate war... not to say he isn't a beast... just that I don't think he's ready to do any "stomping" on wolverine from the 616 U.

Metalmanx
That's fine. I can't really change your opinion at all.

But in my opinion, Ult. Cap really messes 616 Wolverine up badly.

Ult. Cap took down Giant Man by himself. Without a shield even.

In fact, that's an understatement. He messed him up REALLY BADLY. In fact again, he crippled him.

Warmonger
616 Wolv 6/10

To be tottaly fair beating up a drunken nerd no matter how big he grows isn't something that would make me think U Cap was badass. All things being fair U. Cap has had the upper hand on U Wolverine because his healing factor doens't seem to work as fast, and because he is fairly vulnerable to bullets.

Basically the tactics that U. Cap used on U. Wol have traditonally not worked on 616 wolv. Cap never even got itno a stand up fight with U. Wol just kind of hit him whne he wasn't looking, probably because he didn't think he could win that kind of fight.

So since 616 Wolv seems to be more powerful it begs to reason that 616 Wolv would probably take down U. Cap more often than not but it would be damn good fight.

willRules
Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's fine. I can't really change your opinion at all.

But in my opinion, Ult. Cap really messes 616 Wolverine up badly.

Ult. Cap took down Giant Man by himself. Without a shield even.

In fact, that's an understatement. He messed him up REALLY BADLY. In fact again, he crippled him.

I agree

Sparkz
Well 616 cap is usualy good enough to go toe to toe with 616 wolvy, and seeing as ultimate cap is stronger and more of a bastard he would prob win the majority, (the only down side to ult cap is he dsnt seem to be as good at fighting as 616 cap)

Metalmanx
I still stick by my original statement: Ult. Cap thrashes 616 Wolverine.

willRules
Well if Ultimate cap can stun the Hulk by sheer hand to hand combat, if he can survive regular plummets from planes, without a healing factor or a parachute, then I think Cap wins this...............

Dr. Wasted
i am not sure i think a coin flip will decide the outcome.(flips coin).... wolverine wins.

cheldon
616 wolverine? i need a description.

cheldon
if he's more powerful than the regular wolverine than he wins. evenm the regular wolverine beats captain america.

Warmonger
Also most people seem to remember when Cap beat up Giant Man, but no one seems to remember that the very first time they met Giant Man knocked him the **** out, by smashing him into a taxi cab.

wolverine8888
ultimate wolverine is weaker in ever single way then NU wolverine. I dont read ultimate capt but the way u guys are making him out to be he far over peak human ur saying he over wolverine who at super human levels? that doesent make a whole lot of sense seeing that ultimate captain supose to be only peak human but again i dont read ultimate captain i don't realy read ultiamte period the ultimate wolverine disapionts me.

wolverine8888
also is 616 regular wolverine or what I dont get what 616 mean's.

hawkwind
Originally posted by wolverine8888
also is 616 regular wolverine or what I dont get what 616 mean's. actually ultimate cap can lift at least one ton survive jumping out of planes with no parachute and is a jerk.616 is the standard marvel universe

jinzin
Originally posted by Warmonger
616 Wolv 6/10

To be tottaly fair beating up a drunken nerd no matter how big he grows isn't something that would make me think U Cap was badass. All things being fair U. Cap has had the upper hand on U Wolverine because his healing factor doens't seem to work as fast, and because he is fairly vulnerable to bullets.

Basically the tactics that U. Cap used on U. Wol have traditonally not worked on 616 wolv. Cap never even got itno a stand up fight with U. Wol just kind of hit him whne he wasn't looking, probably because he didn't think he could win that kind of fight.

So since 616 Wolv seems to be more powerful it begs to reason that 616 Wolv would probably take down U. Cap more often than not but it would be damn good fight.

excellent post..

I agreee completely.. well done...

Sparkz
Originally posted by Warmonger
Also most people seem to remember when Cap beat up Giant Man, but no one seems to remember that the very first time they met Giant Man knocked him the **** out, by smashing him into a taxi cab.

Yes while captain ameriica was running from sheild, and then giant man SUCKER punched him, yeah, thats great, then in a 1 on 1 fight guess who won.

ImmortalOne
Ucapt............... = BAD ASS

Warmonger
Originally posted by Sparkz
Yes while captain ameriica was running from sheild, and then giant man SUCKER punched him, yeah, thats great, then in a 1 on 1 fight guess who won.

When totatally sober Giant Man hit Cap once and knocked him out. You say that it was a sucker punch so it doesn't count; I say Cap beat up pym while he was pretty drunk and didn't even want to fight him, so it doesn't count either. Why should that count and the other not?

Also the sheild agents were still inside the building when Cap was making a run for it, so it was just him and Pym.

This is not to say that Cap couldn't have beaten Giant Man, just to highlight the difference between what happened between him and Pym and why it is absolutley no indication about fighting a totally sober and bloodlusted Wolverine.

Sparkz
Originally posted by Warmonger
When totatally sober Giant Man hit Cap once and knocked him out. You say that it was a sucker punch so it doesn't count; I say Cap beat up pym while he was pretty drunk and didn't even want to fight him, so it doesn't count either. Why should that count and the other not?

Also the sheild agents were still inside the building when Cap was making a run for it, so it was just him and Pym.

This is not to say that Cap couldn't have beaten Giant Man, just to highlight the difference between what happened between him and Pym and why it is absolutley no indication about fighting a totally sober and bloodlusted Wolverine.

Well I didnt think Pym was that drunk to be honest, he didnt do anything stupid.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Sparkz
Well I didnt think Pym was that drunk to be honest, he didnt do anything stupid.

Except try to take on Captain America.

Not his brightest move. Sent him to the emergency room for that mistake.

willRules
Originally posted by Warmonger
Also most people seem to remember when Cap beat up Giant Man, but no one seems to remember that the very first time they met Giant Man knocked him the **** out, by smashing him into a taxi cab.


well Cap was heavily sedated at the time, just not sedated enough to stay in bed.........

hawkwind
bringin it back

Grimm22
Ult. Cap 8/10 wink

Bol Gath
Originally posted by willRules
Well if Ultimate cap can stun the Hulk by sheer hand to hand combat, if he can survive regular plummets from planes, without a healing factor or a parachute, then I think Cap wins this...............

The fact that he stunned the Hulk is just crappy writing. He would never even come close to doing that no

AND Wolverine is supposed to be the deadliest mutant on the planet in Ult, universe. I don't think ult.caps would win in a straight up fight, at least not in a fight to the death..

Grimm22
Originally posted by Bol Gath
The fact that he stunned the Hulk is just crappy writing. He would never even come close to doing that no

AND Wolverine is supposed to be the deadliest mutant on the planet in Ult, universe. I don't think ult.caps would win in a straight up fight, at least not in a fight to the death..

Why was that crappy writing What the f**k?

And no Wolverine is not the deadliest mutant on the planet no expression

Heck he wouldnt even make the top 100

capt it up
wolverine for sure .

Daredevil1
Exept that Regular Cap has stun the real Hulk and Namor and Logan has stalemated and had the upperhand on him. U.Cap would lose the majority considering he doesn't even want to engage ultimate Logan who's nothing compared to current Logan right now.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Grimm22
Why was that crappy writing What the f**k?

And no Wolverine is not the deadliest mutant on the planet no expression

Heck he wouldnt even make the top 100

I don't think we even seen 100 different mutants in Ultiverse....

NiņoAraņa
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think we even seen 100 different mutants in Ultiverse.... Ultiverse....laughing

King KAM
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Exept that Regular Cap has stun the real Hulk and Namor and Logan has stalemated and had the upperhand on him. U.Cap would lose the majority considering he doesn't even want to engage ultimate Logan who's nothing compared to current Logan right now. he was strapped for time, so he just decided he would shoot him....didnt say anything bout not wanting to fight him.

Metalmanx
Ultimate Cap for the win. Way too much for Wolvie to handle.

Alfheim
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Agreed. Plus Ultimate Cap is a 2 ton lifter.

He has to be stronger than that 616 Cap can lift one ton.


Originally posted by snoopdogg

I dont even know if there is a difference between Ultimate Wolvie and 616 Wolvie.

Apparently Adamantuim is not indestructuble in the Ultimate Universe, its just extremely durable.


Originally posted by Warmonger
I say Cap beat up pym while he was pretty drunk and didn't even want to fight him, so it doesn't count either. Why should that count and the other not?


Well you know what dont you think that since Pym gets stronger as he grows that the alcohol would wear off? Its like if Bruce Banner was drunk and then turned into the Hulk, Hulk's metabolism would destroy the alcohol in his system.

Pym did not look drunk at all and he did want to fight him in the end he was pissed. Furthermore why did you think Cap wanted Pym to grow large, he wanted to humiliate him. If he wanted to fight a weak opponent he would have just beat up pym in normal form.

Daredevil1
To much? Logan's had the upperhand on the real Cap, who would defeat U.Cap imo.

Most of the time when U.Cap fights someone not that agile he gets tagged. Now think of Wolverine, exept instead of impact razar sharp claws lopping off his head. And Logan can take just as good or better punishment then U.Cap.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
To much? Logan's had the upperhand on the real Cap, who would defeat U.Cap imo.

Most of the time when U.Cap fights someone not that agile he gets tagged. Now think of Wolverine, exept instead of impact razar sharp claws lopping off his head. And Logan can take just as good or better punishment then U.Cap. What! You think the normal 616 Cap could beat Ult Cap? laughing

Daredevil1
Yes he could. U.Cap hasn't really done anything that 616-Cap couldn't do.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes he could. U.Cap hasn't really done anything that 616-Cap couldn't do. Thats just not true, have you read the Ultimates? Ult Cap is much better then 616 Cap, heres the respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=384530

Daredevil1
Seen it since I own most of U.Cap's appearances.

But mabey you need to see the original.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Seen it since I own most of U.Cap's appearances.

But mabey you need to see the original.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779 you think any of those showings compare to trashing hank pym, or taking numerous punches from the hulk without getting splattered? also there is a scan of cap curling around 600lbs with ease.... Ult cap is just better

Daredevil1
You think those are impressive, did you even look at the scans with Cap taking beatdowns from Namor and Ironman. 600lbs its more like 540. Cap curled like 500 so he isn't all that much stronger.

And recently Cap with his chainmail on carrying Bucky ran 1 minute per mile. Thats like 60mph! Plus Cap is more skilled.

thedude1948
616 Cap > Ultimate Cap IMO

Ultimate Cap is a little stronger, but 616 Cap still has more skill and experience. but it can be argued either way really

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
You think those are impressive, did you even look at the scans with Cap taking beatdowns from Namor and Ironman. 600lbs its more like 540. Cap curled like 500 so he isn't all that much stronger.

And recently Cap with his chainmail on carrying Bucky ran 1 minute per mile. Thats like 60mph! Plus Cap is more skilled. there were (6) 45lb weights on each side of the bar, so thats 12 all together, 12x45= 540+the standard 55lb bar 540+55= 595........ IMO 616 caps feats dont even compare to Ult caps:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7605/untitled4066yt.th.jpg

Daredevil1
The bar itself thats right, Cap showed he could bench 1100 lbs easily, so it still doesn't show as you say superior feats. Did you even see how U.Cap faired against his first street level fight against Nightowl. U.Cap did really crappy?

Those feats are not superior, as you say.

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
The bar itself thats right, Cap showed he could bench 1100 lbs easily, so it still doesn't show as you say superior feats. Did you even see how U.Cap faired against his first street level fight against Nightowl. U.Cap did really crappy?

Those feats are not superior, as you say.

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg
Issue #9:

The fight with Hank Pym:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2419/ultimates09p038wh.th.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimates09p038wh.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2373/ultimates09p046wz.th.jpg
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http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimates09p087ui.jpg
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http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimates09p105tp.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5678/ultimates09p110uc.th.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimates09p110uc.jpg 616 cap just dosent compare

Daredevil1
So???

Cap has defeated Rhino, Hyde, and Powerman. Thats still not superior, by any means at all.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap showed he could bench 1100 lbs easily, so it still doesn't show as you say superior feats. http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg according to leading physicians and trainers, a good athlete (as ult cap is) can bench roughly 3x more then they can curl 595x3= 1,785........but thats way off the subject lol!

Galan777
Issue #5:

Here's cap dropping a tank on Hulk:
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/2816/ult05p136tu.th.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p136tu.jpg
Hulk vs. Cap:
http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/8417/ult05p146vq.th.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p146vq.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1388/ult05p150id.th.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p150id.jpg
After that point, he pretty much gets beaten on by Hulk, but it was pretty awesome anyway. And if he would've moved just one second faster he would've been able to inject him and stop him altogether.

He takes a pretty bad beating
http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/2634/ult05p161ts.th.jpg
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p161ts.jpg
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/4407/ult05p214tz.th.jpg
http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p214tz.jpg
and even this beating from an enraged Hulk didnt really hurt ult cap too bad

Daredevil1
Point is it showed Cap curling 500lbs with Beast in training so 595 isn't superior at all.

And here's Cap fighting Ironman. Notice Cap stunns Iroman and takes a beat down.

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann09187tn.jpg

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann09197iv.jpg

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann09209pt.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann09212yz.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann09235uc.jpg

Galan777
Ult cap lifting a tree trunk, much more impressive then what 616 cap has lifted:

http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled5154zw.jpg

Galan777
and just for the hell of it here he is taking Ultimate Wolverine out with a grenade:

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/8339/untitledscanned144rh.th.jpg
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned144rh.jpg
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/5928/untitledscanned154pg.th.jpg
http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned154pg.jpg

Galan777
ive posted my argument...... and i dont care to argue this anymore

-Good Day wink

Daredevil1
Not really.

Here Cap catches thick moving torpedo.
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica37story2page046s.jpg

Here Cap holds up lots of rubble(read narration.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica228171nu.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica229024xf.jpg

Here Cap impressed Thor/Iroman as they are both holding him down and feeling Cap's strength.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009033oc.jpg

Here Cap tackles down the big three Thor, Iroman, and Giantman.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009033oc.jpg

Daredevil1
Cap vs some of Marvels HEAVY weights.

Early in his carrer in Avengers he faught Powerman.
1st fight he was handicapped and as his speed was slown down. As he took some nasty hits from Powerman.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8375/avengersv1021156ub.th.jpg


http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9088/avengersv1021164ds.th.jpg

Second fight Cap loses but he was able to hurt Powerman this time.

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/5223/avengersv1022148pc.th.jpg


http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/5092/avengersv1022158uw.th.jpg


http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6182/avengersv1022167rv.th.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1705/avengersv1022174lu.th.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/4293/avengersv1022183fi.th.jpg


Third fights the charm with the KO from Cap.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/356/tos088800268su.th.jpg


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9458/tos088800277zx.th.jpg


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/180/tos088800290bi.th.jpg

Soljer
Errrmmm....not that Im debating who would win in a fight, but those plates didn't look like any 45's I've ever worked out with. Most people that've been to a big gym know that the general weights are 5's, 10's, 25's, 35's (sometimes, sometimes not), 45's, and then hundred pound plates (mainly used for leg press machines, or the really big benchers).

Those things looked a helluva lot closer to hundred pound plates than fourty five's. But maybe it's just me.

Daredevil1
Nope those look like standard 45's.

Soljer
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nope those look like standard 45's.

If you say so. I lift damn near every day, and those look too thick to be fourty-fives. If you compare a fourty five to a hundred pound plate, you'll notice they don't have a much larger radius, they're just much thicker. Those are definitely too thick to be fourty five's.

Not to mention, look how tall that fuggin tree was! Whaddya think? Twenty times as tall as the men in the picture? 120 foot? 44% as tall as some of the tallest Sequoias. You know, one of the redwoods liked for it's LIGHT WEIGHT?

Yeah.

Guess how much that would make it weigh? Over a thousand tons.

Not saying that Ultimate Captain America is a thousand tonner, but that he realistically supported the crashing weight of a thousand ton tree.

Not that 616 wasn't buried under "countless thousands of tons" of debris as a building fell on top of him, but digging through that much weight is hardly the same as catching it on it's fall. erm.

Daredevil1
Civil war Cap takes lots of damage.

http://img236.imageshack/img236/4254/scan0020hk2.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3426/scan0021td9.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2664/scan0021pb8.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6934/scan0022jt1.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1212/scan0006um7.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4774/scan0007dl1.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5353/scan0007vg6.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/115/scan0008jh8.jpg

Daredevil1
Nope, my brother constanly works out at a gym, and he even told me those look like 45 lb plates. Plus its not like you have a quote from the book and we should assume its the standard, since thats what they look like anyways.

Daredevil1
He wasn't digging though, in the scans that I provide he held up a good portion as well.

Plus the other feats as well.

Soljer
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nope, my brother constanly works out at a gym, and he even told me those look like 45 lb plates. Plus its not like you have a quote from the book and we should assume its the standard, since thats what they look like anyways.

http://www.fitness-equipment.com/acatalog/Fitness_Equipment_Olympic_Weight_Plates___Sets_11.html

Let the folk's make their own decision.

Besides, who is to say that hundred pound plates aren't standard? They're all over my gym.

starlock
i will have to give it to wolverine 8/10

Daredevil1
Agreed it is hard to tell but no quotes from book then just assumption. Just assumption, means just opinion. Means that feat is impressive but irrelevant.

Galan777
Originally posted by Soljer
Errrmmm....not that Im debating who would win in a fight, but those plates didn't look like any 45's I've ever worked out with. Most people that've been to a big gym know that the general weights are 5's, 10's, 25's, 35's (sometimes, sometimes not), 45's, and then hundred pound plates (mainly used for leg press machines, or the really big benchers).

Those things looked a helluva lot closer to hundred pound plates than fourty five's. But maybe it's just me. thats what i thought when i first saw them, but i just wanted to give the lowest possible weight it would be, which is still more then 616 cap ever have claimed to curl

MadroxRox
Ultimate Cap would smash Earth-616 Wolverine's head off with his shield.

He's just that much more hard-core.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Civil war Cap takes lots of damage.

http://img236.imageshack/img236/4254/scan0020hk2.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3426/scan0021td9.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2664/scan0021pb8.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6934/scan0022jt1.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1212/scan0006um7.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4774/scan0007dl1.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5353/scan0007vg6.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/115/scan0008jh8.jpg Ironman gave him this beating and he was severly injured, and hardly able to stand...... When Hulk (who is much stronger then Ironman) beat the crap out of Ult Cap he was hardly injured, in fact after the beating; Ult cap was up and giving tactical orders in the next pannel like he wasnt hurt at all, which shows how durable he is:

He takes a pretty bad beating
http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/2634/ult05p161ts.th.jpg
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p161ts.jpg
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/4407/ult05p214tz.th.jpg
http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p214tz.jpg
Tactical genius:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5223/ult05p233dh.th.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p233dh.jpg

Metalmanx
Originally posted by MadroxRox
Ultimate Cap would smash Earth-616 Wolverine's head off with his shield.

He's just that much more hard-core.

Well, not OFF persay. But I get your point nonetheless.

rock

Grimm22
Originally posted by Galan777
and just for the hell of it here he is taking Ultimate Wolverine out with a grenade:

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Best part of Ultimate Nightmare thumbsup

Not because I dont like Ult. Wolverine, but because it shows that he is vulerable.

That and the whole, Wolverine couldnt cut that guy just shows how Warren Ellis feels about Wolverine big grin

Galan777
Originally posted by Grimm22
Best part of Ultimate Nightmare thumbsup

Not because I dont like Ult. Wolverine, but because it shows that he is vulerable.

That and the whole, Wolverine couldnt cut that guy just shows how Warren Ellis feels about Wolverine big grin It was my favorite part as well! big grin

MadroxRox
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, not OFF persay. But I get your point nonetheless.

rock

Not to disagree with you (because I think you have a point).

But I would point out that Cap stood up to the Hulk fairly well.

Ultimate Hulk tore Ultimate Wolverine in two.

Now the new Earth-616 Wolverine is a bit tougher.

But, in truth, it wouldn't be inconceivable for Wolverine to be split, beheaded, whatever, given the right circumstance and force. In fact, that's how the most recent issue of Wolverine's ongoing series ended.

Grimm22
Mainly because Ult. Wolverine isnt a samurai or whatever. erm

He is how Wolverine should be written big grin

Metalmanx
Originally posted by MadroxRox
Not to disagree with you (because I think you have a point).

But I would point out that Cap stood up to the Hulk fairly well.

Ultimate Hulk tore Ultimate Wolverine in two.

Now the new Earth-616 Wolverine is a bit tougher.

But, in truth, it wouldn't be inconceivable for Wolverine to be split, beheaded, whatever, given the right circumstance and force. In fact, that's how the most recent issue of Wolverine's ongoing series ended.

Well, yea. Of course he CAN be decapitated or split in two if he came in contact with enough force. It would have to some incredibly, universal power that did it though. Or, I dunno. Superman could probably do it. stick out tongue

But I digress. Ult. Cap wins.

Galan777
Originally posted by MadroxRox
Not to disagree with you (because I think you have a point).

But I would point out that Cap stood up to the Hulk fairly well.

This is very true Cap got in a few really good shots on Hulk. When Hulk started to beat the crap out of Ult Cap he was hardly injured, in fact after the beating; Ult cap was up and giving tactical orders in the next pannel like he wasnt hurt at all, which shows how durable he is:

He takes a pretty bad beating
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Tactical genius:
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Daredevil1
Hardly able to stand the guy flew and hit Cap with a flying strike after he was hit from Spiderman. And then he flew Cap through a thick wall.

Plus I doubt right now U.Hulk has better strength feats then Ironman.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Hardly able to stand the guy flew and hit Cap with a flying strike after he was hit from Spiderman. And then he flew Cap through a thick wall.

Plus I doubt right now U.Hulk has better strength feats then Ironman. I would hope you are not saying that Ult Hulk's punches arent as strong as Ironman's, because i dont see how you could believe that.....

Daredevil1
Your the one that stated U.hulk is stronger then Iroman. Unless your reffering about ultimate Ironman then yeah.

But feat wise Ironman has probably better strength feats. Also you forget that Hulk's was also hurt from U.Ironman and a tank drop before he fought U.Cap.

Daredevil1
Also here's another nice strength feat for 616-Cap.
Although the shield helped by absorbing impact, since that what the shield does. It does not take away weight.

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Daredevil1
Plus lets not ignore skill.

Cap has been stated to be one of earths best by Daredevil, Hawkeye, Blackpanther. And even Zaran stated he is an even greater fighter then Shang-chi.

Cap has also displayed shield-skills that U.Cap couldn't even dream of.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your the one that stated U.hulk is stronger then Iroman. Unless your reffering about ultimate Ironman then yeah.

But feat wise Ironman has probably better strength feats. Also you forget that Hulk's was also hurt from U.Ironman and a tank drop before he fought U.Cap. If you honestly think Ironman is stronger then Ult hulk then I'm not going to talk anymore eek!

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap has also displayed shield-skills that U.Cap couldn't even dream of. A bold statment, i have provided scans that show that Ult caps feats are just outright better then 616 caps, just his durability/strength feats alone should be enough to convince you of this

Grimm22
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Plus lets not ignore skill.

Cap has been stated to be one of earths best by Daredevil, Hawkeye, Blackpanther. And even Zaran stated he is an even greater fighter then Shang-chi.

Cap has also displayed shield-skills that U.Cap couldn't even dream of.

Ult. Cap is about even in skills with 616 Cap no expression

He just dosent have as much experience

Daredevil1
You probably shouldn't since you won't have any U.Hulk strength feats to match against U.Ironman.


Plus U.Hulk's powerlevel changes so to say he was at his strongest levels is irrelevant.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
You probably shouldn't since you won't have any U.Hulk strength feats to match against U.Ironman.


Plus U.Hulk's powerlevel changes so to say he was at his strongest levels is irrelevant. Its hulk we are talking about, do you need any feats to say that he is stronger then Ironman? Well Whatever roll eyes (sarcastic)

Daredevil1
Alright then it should be easy for you to show U.Cap doing advanced pressure point fighting like so.





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Some nice skill feats and statements about Cap.

Escaping a bear hug from Hercules son of Zeus.

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Everyone one falls exept Spidey/Cap and yet even Spiderman ponders on how Cap did it.

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Cap shows he can pressure point nerves with pressure.

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Cap shows he can pressure point with hand strikes on a Superhuman Warewolf to boot.

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Cap even shows he can pressure point with his shield lucky for the Robot that don't have points though.

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Cap even registers a pressuer point on hulk as his eyes light up.

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Daredevil1
It isn't the hulk its u.hulk. Plus I see you ignore that Hulk's powerlevel varies.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
It isn't the hulk its u.hulk. Plus I see you ignore that Hulk's powerlevel varies. If you want to go on arguing that Ironman is stronger then Ult. Hulk, then go right ahead roll eyes (sarcastic) ......... but for the battle at hand Ult. Cap slaughters Wolvie smokin'

-end of story

Grimm22
Originally posted by Galan777
If you want to go on arguing that Ironman is stronger then Ult. Hulk, then go right ahead roll eyes (sarcastic) ......... but for the battle at hand Ult. Cap slaughters Wolvie smokin'

-end of story

Just wait till the Roost gets here laughing

i guarantee he's going to mention how Wolverine goes up against Hulk and yadda yadda yadda stick out tongue

Galan777
Originally posted by Grimm22
Just wait till the Roost gets here laughing

i guarantee he's going to mention how Wolverine goes up against Hulk and yadda yadda yadda stick out tongue ohhh well, that still wont change the fact that Cap would shove his shield up Wolvies ass! evil face

Daredevil1
Also Cap has other skill full feats.

Before the big Kang battle, in whick Cap defeated Kang. Cap showed that he could master- an alien-form of fighting in one day, in which other warriors could only do so as it took them decades, in which Cap did that in one single day.


More skill in when Captain America was training Parker he was teaching him in concentracion with energy with strikes as in Chi/ki. As which Cap shows he knows this concept by trying to teach it to Parker.

I highly doubt U.Cap has feats such as these.

In another skill feat Cap can feel wind-shifts when an opponent is about to do a sneak attack ala the Black-Panther fight.

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Beside's all that in the marvel verse- Cap has been stated by the likes of Daredevil, Logan, Hawkeye, Black-Panther to be one of earths top best. As even Zaran stated Cap is an even greater fighter then Shang-Chi.

U.Cap has never been stated as such.

Daredevil1
I doubt that. Look at all of U.Cap's battles getting tagged a lot by the likes of U.Hulk, Kleiser the Scroll, Abomonation.

And lets not forget the regular human Nightowl who was also tagging U.Cap left and right.

Sure U.Cap has good durability from taking such damage, but so does Logan. And he won't be taking strike impact-force from Logan but sharp strikes, which I don't see U.Cap enjoying very well.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Beside's all that in the marvel verse- Cap has been stated by the like of Daredevil, Logan, Hawkeye, Black-Panther to be one of earths top best. As even Zaran stated Cap is an even greater fighter then Shang-Chi.

U.Cap has never been stated as such. Ohh but he has my friend, but I'm done arguing this dead subject....... Cya! stick out tongue

Daredevil1
Alright show me a A-list Martial artist like Daredevil, Logan, Zaran, or Blackpanther saying U.Cap is one of the best fighters on Earth?

Or at least feats of fancy pressure-point fighting to mastering a martial art in a day, which other masters took decades to do so. Or showing the understanding of using ki to sensing shifts in the breeze on when someone is doing a sneak attack.

Should be an easy task.


Also I haven't even bothered with Cap's superior shield throwing skills.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I doubt that. Look at all of U.Cap's battles getting tagged a lot by the likes of U.Hulk, Kleiser the Scroll, Abomonation.

And lets not forget the regular human Nightowl who was also tagging U.Cap left and right.

Sure U.Cap has good durability from taking such damage, but so does Logan. And he won't be taking strike impact-force from Logan but sharp strikes, which I don't see U.Cap enjoying very well. And wolvie wouldnt get "tagged" by the Hulk? roll eyes (sarcastic)

As for Kleiser, Cap beat the shit out of him:

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But as i said, i'm done, you obviously dont know as much about Ult cap as you say... stick out tongue

Daredevil1
Only because Nick fury distracted him and helped U.Cap plus lets not forget that U.Cap used a jet to ram into Kleiser to then blow up on the alien. So no he didn't do it by himself.

And were did I say wolvie would not get "tagged" by Hulk? Where...?

I stated U.Cap can take good punishment, and gets hit a lot. But lets face it, he's not going to take too well three long claws in his neck or for that matter his head sliced off.

Daredevil1
Actually you just proved my point with those scans.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually you just proved my point with those scans. what point? You have made no points where those scans are concerned. You said Klieser got the better of Cap, and i proved you wrong

Daredevil1
Only got the better of him with help from Nick-Fury and a big sized Jet, which you are ignoring.

You proved my point that U.Cap takes blunt-force damage well and gets hit a lot during his fights. But he may take impact well from strong bricks thing of a agile, faster fighter like Logan. And he won't be taking well sharp claws since thats not impact but slicing thats going to happen.

Considering
A. Logan can take just as good damage and is just as skilled.

B. He has a better healing facter and unlike U.Cap has unbreakable bones.

C. Logan won't be giving him impact force like Kleser but sharp strikes that can go through him completely or decapitate him. As you showed with the scans that U.Cap takes usually lots of punishment and now add that he's fighting someone as skillfull as he is and as fast.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Only got the better of him with help from Nick-Fury and a big sized Jet, which you are ignoring.

You proved my point that U.Cap takes blunt-force damage well and gets hit a lot during his fights. But he may take impact well from strong bricks thing of a agile, faster fighter like Logan. And he won't be taking well sharp claws since thats not impact but slicing thats going to happen.

Considering
A. Logan can take just as good damage and is just as skilled.

B. He has a better healing facter and unlike U.Cap has unbreakable bones.

C. Logan won't be giving him impact force like Kleser but sharp strikes that can go through him completely or decapitate him. As you showed with the scans that U.Cap takes usually lots of punishment and now add that he's fighting someone as skillfull as he is and as fast. i agree that IF Wolvie got the opportunity he could do this, but i personally dont think he could ever get close enough to Cap to kill him

Daredevil1
Concidering Hulk, Kleiser, Abomonation to even a regular human martial artist like Nighowl, could I disagree.

And those guys are not as fast or as agile as Wolverine.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Concidering Hulk, Kleiser, Abomonation to even a regular human martial artist like Nighowl, could I disagree.

And those guys are not as fast or as agile as Wolverine. Well Kleiser /w/ his healing factor is well above Wolvie, but

Here's Ult Cap's famous fight with the Russian supersoldier, and dont try to tell me Wolvie is better then this guy:

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Daredevil1
I guess in your logic anyone that gives U.Cap trouble is better then Logan...hmmmmm?

I could show you scans of Logan putting the Thing and many others down. That does not help your case.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I guess in your logic anyone that gives U.Cap trouble is better then Logan...hmmmmm?

I could show you scans of Logan putting the Thing and many others down. That does not help your case. I never said Logan was weak by any means, but you seem to be counting Cap out of this fight very quickly without giving the feats he does have any consideration

Daredevil1
Next you'll be showing U.Cap defeat the terrorist with the Lightsabre to prove he can beat Logan, huh?

Daredevil1
Were did I dismiss his feats....were?

I stated his feats are impressive. You just could not prove there superior by any means.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Were did I dismiss his feats....were?

I stated his feats are impressive. You just could not prove there superior by any means. nore can you prove he isnt superior wink

Grimm22
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I doubt that. Look at all of U.Cap's battles getting tagged a lot by the likes of U.Hulk, Kleiser the Scroll, Abomonation.

And lets not forget the regular human Nightowl who was also tagging U.Cap left and right.

Sure U.Cap has good durability from taking such damage, but so does Logan. And he won't be taking strike impact-force from Logan but sharp strikes, which I don't see U.Cap enjoying very well.

Which was crap writing no expression

Ult. Cap >>>>>>>> Nightowl

Daredevil1
Nope but we both know both U.Cap and Logan can take tons of damage. Only one has unbreakable bones, only one heals faster then the other. Only one can give more effective damage then the other with via strikes considering one has a set of claws that can go through such beings like Thing and Namor.


No offence you couldn't even prove he's superior to 616-Cap in strength.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nope but we both know both U.Cap and Logan can take tons of damage. Only one has unbreakable bones, only one heals faster then the other. Only one can give more effective damage then the other with via strikes considering one has a set of claws that can go through such beings like Thing and Namor.


No offence you couldn't even prove he's superior to 616-Cap in strength. And caps adamantium shield means nothing?

Grimm22
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Only one can give more effective damage then the other with via strikes considering one has a set of claws that can go through such beings like Thing and Namor.

If you mean by being able to stab, in Namor's case the ability to make his opponent just stand around like an idiot rather than kicking the crap out of Wolverine then yes yes

In Thing's case, if you mean stabbing him and making him lose everything that made his character great and whatnot and make him just shrivil up and die rather than continue fighting and smash Wolveirne into a coma

Yeah you make SOOO much sense roll eyes (sarcastic)

Daredevil1
Lame I could use that logic.

If U.Hulk actually fought smart he could have ripped U.Cap apart or worse throw him into the stratosphere.





Sure but its not doing much to someone he heals much faster and has unbreakable bones to boot.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Lame I could use that logic.

If U.Hulk actually fought smart he could have ripped U.Cap apart or worse throw him into the stratosphere.





Sure but its not doing much to someone he heals much faster and has unbreakable bones to boot. the last i heard, adamantium can cut adamantium wink and what are caps shield and wolvies bones composed of?

Ultraman Baltan
Ultimate Cap wins. He was just so badass.

Daredevil1
Yeah so imagine what Logan's claws will do to U.Cap shield. U.Cap's shield hasn't been stated to be sharp like 616-Cap.

smile

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah so imagine what Logan's claws will do to U.Cap. U.Cap's shield hasn't been stated to be sharp like 616-Cap.

smile Right and thats why he couldnt chop Klieser in half or anything roll eyes (sarcastic)

Daredevil1
No offence but I could put a butter knife in you doesn't mean its sharp like Logans claws.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
No offence but I could put a butter knife in you doesn't mean its sharp like Logans claws. you said his shield wasnt stated as being sharp thats all i was correcting

Daredevil1
And you failed unless you have a quote thats states its sharp.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
And you failed unless you have a quote thats states its sharp. Please, your going to argue these things endlessly and its getting annoying........... Its just like you said Ironman is stronger then Ult. Hulk, and Ult Cap's shield isnt sharp laughing roll eyes (sarcastic)

Daredevil1
I see......... you have no proof at all, thanks.

Next you'll be saying a hammer is sharp just because someone can put it through flesh LOL

capt it up
adamatium can not cut adamatium


also 616 wolverine wins. ult wolverine is a pussy.

ultcapt beating hulk in h2h combat made sense?
I guy who can heal instantly and is class 100 will be taken out by a class 2 punches? are you serous.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I see......... you have no proof at all, thanks. and you sure as hell dont either, i have provided numerous scans depicting ult cap's abilities and you ignore them and come back with things like "unless it's stated that Ult. Cap's shield is sharp, then it isn't sharp" this is such a rediculous comment, and it will no longer waste any of my time wink

Daredevil1
I did not ignore any of them they are impressive like 616-Cap. They are nice feats, but you don't have any proof that his shield is sharp.

Grimm22
Originally posted by capt it up
adamatium can not cut adamatium


also 616 wolverine wins. ult wolverine is a pussy.

ultcapt beating hulk in h2h combat made sense?
I guy who can heal instantly and is class 100 will be taken out by a class 2 punches? are you serous.

Yet you try to justify Ult. Wolverine kicking over Ult. Thing What the f**k?

Also, your always the one who is saying how Wolverine fighting Hulk with no problem laughing

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I did not ignore any of them they are impressive like 616-Cap. They are nice feats, but you don't have any proof that his shield is sharp. I cant believe you are now debating that 616 Cap's shield is "sharper" then Ult. Cap's shield laughing ..................come on man this is getting rediculous

Daredevil1
616 Cap shield has been stated to have a sharp edged in Avengers vol 1 #7 to later on in Cap vol 1 # 438 it tells us again it slices, it dices.

See simple....evidence to back up claims.

Were is your evidence....I see you don't have any.

capt it up
Originally posted by Grimm22
Yet you try to justify Ult. Wolverine kicking over Ult. Thing What the f**k?

Also, your always the one who is saying how Wolverine fighting Hulk with no problem laughing

ya I do not see a porblem with that at all. ultwolverine can and did knock over a off balanced thing.

ult capt could do the same thing. hell the only porblem I have with ult capt taking on hulk is becase he beat him with his fist which would be impossable to do with a class 100 who has a extremely powerful healign factor.


ya I don't have a problem with wolverine fighting hulk becuase he uses claws and has a healing factor that allow him taking hits from hulk. capt has no way of damaging hulk and has no way to survive a punch from hulk.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
616 Cap shield has been stated to have a sharp edged in Avengers vol 1 #7 to later on in Cap vol 1 # 438 it tells us again it slices, it dices.

See simple....evidence to back up claims.

Were is your evidence....I see you don't have any. This is in the realm of just being so stupid that i can hardly hold in my laughs..... Your right Ult. Cap's shield is dull and blunt, and it cant cut through anything wink

Daredevil1
So now you use resort to name calling, since you have no evidence. Typicall.

capt it up
who cares. adamatium can not cut adamatium

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
So now you use resort to name calling, since you have no evidence. Typicall. where in that post did i call you a name? Show me.... I was refering to this argument wink

Daredevil1
So be it. Still you have no evidence to support your claim.

Galan777
Originally posted by Daredevil1
So be it. Still you have no evidence to support your claim. HAHA laughing out loud So be it buddy

Daredevil1
laughing smile

Grimm22
Originally posted by capt it up
ya I do not see a porblem with that at all. ultwolverine can and did knock over a off balanced thing.


With a kick?!?! What the f**k?

Even though Ben has been hit by a truck and he didnt even feel it no expression

Of course, the mighty Wolverine's kick apparently > A truck right? roll eyes (sarcastic)

capt it up
Originally posted by Grimm22
With a kick?!?! What the f**k?

Even though Ben has been hit by a truck and he didnt even feel it no expression

Of course, the mighty Wolverine's kick apparently > A truck right? roll eyes (sarcastic)
thing was off balanced and he was hit by a fast moving strong and skilled opponet.


thing in 616 been knocked over by many many street level characters.


things not even in this debate why the hell are you bring this up? you just wanan get in some pissing match over ult wolverine. I don't give a shit about ult wolverine. I hate the character

Grimm22
Originally posted by capt it up
thing was off balanced and he was hit by a fast moving strong and skilled opponet.


thing in 616 been knocked over by many many street level characters.


things not even in this debate why the hell are you bring this up? you just wanan get in some pissing match over ult wolverine. I don't give a shit about ult wolverine. I hate the character

Im just pointing out that no matter which version of Wolverine, you will always blatently debate to the end even when it makes no sense no expression

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