Reparations?

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Morgoths_Wrath
We had a class discussion on this today and I was interested to hear what everyone here thought about slave descendants getting reparations form the government. What do you think?

Spelljammer
Never even heard of that till now. That has to be by far the stupidiest thing our goverment has ever done, and they've done some pretty stupid things..

Most of the time SpellJammer dissaproves of the goverment funding much of anything, but something like this moreso. What does what happend to your anscestors, hell, even your grandmother, have to do with the goverment? Nothing.. Why doesn't everybody get a break simply because bad stuff happend down thier family line? Infact, why not just make the United States into a socialism right now and call it a day?

Sometimes SpellJammer thinks Stalin runs this country..

Morgoths_Wrath
just to clarify, this hasn't actually happened, but there has been debate

Spelljammer
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
just to clarify, this hasn't actually happened, but there has been debate
Oh, well.. there hasn't been an idea this bad sense the fillebuster..

Which got passed.. -_ -;

Republicans want to control all buisness..
Democrats want buisness to control all.. ~_~

FeceMan
I demand Rice Krispie treats as reparations.

AdventChild
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Never even heard of that till now. That has to be by far the stupidiest thing our goverment has ever done, and they've done some pretty stupid things..

Most of the time SpellJammer dissaproves of the goverment funding much of anything, but something like this moreso. What does what happend to your anscestors, hell, even your grandmother, have to do with the goverment? Nothing.. Why doesn't everybody get a break simply because bad stuff happend down thier family line? Infact, why not just make the United States into a socialism right now and call it a day?

Sometimes SpellJammer thinks Stalin runs this country..

well looked what happened to the native americans......
that's completly understandable in my opinion but no not to slavery ancestors....its partialally their fault any way....selling people in africa by africans...

Shakyamunison
If we do this, it will cause so much resentment within our country that more harm will be done than has been done. We need to educate people, not pay them off.

Spelljammer
True about the natives, but they own peices of land, which they've proven to either make into beautiful lively terrain, or own succesful gambeling industries. What is a black guy going to do with a hundred dollar paycheck for his greatgreat grandfather being shoe shine boy?

Besides, we Americans treat slavery as like the worse thing we ever did. And as said before, slavery go's onto this day in many other countries. And if you don't think Americans don't own slaves today, then you are deffinitly sheltered. Wether it's big buisness sweatshops, or cheap labour on the black market, slave-ownership is nothing new. Exsept now women and children are the popular thing, not negros..

KidRock
I think I should get reperations for my Irish ancestors who were treated badly coming off the boat. I also think I should get reperations for my Italian ancestors..something bad must have happened to them..aw hell I just want money actually.

feralboy
i think we shouldn't get it. i know y'all gonna hate what i'm about say but it's the truth.all it's gone do is go back to the rich.it won't be use by most blacks.it won't be used for college,new businesses

Wolf Dog
Yah, the filibuster is pretty ****in stupid. Stupid Bob Dole.

Echuu
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
We had a class discussion on this today and I was interested to hear what everyone here thought about slave descendants getting reparations form the government. What do you think?

No.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FeceMan
I demand Rice Krispie treats as reparations.

I love that man big grin

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by FeceMan
I demand Rice Krispie treats as reparations.


But, no one has ever discriminated against shit.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But, no one has ever discriminated against shit.
I did once....I refused to let it out for a week.....but it got me back...I had to go to hospital fopr 3 Months.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
I did once....I refused to let it out for a week.....but it got me back...I had to go to hospital fopr 3 Months.


My nephew did htat when he was potty training. He literally didn't go for about 2 weeks...and had to go to the hospital

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
My nephew did htat when he was potty training. He literally didn't go for about 2 weeks...and had to go to the hospital


Yeah well.....but I made the story up...so I win.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah well.....but I made the story up...so I win.


So, people DO discriminate against shit! Wow.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, people DO discriminate against shit! Wow.

No, I discriminate against people discriminating against shit. And what has Warcraft to do with any of that?

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I discriminate against people discriminating against shit. And what has Warcraft to do with any of that?


I'll assume the warcraft reference has something to do with 'WOW'

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'll assume the warcraft reference has something to do with 'WOW'
It indeed does ....you are quite an assumer right there.....ever thought of assuming professionally?

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
It indeed does ....you are quite an assumer right there.....ever thought of assuming professionally?


Yes. I already do. I like to make an ass out of you, and me.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Yes. I already do. I like to make an ass out of you, and me.

Oh now I see.....I figured it was your nature...but well....I congratulate you...you are really good in it. stick out tongue

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh now I see.....I figured it was your nature...but well....I congratulate you...you are really good in it. stick out tongue


Damn right!


So, forty acres and a mule....yeah.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Damn right!


So, forty acres and a mule....yeah.

Wow,...we off-topiced that one.....

Anyways....forty acres and a mule......that'S not that much now is it?

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow,...we off-topiced that one.....

Anyways....forty acres and a mule......that'S not that much now is it?


It's really not. But, it's more than they had at that time. It's like self-sufficent welfare.

debbiejo
Nope...It's been talked about here, and it's the stupidest idea ever...Why should we pay out of our pockets for something we had nothing to do with....If we did, guess what other groups would also come forward...it would be a never ending payment out for things that happened in history.....Yeah, it wasn't me, nor my parents, nor my grand parents that owned slaves...Infact there is Indian blood in my family...Hmmmm payment??????.....And some of my relatives lived at the time of Mussolini....Should we also pay the groups that were murdered?.....I vote no.....Besides Africans were also slaves of other Africans even before.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It's really not. But, it's more than they had at that time. It's like self-sufficent welfare.

True, but I guess it adds up....would have been a good idea back then....and would have put an end to that arguement...I mean both sides actually have a point nowqadays...back then the Blacks just were right......

Cinemaddiction
I don't owe anyone a damn thing, and that goes for everyone alive today.

End of discussion.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I don't owe anyone a damn thing, and that goes for everyone alive today.

End of discussion.

Pretty much.

Whittdawg92
No one needs reparations. You were not put into slavery and the white people's descendents should not have to pay for something that they cannot control. End of discussion. Plus I'm african american and american indian, so I could (but am not) be twice as mad.

black robb
I think asking for reparations is a little much. I mean that's just being greedy.People shouldnt have to pay for stuff that happened over a century ago.

Whittdawg92
word.

tabby999
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I don't owe anyone a damn thing, and that goes for everyone alive today.

End of discussion.

yep, the same thing has happened with John Howard not saying "sorry" to the aboriginals in aus. he didn't do anything to them, nor did i, i dont think he needs to apologise

Morgoths_Wrath
*bump*

botankus
Originally posted by FeceMan
I demand Rice Krispie treats as reparations.

What happened to Feceman? Did someone flush?

Bardock42
Originally posted by botankus
What happened to Feceman? Did someone flush?
Oh yeah....I miss him sad

And the Rice Krispie treats sad

FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

Really? I bet it was mostly idiots that picked "Yes" in the poll....

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Bardock42
Really? I bet it was mostly idiots that picked "Yes" in the poll....

Idiots? Like non-whites, you mean?

typical..

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

Cobras?

RedSkull
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

Cobras? What the f**k?

Alliance
dunno what they reference is.

FistOfThe North
What type of an animal cobra, kids?

tabby999
i'm still on the fence on this one. should decenants (who did nothing wrong) pay for past mistakes of the older generation, who, if still alive would probably still think they were perfectly correct and justified in their actions? we dont have the "reparation" deal in Australia but our prime minister has made no bones in not appologising to the "stolen generation," which i kind of think is sucky but kind of agree with. its not something that is black and white, such a huge grey area.

FistOfThe North
Face it. Most whites now are privileged because of the benefits they reaped over the generations from the worst of all American atrocities; Black Slavery

If I were white and I knew my ancestors committed what they did to other human beings for hundreds of years, I'd be for helping out in some way, even if it was minor. But instead racism is offered. It's horrible.

And I think every President up to Abe Lincoln should be posthumously indicted on charges of crimes against humanity.

tabby999
yeah but if someone with a family history that includes slavery gives the descendants a small amount of money, they're considered cheapskates and are instantly branded racists again. sure, some of the people who had slaves did go on to be mega rich, but not all of them. i'm sure there are suburbanites with a history of slavery in the family tree, they dont have large sums of money to give away as reperation to past crimes.
if say (and this is an example people, not fact) Bill Gates checks out his family history, finds that his great, great, great, great grandfather had slaves and wants to give them money as an appology, good for him, he could give their familys $25 million each and it'd be a drop in the ocean. but if i looked back and found out i had a great great great great grandfather who had slaves, i couldn't afford to pay their decendants reparations. Hatebreeds "Another Day, Another Vandetta";

"I see the homeless standing out on the streets
On every corner, they're asking for money
I try to help them whenever I can but sometimes
I can't afford to help myself"

i'm not calling black people homeless but i think the point is still there, should someone whos not well off have to give their savings up to pay for a past injustice? i dont think so.

tabby999
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

and, by the way, THAT is racist.

Morgoths_Wrath

tabby999
damn straight, i couldn't agree more

Daedalus
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.

I voted "No".

Simply because all its going to do is generate more racist problems. And I don't see why people should pay for something that happened hundreds of years ago and, had absolutely nothing to do with.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Face it. Most whites now are privileged because of the benefits they reaped over the generations from the worst of all American atrocities; Black Slavery

So... I guess you'd be happy, say, to pay reparations to Native Americans? I mean technically all white and black people in the US today benefit from the fact they got shoved of their land a few hundred years ago, so it's only fair they get some money as well, surely.



Seems awfully specific there - do you only want the descendants of slavers to pay money to the descendants of actual slaves? Or do you want all white people to pay to all black people?

I still don't think reparations are the way. What good, prey tell, would a lump sum of money really achieve (other then buggering up the economy)? How much money would it take to wash away the pain? Or would you agree it would be better for money to be allocated to things like education, health care and the like in order to reduce the current day gap?



Maybe we could indict the explorers who discovered Africa, and the English and...

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bet it was mostly whites that picked "No" in the poll.

lol, fcuking cobras.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Cobras? Originally posted by RedSkull
Cobras? What the f**k?
fcuking?


Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Idiots? Like non-whites, you mean?

typical..

Yeah, basically...

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Bardock42
fcuking?

Since i could say ****ing i said fcuking, braniac.




Yeah, basically...

Yeah basically? Typical whitey. Xenophobic, racist, elitists.

I think mostly all whites have a racist agenda. 85% 90% of you guys. White people just act like they don't have that agenda around other people who skin isn't white. For example, like when they say "I have blacks friends." lol, it's like "so?"..my 3rd leg is 7 inches.

And how they act super-nice...it's funny as hell.

KidRock
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yeah basically? Typical whitey. Xenophobic, racist, elitists.

I think mostly all whites have a racist agenda. 85% 90% of you guys. White people just act like they don't have that agenda around other people who skin isn't white. For example, like when they say "I have blacks friends." lol, it's like "so?"..my 3rd leg is 7 inches.

And how they act super-nice...it's funny as hell.

Pretty much how 85-90% of blacks just want free handouts from the government instead of working actual jobs, right?

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by KidRock
Pretty much how 85-90% of blacks just want free handouts from the government instead of working actual jobs, right?

My sentiments exactly. The racist agenda.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

Maybe we could indict the explorers who discovered Africa, and the English and...

But that happened overseas. Not on U.S. soil. Who gives a fcuk what happened with those explorers and the English.

George Washington owned 200 slaves. And I read that he was Major *******. A few other presidents raped their black female slaves yet they were called our, true American heroes, brave men, triumphant souls, The Framers. Well frame this....

Every U.S. President that ever had slaves could suck my veiny dcik. I'd piss on their graves if I could. Fcuk 'em. Fcuk 'em all to hell.

Grimm22
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Cobras?

COBRA!!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Grimm22/cobra_commander.jpg

Osaka
America nuked two cities in japan and fired bombed a few others. They also rounded up 150,000 japanese americans and their families and put them into concentration camps.

I want my free handout now! mad

Darth Macabre
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yeah basically? Typical whitey. Xenophobic, racist, elitists.

I think mostly all whites have a racist agenda. 85% 90% of you guys. White people just act like they don't have that agenda around other people who skin isn't white. For example, like when they say "I have blacks friends." lol, it's like "so?"..my 3rd leg is 7 inches.

And how they act super-nice...it's funny as hell.


That's rich....A racist preaching about racism.

Darth Callous
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
That's rich....A racist preaching about racism.

Burn! laughing out loud

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
That's rich....A racist preaching about racism.

To call someone a racist is not racism. Don't get it twisted.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yeah basically? Typical whitey. Xenophobic, racist, elitists.

I think mostly all whites have a racist agenda. 85% 90% of you guys. White people just act like they don't have that agenda around other people who skin isn't white. For example, like when they say "I have blacks friends." lol, it's like "so?"..my 3rd leg is 7 inches.

And how they act super-nice...it's funny as hell.

Dare I ask what that agenda is? Because for the life of me I can't find a racist agenda in my life, and none of my friends seem to have one either (white or non-white)

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by KidRock
Pretty much how 85-90% of blacks just want free handouts from the government instead of working actual jobs, right?

Free handouts? Blacks have been working for free for more than 300 years for whitey. How about that for a free handout. Lol, wtf are you talking about.

If anything, payback's a bi*ch, isn't it.

Osaka
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Free handouts? Blacks have been working for free for more than 300 years for whitey. How about that for a free handout. Lol, wtf are you talking about.

If anything, payback's a bi*ch, isn't it.

Did you persoanly work for free for 300 years? Did your neighbors? No you and they didn't, so yes you are just looking for a free handout.

Darth Macabre
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
To call someone a racist is not racism. Don't get it twisted.
So calling white people "whiteys" isn't racist? Umm...Yeah "blackey".

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
To call someone a racist is not racism. Don't get it twisted.

Actually it is not about calling someone racist, but rather claiming that racism is essentially a racial tribute of "whites"; which, for all intents and purposes is a pretty racist thing to do - especially when there is no proof other then a persons personal bias against a particular racial group.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yeah basically? Typical whitey. Xenophobic, racist, elitists.

I think mostly all whites have a racist agenda. 85% 90% of you guys. White people just act like they don't have that agenda around other people who skin isn't white. For example, like when they say "I have blacks friends." lol, it's like "so?"..my 3rd leg is 7 inches.

And how they act super-nice...it's funny as hell.

Can't even take a joke, can ya, nigga?

It is this kind of racism you are referring to at the moment?

PVS
why are there two threads on this?

Bardock42
Originally posted by PVS
why are there two threads on this?

What do you mean?....two threads?

botankus
For the idiots with half the brainpower as most.

Soleran
Originally posted by botankus
For the idiots with half the brainpower as most.



I don't get it.........................

botankus
Read the other thread, Sol, and add it to your knowledge. wink

What is that in your avi, a cheetah?

Soleran
Leopard!

Yeah, I was outwitted in a half witted thread, owned

botankus
Yeah, but I was owned in the African Cat Department.

Soleran
Originally posted by botankus
Yeah, but I was owned in the African Cat Department.


Yeah but I saw through you on that comment....................African Cat is some reference to these so called "African," Americans and Cat=meaning a dude.


So actually you were really staying at least 73.28% on topic, very good.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Osaka
Did you persoanly work for free for 300 years? Did your neighbors? No you and they didn't, so yes you are just looking for a free handout.

Me? I don't want any thing. Im not even black. Don't get it twisted my Asiatic friend, it's ok.

But the profits have endured and are being enjoyed by the oppressor.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Me? I don't want any thing. Im not even black. Don't get it twisted my Asiatic friend, it's ok.

But the profits have endured and are being enjoyed by the oppressor.

What "race" are you then?

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
So calling white people "whiteys" isn't racist? Umm...Yeah "blackey".
What an irrelevant and stupid comparison.

When whites do it or say it, it's racism, When non-colored people do it, it isn't.

We say it jokingly. You said blackie seriously. Like you mean it.

That's the difference.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What an irrelevant and stupid comparison.

When whites do it or say it, it's racism, When non-colored people do it, it isn't.

We say it jokingly. You said blackie seriously. Like you mean it.

That's the difference.

You are a ****ing dumbass....now that I meant serious...not racist, you just are....

Darth Macabre
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What an irrelevant and stupid comparison.

When whites do it or say it, it's racism, When non-colored people do it, it isn't.

We say it jokingly. You said blackie seriously. Like you mean it.

That's the difference.

Wow...That is the most stupid and ignorant post ever....Congratulations.



Do you even realize what you just said? If not...Go back...And read it again...

KidRock
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What an irrelevant and stupid comparison.

When whites do it or say it, it's racism, When non-colored people do it, it isn't.

We say it jokingly. You said blackie seriously. Like you mean it.

That's the difference.

Yeah..iv just come to the conclusion this guy is a complete TROLL.


http://www.solopassion.com/files/trolls.png

Oh shit..the troll is black..RACIST!!!

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Bardock42
What "race" are you then?

Was that site a joke, or what. Saying "We are well-liked by Black people so we're psyched (since lots of Black people don't like lots of white people) !!

w/e, man...

Anyway, I was born in New York but both my parents were born in the Dominican Republic. So I'm a Dominican-American.

Bardock42
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Was that site a joke, or what. Saying "We are well-liked by Black people so we're psyched (since lots of Black people don't like lots of white people) !!

w/e, man...

Anyway, I was born in New York but both my parents were born in the Dominican Republic. So I'm a Dominican-American.

Not what Nationality you are now or your parents are...what race?

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Bardock42
Not what Nationality you are now or your parents are...what race?

Hispanic. Latin.

debbiejo
Can I tell mine too??? big grin

tabby999
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What an irrelevant and stupid comparison.

When whites do it or say it, it's racism, When non-colored people do it, it isn't.

We say it jokingly. You said blackie seriously. Like you mean it.

That's the difference.

jesus tap dancing christ. you say that when any white person uses a term like "******" or "Blacky" its always 100% without a single doubt racist, but when a black man uses a racist term for a white person its always, 100% without a doubt humorous. do you think when you type or just write the first thing that comes into your head. people like YOU are the reason racism still exists, not seeing any positives in what the "white man" is trying to do, just the negatives and taking everything the white man does and turning it into a "racist agenda". and if your Hispanic, why are you talking about the black people with a "we" mentality, you are obviously NOT black. is there anything you have said that has even the slightest thread of sense or logic in it?

debbiejo
Didn't read the whole thread, but only read the title.......and yes, we should always be prepared to what might happen....It's called many things by the military, and they must be doing something right........We must always be prepared for the unexpected.....To not do so is ignorant.!!.......
ok....gone now...

Soleran
Originally posted by debbiejo
Didn't read the whole thread, but only read the title.......and yes, we should always be prepared to what might happen....It's called many things by the military, and they must be doing something right........We must always be prepared for the unexpected.....To not do so is ignorant.!!.......
ok....gone now... messed <<<<smart <<<<<<no

You could have just said poop, and added just as much value lol.

tabby999
yeah, what do you thinking Reparations means debbie?

debbiejo
OH MY GOD!! hahahaha......you're all right.........Geez............I thought it said "Preparations" . laughing out loud

*crawls into closet*..........

YET NOT.........HMMM

tabby999
haha, yeah, you seemed a little vauge on the whole "re-embursing black people for past wrongs" deal with "It's called many things by the military, and they must be doing something right........We must always be prepared for the unexpected." not on the right track but funny none the less

debbiejo
ok, better now........I don't think we should reimburse anybody....I didn't do it, nor did my family. Why should I be responsible for actions I didn't do?......It's almost like the Adam and Eve story....Should we be punished for things others did??? People need to get over it and get on with their lives....The other immigrants did and did quite well for themselves.

botankus
Debs, you have crawled out of the closet, eh?

debbiejo
Yeah, but I have this feeling that I may go back there again.....


back to topic..........hmmmm....botankus stop making me go off topic....you're evil.

ok back to topic AGAIN........haha..........I'm not gonna pay anybody any money......soon as you do then others will start demanding money also.....Hmm maybe people should start paying me money.......I'm kinda sick of people saying Italians are only organ grinders with monkeys....lol

Soleran
I want reparations for Debbiejo practically blinding me with off topic comments on so many threads...............................REAPARATIONS i tell you.

botankus
Yeah. laughing out loud

I also would like free money each time she posts that damn picture of her foot on the coffee table. I've had enough!

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by debbiejo
ok back to topic AGAIN........haha..........I'm not gonna pay anybody any money......soon as you do then others will start demanding money also.....Hmm maybe people should start paying me money.......I'm kinda sick of people saying Italians are only organ grinders with monkeys....lol

Of course they aren't: they also make great pasta and win world cups.

Still, I can only begin to imagine the can of worms reparations would open if a government was ever blind enough to think it would solve anything. Virtually every nation on the earth has a skeleton in the closet, but the majority of those nations have learned from the mistakes and moved on.

debbiejo
Originally posted by botankus
Yeah. laughing out loud

I also would like free money each time she posts that damn picture of her foot on the coffee table. I've had enough!

It's a special happy foot!! mad

now look....you're making me go off topic.........damn you...

Soleran
Debbiejo is that picture really your cry for an intervention, really a shot glass and Southern Comfort......................

debbiejo
damn you people.....I'M NOT GOING OFF TOPIC AGAIN.......yeah with a name like debbiejo and Southern Comfort hahahah.........I'm not a hick though.....notice the clock........It was important that the clock be in that picture.......very important!!

Reparations never help anything. It's a band aid for lazy people. Look at all the other minorities that have come here.......The Jews for instance......they are RICH RICH RICH!! And look how they are treated being called "Christ Killers"

Bardock42
Originally posted by debbiejo
damn you people.....I'M NOT GOING OFF TOPIC AGAIN....... yeah with a name like debbiejo and Southern Comfort hahahah.........I'm not a hick though.....notice the clock........It was important that the clock be in that picture.......very important!!

botankus
If you play around with that picture and adjust the brightness/contrast, etc., you'll see a table and chairs in the background. And maybe, just maybe, you'll see something else.

Now give me my free money!! stick out tongue

debbiejo
There is NO naked man in there.....lol

Bardock you are special.......stop it.........


Reparations only (god I am trying here) would be destructive to a society....

Osaka
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Me? I don't want any thing. Im not even black. Don't get it twisted my Asiatic friend, it's ok.

But the profits have endured and are being enjoyed by the oppressor.
By whom? Who are these opressors of today that are enjoying the profits of a slave trade that ended 143 years ago?

tabby999
oh he dosn't need FACTS to back up his arguments Osaka, dont forget we're just a bunch of "whitey" racists

C-Dic
Why was this bumped? There was a perfectly good thread on it less than 4 days ago, no?

botankus
Ask Morgoth's Wrath.

C-Dic
I was really into the other discussion, so if you want to know what ol' Cinemaddiction has to say on the matter, look on pagses 1-3 of the original thread.

In a nutshell, I said that nobody is owed anything by people who were supposedly "guilty by association", and there are blatant instances of racism commited in mainstream America by black people against THEMSELVES than white people. So, I don't even feel slightly obligated to "help" when you can't even help yourself by bettering education, raising awareness, or..frankly..giving a **** enough to open your eyes and see the self-destructive behavior one's using everyday that's resulting in a great social divide.

Realize and appreciate the distinction between pride in heritage and "indirect" racism, then we'll talk. Be grateful for what you have now and use your freedom wisely.

botankus
Dude, you stole Bill Cosby's graduation speech verbatim!

C-Dic
Well, I did write for he and the late great Richard Pryor.

Bardock42
Originally posted by C-Dic
Well, I did write for he and the late great Richard Pryor.

Thank you for inspiring Bill Hicks...

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Osaka
By whom? Who are these opressors of today that are enjoying the profits of a slave trade that ended 143 years ago?

It is an interesting point. I remember, back when I did the units on American history in high school, how one text book noted it was a misconception that the South was fabulously rich. In fact, the best most could say for themselves was they were asset rich, assets tied up in slaves, and large tracks of land that could only be effectively farmed, at the time, by slave labor.

It thus was something of a nasty cycle - the south produced raw materials which went North relatively cheaply where they were manufactured and sold for a profit, as a result the south was often in dept to the North, and as such had to buy more slaves to farm more land in order to make more raw materials in order to keep their head above the line - one of the reasons why the south was so resistant to calls for abandoning slavery.

The point of this little tangent? I am also wondering the grounds for claiming there are so many, many white people living on profits made off of slaves - where on earth is this coming from? How about some facts/proof/statistics to back it up?

tabby999
i guess the north profited...? but how many of those people are still amazingly wealthy because of any money made back then? thats what i want to know

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by tabby999
i guess the north profited...? but how many of those people are still amazingly wealthy because of any money made back then? thats what i want to know

Exactly - what percentage of the US population is rich based upon inheritance? A very, very small part, which gets even smaller when one removes all the families that made their fortune themselves. It really is a theory that doesn't stand up to history or common sense that there is some massive section of the white population that lives on the profits of slavery. Just like there isn't some massive portion of the German population that lives on Nazi gold and so on.

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