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i think cap. marvel should be higher, coz he went up against king thor and made him look like a *****

Originally posted by insane genis
i think cap. marvel should be higher, coz he went up against king thor and made him look like a *****

Ummm i havn't even put Marvel on it ..... He's not even that strong, but he is very powerful !!!!!

yeah he is in the gods bit

Originally posted by insane genis
yeah he is in the gods bit

D.C.'s Captain Marvel. I dont refer to him as Shazam, as thats the name of the former wizard.

oooooooh i h8 him,

he isnt worthy of that name

Originally posted by insane genis
he isnt worthy of that name

Umm well many who read D.C. would disagree. Any way back on topic.

Orion is as strong as pre-crisis Superman. So, he should be put in the PC Superman level.

lol@ Wonder Woman being stronger than Thanos.

This is so wrong.

Originally posted by long pig
lol@ Wonder Woman being stronger than Thanos.

This is so wrong.

Why ..... because she is a chick ?

Has Thanos ever Lifted a Space Ship the Size of a city ?
Has he ever Dragged a part of the moon (Wonder Woman has done this twice)
Has he ever thrown an Oil Tanker ?
Ever Lifted Part of the Spectre ?
Is he easilly able to Lift Paradise Island ?

Mate even you admitted that D.C. higher tier are stronger than Marvel.

Thanos is a Titan...

Originally posted by insane genis
he isnt worthy of that name He had the name first.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Thanos is a Titan...

No he isn t !!!!!!!!!!!

so? couldnt he keep the camp name....... SHAZAM.......... pah i pity this fool

Originally posted by insane genis
so? couldnt he keep the camp name....... SHAZAM.......... pah i pity this fool

FOR THE LAST TIME MORTAL : 'STAY ON TOPIC !'

Originally posted by yahman
Why ..... because she is a chick ?

Has Thanos ever Lifted a Space Ship the Size of a city ?
Has he ever Dragged a part of the moon (Wonder Woman has done this twice)
Has he ever thrown an Oil Tanker ?
Ever Lifted Part of the Spectre ?
Is he easilly able to Lift Paradise Island ?

Mate even you admitted that D.C. higher tier are stronger than Marvel.
I admitted D.C has more feats. Never said they were stronger to any degree that matters.

Marvel has more battle feats, where as D.C has lifting feats.

Battle Feats>>Lifting Feats.

Thanos is stronger than Superman and Wonder Woman combined.

oooooooooooh touchy, lol

Originally posted by long pig
I admitted D.C has more feats. Never said they were stronger to any degree that matters.

Marvel has more battle feats, where as D.C has lifting feats.

Battle Feats>>Lifting Feats.

Thanos is stronger than Superman and Wonder Woman combined.

To quote you directly ....

'I actually do believe Superman/WW/MM are much stronger.'

hmmmm ?

Read it more, if you can, I was referring to Earth heavyweights not cosmics or Thanos.

Thanos is stronger than WW and Superman combined.

Originally posted by long pig
Read it more, if you can, I was referring to Earth heavyweights not cosmics or Thanos.

Thanos is stronger than WW and Superman combined.

I doubt that. He's never proved that he is much 'stronger' than Thor. Hes even admitted, to being worried about the Hulk's strength.

Note i did say stronger not more powerful.

Silver Surfer is Cosmic and he's way down the list. Even on the one you posted the other day

Thanos never said he was worried about Hulk, he said(While fighting Champ) "I imagine this is what the terran brute called Hulk is like in battle."

Thanos is many times over stronger than Thor, even before Thanos' upgrades. He basically has limitless strength, due to the ability to amp his strength with cosmic power.

Originally posted by long pig
I admitted D.C has more feats. Never said they were stronger to any degree that matters.

Marvel has more battle feats, where as D.C has lifting feats.

Battle Feats>>Lifting Feats.

Thanos is stronger than Superman and Wonder Woman combined.

This is soooo true.

Originally posted by joesha28
This is soooo true.

Sexism !!!!!!!!

Originally posted by yahman
No he isn t !!!!!!!!!!!

Thanos was born on Titan. He was a citizen on Titan. Therefore he is a Titan. His nickname is the Mad Titan. Even though he's an Eternal, he was born and raised on Titan. He belongs in your Titan category. Then again your so full of your own biasness you probably wouldn't be able to determine that on your own.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Thanos was born on Titan. He was a citizen on Titan. Therefore he is a Titan. His nickname is the Mad Titan. Even though he's an Eternal, he was born and raised on Titan. He belongs in your Titan category. Then again your so full of your own biasness you probably wouldn't be able to determine that on your own.



Oh the Irony is not lost !!!!!!! I saw your little escapade in the Superman forum. Really mature !!!!!

What is so hard to understand about near or total limitless strength?

Thanos has it.

Originally posted by long pig
What is so hard to understand about near or total limitless strength?

Thanos has it.

Its not hard to understand ..... Limitless gets thrown around alot in comics (I.e. Sentry, Hulk, Odin Force, etc). In Marvel .com and 'the Bible according to G.S.' he's described as having 'near' God like strength. Whereas Thor has God like strength.

What about This lot:

Thing
Jobbernaught
Colossus
Abomination
Mortal Herc
Wonderman
Ultimate Colossus
Atlas
Byrnes Wonder Woman
Surfer
Juggernaught
Thor (normally) / Immortal Herc
Byrnes Superman
Gladiator
Angry Hulk
Current Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel and Co.
Current Hyperion (Supreme Power)
Post OWOAW Superman

Originally posted by yahman
Its not hard to understand ..... Limitless gets thrown around alot in comics (I.e. Sentry, Hulk, Odin Force, etc). In Marvel .com and 'the Bible according to G.S.' he's described as having 'near' God like strength. Whereas Thor has God like strength.
Read comics, not bios.

He is stronger and more powerful than WonderWoman/Superman combined.
Originally posted by yahman
What about This lot:

Thing
Jobbernaught
Colossus
Abomination
Mortal Herc
Wonderman
Ultimate Colossus
Atlas
Byrnes Wonder Woman
Surfer
Juggernaught
Thor (normally) / Immortal Herc
Byrnes Superman
Gladiator
Angry Hulk
Current Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel and Co.
Current Hyperion (Supreme Power)
Post OWOAW Superman
What about it?

Originally posted by long pig
Read comics, not bios.

He is stronger and more powerful than WonderWoman/Superman combined.

What about it?

That do you think of the order piggy ?

I know it's the reference to mythology, but I never liked "Titan" being a higher strength level than "God." IMO, nothing is stronger than "God." Maybe "god" would be better, or "Godlike"? Besides, even in the myths, the gods defeated the Titans, so either way perhaps "Titan" should be second tier. Just a thought...

Originally posted by yahman
What about This lot:

Thing
Jobbernaught
Colossus
Abomination
Mortal Herc
Wonderman
Ultimate Colossus
Atlas
Byrnes Wonder Woman
Surfer
Juggernaught
Thor (normally) / Immortal Herc
Byrnes Superman
Gladiator
Angry Hulk
Current Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel and Co.
Current Hyperion (Supreme Power)
Post OWOAW Superman


In order from strongest to weakest: (strongest at the top)

Byrne's Superman
Immortal Hercules
Gladiator
Captain Marvel (Shazam)
Byrne's Wonder Woman
Classic Thor
Angry Hulk
Juggernaut
Silver Surfer (amped)
Current Wonder Woman
Current Mortal Hercules
Atlas (Max size seen so far)
Wonder Man (ionic)
Supreme Power Hyperion
Ultimate Colossus
Jobbernaut
Abomination
Colossus/Thing (this feud is still going on, we dont know whos stronger yet)
Wonder Man (normally)
Silver Surfer (normally)
Long Hair 90's Mortal Hercules
Atlas (normal size)

(I dunno who Post-OWOAW Superman is or how strong he is)

Byrne Superman is not that high. I'd put him around Supreme Power Hyperion. Superman after sun dipping definitely went to a new level though.

After reading Issue 18 of Supreme Power, I think Hyperion goes to the top !!!!!!!!!!!!!

'150 Billion ton mountain ..... EAT YOUR HEART OUT ! '

(Referring to Hulks greatest feat !!!!)

It's not actually Hulk's greatest feat.

Some of the shit he does make Hyperion look like Aunt May in comparision.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's not actually Hulk's greatest feat.

Some of the shit he does make Hyperion look like Aunt May in comparision.

Mate I have yet to see anything (Except the recent Stormbreaker saga, that was just ridiculous) from a Marvel higher tier character, that is any where near this level

"'150 Billion ton mountain ..... EAT YOUR HEART OUT ! '

(Referring to Hulks greatest feat !!!!)"

Hulk punching a time storm its a higher feat than helding a mountain on his back.

"I know it's the reference to mythology, but I never liked "Titan" being a higher strength level than "God." IMO, nothing is stronger than "God." Maybe "god" would be better, or "Godlike"? Besides, even in the myths, the gods defeated the Titans, so either way perhaps "Titan" should be second tier. Just a thought"

They end up being yes. But that was after that particular fight that lasted 10 years. . .

Where is Drax with the power gem or Champion with a power gem.

Billy bob joe shmoe with the power gem has limitless strength. So, they'd be on top.

Hulk's biggest strength feat is grabbing "matter" with one hand, and grabbing "Anti matter" with the other and pulling them together into one.

That would take strength that is limitless.

"Hulk's biggest strength feat is grabbing "matter" with one hand, and grabbing "Anti matter" with the other and pulling them together into one"

He didnt actually put them together. He had to punch one of the orbs away.

Even so the way he held his own, makes a mountain feat look like a kiddies toy play.

I'm almost positive he pulled them together. Then threw them into space. Maybe not

But, to be fair, that's an insane feat which would imply Hulk can lift the galaxy. Probably one of the times the writers didn't realize what they were writing.

Strength feats of the hulk.

Bends Adamantium


Breaks A Very Powerful Forcefield


Breaks The Pit That Holds The Flame Of Life


Causes Incredible Shockwaves


Defeats Very Powerful Enemies


Deflects the Nightcrawler's Sonics


Destroys A Huge Asteroid


Destroys Onslaught's Armor


Destroys The High Evolutionary's Armor


Grasps An Energy Bubble


Hulk Is Power Incarnate


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (I)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (II)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (III)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (IV)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (V)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (VI)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (VII)


Hulk's Strength Is Limitless? (VIII)


Leaps His Way Accross The Pacific


Moves Extremelly Fast


Overcomes The Matter Antimatter Attraction


Reaches the Leader's Kenitictronic Gloves


Supports A Mountain On His Back


Throws A Gem To The Center Of A Planet


Throws The Sub-Mariner From Key West To Miami

Originally posted by long pig
Billy bob joe shmoe with the power gem has limitless strength. So, they'd be on top.

Hulk's biggest strength feat is grabbing "matter" with one hand, and grabbing "Anti matter" with the other and pulling them together into one.

That would take strength that is limitless.

Yeah great ...... It still looks crap !!!!!!!!!

Turning the north pole into the Grand Canyon, looks far more impressive, than some Green guy grabbing two orbs.

Oh yeah the rest of those feats don't come close to measuring up.

Originally posted by yahman
Yeah great ...... It still looks crap !!!!!!!!!

Turning the north pole into the Grand Canyon, looks far more impressive, than some Green guy grabbing two orbs.

Oh yeah the rest of those feats don't come close to measuring up.

Bump

Originally posted by olympian
"Hulk's biggest strength feat is grabbing "matter" with one hand, and grabbing "Anti matter" with the other and pulling them together into one"

He didnt actually put them together. He had to punch one of the orbs away.

Even so the way he held his own, makes a mountain feat look like a kiddies toy play.

just so you know he was pushing the orbs apart cos of the opposites attract thingy so he did what he set out to do

Originally posted by severance
just so you know he was pushing the orbs apart cos of the opposites attract thingy so he did what he set out to do

Sum 1 must explain to me how this is such an amazing feat ????????

Originally posted by yahman
Yeah great ...... It still looks crap !!!!!!!!!

Turning the north pole into the Grand Canyon, looks far more impressive, than some Green guy grabbing two orbs.

Oh yeah the rest of those feats don't come close to measuring up.

hulk destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of the earth

let me see now which is bigger north pole or 2 x earth

hulks stronger!

Originally posted by severance
hulk destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of the earth

let me see now which is bigger north pole or 2 x earth

hulks stronger!

That feat reaks of PIS.... I mean for crying out loud it was grey Hulk.

Originally posted by yahman
Sum 1 must explain to me how this is such an amazing feat ????????

its to do with fundamental forces

you got electromagentism
gravity
strong and weak nuclear forces

the strong nuclear force being exerted between anti-matter and matter is trillions of times greater than gravity

Originally posted by yahman
That feat reaks of PIS.... I mean for crying out loud it was grey Hulk.

i aint saying i like this crap just making an argument. i prefer power levels to be damped down.

Originally posted by severance
its to do with fundamental forces

you got electromagentism
gravity
strong and weak nuclear forces

the strong nuclear force being exerted between anti-matter and matter is trillions of times greater than gravity

So are all the other forces shifty

I've heard people describe it 'An infinite attraction'

How can that be possible. Forces occur at a quantum level due to the exchange of quanta (Energy particles, without mass). E.G. Photons exchange the electro magnetic force. To exchange quanta requires energy. How can two orbs (Weighing a ton at the most) exchange an unlimited amount of energy ? It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by yahman
So are all the other forces shifty

I've heard people describe it 'An infinite attraction'

How can that be possible. Forces occur at a quantum level due to the exchange of quanta (Energy particles, without mass). E.G. Photons exchange the electro magnetic force. To exchange quanta requires energy. How can two orbs (Weighing a ton at the most) exchange an unlimited amount of energy ? It doesn't make sense.

i dunno i was blagging

actually gravity exchanges the quanta of gravitons ( a hypothetical particle) without (in theory) the transference of energy

anti matter and matter the whole scenario is daft whats are the containers made of.
if anti matter is so attracted to matter then it would have stuck to hulks hand like glue how'd he punch it

Originally posted by severance
i dunno i was blagging

actually gravity exchanges the quanta of gravitons ( a hypothetical particle) without (in theory) the transference of energy

anti matter and matter the whole scenario is daft whats are the containers made of.
if anti matter is so attracted to matter then it would have stuck to hulks hand like glue how'd he punch it

I never thought of that. Gravitons probably don't exist. Special Relativity is a so much more beautiful way of describing gravity. String theory predicts that the other fundamental forces are similar to gravity, but the war page of space time occurs in higher dimensions. Particles and quanta are just a side effect of this. I think so any way. Where's whirly when you need him ?

Originally posted by yahman
I never thought of that. Gravitons probably don't exist. Special Relativity is a so much more beautiful way of describing gravity. String theory predicts that the other fundamental forces are similar to gravity, but the war page of space time occurs in higher dimensions. Particles and quanta are just a side effect of this. I think so any way. Where's whirly when you need him ?

smells of blag - i should know

Originally posted by severance
smells of blag - i should know

Usually yeh... But in this case im on the level, i think

Originally posted by yahman
Usually yeh... But in this case im on the level, i think

all theoretical physics is blag - very clever sounding blag

without out any empirical evidence string theory is just a well thought out possible solution to theory of everything

any way back to hulk or hyperion - still hulk

Originally posted by olympian
"Hulk's biggest strength feat is grabbing "matter" with one hand, and grabbing "Anti matter" with the other and pulling them together into one"

He didnt actually put them together. He had to punch one of the orbs away.

Even so the way he held his own, makes a mountain feat look like a kiddies toy play.


hmmm maybe im a lil rusty on my physics but why would that take an infinite amount of strength{well the very fact that he could HOLD anti matter is stupid cause antimatter would annihlate the hand that was holdin it which was made of MATTER, which would probably release a thousand time more energy than a regular nuke.}

"just so you know he was pushing the orbs apart cos of the opposites attract thingy so he did what he set out to do"

Thats why Spiderman was saying he was "only" helding its own and they needed to change tactics to reach the porpuse, otherwise Hulk would lose it?

"well the very fact that he could HOLD anti matter is stupid cause antimatter would annihlate the hand that was holdin it which was made of MATTER, which would probably release a thousand time more energy than a regular nuke"

Any high feat its stupid.

Originally posted by olympian
"just so you know he was pushing the orbs apart cos of the opposites attract thingy so he did what he set out to do"

Thats why Spiderman was saying he was "only" helding its own and they needed to change tactics to reach the porpuse, otherwise Hulk would lose it?

"well the very fact that he could HOLD anti matter is stupid cause antimatter would annihlate the hand that was holdin it which was made of MATTER, which would probably release a thousand time more energy than a regular nuke"

Any high feat its stupid.

I disagree.

Savage Hulk (who isn't even on this list,) owns the strength department. He's up there with the Pre-crisis guys, and has greater feats of strength than all of them. Savage Hulk has done some ridiculously powerful stuff in his day.

Savage Hulk has:

Punched through time.
Destroyed a universe by deflecting an energy attack with his thunderclap.
In one fight, caused shockwaves that affected the entire multiverse.
Overcome the matter-antimatter attraction, an infinite force.

Need I go on?

Savage Hulk is the strongest one there is, period. Only the fully powered Spectre would be stronger, because he is essentially God.

Originally posted by yahman
Why ..... because she is a chick ?

Has Thanos ever Lifted a Space Ship the Size of a city ?
Has he ever Dragged a part of the moon (Wonder Woman has done this twice)
Has he ever thrown an Oil Tanker ?
Ever Lifted Part of the Spectre ?
Is he easilly able to Lift Paradise Island ?

Mate even you admitted that D.C. higher tier are stronger than Marvel.

Wonder Woman and Supes couldn't lift Spectre. Only Kyle was able to do it with his ring. Spectre weighs as much as the universe.

They lifted him momentarily. Than Kyle used his ring to tunnel.

What do you think of the Strength Levels, according to my little bro's Marvel Trade cards. Note in some cases they are about 2 years old.

Level 50/50 :

Galactus, Hulk, Thanos, Apocalypse

49/50 :

Thor, Abomination, Onslaught,

48/50:

Doctor Doom, Iron Man, She Hulk, Juggernaught,

47/50 :

Thing, Namor, Magneto, Silver Surfer,

Over 40's :

Colossus, Emma Frost, Blob, Cable, Loki, Rogue

Over 30's:

Spiderman, Gennis Vehl, Strange, Venom, Carnage, Wolverine, Sabertooth,

Guys ????????

Originally posted by yahman
D.C.'s Captain Marvel. I dont refer to him as Shazam, as thats the name of the former wizard. He'll be back.