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Can the Empire defeat the Covenant?

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The Empire would floor the Covenant. Covenant ships have been damaged by high calibre mag rounds. Imperial Star Destroyers have enough fire power to blow an entire Covenant fleet into nothing.

^agreed

Well I had a discussion about this with Magnevus he kept spewing stuff out about how the Covenant have superior technology and could attack while in slip space. But he has also read books about Halo.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
But he has also read books about Halo.
AKA video game fodder? Galactic Empire takes this.

He also believes the humans (marines) also have superior technology. He pretty much ignored the death star in the argument to.

I'd like to see Boba whoop up on that Spartan dude, that would be awesome.

Hell, I'd like to see friggin' Padme whoop on him.

The humans had superior technology? Is that why they lost every battle thus far?

He meant superior to the Empire.

Screw it, why not Wicket kill that green suited bastard.

Oh really? Well, he needs to get a grip, because the Empire's small turbolasers are powerful enough to blast a hole in Halo human ships since weaker Covenant weapons can do the same.

Hes pretty much a Halo fanboy.

But I know the Imperial ray-shielding don't protect much against high-caliber mag rounds.

Really?

Federation cultists have propagated numerous myths about Imperial shielding:

No particle shielding. They claim that deflector shields can't stop matter, based on the assumption that the DS1 exhaust port ray-shield was the only type of shield in the Empire. This is obviously untrue. Not only are particle-shields referenced in the SWEGWT as well as every other official source, but we saw specialized particle-shields in TPM such as the Gungan "hydrostatic" field that kept water out of the Otoh Gunga underwater city-spheres as well as the "Bongo" personal watercraft. Furthermore, the canon ANH novelization clearly states that the Falcon's deflector shields saved it from instant destruction when it emerged from hyperspace into the "meteor shower" that was Alderaan. As usual, they attempt to contradict this canon information with numerous misinterpretations:
They note that an asteroid struck the Falcon's hull in TESB, but the Falcon had its shield power redirected to aft shields due to the relentless pursuit and the asteroid would have logically hit the front part of the ship. Furthermore, some types of particle-shield exist on and below the surface of the armour according to the SWEGWT, so a physical object will strike the combined shield/armour at once.
They point out that the ISD's shields didn't stop the Falcon from landing on the bridge tower in TESB, but it must be stressed that it did not land immediately. It could have hovered in the sensor blind spot until the shields were dropped. Another possibility is that its magnetic clamp was able to secure it to the hull even though the shields were up, since the particle shields are so close to the hull.
They point out that the TESB novelization described asteroids striking the "hull" of an ISD, but they ignore the twin possibilities that the ISD shields were down, or that the particle-shield and hull are interchangeable concepts since some types of particle-shield exist on and beneath the surface of the hull.


The A-wing fighter that damaged the Executor's bridge tower didn't make its suicide attack until after the Executor's bridge deflector shields were dropped. If deflector shields were impotent against physical collisions, there would have been no reason to wait until the Executor's shields were dropped.

So really, where is the proof that the Empire doesn't have shielding sufficient to stop high caliber rounds?

That's why I do think particle shielding has a chance against matter at high velocity.

the covenant is horrible i beat both halos on ledgendary without a problem

That's why, that the Federation would be able to build a standing base the size of a Death Star, but it would never be able to make it move.

What? The Federation lacks that logistics to build anything close in size to the Death Star. They also lack the technology. Their entire civilization generates less power than the Death Star.

I also guess you missed the second sentence.

"Contrary to popular belief (and Obi-Wan Kenobi's statement to the contrary), the Death Star is actually a starship rather than a battle station."


If they built something that big(which they never would be able to do) then if it didn't move, it would be useless as a show of might.

But the Death Star as a starship is a real slug.

It had hyperdrive, that's how it moved through space, which on ordinary terms, UNDER the speed of light, would take thousands of years.

I talk ONLY about realspace speeds.

Well SW is based around Hyperdrive man. No Hyperdrive, no SW.

And hyperdrive pisses all over Warpspeed any day.

Damn straight Deus.

Usually I try to get threads back on topic, but it's so one sided that I don't even care. The empire has so many more people that the Covenant would run out of ammo before they could even kill the storm troopers even if The Empire lined up to be killed. The Empire could fist fight them to death.

not to mention they can keep cloning 87% of their troops and hire some hard core bounty hunters to ruin the lives of the covenant leaders

God, what is it that leads people to believe that the Empire's Stormtroopers are ALL clones, even 5 years after ROTJ? Why do people think that Kamino is somehow churning out billions-trillion, of troopers, when throughout the Clone Wars they only somehow managed 1.2 million?

Most weren't Clones. There were 1.2 mil clones and several billion storm troopers.\

5 years after ROTJ there were clones again. Thrawn created a new batch of them.

And the Clones from Kamino wouldn't last until 5 years after ROTJ. They were ten by AOTC. 23 years later, thats thirty three years old. Nine years after that? Well, the Clones would be over eight because of growth acceleration.

curse you simus, you stole my idea! I would have posted this, so I posted the aliance

With a galaxy full of willing recruits, why WOULD the Empire waste time and money creating new clones at only a million or so at a time?

But with stormtrooper numbers dwindled and the rest horded by the Warlords, Thrawn needed the hidden batch of Spaarti cylinders to grow a million or so more to man his new fleet.

Damn this whole clone-stormtrooper thing, it's so full of plot-holes.

Kamino ain't the only place where to clone people. The Imperial armor can't protect stormtroopers against prehistoric arrows, as seen in ROTJ. Stormtrooper armor can defend only against gases. It means that Covenant ammo can pierce through stormtrooper armor. And how'd they get the coordinates of Covenant worlds? Hyperdrives need coordinates to work.

Same way the Covenant finds Imperial forces: this scenario assumes they stumble onto one another.

When the Hell did we see arrows penetrate armour in that film?

I saw rocks knocking them out, not arrows punching through their armour.

I didn't see that either.

And are we to disclude the fact that every piece of EU, (sighs) prior to AOTC, clearly shows, that every stormtrooper with the exception of Thrawn's clones, are men who were recruited or forced into service, and all of which came from their momma?

This is actually a good battle.

The Empire has the numbers (as far as we know) because the Covenant has no record of population. However, they are formed of multiple races and species, such as the Elites, Brutes, Drones, and Hunters. They do not have one simply recruiting pool. For whenever the Covenant cross another race, they use a tactic. Conquer and control.

Covenant lore dictates that the Elites and the Prophets once engaged in a war. However, they set aside differences, and set up the first caste. The Elites would serve as the generals and infantrymen, while the Prophets led politically, and religiously, governing the Covenant. And so, one after another, the Prophets' technology combined with the Elites' tactics, the Covenant fought and conquered each race. The Grunts, the Hunters, the Drones, the Jackals, and the Brutes.

As far as we know, the space battles would be in Imperial favor. Then you will couple this with their superweapons, and so forth. The Covenant has mass-fleets, but their capital ships are weaker than an Imperial Star Destroyer.

However, the Imperials will not so easily win on ground battles. Though they have immense numbers, the Empire in essence, are only humans. An Elite is far stronger than any mere clone, and is worth about a dozen Stormtroopers. Then, climb the Covenant's power rankings. A single Brute would decimate an Imperial squadron, and so would a single Hunter. Perhaps only the 501st Legion would stand a chance. In sheer ground battles, the Empire would probably lose.

Only would Palpatine's cadre of Dark Side users prove up to be a very hard fight. Then, you have Tartarus. Energy swords on Halo are, for all intents and purposes, their version of the lightsaber. They perform instant-kills and burn through a lot. Tartarus is far stronger than any Hunter or any Brute. Couple that with his energy shield, and he is a very dangerous foe. Vader's lack of speed, coupled with his own inferior strength, would perhaps lose to Tartarus. Only the Force would save him.

And back to space. High Charity is not easily found. They were only discovered when the Prophets decided to reveal High Charity on to Delta Halo.

The Space Battles - Imperial favor.
The Ground Battles - Covenant favor.

In the end, the Empire wins.

Wow. Dude, where have you been all this forum's life?

I must say I gisagree with you on the ground battles though. An ISD could knock out any Covenant from Orbit, making ground battles unecessary.

Also, in pure troops, I think you are underrating them against the Elite's.

Wikipedia states that the average unshielded Elite is about equal to a human marine, except with better weapons. No human marine is going to stand a chance against 12 Stormtroopers.


The Convenant also have less mobile weapons platforms from what I can tell. I'd like to see an AT-ST rip up covenant forces. A Banshee would fall against a Tie Fighter too.

Definetly, you rule the skies, you rule it all.

Wikipedia is wrong, since in Fall of Reach and other sources have shown that Elites are as strong as a Spartan in physical combat. This makes them -much- stronger than a simple marine.

An AT-AT couldn't defeat a Wraith tank. A TIE fighter has less shielding than a banshee even does. I'd not warrant the Imperials to the skies. And wikipedia can be edited by anyone. I've played the game. A single Elite can wipe out six or seven Helljumpers, which are the greatest of the Humans. A Brute could crush any contingent of Stormtroopers I'd care to name, and a Hunter could possibly do worse.

Imagine what a GROUP of Brutes would do.

Curious though... covenant energy shields are easily affected by their own heat based weapons. Blaster bolts are pretty on par with that. Elite shields won't work very well, and the rate of fire for a Wraith or Banshee is much lower than their Imperial equivalents.

The shields are affected by projectiles - but moreso - by 'plasma' based weaponry, which is the practical foundation for Forerunner technology. A blaster bolt would be less. It's not 'heat' that effects the shields.

But it is energy, people tend to forget the difference between Lead bullets and Laser bolts.

Then, you have Jackals. Jackals are trained snipers and assassins. Their senses are far more acute than any human, or clone. Each is also a nice shot with a Covenant sniper-rifle, insinuating they are crack marksmen. Then, you have Drones. Drones are incredibly agile and hard to hit when airborn, and they fire in quick successions. Brutes are all around, the best. They are quick, agile, and strong. To a level above the Elites. Any Brute, I'm afraid, could kill a contingent of stormtroopers. Any. And then you have Brute Honorguards... and eesh... I'd hate to be an Imperial.

Actually, a blaster bolt is charged gas particles discharged from the gun. The laser is actually an afterimage of the actual blast. And blaster bolts do considerable damage with heat-like effects because excited energy tends to do that to what it touches. Examples include Han Solo's heavy blaster in the dock ANH shoot out (Look at the size of the blaster bolt holes), the gun of a speeder in ROTJ splitting a small tree with ease, etc.

Considering that a standard pistol can take its toll on all personal energy fields used in Halo, a blaster carbine would take them down in a hot second.

And then you tend to forget. The Stormtroopers aren't the best shots on the planet. They'd actually have to 'hit' the targets. The Stormtrooper armor is also very weak. You'd have Covenant firing back at you with equally deadly weapons. Not to mention that, again I stress this, the Empire would lose in melee skirmishes. They are not stronger than an Elite.

Hopefully, the Stormtroopers would be smart enough to never do that, but they seem to lack intelligence... Lol.

How many forces do the Covenant have?

Also, are there any specs on the Covenant tanks?

Touche on the latter points, but the idea that STs can shoot is poor sampling based on one scene: the shootout in ANH in the hangar of the Death Star. And really, it's pretty evident that there was never any intent to kill the intruders, since a tracking device was planted on the Falcon. The Imperials were smart; they wanted to find and destroy the rebels.

Originally posted by Tangible God
When the Hell did we see arrows penetrate armour in that film?

I saw rocks knocking them out, not arrows punching through their armour.

www.st-v-sw.net has a page called Invincible Stormtrooper "Armor" where it clearly shows where stormtrooper armor had been pierced by arrows.

Don't flash that Trekkie fanboy site around here.

As far as we're concerned, it's the closest to neutrality site that we got about Star Trek versus Star Wars. Stardestroyer.net is the most rabidly pro-Wars site for any pro-Wars site.

Yeah, please, don't post sites that are based on VS themes when trying to prove a point.

None of it's real, it's fictional and can be effectively debated only by reason and fact, not fanboyism.

i dont know much about halo so i asked one of my friends that obsessed and he said that the covenant would activate halo destroying all organic life in the entre universe causeing a stalemate. but i though ti'd just throw that out there.

Originally posted by Twilight Janick
As far as we're concerned, it's the closest to neutrality site that we got about Star Trek versus Star Wars. Stardestroyer.net is the most rabidly pro-Wars site for any pro-Wars site.

Stardestroyer.net is logically sound, too. The site was made in order to compile data on how just out of the ballpark at win for the Federation against the Empire really was.

There seems to be very few fictional organizations that can take out the Empire.

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Big Domes?

too close to call maybe the covies could win at least on a land battle, in space it's hard to say, i'd say whoever had numbers/shot first/better tactics as i think plasma torpedo's etc. would destroy basically any imperial ship, covenant ships seem at least equal, i'd say it comes down to tactics, so in all fairness the imperials kick ass unless the arbiter is in command, never mind vader>all halo charachters but for land battle arbiter could kill most sw charachters including many jedi as could master chief. but back on topic, it all comes down to tactics and imperial admirals seem to be better tacticians then most covenant idiots so imps win.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
too close to call maybe the covies could win at least on a land battle, in space it's hard to say, i'd say whoever had numbers/shot first/better tactics as i think plasma torpedo's etc. would destroy basically any imperial ship, covenant ships seem at least equal, i'd say it comes down to tactics, so in all fairness the imperials kick ass unless the arbiter is in command, never mind vader>all halo charachters but for land battle arbiter could kill most sw charachters including many jedi as could master chief. but back on topic, it all comes down to tactics and imperial admirals seem to be better tacticians then most covenant idiots so imps win. It's already been settled that on land, the Covenant wins, but in space, they'd be annhilated.

Astromech porn? You can suck my steel extension rod!

Originally posted by Tangible God
It's already been settled that on land, the Covenant wins, but in space, they'd be annhilated.

that depends on the power of the imps shields,if a plasma torpedo could instantly burn thorugh multiple layers of the most powerful titanium known to man they may be able to penetreate imp shields, the other thing is could imp blasters penetrate covenant shields which could withstand hundreds of missles and nuclear weapons, as i dont know the full specs on imp weaponry/shielding i'm not quite sure i could say with all certainty the imps would pull it off.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
that depends on the power of the imps shields,if a plasma torpedo could instantly burn thorugh multiple layers of the most powerful titanium known to man they may be able to penetreate imp shields, the other thing is could imp blasters penetrate covenant shields which could withstand hundreds of missles and nuclear weapons, as i dont know the full specs on imp weaponry/shielding i'm not quite sure i could say with all certainty the imps would pull it off. Actually, sheer numbers, speed, firepower, and energy shielding (which is quite effective against Covenant plasma) is what gives the Empire the edge.

On land though, the Covenant seem to be able decimate the Imps. One Elite is enough to take out a squad of Stormtroopers and the AT-AT's are the best the Imps can conjure, and it's obvious Wraith's and Ghost's and whatever the Hell else the Covies hav, can take out the Empire's ground Forces.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Actually, sheer numbers, speed, firepower, and energy shielding (which is quite effective against Covenant plasma) is what gives the Empire the edge.

On land though, the Covenant seem to be able decimate the Imps. One Elite is enough to take out a squad of Stormtroopers and the AT-AT's are the best the Imps can conjure, and it's obvious Wraith's and Ghost's and whatever the Hell else the Covies hav, can take out the Empire's ground Forces.

Don't forget the Covenant's equivalent of AT-AT's - Scarabs!

Ah yes, knew I forgot something.

The Empire would use star destroyers to bomb the covenent forces on land. Then they would send down troops to finish off any survivors. Lead by the Emperors Hands, just so that they don't just have crappy Storm Troopers.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
The Empire would use star destroyers to bomb the covenent forces on land. Then they would send down troops to finish off any survivors. Lead by the Emperors Hands, just so that they don't just have crappy Storm Troopers. It really isn't a GROUND battle if you use orbital bombardment is it?

No, but the Empire would do that. and I think the Empire would take the covenent forces on the ground. AT-ST's and AT-AT's, the covenent weapons couldn't get through their armor.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
No, but the Empire would do that. and I think the Empire would take the covenent forces on the ground. AT-ST's and AT-AT's, the covenent weapons couldn't get through their armor. Of course the Emoire would do that.

But we've been discussing whether the Empire could take on the Covenant with ONLY their ground forces.

And you're forgetting, the majority of the Imp's Ground's don't have any shielding. The AT-AT's are the most powerful of them all and they lack maneuverability. Also they lack sufficient shielding to protect against the Cov's plasma.

And the AT-ST's have absolutely NO shielding and the Wraiths could fire one shot and down go the Scouts. Stormtrooper batallions would be wasted by the Elites alone.

Not to mention the Scarabs. They're like the Halo version of Walkers and are much more capable.

If the Rebels weaponry couldn't get through the AT-AT's armor, I seriously doubt that the covenents can.

P.S.- when I said armor before, I meant the hull not any sort of protective sheilding.

And why can't burning plasma not burn through ordinary metal?

The Rebels used snowspeeders, crappy tow-craft with cables, which tripped the Walkers, ordinary cable tripped those things.

Scarabs would just have to WALK into AT-AT's to knock them over, not to mention that huge motherf*ckin cannon on the front of it.

The wraiths, when in numbers could move behind the AT-AT's and take out its legs.

Don't even get me started on Scout Walkers, they're weak and trip to easily.

The Speeder bike Troopers are really good pilots, you know, they would help a great deal. And the rebel lasers couldn't damage the AT-AT's.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
The Speeder bike Troopers are really good pilots, you know, they would help a great deal. And the rebel lasers couldn't damage the AT-AT's. What would speeder bikes do with their crappy lasers and "one shot and we're down" tactics?

And the whole SW galaxy uses lasers. So it's only natural that armour is created to repel lasers. But seering plasma isn't lasers. The Walkers had NO shielding, only tough armour.

the covenant has a much bigger kind of ship than anything the empire has other than the death star covenant have the super carrier it is 27 kilometer long can hold over a million passengers has thousands of point defense turrets hundreds of plasma turrets and seven energy projectors that can cut a unsc destroyer in half in seconds and has shields that can withstand several super mac rounds each travailing at 40% the speed of light and hitting with over 50 gigatons of power and as far as i no that is more than a match for any single empire ship. the death star wouldn't have much use other than destroying planets because covenant ships can come out of slip space extremely accurately and would only need to get close to it and if it takes several ships a couple of hours to glass a planet it would only take a few minutes for something the size of a small moon. and on the ground the empires largest vehicles the AT AT is a joke they are only 2 meters taller than a scarab and would be destroyed by being shot almost anywhere by the scarabs main gun and would be crippled by a wraith mortar to the leg or head and storm troopers are pathetic in my mind they are almost equivalent to grunts the short fat cannon fodder of halo the only difference is that grunts can actually hit what there aiming at. And if princess leia can survive a blaster bolt to the shoulder then even if they could hit an elite who is always moving and doing front flips and such then it would still do little to no damage and hunters........ other than some vehicles storm troopers would have no answer for these 12 foot tall 10 thousand pound beasts. im assuming there are only a couple billion clones but that is nothing compared to the covenant witch consist of 8 species 6 of witch have combatant roles grunts jackals elites brutes hunters drones engineers and prophets each with a population of billions and vehicles the covenant might or might not win in this area im not sure but as far as i no there are only 3 main empire vehicles speeders AT ST AT AT feel free to correct. im guessing ghosts are about equivalent to speeders an at st would only be good for anti infantry but it probably wouldn't be very effective for that either considering drones are giant flying bugs and grunts and brutes are excellent climbers and if its legs were rammed by a prowler chopper wraith specter or locust it would most likely trip and fall. any anti vehicles guns or even a well placed plasma grenade would destroy one with ease. and as i said before at ats are a joke so i will name more ways it would die. a squad of banshees would hit it in the legs of neck with there fuel rod guns, a locust would cut its legs in half with its laser, a phantom would drop some elites with explosives on its back plant them on its neck and fly away, some elite rangers would use there jet packs to fly on top of it and plant more explosives on its neck or use there energy swords to cut there way into its head, scarab trips it, orbital bombardment, a well placed shot from a particle beam rifle( i no the Armour is thick but it travels at the speed of light and passes through almost anything armored or not), stationary anti aircraft gun shoots it, grunts shoot at its legs with fuel rod guns, i think halo will win (:

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Originally posted by swabsjenkins
the covenant has a much bigger kind of ship than anything the empire has other than the death star covenant have the super carrier it is 27 kilometer long can hold over a million passengers has thousands of point defense turrets hundreds of plasma turrets and seven energy projectors that can cut a unsc destroyer in half in seconds and has shields that can withstand several super mac rounds each travailing at 40% the speed of light and hitting with over 50 gigatons of power and as far as i no that is more than a match for any single empire ship. the death star wouldn't have much use other than destroying planets because covenant ships can come out of slip space extremely accurately and would only need to get close to it and if it takes several ships a couple of hours to glass a planet it would only take a few minutes for something the size of a small moon. and on the ground the empires largest vehicles the AT AT is a joke they are only 2 meters taller than a scarab and would be destroyed by being shot almost anywhere by the scarabs main gun and would be crippled by a wraith mortar to the leg or head and storm troopers are pathetic in my mind they are almost equivalent to grunts the short fat cannon fodder of halo the only difference is that grunts can actually hit what there aiming at. And if princess leia can survive a blaster bolt to the shoulder then even if they could hit an elite who is always moving and doing front flips and such then it would still do little to no damage and hunters........ other than some vehicles storm troopers would have no answer for these 12 foot tall 10 thousand pound beasts. im assuming there are only a couple billion clones but that is nothing compared to the covenant witch consist of 8 species 6 of witch have combatant roles grunts jackals elites brutes hunters drones engineers and prophets each with a population of billions and vehicles the covenant might or might not win in this area im not sure but as far as i no there are only 3 main empire vehicles speeders AT ST AT AT feel free to correct. im guessing ghosts are about equivalent to speeders an at st would only be good for anti infantry but it probably wouldn't be very effective for that either considering drones are giant flying bugs and grunts and brutes are excellent climbers and if its legs were rammed by a prowler chopper wraith specter or locust it would most likely trip and fall. any anti vehicles guns or even a well placed plasma grenade would destroy one with ease. and as i said before at ats are a joke so i will name more ways it would die. a squad of banshees would hit it in the legs of neck with there fuel rod guns, a locust would cut its legs in half with its laser, a phantom would drop some elites with explosives on its back plant them on its neck and fly away, some elite rangers would use there jet packs to fly on top of it and plant more explosives on its neck or use there energy swords to cut there way into its head, scarab trips it, orbital bombardment, a well placed shot from a particle beam rifle( i no the Armour is thick but it travels at the speed of light and passes through almost anything armored or not), stationary anti aircraft gun shoots it, grunts shoot at its legs with fuel rod guns, i think halo will win (:

You need some of those and much more of these, before anybody is going to read your post.

Originally posted by Borbarad
You need some of those and much more of these, before anybody is going to read your post. Nai, don't be a square.

Bump for boredom.

Honestly, it's hilarious how all the members here seem to parrot Mike Wong from SDN to the point of literally copying his quotes.

That being said, the Empire crushes the Conevant with it's million world civilization with FTL speeds thousands of times superior and 200 gigaton turbolasers.

The ftl speeds is more important than you may think; it gives the Empire a huge logistical and strike capability, as they can attack any Conevant planet at any time with no warning, and the latter cannot do jack all.