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Let's say that the Ultramarines chapter launches a sudden attack on Coruscant immediately prior to the Seperatist attack, which never occurs. How do the space Marines fare? Absolute curbstomp? Chapter destuction?

Sorry, should have made the objective clearer: Their objective is to grab palpatine, then the hell out of dodge.

I'd say the Space Marines actually pull it off. Tough battle, but Space Marines would be up to it.

IMO they'd stomp everyone on the ground, but could they manage to hold off the Republic fleet?

I don't think they could. Without GG and his droids, Palpatine would bever have been captured.

Plus, unless Palpatine controlled the Space Marines too, he isn't going to let himself be captured.

Well, obviously a full SM chapter> GG and co.

Space Marines.

Space Marines?

Thing is, Palpatine isn't going to let these guys take him. He would just run to the Clones and Jedi to protect him, which he easily could.

Goddamn popups!!!

That ab one is so annoying. "Ouch". Gosh, listening to music loud and then hearing, "OUCH!!!!" is annoying.

Jedi protectors and hardened clone troopers would win the day.

That or, if the Separatists also don't exist, Palpatine unleashes the Dark Side on his would-be captors. That'd be a sight to see.

Ach, shoulda made this clearer:
Space Marines get to utilize the warp. BTW, to whoever doesn't know them this is one of them.

Oh snap... those marines?

Yep . NOW how does the fight go about?

With mass ownage. Sids loses this one.

lol orbital bombardment should beat the shit of coruscant

Space Marines win. They would kick the crap out of the clones and then butcher the Jedi, lightsabres or not.

Is this the warhammer spacemarines???
What the smell is going on???

Chaos. Coruscant becomes OMFG where'd it go-uscant.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Space Marines win. They would kick the crap out of the clones and then butcher the Jedi, lightsabres or not.

Butcher the Jedi?

HAHAHAHAHA! I see Warhammer fanboyism is still well and good!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Butcher the Jedi?

HAHAHAHAHA! I see Warhammer fanboyism is still well and good!

Oh, I'm not saying that the Jedi would have a chance to win, but the Space Marines would blast their faces in with an entire Chapter's worth of firepower.

A Chapter is 1000 men, that's bugger all. Jedi have faced way worse, and with the Clones at their command also?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
A Chapter is 1000 men, that's bugger all. Jedi have faced way worse, and with the Clones at their command also?

Plus, you have to remember that this is a kidnap mission. They would not engage the Jedi and clones for long.

Why not? Grievous could only launch his because a multi-million strong army was there drawing forces away. What's a Chapter going to do? Pray? That's all they're good for...

You could bring EVERY chapter and I doubt they would do it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Butcher the Jedi?

HAHAHAHAHA! I see Warhammer fanboyism is still well and good!

Well, who can fight with this kind of logic?

No worse than the logic you were using. At least establish your cause first, because it's laughable- which is why I laughed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No worse than the logic you were using. At least establish your cause first, because it's laughable- which is why I laughed.

Or perhaps you laughed because in your brain, your brain was laughing, but then it stopped? Or perhaps you just laughed because you wanted to?

So it is warhammer, great job telling me guys! not..

Anyway, guess wich warhammers I have... THE ORKS!!
Didn't expect that, huh?

Not really.

And in any case, Ush, I'm not about to go into lengthy details on why the Space Marines would win, other than what I've heard about their leader (Who could fek Coruscant up one side and down the other).

I basically assumed they were comparable enough to be his guards. Sue me.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Not really.

And in any case, Ush, I'm not about to go into lengthy details on why the Space Marines would win, other than what I've heard about their leader (Who could fek Coruscant up one side and down the other).

I basically assumed they were comparable enough to be his guards. Sue me.

The Emperor could feasibly, quite easily kill Ragnos. And then destroy Coruscant.

That I know.

What, the Space Marines are bringing the Emperor now, are they? Cripple that he is... Going to wheel the life support machine down the palace halls?

Oh my, this has to be the silliest one ever! The Warhammer Emperor is powerless to stop even local rebellions on small worlds without sending in several million Imperial Guard. He'd do bugger all to Coruscant; besides which, this question is purely about the Marines.

They are not equipped OR designed to fight planetary wars, which is what they would need to do, because that is what Griveous did. By the laws of the scenario presented, they have not a hope in hell.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
What, the Space Marines are bringing the Emperor now, are they? Cripple that he is... Going to wheel the life support machine down the palace halls?

Oh my, this has to be the silliest one ever! The Warhammer Emperor is powerless to stop even local rebellions on small worlds without sending in several million Imperial Guard. He'd do bugger all to Coruscant; besides which, this question is purely about the Marines.

They are not equipped OR designed to fight planetary wars, which is what they would need to do, because that is what Griveous did. By the laws of the scenario presented, they have not a hope in hell.

Of course, he would then psychically obliterate the planet.

(repeats what I said above about needing the Imperial Guard)

He can't do that. Or anything close.

So you think 1000 men including probably an Alpha level psyker is completely inadequate to kidnap someone who isn't expecting them in a surprise raid?

Well, is that guys sword lightsaber resistant?

I think it's the size of a jedi body but that could just be the angle.

I think its the angle. lol. Can someone post a link with info on these guys?

The Emperor's sword doesn't need to be LS resistant. BTW, I would imagine that their armor, or at least their faith (yes, it IS manifested) would manage to protect them. The trouble is, could the jedi close distance quickly enough? Considering the amount of firepower (.50 cal used as assualt rifle ammo) the SM's have at their disposal, can the jedi manage to close the distance to use their force powers in a direct manner?

Didn't the lightsaber have difficulty dealing with slugs in Shatterpoint?

That was because Mace's saber was drained of energy by Geptun.

...Link guys?

I thought so.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
So you think 1000 men including probably an Alpha level psyker is completely inadequate to kidnap someone who isn't expecting them in a surprise raid?

They lose all surprise when they have to make an orbital insertion onto a planet at war! And sod the psyker, they aren't THAT good.

One chapter is a feeble strategic force.

And yes, of course Jedi can close quickly enough; we see them close to melee range all the time- and against FAR more than a Chapter's worth of firepower in AOTC.

One Alpha level psysker is capable of ****ing over an entire planet. The more powerful versions are manifested in the warp, and can distort the fabric of space-time.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
They lose all surprise when they have to make an orbital insertion onto a planet at war! And sod the psyker, they aren't THAT good.

One chapter is a feeble strategic force.

And yes, of course Jedi can close quickly enough; we see them close to melee range all the time- and against FAR more than a Chapter's worth of firepower in AOTC.

"Feeble strategic source."

What the hell?

Considering one chapter managed to kill roughly 1 billion Tyranids that had could likley have completely **** over the Old Republic, I sincerely doubt you have any idea what the hell your talking about.

Haha. Our moderator is a fanboy who will place his favorite subject over all, haha.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
Considering one chapter managed to kill roughly 1 billion Tyranids that had could likley have completely **** over the Old Republic, I sincerely doubt you have any idea what the hell your talking about.

Agreed, except that it was trillions, if you count the entire of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Originally posted by overlord
Haha. Our moderator is a fanboy who will place his favorite subject over all, haha.



lmao

Bye, Overlord!

Maybe the whole basic idea of power in those two sci-fi's are non comparible, maybe warhammer represents outragiously more firepower and such than Star Wars, I don't understand Ushgarak even getting worked up for this.

Yep, you can't compare the two worlds. The Empire and Imperium are slightly similar, but quite different from each other. Not to mention that the IoM could obliterate the entire SW Galaxy with ease.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
Considering one chapter managed to kill roughly 1 billion Tyranids that had could likley have completely **** over the Old Republic, I sincerely doubt you have any idea what the hell your talking about.

And a few Rebels destroyed the Death Star. That was simply because the Tyrannids had a vulnerbaility; it wasn't done in an open field battle.

Marines ARE a feeble strategic resource. They are too small. Marines are a tactical force. The Imperial Guard are for the strategy.

We are talking about wars on the scales of billions here. Chapters are in thousands. It doesn't work. They are a small special forces unit. The army, as I say, is the Guard. I highly recommend you get some basic idea of how these things work before you throw out such silly comments.

Overlord isn't right either; in fact, these worlds are far more comparable than, say Wars and Trek, and they both share the same scale of size and firepower. Traya is totally wrong; there is no reason to think the 40K universe involves stronger fdighters by default.

I am in fact a fan of both genres. My comment on the Marines isn't because I don't like Warhammer. But expecting them to perofrm ther work of field armies is like expecting the Jedi to fights wars single handed as well- it doesn't work, there aren't enough, no matter how good they are (and you have greatly over-estimated hopw good Marines are; in an actual, defined, points-based system, they are only worth about theee or four Guardsmen each, whereas a Jedi is clearly worth dozens of foot soldiers).

And as Grievous required a full military invasion to perform his kidnap... then no, the Marines couldn't do it.

Nerdy as this all is, for better or worse this forum is here and works by logical rules. Now, if you has postulated that the Imperial Guard invade Coruscant and THEN a Marine chapter does the snatch, as Grievous did, whilst the Jedi and their armies are distracted... then you have a much better case.

well done ush that huge speech was all for notin, oops wat r u gona do ban me id like to see u try you great big oath

Oath? Wtf?

Gosh, isn't intelligent comment useful? Well, as you clearly wanted one, you can have an official warning, yup. And if you keep making pointless posts like that, then yes, you will be banned.

ooh by calling you an oath did i touch a raw nerve, oath oath oathhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oath oath oathhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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come on oath ban me i dare you

Gosh, you have no idea how much more that would hurt me if you spelled it right...

Oh no wait... no, it would still be pretty feeble.

Well, you had your warning, so expect a word from the globals soon.

Pwn3d.

I haven't seen this much action since the August bunch.

August bunch? I'm from August!

lmfao!

Oops!

And what pray, is wrong with the "August bunch"?

Mass bannings. A lot of socks and morons.

You were an exception. I think there may have been others, but they elude me.

Yay!

So now you're in on the "august bunch" joke.

Oowww!

lol! I mean you're in the know, dear... not part of the joke!

Yay!

I have been eavesdropping. Muhahaha!!!
I will now quickly go tell Boris about this.

WTF!?

The August Bunch.. The joke.. The Augu..

Ah, forget it, you guys... Damn.. wallbash

Well, regardless, our new friend is departed. What a shame.

Back to the topic, I guess! Me still says- Marines on their own, no way.

Clone troopers suck in my opinion.

So do Imperial Guard, who are armed with high-powered torches, yet it is actually rules-defined on a system that compares power that a Marine is only worth a few of them.

So an army of them trounces a thousand marines, no trouble.

Expecting the Marines to do your invasion work is like expecting the SAS or Delta Force to invade a country solo. They'd lose. As a special forces aid to a large conventional army they are invaluable. Solo, they are useless.

They can't infiltrate? That my dear sir is pure speculation, why wouldn't they be able to plan?
But how the hell are you going to kidnap Darth Sidious, that I'd like to know. That guy is constantly electrocuting and jumping around swinging.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
So do Imperial Guard, who are armed with high-powered torches, yet it is actually rules-defined on a system that compares power that a Marine is only worth a few of them.

So an army of them trounces a thousand marines, no trouble.

Expecting the Marines to do your invasion work is like expecting the SAS or Delta Force to invade a country solo. They'd lose. As a special forces aid to a large conventional army they are invaluable. Solo, they are useless.
Read the OP. They ARE NOT invading. They are trying to kindap Sidious. One quick grab and run, no protacted ground war, no massive invasion, just a quick op.