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Science has been able to accomplish so much, even to the extent that we are not aware of....Do you think it is acceptable to blend DNA from one species to another...Example blend a rat and a human for the growth of ears, or pigs with human DNA for organs.....I'm not sure if a thread has been done like this before, but was curious how far do you think science should go in these exhaustive experiments....and what are to become of what they have created in the name of science....

Your thoughts.???

no not at all... I believe that science will the the salvation for the human race not some book with some supernatural events....

Originally posted by AdventChild
no not at all... I believe that science will the the salvation for the human race not some book with some supernatural events....

What's to become of the part human part animals that are created...?

well eventually i'm guessing that we'll have to resort to living on water under water and such....sooo i'm guess that we as people will have a marine animal or something like that in the human part of us..

No no...I mean what to do with the new creatures we've been making...the ones that have part of human in them and part animal?...From what I've heard about some, they have some human brain cells in them.....so, does that make that rat more rational than a normal rat would be?....would it start to be in confusion on what is happening to it?....What would we consider it to be?...How would we treat it????

Though they are only being created for harvesting.....

Then, the liberals will take what science used to make life better, and make it far worse..

"I have pig in me! I should be able to have sex with a pig! It's my right as a hybrid!"
"We don't like to be called furries or lycanthropes, those are insesitive slurs of hate developed by those bastard caucascions in thier seats of coprate power!"
"I demand tax breaks, free college intuition, and to be treated like a king! I have snake dna in me to help me be immune to most diseases, that makes me the target of hate boohoo! What? Just keep it to myself?! You rascist bastard! *Hisses and rattles and spits venmon poison*"

Sure, that's exactly what we need..

Now now...get a hole of yourself SP......You're wondering.....

What should be done with the lab creatures that are part human?...Who might sense something they cannot communicate just for our need for their organs.?

Lets say, for your sake that they would be Conservatives..if they could think, since they would have human DNA brain cells...LOL

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Then, the liberals will take what science used to make life better, and make it far worse..

"I have pig in me! I should be able to have sex with a pig! It's my right as a hybrid!"
"We don't like to be called furries or lycanthropes, those are insesitive slurs of hate developed by those bastard caucascions in thier seats of coprate power!"
"I demand tax breaks, free college intuition, and to be treated like a king! I have snake dna in me to help me be immune to most diseases, that makes me the target of hate boohoo! What? Just keep it to myself?! You rascist bastard! *Hisses and rattles and spits venmon poison*"

Sure, that's exactly what we need..

I'm starting to suspect Spelljammer is an experiment by someone for undisclosed purposes.

Or possibly a comedian creating material for an upcoming book.

The idea that these are the genuine thoughts of a sentient, non-ironic lifeform is, thankfully, becoming ever more remote.


Debbie-

While you keep mentioning science, I think you are asking a question about ethics.

What are your personal objections to such experiments?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Debbie-

While you keep mentioning science, I think you are asking a question about ethics.

What are your personal objections to such experiments?

I guess yes, It is ethics...but how would these part human and part animals be treated, and where does one be considered enough human to count for something instead of like lab rats?....Hmmmmmm

Originally posted by debbiejo
I guess yes, It is ethics...but how would these part human and part animals be treated, and where does one be considered enough human to count for something instead of like lab rats?....Hmmmmmm

That raises a whole other debate about human experiments and animal experiments.

Animals that are experimented on are clearly distressed already.

I don't think the intention has ever been to create proto-humans from which to harvest parts in any case.

I would quite like to pursue Spelljammer's idea though, and have snake DNA inserted into mine, that I may demand tax breaks.

It depended on how they acted.

If they acted reasonably intelligent, He'd be more then happy to accept a new breed of humankind. Alebit He'd never mate with one, but I wouldn't mind having a next door neighbor who was elephant man. Litteraly.

If they were liberal. SpellJammer says electroshock the bastards and test cosmetics on them.

Look down....

Originally posted by Spelljammer
It depended on how they acted.

If they acted reasonably intelligent, He'd be more then happy to accept a new breed of humankind. Alebit He'd never mate with one, but I wouldn't mind having a next door neighbor who was elephant man. Litteraly.

If they were liberal. SpellJammer says electroshock the bastards and test cosmetics on them.

OK....you are not seeing what I'm saying....right?

Oh, you're saying what should be done for them in the name of science?

Well, it's thier free will SpellJammer guesses. If they don't want to be a puppet to science they shouldn't have to be. Unless they were prisoners ofcourse. Then it's good game..

NO.....Science doesn't give them a choice...they just do it......It's in Science magazines all the time....there is no choice for those creations.

Originally posted by debbiejo
NO.....Science doesn't give them a choice...they just do it......It's in Science magazines all the time....there is no choice for those creations.
Oh, well SpellJammer always knew those damn liberal scientists were bastards. They're like nazis only they whine more.

Hell, they slaughter babies everyday for not being human. They starve women to death for not being human. You think they'll hesitate for a free-thinking animal man? The fact that it's part animal is just a free excuse to do what they want..

There here now in labs.........................

I'm all for it.Even though bad stuff would come from it.I just want to see it.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I'm all for it.Even though bad stuff would come from it.I just want to see it.

You also want to destroy the universe...

OH NOOOOO its the Island of Dr Moreau........HG Wells is just beyond his day Anyway if thats any indicator which it should be as evolution.....(or if you don't like evolution) change will occur in these animals if man should learn one thing we SUCK at controlling nature.....

I am very against this research however that certainly doesn't mean it won't occur in the relatively near future.

I've seen rats with human ears....

Hey in the end its just a sad sad day actually not because technology is bad its just that it doesn't take much for one to abuse that power and I don't trust people that have that much power at their disposal.

I believe all life is sacred, and there are many things being twisted with that just shouldn't.....Once you start inserting human brain DNA into animals you create something very sad....something that could get very confused cause it's part human....

part human part animal...given that we are just animals anyway...but i know what you're getting at

but no-one bats an eyelid when they inject themselves with insulin grown in pigs (not to common now that we use bacteria with genetic engineering to produce insulin but it used to be the primary source of insulin for diabetics)

we interbreed different species of plants to get certain phenotypic characteristics

we genetically modify sheep to produce milk to treat heart disease by getting them to produce alpha-1 antitrypsin

we have genetically engineered chickens with 4 legs and no wings

we are also working on making fruit to produce the required levels of vitamins so that supplements will be irrelevant and pointless

I know..........Ewwwwwwwwwwy

I buy normal unaltered things....

Originally posted by debbiejo
I know..........Ewwwwwwwwwwy

I buy normal unaltered things....

if by unaltered you mean organic then dont trust what you read...organic beef can be labelled as such after feeding the cows organically for 2 weeks before slaughter...before that you can feed them on whatever genetically modified synthetic shit or their own parents (feeding cows animal based feed is tragically common)

Originally posted by debbiejo
OK....you are not seeing what I'm saying....right?

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Oh, you're saying..


Originally posted by debbiejo
NO

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Oh


Pretty much where you should have removed yourself from the responsibility of posting any more of your..."insights".

Originally posted by debbiejo
Science has been able to accomplish so much, even to the extent that we are not aware of....Do you think it is acceptable to blend DNA from one species to another...Example blend a rat and a human for the growth of ears, or pigs with human DNA for organs.....I'm not sure if a thread has been done like this before, but was curious how far do you think science should go in these exhaustive experiments....and what are to become of what they have created in the name of science....

Your thoughts.???


So, are you talking about the Island of Dr. Moreau?

The resulting beings in your proposed situation are still very much alive, I assume. As such, they should be treated with respect and dignity...in a perfect society. However, such a society does not exist. So, their sacrifices would mean the betterment of the continuing species. Namely, humans.

So, in a perfect world, they would be treated with dignity and respect...as beings who live and breathe. In this world, as we have seen with any group that is different, they will be treated with hate and disdain.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, are you talking about the Island of Dr. Moreau?

The resulting beings in your proposed situation are still very much alive, I assume. As such, they should be treated with respect and dignity...in a perfect society. However, such a society does not exist. So, their sacrifices would mean the betterment of the continuing species. Namely, humans.

So, in a perfect world, they would be treated with dignity and respect...as beings who live and breathe. In this world, as we have seen with any group that is different, they will be treated with hate and disdain.

Yeah, I suppose your right...It's just not part manys human nature for us to have a perfect world.......It just seems there will be a time when there will be a blend of another species that will live outside the lab...but there are already those species that are in the labs now.....And when does dignity kick in?

Kinda like what science has been talking about with the cloning people to use later....though I think with that, they are just cloning organs.

It's cloning organ's deb, you don't need to clone entire people to "harvest". Genetic engineering and cloning have huge potential for good. I don't think people realise that a lot of varieties of crops created nowadays are done so using irradiation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's cloning organ's deb, you don't need to clone entire people to "harvest". Genetic engineering and cloning have huge potential for good. I don't think people realise that a lot of varieties of crops created nowadays are done so using irradiation.

I won't eat those irradiated or genetic things either....

Did you know that using irradiation kills the enzymes that you need?...Would only cause more work to digest your food....

And cloning organs doesn't bother me...it's the other thing...

Sorry deb, you're probably eating the irradiated crops without even knowing the variant was made using irradiation. I recall it's not regulated anywhere near as strictly as genetic engineering.

I buy from farmers...And I grow my own....

Originally posted by debbiejo
I've seen rats with human ears....

Funniest post ever

Do you think the ear actually grew out of the mouse caused by an alteration in the animals genes Debbie Jo

The experiment in which a human ear was attached to a mouse's back was
perfomed in the laboratory of Dr. Charles Vacanti at the University of
Massachusetts. He was assisted by Dr Linda Griffith-Cima from MIT. The
study was done at the suggestion of a plastic surgeon who was interested
in developing techniques for attaching ears in children who had external
ear deformities or had lost ears in accidents. It was designed to serve
as a model for tissue engineering.

The mouse used for the study had a defective immune system so it was
unable to reject the human tissue. The scientists created a ear-like
scaffold of porous, biodegradable polyester fabric and then distributed
human cartilage cells throughout this form. The entire construct was then
implanted onto the back of the nude mouse. The mouse nourished the ear as
the cartilage cells grew to replace the fiber. The mouse remained healthy
and alive throughout. While the cartilage grew in the shape of an ear, it
was not a functional ear since it lacked any connection to the nervous
system or internal structure of the ear.



Ask me about the ethics of recombinant engineering -

Should people with Cystic Fibrosis be cured? imo big yes!
Should I clone myself
Wouldn't work anyway so don't be scared - due to the fact all my cells pretty much are replaced every eight years by copies, it works a little like copying a VHS tape - to another, to another etc and each copy is less precise than the next. Hence wrinkles lines and aging - Clone myself a man in his a man ok and I end up with clones that develop Cancers etc (probably) 30 years early. We know this from Dolly the sheep.

The all round ethics of genetic engineering are a minefield and the law will always lag behind cutting edge science.

As a rule - Stem cell research = Very Good
Therapeutic research = excellent
Designer babies = bad
cloning Whirly (impossible sadly) very bad

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Funniest post ever

Do you think the ear actually grew out of the mouse caused by an alteration in the animals genes Debbie Jo

The experiment in which a human ear was attached to a mouse's back






I only saw the picture....LOL.....It was weird....Guess I should of read the article too, but am drawn to bizarre pictures.....LOL.....

But I've oh...well...I did read some things awhile ago...My dad is also an avid science research reader and shares info with me also....but who knows if it's true....he is a liberal....hahahahahaha...

Couldn't help it sorry..

Originally posted by debbiejo


I only saw the picture....LOL.....It was weird....Guess I should of read the article too, but am drawn to bizarre pictures.....LOL.....

But I've oh...well...I did read some things awhile ago...My dad is also an avid science research reader and shares info with me also....but who knows if it's true....he is a liberal....hahahahahaha...

Couldn't help it sorry..

ok

you better get working on those blind chickens...because the gene that causes blindness in chickens is the same sequence that causes cystic fibrosis in humans...

one gene...two defects....strange

The human race is not ready to create life, and I doubt it ever will be. WE'll screw up, then it'll be our end.

Originally posted by jaden101
you better get working on those blind chickens...because the gene that causes blindness in chickens is the same sequence that causes cystic fibrosis in humans...

one gene...two defects....strange

I know someone with cystic fibrosis.

I don't know any blind chickens though.

IMO:

Science should go as far as it can. Perhaps it can provide substantial answers that are not provided by the bible, or your average bible-thumping, red-state American. I hope God is in the details...because that is the only place he has left to hide.

Or, should we all thump bibles....until it's too late to do anyting about our own existance? God seems to have little interest, so...let's fight for ourselves.

F--K Jesus....and all his corrupt, bastardized...followers....

Osteriches with their heads in the sand are of little use to the rest of the world. Stand up...or sit down and shut the hell up.

Nicley said Cap F.
SJ needs to learn what the hell Libral means, he bashes conservatives while calling them librals.

I have no problem with breeding animals to help humans, Breed pigs to be harvested for organ transplants? Sure why not. I eat the ones bred for food, what should it matter.

dj> EVERYTHING you eat has been genetically altered, domestication everything it genetically altered. Do you think the corn you grow in your backyard was just growing in the wild that way?
Nope! it was changed and domesticated and altered so you could grow it and not get 3 inch long corns...

Isn't it the bible that implies that other species were placed here for the benefit of all man-kind?

YEa I think so...
I have a whole list of fun bible quotes all ripped directly from
Skepticsanotedbible.com

Well said capt. fantastic.