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Alright, of all the Handbook-style books out there, the Secrets of the House of M book is the newest, and that is the Colossus version that we all know from Astonishing X-Men, but in the SOTHOM book it says Colossus' max strength is to the point where he can ALMOST press 85 tons. So i think all the hype about him being Class 100 is false unless someone can prove me otherwise from a scan from some other source. And yes, i know Ultimate Colossus is Class 100 easily but im not talking about him this is 616 were talking about here. So wut does everyone think of that?

I saw a scan that said ultimate colossus was like class 16

yea that was from a wizard that was so wrong tho.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Alright, of all the Handbook-style books out there, the Secrets of the House of M book is the newest, and that is the Colossus version that we all know from Astonishing X-Men, but in the SOTHOM book it says Colossus' max strength is to the point where he can ALMOST press 85 tons. So i think all the hype about him being Class 100 is false unless someone can prove me otherwise from a scan from some other source. And yes, i know Ultimate Colossus is Class 100 easily but im not talking about him this is 616 were talking about here. So wut does everyone think of that?

well as an x-man colossus was seen to work out many times , but in the house of m he is a peaceful farmer.

you have to give that some thought too.

Also everyones been changed by Wanda. So while colossus in the house of m might be class 85 he certainly wasnt in 616

Um. The same Handbook says Thing ain't Class 100 either...

Handbooks are dumb...they all downgrade the characters and let the writers go way beyond what they're supposed to be able to do. By now I think most informed readers (the majority of this forum included) realize this and just learn to disregard the handbooks for the most part. Aside from Wanda messing with Colossus, he definitely doesn't max out at 85.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Handbooks are dumb...they all downgrade the characters and let the writers go way beyond what they're supposed to be able to do. By now I think most informed readers (the majority of this forum included) realize this and just learn to disregard the handbooks for the most part. Aside from Wanda messing with Colossus, he definitely doesn't max out at 85.

yea i wasnt actually saying Colossus was Class 85 i was only asking u guys wut u thought of the handbook saying he was.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I saw a scan that said ultimate colossus was like class 16

yeah right this was the gut who towed a submarine to shore.

colossuys is definatley clas100 now. he was on the cusp of it when he succumbed to the legacy virus, but it turened out that he didnt die but rahter his body just went in a catatonic state, a state that mimmcked death....next thing you know that alien guy they beat down, when they went to rescue him, was mucking with his genes all this time and unlocked his full potential.....bear in mind also that even the old school handbooks alwys said that, piotr is just a teenager and his full potential will be unleashed once he reached adulthood, and he's a grown ass man now, so it makes sense that he's class 100.


whether he is upper or lower class remains to be seen , but he's at least stronger than current juggernaut tho, who even though he only has a fraction of the power he once weilded is STILL class 100.

Originally posted by armandovalles
yea i wasnt actually saying Colossus was Class 85 i was only asking u guys wut u thought of the handbook saying he was. In November the 2005 X-men handbook comes out and his bio is in there.

In the 2003 Ultimate guide to the X-men it clearly says that Colossus can lift over 100 tons. Ill scan it if I have too.

yea can u post a scan of it snoopdogg? thanx.

Do you believe it now?

Show proof of Thing being class 100.

Originally posted by armandovalles
yea i wasnt actually saying Colossus was Class 85 i was only asking u guys wut u thought of the handbook saying he was.

I know. I just wanted to get my 2c in about handbooks being dumb as sin.

He was seen lifting a sentinnel in House Of M. They must weigh more than a 100 tons.

Originally posted by yahman
He was seen lifting a sentinnel in House Of M. They must weigh more than a 100 tons.

I get my student loan soon. You should come down Reading son.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I get my student loan soon. You should come down Reading son.

Is the Splatt back yet ?

Originally posted by yahman


Is the Splatt back yet ?

Back? Hes been back for ages. Since Thursday i think

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Back? Hes been back for ages. Since Thursday i think

I havn't been on in a while.

Originally posted by yahman
I havn't been on in a while.

I still think youre one and the same

Good distraction attempt i must give you credit

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I still think youre one and the same

Good distraction attempt i must give you credit

I don't know what you are talking about ..... whistling

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. The same Handbook says Thing ain't Class 100 either...

Exactly

Oh and Bump

Why? i mean, why the bump?

Originally posted by pr1983
Why? i mean, why the bump?

Im bored and tired

this just goes to show that most handbooks are innacurate when compared to actual feats...

then again, i don't think i could expect a feat based in-depth look at every single character that goes into one of those handbooks... :/

i thught juggeranaut was back to classic strength

quote wikipedia -----------

"As of New Excalibur issue #3, however, Juggernaut seems to be back at full strength. He easily powered through the combination of the evil version of Jean Grey's telekinetic onslaught and the evil version of Cyclops' full assault optic blast with no ill effects to himself. Juggernaut also easily withstood an ice barrage from the evil version of Iceman, when it was seen that in Uncanny X-men issues #410-411 that he could not then withstand an assault from Iceman. He still, however, does not possess his mystical armor and remains susceptible to attacks on his mind and senses by telepaths"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_Marko

Originally posted by Grimm22
Im bored and tired

Suuuurrrreee...

Originally posted by pr1983
Suuuurrrreee...

what?

Are you implying that I have somthing against Colossus, who is if not my favirote, one of my favirote X-men

Originally posted by Grimm22
what?

Are you implying that I have somthing against Colossus, who is if not my favirote, one of my favirote X-men

I was teasing...

Originally posted by pr1983
I was teasing...

Well dont..cry

it mean

Thing and Colossus are in 616 are Class 100 says the 2005 handbook.

Thing in Ultimate is about Class 100 or maybe more.

Colossus is way over Class hundred. He stops a huge express train which is about 300-350tons. Without any big effort he stops it.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well dont..cry

it mean

lol, aww, i'm sowwie...

Originally posted by Rewmac
Thing and Colossus are in 616 are Class 100 says the 2005 handbook.

Thing in Ultimate is about Class 100 or maybe more.

Colossus is way over Class hundred. He stops a huge express train which is about 300-350tons. Without any big effort he stops it.

handbooks are the devil.

While I am not directly saying Colossus is class 100. But the definition of class 100 is being able to consitantly lift over 100 tons. Now I realize alot of class 75 etc. characters have lifted over 100 tons. But in the 2006 X-Men guide it says Colossus can now lift over 100 tons. Then there is the Marvel Legends action figure box on the back which has him listed at level 7 in strength which is class 100. So you can draw your own conclusions but he does have official Marvel bios claiming he is.

I do think Colossus is stronger than guys like Thing, Rhino, Sasquatch, etc. for those reasons.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
While I am not directly saying Colossus is class 100. But the definition of class 100 is being able to consitantly lift over 100 tons. Now I realize alot of class 75 etc. characters have lifted over 100 tons. But in the 2006 X-Men guide it says Colossus can now lift over 100 tons. Then there is the Marvel Legends action figure box on the back which has him listed at level 7 in strength which is class 100. So you can draw your own conclusions but he does have official Marvel bios claiming he is.

I do think Colossus is stronger than guys like Thing, Rhino, Sasquatch, etc. for those reasons.

Your going to base his strength off an action figure box....

Wow...

Originally posted by Rewmac
Thing and Colossus are in 616 are Class 100 says the 2005 handbook.

Thing in Ultimate is about Class 100 or maybe more.

Ult.Colossus is way over Class hundred. He stops a huge express train which is about 300-350tons. Without any big effort he stops it.

Pretty much anything Millar has written with the Ult. X-men has been complete crap

I dont pay attention to it at all.

Ult. Colossus is MASSIVLY overrated

Originally posted by Grimm22
Your going to base his strength off an action figure box....

Wow... They use the same powergrid as the handbooks do.

And I said draw your own conclusion.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
They use the same powergrid as the handbooks do.

And I said draw your own conclusion.

Handbooks = Crap

I thought this was established a long time ago

Originally posted by Grimm22
Handbooks = Crap

I thought this was established a long time ago I didn't agree to anything.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I didn't agree to anything.

doh

Poop smells awful. Get over it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Poop smells awful. Get over it.
Not mine it smells like reliefthumbup

Originally posted by Grimm22
Handbooks = Crap

I thought this was established a long time ago

On most cases, it was.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
On most cases, it was.

Yeah

The last GOOD handbook was the 80's one.

And even that was kind of messed up.