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who wins?

Pre Crisis Darkseid owns

The best version of Darksied, PC, would crush Thor--like grape.

Darkseid krushes Thor's mighty Hammer with the Omega Effect then burns his ashes with the Omega Beams... end of the story

The best version of Darksied woud crush Rune King Thor.

Originally posted by Xplosive
The best version of Darksied woud crush Rune King Thor.


Rune King Thor is above all sky fathers even pre-crisis darkseid will get b***h slap. Rune King Thor is above the elder gods, combine powers of rune and odinforce.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Rune King Thor is above all sky fathers even pre-crisis darkseid will get b***h slap. Rune King Thor is above the elder gods, combine powers of rune and odinforce.

Yeah right. PC Darkseid would crush him.

PC would crush him he was basically equal to galactus.....Rune king thor may be the most powerful skyfather but he is by no means PC darkseids's equal......he gets crushed like a *****

Originally posted by RAGE17
PC would crush him he was basically equal to galactus.....Rune king thor may be the most powerful skyfather but he is by no means PC darkseids's equal......he gets crushed like a *****

Excatly.

He's still just like Galactus.. He's still the same guy. He avoided the re-write. Both are integral pieces of the universe.
He has had a few bad showings, sure... and G has his share as well.... As him and G both have vast ranges of power level.
But, his lows are still better than Galactus' lows, and his highs are arguably higher as well, as he cut swathe through pantheons of gods like ants, and made the elder gods quake with fear and hide from him, and even made The Source feel pain.
Then again, I've seen G do very high outward displays of power, wrecking planets and stuff, don't recall Darkseid doing that, not sure if he could match big G in that aspect without his highly advanced tech, but definately Omega Effect is nothing to **** with.

Originally posted by Juntai
Then again, I've seen G do very high outward displays of power, wrecking planets and stuff,

Galaxies.

Rune King Thor is definately no pushover.

But yeah, PC Darkseid wins this...

If it was pre crisis dark seid he could just blast thor to ashes and then put him back together and just keep doing that over and over again untill he bacame bored and then just mind control him and make thor work for him.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's still just like Galactus.. He's still the same guy. He avoided the re-write. Both are integral pieces of the universe.
He has had a few bad showings, sure... and G has his share as well.... As him and G both have vast ranges of power level.
But, his lows are still better than Galactus' lows, and his highs are arguably higher as well, as he cut swathe through pantheons of gods like ants, and made the elder gods quake with fear and hide from him, and even made The Source feel pain.
Then again, I've seen G do very high outward displays of power, wrecking planets and stuff, don't recall Darkseid doing that, not sure if he could match big G in that aspect without his highly advanced tech, but definately Omega Effect is nothing to **** with.

Few panels ? huh

Let’s see

-DD punked him easily, his OB has no effect.
- Superman kicked his ass like what three times? , reelected his Omega beams with HEAT VISION.
- Darkie and his chunkies came to Superman's city to do some damage. Guess what happened? Superman spined really fast around them and beats them all? kinda funny no?
- Darkie currently lost to Superman pretty easily.


Here is Galactus low showing (while extreme weak) ------- While not even trying ( to beat them) took out Marvel earth with ease.

While ignoring most all there attacks.

Have Read the Galactus mini Series?

Thor, Gladiator, SS, Avengers, Defenders etc nothing to him when extremely weak Galactus.

I only reason they beat him is plot device used to send him back. And remember that Galactus goal is never to kill them, he simple ignores there presence.

Originally posted by kgkg
Few panels ? huh

Let’s see

-DD punked him easily, his OB has no effect.
- Superman kicked his ass like what three times? , reelected his Omega beams with HEAT VISION.
- Darkie and his chunkies came to Superman's city to do some damage. Guess what happened? Superman spined really fast around them and beats them all? kinda funny no?
- Darkie currently lost to Superman pretty easily.


Here is Galactus low showing (while extreme weak) ------- While not even trying ( to beat them) took out Marvel earth with ease.

While ignoring most all there attacks.

Have Read the Galactus mini Series?

Thor, Gladiator, SS, Avengers, Defenders etc nothing to him when extremely weak Galactus.

I only reason they beat him is plot device used to send him back. And remember that Galactus goal is never to kill them, he simple ignores there presence.
And Darkseid also said HE WAS AT LOW POWER
He said it when he fought Doomsday, and several other time.
His powe ranges, just like I said.
Just like Galactus, when he says he's low on power.
What are you pointing out exactly?

Anyways, just to be a sport and continue this:

Galactus low showing is being ****ed up by invisible woman?
over in the Thor vs Superman thread the Thor supporters where showing him beating up Galactus?
and countless other times.


Like I said, Darkseids low showings are him losing to Superman,
G has his too
they both have high showings as well.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Darkseid also said HE WAS AT LOW POWER
He said it when he fought Doomsday, and several other time.
His powe ranges, just like I said.
Just like Galactus, when he says he's low on power.
What are you pointing out exactly?

Anyways, just to be a sport and continue this:

Galactus low showing is being ****ed up by invisible woman?
over in the Thor vs Superman thread the Thor supporters where showing him beating up Galactus?
and countless other times.


Like I said, Darkseids low showings are him losing to Superman,
G has his too
they both have high showings as well.
Once Darksied was low on power. By doing what beating Cyborg?

YOu must not have read his recent showing; he and his buds came to beat Superman.

Superman defeated all of them by Spinning really fast.

The difference between Darkseid and Galactus it's huge.

Weak Galactus:
Galactus (when he has no energy) can defeat Marvel earth and its heroes; most of these defeats you talk about is Galactus is ignoring them (even when he is weak)

Galactus shield , and one blast nearly killed all the heroes in MU earth.

Now lets see Darksied (not weak)
Darkseid is trying to beat Superman, Galactus isn't trying to beat them nearly consume planets.

Thor, Galactor etc all have said Even at his weak state we are nothing but insects to him

A weak Galactus took out the future cosmic leagues etc

What are Post Crisis feats? You said is he same as PC dakseid rite?

So what are his feats?

You're not comprehending, that there is no Pre Crisis Post Crisis Darkseid, there is only Darkseid. After finding this, you'll find your arguement is nothing. He has high power and low power moments. There is nothing you can say that changes this, as it's written into the comics themselves.

Originally posted by Juntai
You're not comprehending, that there is no Pre Crisis Post Crisis Darkseid, there is only Darkseid. After finding this, you'll find your arguement is nothing. He has high power and low power moments. There is nothing you can say that changes this, as it's written into the comics themselves.
Ok so basically Pre Crisis Darksied looses to Superman

Making him Thor's level, maybe we can it call Retcon

A darkseid that loose to Superman is not even at Weak G's level.

I mean you says he has high power moments and low? Tell me a high showing that compare to even Weak Galactus showings after the Crisis?

Darkseid at weak levels of power very well could possibly lose to Galactus, sure.

according to some theories, darkseid only shows SOME of his power for some reason. hence his high low showings. not sure i subscribe to that. however, one thing is clear, precrisis, darkseid had many more high level feats than he shows nowadays.

Originally posted by leonidas
according to some theories, darkseid only shows SOME of his power for some reason. hence his high low showings. not sure i subscribe to that. however, one thing is clear, precrisis, darkseid had many more high level feats than he shows nowadays. It might be because he hasn't had his own series . . . or the fact the only time we see him really, is in . . Superman. . .in which... Superman is nigh unbeatable.

Originally posted by leonidas
according to some theories, darkseid only shows SOME of his power for some reason. hence his high low showings. not sure i subscribe to that. however, one thing is clear, precrisis, darkseid had many more high level feats than he shows nowadays.
leo help us out here

what are his high showing after the Crisis?

all i see is loosing to Superman , getting his so Call omega beams reflected by heats vision.

A weak Darksied? where are you guys getting that from?

He's stated many times being at low power.
After fighting Doomsday for example.
He described being at low power to SUperman after Superman said "I didn't even think it was possible to hurt you."

Originally posted by Juntai
He's stated many times being at low power.
After fighting Doomsday for example.
He described being at low power to SUperman after Superman said "I didn't even think it was possible to hurt you."
ya lower level? ya he was weak because he had other conflicts.

how can you tell the Darksied that got beat by Superman after than is weak? does it says that Darkseid is now weak because of this and that?

i mean again what are his feats?

all the time they have shown after Crisis they all suck.

best i can think of is when he vaporized Cyborg

Originally posted by kgkg
ya lower level? ya he was weak because he had other conflicts.

how can you tell the Darksied that got beat by Superman after than is weak? does it says that Darkseid is now weak because of this and that?

i mean again what are his feats?

all the time they have shown after Crisis they all suck.

best i can think of is when he vaporized Cyborg Most of them yes, but it's irrelivent because it's the same Darkseid, and he himself has stated many times he was at low power. So his high feats are cutting swathe through gods.

Rune King Thor still wins, current Darkseid is not the same as pre-crisis darkseid they are different from each other. Even DC said after infinite crisis everybody from superman to new gods to darkseid are being depowerd everybody, post darkseid is not as fearful as people suspect.

Superman has been owning darkseid for a while now, and darkseid is suppose to be a lower sky father level, what ever!!!

All I know is that neither darkseids can touch galactus and still arguing is ridiculous, you guys keep saying kriby said this and said that, who care what he thinks marvel or dc can change it if they want, it's there characters they own the rights.


darkseid wouldn't be crazy enough now to f**k with a sky father like Zeus/odin/Rune king thor/atum the god eater they would shove a lighting bolt up his candy a$$.

Originally posted by kgkg
Few panels ? huh

Let’s see

-DD punked him easily, his OB has no effect.
- Superman kicked his ass like what three times? , reelected his Omega beams with HEAT VISION.
- Darkie and his chunkies came to Superman's city to do some damage. Guess what happened? Superman spined really fast around them and beats them all? kinda funny no?
- Darkie currently lost to Superman pretty easily.


Here is Galactus low showing (while extreme weak) ------- While not even trying ( to beat them) took out Marvel earth with ease.

While ignoring most all there attacks.

Have Read the Galactus mini Series?

Thor, Gladiator, SS, Avengers, Defenders etc nothing to him when extremely weak Galactus.

I only reason they beat him is plot device used to send him back. And remember that Galactus goal is never to kill them, he simple ignores there presence.

I must say about highs, PreC Darkseid has far better, higer showings than Galactus (The best of Galactus is a battle with mighty Tyrant, for me). But current Darkseid is weak compared to what he was. But this thread said, best of, full power of Darkseid and Thor, so Darkseid crush him.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Rune King Thor still wins, current Darkseid is not the same as pre-crisis darkseid they are different from each other. Even DC said after infinite crisis everybody from superman to new gods to darkseid are being depowerd everybody, post darkseid is not as fearful as people suspect.

Superman has been owning darkseid for a while now, and darkseid is suppose to be a lower sky father level, what ever!!!

All I know is that neither darkseids can touch galactus and still arguing is ridiculous, you guys keep saying kriby said this and said that, who care what he thinks marvel or dc can change it if they want, it's there characters they own the rights.


darkseid wouldn't be crazy enough now to f**k with a sky father like Zeus/odin/Rune king thor/atum the god eater they would shove a lighting bolt up his candy a$$. He avoided the rewrite it's clearly written in the comics....And those Skyfathers are scared of Darkseid at full power. And King Thor would just get omega beamed by him at full power, which you call pre-crisis, just like the other gods.

Originally posted by Juntai
He avoided the rewrite it's clearly written in the comics....And those Skyfathers are scared of Darkseid at full power. And King Thor would just get omega beamed by him at full power, which you call pre-crisis, just like the other gods.

Those are DC gods not marvel gods big difference, Marvels Odin/Zeus/RKT are not the same characters in DC universe get it right. Odinforce/Rune are greater than that sorry a$$ omega beams. Yeah! the same omega beams that can't catch superman or it gets deflected by heat vision, man get that bullsh** out of here.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Those are DC gods not marvel gods big difference, Marvels Odin/Zeus/RKT are not the same characters in DC universe get it right. Odinforce/Rune are greater than that sorry a$$ omega beams. Yeah! the same omega beams that can't catch superman or it gets deflected by heat vision, man get that bullsh** out of here. At high power it would wipe them.
At low power, it would do nothing.

And it would wipe RKT, as this "the most powerful version of Darkseid" as the thread says.

Pretty much everyone is in agreeance of this already, why are you attempting to dispute it?

Because I f**king can, that's other people opinion.

The highest pantheon gods in DC where scared of him,
are you saying... Marvel's gods are more powerful?

Originally posted by Juntai
The highest pantheon gods in DC where scared of him,
are you saying... Marvel's gods are more powerful?

Ah! yes. That's DC gods not marvels big difference they are written differently.


Rune King Thor like his father can absorb all the life force of Asgard that means godly/magic energy and the nine worlds putting himself on Galactus level of power.


There are lot of gods in marvel universe that will kill pre-crisis darkseid.

Darkseid just omega beams Thor, and it's over. Why don't you understand this?
Until you can show me a shot of Darkseid at full power losing a pantheon god, your words are pretty meaningless, because they ran from him, scared, because he slaughtered them.
Check the Respect Darkseid thread.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Ah! yes. That's DC gods not marvels big difference they are written differently.


Rune King Thor like his father can absorb all the life force of Asgard that means godly/magic energy and the nine worlds putting himself on Galactus level of power.


There are lot of gods in marvel universe that will kill pre-crisis darkseid. This thread about Thor, not Rune King Thor, but that one will lose as well.

Show me where Pre-crisis darkseid travel to marvel universe and took on Odin/Zeus/Atum/ RKT/Cthon/Set/Sutur/ Gaea/Shuma Groth/Cyttorak. and we are not talking about dc gods.



Everybody knows that regular thor will go down.

It's not the same exact gods no, but to claim Marvel's are stronger just because they're Marvels' is rediculous.

No is not ridiculous, two different universe. And Marvel gods they are stronger just deal with. Before celestials, LT, Phoenix force the top dogs in the marvel universe where Galactus/Odin/Zeus.

Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc. marvel gods are better and in my opinion are written better than Dc's if don't like it,

oh well !

sorry for yah

Originally posted by the Darkone
No is not ridiculous, two different universe. And Marvel gods they are stronger just deal with. Before celestials, LT, Phoenix force the top dogs in the marvel universe where Galactus/Odin/Zeus.

Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc. marvel gods are better and in my opinion are written better than Dc's if don't like it,

oh well !

sorry for yah And at full power, Darkseid has erased/rewritten history with Omega effect, downed gods with omega effect, harmed Spectre with it. Made The Source feel pain.

Darkseid is beyond the universe, he just casts avatars into it, and sometimes more than one. And sometimes apperently stronger than others.

Originally posted by Juntai
And at full power, Darkseid has erased/rewritten history with Omega effect, downed gods with omega effect, harmed Spectre with it. Made The Source feel pain.

Darkseid is beyond the universe, he just casts avatars into it, and sometimes more than one.


make the specter fell pain so the hell what, now god feels pain is just f**king stupid and bad writing having god fell pain straight dumb sh**.

Originally posted by the Darkone
No is not ridiculous, two different universe. And Marvel gods they are stronger just deal with. Before celestials, LT, Phoenix force the top dogs in the marvel universe where Galactus/Odin/Zeus.

Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc. marvel gods are better and in my opinion are written better than Dc's if don't like it,

oh well !

sorry for yah A guardian effortlessly defeating and killing a form of Galactus in JLA/Avengers... also noting the Guardians are scared of full powered Darkseid is a pretty good guage of power..


And as was apperently decided by majority in the Odin vs Galactus thread, Galactus is far more powerful.

"A guardian effortlessly defeating and killing a form of Galactus in JLA/Avengers"

It wasent a "Guardian" no.

"Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc"

In my pov they are also more of the top. Then again they do show up more and have more feats on a higher scale.

Originally posted by Juntai
Most of them yes, but it's irrelivent because it's the same Darkseid, and he himself has stated many times he was at low power. So his high feats are cutting swathe through gods.

what does that mean

At Pre-Crisis days the guy was all that.

now since Superman got a his powers lower so did Darkseid ( but even worse)

as all the low showings of DD , Kirby didn't want to make Darkseid loose to anyone

DC did it anyway

Meaning retcon

<<leo help us out here
what are his high showing after the Crisis?>>

there were a BUNCH of still VERY high showings (it's only very recently that he seems to be slipping for some reason) without going to the respect thread he has stalemated highfather (odin level), beaten takion (whose powers stem driectly from the source) created stayne (takion's counterpart) trapped the pantheons of gods, humbled the lords of order and chaos (those beings who give dr fate his power -- a MONSTROUS feat!) beat mordru, beat/trapped ares who was powered by the godwave inside the source and a bunch of other things you can look up in the respect thread.

people call him a jobber have only read his most recent showings. i still don't understand what dc's done/doing to him. it is clear that even AFTER crisis darkseid is enormously powerful -- should be WAY above superman level. but . . .

it's an inconsistency i hope dc corrects in the near future.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Using ChatGPT for fact based questions (what is the size of your mom, how fast is a jet fighter) doesn't mean questions like who beats whom in a fictional reality are valid....

FULL DISCLAIMER: I do not support the following, I only post it to show that Chat GPT answers can be shit

Do not be offended!

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Jwcvqd/Capture.jpg

Yeah but that same AI completely shit all over you, and I wouldn't dream of using it's answer to determine if you're a good debater or not.

Originally posted by jesserw21
who wins? This strikes me as asking which amped version of either character wins.

In which case, ALE Darkseid from Final Crisis stomps any amped version of Thor.

Originally posted by ODG
This strikes me as asking which amped version of either character wins.

In which case, ALE Darkseid from Final Crisis stomps any amped version of Thor.
ALE Darkseid is just Darkseid using a mathematical formula, you retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ALE Darkseid is just Darkseid using a mathematical formula Exactly

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/ab2f2c6d-7203-4e82-b31d-912d6e21fc37.gif

Originally posted by ODG
Exactly

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/ab2f2c6d-7203-4e82-b31d-912d6e21fc37.gif
It's just a math formula, he's not more powerful than his normal true self.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's just a math formula DC comic's legendary Anti-Life Equation... is just a math formula?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/98cc5744-830e-4a17-8561-b37fd9c00e17.gif

Now how stupid does that sound? Stupid enough to be one of the dumbest things you've ever said on KMC. Flash-fact. When someone makes a Revamped abhilegend Respect Thread, that post should be near the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

Originally posted by ODG
DC comic's legendary Anti-Life Equation... is just a math formula?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/98cc5744-830e-4a17-8561-b37fd9c00e17.gif

Now how stupid does that sound? Stupid enough to be one of the dumbest things you've ever said on KMC. Flash-fact. When someone makes a Revamped abhilegend Respect Thread, that post should be near the top of the Stupid Feats Section.
Yes, as per final crisis it is.

Read it, retard.

^ Your b1tch-made self doesn't deserve it. But you might actually be this stupid. So let's try a more constructive tact:

"2+2=4" is just a math formula. Does that math formula make you master of all existence like DC's Anti-Life Equation? Yes or no?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Your b1tch-made self doesn't deserve it. But you might actually be this stupid. So let's try a more constructive tact:

"2+2=4" is just a math formula. Does that math formula make you master of all existence like DC's Anti-Life Equation? Yes or no?
ALE didn't make Darkseid master of all existence in Final Crisis, retard. It only removed free will from individuals.

Read retard, read.

^ Good job running away from your moronic proposiiton that the ALE wasn't an amp.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Good job running away from your moronic proposiiton that the ALE wasn't an amp.
It didn't make Darkseid master of all existence, retard.

Read retard, read.

^ We get it. You are trying to completely diminish what the ALE does/represents to reverse-aggrandize Darkseid.

I mean... that utterly butchers Darkseid's character as he's been singularly obsessed for decades with obtaining the ALE, but ok. ALE don't mean sh1t according to you. Darkseid was chasing after nothing for decades, all on-panel... what a rube...

Maybe take a step back and realize how blatantly you are assassinating a DC character's portrayal solely due to your inability to accept your own self-afflicted butthurt concerning a random KMC poster.

Not the way to read comics, pal. Not the way to discuss them either.

Originally posted by ODG
^ We get it. You are trying to completely diminish what the ALE does/represents to reverse-aggrandize Darkseid.

I mean... that utterly butchers Darkseid's character as he's been singularly obsessed for decades with obtaining the ALE, but ok. ALE don't mean sh1t according to you. Darkseid was chasing after nothing for decades, all on-panel... what a rube...

Maybe take a step back and realize how blatantly you are assassinating a DC character's portrayal solely due to your inability to accept your own self-afflicted butthurt concerning a random KMC poster.

Not the way to read comics, pal. Not the way to discuss them either.
Darkseid was chasing ALE to enslave everyone's will, which is exactly what the ALE as a math formula did, you silly little phaggot. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

Read retard, read.

^ You can pretend like I haven't done this for years with other KMC posters who were both smarter and less butthurt than you. Same KMC posters who also tried to disregard the ALE to reverse-aggrandize Darkseid and ended up twisting themselves up into sh1t-shaped pretzels.

But before all that, admit that your initial post was utterly wrong: Originally posted by abhilegend
It's just a math formula, he's not more powerful than his normal true self. Baby steps first for your baby-b1tch a$$.

odg my man, would you PLEASE put him on ignore. i'm begging you....anyway, i'm not sure that the ale makes darkseid more powerful exactly--rather maybe i should say i don't know that it increases his PERSONAL store of power--but it DEFINATELY enables him to do things he never could without it. not sure i explained that very well lol i guess what i'm saying is that in a sense and imo you're both right? i mean scott free had the equation for a long time iirc and he never gained personal power from the knowledge. had he unleashed it though he could also have subjugated practically everyone. /shrug

Originally posted by ODG
^ You can pretend like I haven't done this for years with other KMC posters who were both smarter and less butthurt than you. Same KMC posters who also tried to disregard the ALE to reverse-aggrandize Darkseid and ended up twisting themselves up into sh1t-shaped pretzels.

But before all that, admit that your initial post was utterly wrong: Baby steps first for your baby-b1tch a$$.
You could shit for years in every thread and get ***** slapped every time, doesn't makes your ***** ass loser self any more coherent or true, little phaggot.

Nigga please, you can't even understand a simple comic, baby steps is too large for you.

Originally posted by leonidas
odg my man, would you PLEASE put him on ignore. i'm begging you....anyway, i'm not sure that the ale makes darkseid more powerful exactly--rather maybe i should say i don't know that it increases his PERSONAL store of power--but it DEFINATELY enables him to do things he never could without it. not sure i explained that very well lol i guess what i'm saying is that in a sense and imo you're both right? i mean scott free had the equation for a long time iirc and he never gained personal power from the knowledge. had he unleashed it though he could also have subjugated practically everyone. /shrug
ALE in Final Crisis was nothing more than a math formula, anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ALE in Final Crisis was nothing more than a math formula, anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard. https://media.tenor.com/hsBSy3ZpW2EAAAAM/what-the.gif Originally posted by leonidas
odg my man, would you PLEASE put him on ignore. I did already. Years ago.

And then abihilegend put me on ignore.

But then the lil b1tch undid that and took that opportunity to chase me for 200+ posts across 10-+ years. And I kept him on ignore.

Why are you pleading to me? Plead to that obsessed b1tch.

Originally posted by ODG
https://media.tenor.com/hsBSy3ZpW2EAAAAM/what-the.gif I did already. Years ago.

And then abihilegend put me on ignore.

But then the lil b1tch undid that and took that opportunity to chase me for 200+ posts across 10-+ years. And I kept him on ignore.

Why are you pleading to me? Plead to that obsessed b1tch.
It's literally spelled out in Final Crisis Secret Files, retard. ALE in Final Crisis was nothing more than a math formula.

Read, retard, read.

^ Was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?
No. You might be more powerful learning 2+2=4, retard.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not? We both know that you've already twisted yourself so hard that I could literally quote your own posts against yourself.

But just take a stance and move forward.

Was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?

Originally posted by ODG
We both know that you've already twisted yourself so hard that I could literally quote your own posts against yourself.

But just take a stance and move forward.

Was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?
I already said no, you ****ing retard.

^ Well you are cutting your nose to spite your face. But I have no issue guiding your blade, pal. So when why has Darkseid historically sought the Anti-Life Equation if it were so pointless compared to his personal power?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Well you are cutting your nose to spite your face. But I have no issue guiding your blade, pal. So when why has Darkseid historically sought the Anti-Life Equation if it were so pointless compared to his personal power?
It was about enslaving people to his will, that's what it did in Final Crisis.

Your retarded ass didn't understand a thing even after almost two decades after Final Crisis lol.

So was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?

Originally posted by ODG
So was Darkseid more powerful having obtained the ALE or not?
No.

How many times do I have to say that before you understand it, little phaggot?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

How many times do I have to say that before you understand it, little phaggot? I do believe your sudden eagerness to use the ***got word belies a desperation for KMC mods to lock all the threads we are engaged in.

Like you are so distressed at how poorly every single thread is going for you that you'd rather nuke such threads via mods enforcing the flaming rule.

tch tch

Guy, mods ain't been enforcing sh1t for awhile. You actually enjoyed that by stalking me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while being ignored.

So you're just wallowing in your own sh1t-filled diaper at this point.

Originally posted by ODG
I do believe your sudden eagerness to use the ***got word belies a desperation for KMC mods to lock all the threads we are engaged in.

Like you are so distressed at how poorly every single thread is going for you that you'd rather nuke such threads via mods enforcing the flaming rule.

tch tch

Guy, mods ain't been enforcing sh1t for awhile. You actually enjoyed that by stalking me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while being ignored.

So you're just wallowing in your own sh1t-filled diaper at this point.
There's no mods on this dead forum, phaggot.

You got your answer, now what you little phaggot?

^ Mod indifference is exactly why you were able to stalk me with 200+ posts across 10+ years even though being ignored. We all know that. We all know just how utterly obsessively butthurt you are. Over what discussions? Nobody even knows.

But nobody is filling your diapers w/ sh1t other than you when you insist that Darkseid was not more powerful having obtained the ALE.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's no mods on this dead forum, phaggot.

You got your answer, now what you little phaggot? It's unclear why you've wholly devolved towards using the ***got term so liberally.

I imagine it's because you are so furious impotent that this is the first thing out of your spiteful mouth.

But in the spirit of engendering constructive discussion. Knock it off.

Originally posted by ODG
It's unclear why you've wholly devolved towards using the ***got term so liberally.

I imagine it's because you are so furious impotent that this is the first thing out of your spiteful mouth.

But in the spirit of engendering constructive discussion. Knock it off.
No, what are you gonna do phaggot?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Mod indifference is exactly why you were able to stalk me with 200+ posts across 10+ years even though being ignored. We all know that. We all know just how utterly obsessively butthurt you are. Over what discussions? Nobody even knows.

But nobody is filling your diapers w/ sh1t other than you when you insist that Darkseid was not more powerful having obtained the ALE.
You asked me, I answered it. What now phaggot? You're gonna repeat the question again and again?

^ You're justifying your hateful language because you feel victimized by our interactions. Then you should put me on ignore.

Because at this point, by chasing after me for 200+ posts across 20+ years, then you're the one begging for my attention out of some perverse self-masochistic compulsion.

Originally posted by ODG
^ You're justifying your hateful language because you feel victimized by our interactions. Then you should put me on ignore.

Because at this point, by chasing after me for 200+ posts across 20+ years, then you're the one begging for my attention out of some perverse self-masochistic compulsion.
You asked me a question and I answered it, what now phaggot?

^ Yes, you declared that possession of the Anti-Life Equation doesn't represent an amp. That was indeed your answer.

There is no further discussion to be had over such abject ignorance. List every character including Darkseid that possessed the ALE (or pieces thereof) at one time or another: Billion-Dollar Bates, Orion, Mister Miracle, Empress, Pied Piper, Angle Man, etc. Were they more powerful than before possessing the ALE? Yes, obviously so.

As well as Darkseid whose entire character history has revolved around him seeking the ALE.

You cannot help but howl otherwise though. Not because established comic history demonstrates otherwise. No, because you are just so obsessively butthurt that you're just left sh1tting up this thread (among others) with utter nonsense and bigoted slurs. You're so utterly twisted up in your own butthurt that your only escape avenue is hoping that mods close this thread due to your incessant abject flaming.

Sorry (but not sorry) to disabuse you of any notion that mods care to do so. You're just extending the self-inflicted embarrassment of your own butthurt obsession that was already amply demonstrated when you decided to chase after me with 200+ posts across 20+ years while being ignored.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Yes, you declared that possession of the Anti-Life Equation doesn't represent an amp. That was indeed your answer.

Glad to know that you can at least read.

Final Crisis was a giant ****ing retcon of new gods history if you don't know, you ****ing retard.

In Final Crisis ALE manifested as a math formula to rob people's will, it has no bearing on any previous depictions of ALE. Because New Gods and weapons of the new gods are archetypes of a higher, platonic world, it's depictions vary by each appearance.

It's an in universe plot device to reconcile contradictory appearances of new gods and ALE which changes its properties pretty much every time it appears.

You're monumentally stupid. That's it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In Final Crisis ALE manifested as a math formula to rob people's will, it has no bearing on any previous depictions of ALE. It definitely has bearing as Final Crisis recontextualizes the true scope of the ALE that had been only hinted at prior. Because the previous depictions of the ALE were merely "facets of the unimaginable whole that is the complete Anti-Life Equation" that actually manifested in Final Crisis. Not my words, btw. And made manifestly obvious by the main storyline of Final Crisis and all of it's leadups and side-stories. Originally posted by abhilegend
Because New Gods and weapons of the new gods are archetypes of a higher, platonic world, it's depictions vary by each appearance. Statement of unextraordinary fact. Which would only serve to disprove your facile attempt to belittle the ALE as constituting only simple mind-control. Originally posted by abhilegend
It's an in universe plot device to reconcile contradictory appearances of new gods and ALE which changes its properties pretty much every time it appears. Statement of unextraordinary fact. Which would only serve to disprove your facile attempt to belittle the ALE as constituting only simple mind-control. Final Crisis was not a storyline that trivialized the ALE into being lesser than what it had been historically portrayed as. Final Crisis underscored the unimaginably frightful true scope of the ALE as the God-weapon it was always hinted as being.

You're pretending to argue with me by lacing half of your posts with uncontroversial statements that actually serve to undermine your own spiteful stance if you had a lick of self-awareness. It's hauntingly similar to the pernicious pattern that flat-earthers resort to:

"Y'see, Earth is not a sphere. The solar system's planetary bodies are spheres. Earth's Moon is a sphere, Mars and Jupiter are spheres, etc.

. . . . .

Whaddaya mean that pattern should prove Earth is also a sphere? Have you ever seen the Earth from an outside vantage point? No, you haven't.

. . . . .

NASA pictures don't count because NASA is in on the conspiracy trying to hide the icewalls at the edges of Earth.

. . . . .

No, but NASA pictures of the Moon, Mars, etc. do count. But not the "fake" ones of Earth just because."

Here, in this so-called "argument" about Darkseid w/ ALE, you pretend to accept that the ALE has, historically on-panel, proven to far more than simple mind-control even before Final Crisis. You also feign acknowledgement that Final Crisis was the meant to be the ultimate recontextualization of the ALE's true scope. You have to, because your obsessive aggrandization of Darkseid's personal power as a New God literally relies on that same recontextualization that Final Crisis offers the Fourth World and its characters and concepts.

But this is the point you hypocritically sh1t your diapers and pretend that the ALE had little to do with Final Crisis's ultimate calamity. That sh1t argument was peddled by many a KMC poster before your creepy stalking a$$. It didn't pass muster back in 2008. It doesn't now. It's nearly the same self-serving horsesh1t that IG Thanos fanboys peddled pretending that his feats against Marvel Earth's heroes could be divorced from the IG by butchering the notion of "sensory input". Except that particular KMC myth had actual legs before its prononents were humiliated into obscurity.

This attempted "Final Crisis ALE=mind control only" myth was stillborn and slithered down the a$$-crack of its whore mother. Figures only someone like you would attempt to back it.

kinda

Originally posted by ODG
It definitely has bearing as Final Crisis recontextualizes the true scope of the ALE that had been only hinted at prior. Because the previous depictions of the ALE were merely "facets of the unimaginable whole that is the complete Anti-Life Equation" that actually manifested in Final Crisis. Not my words, btw. And made manifestly obvious by the main storyline of Final Crisis and all of it's leadups and side-stories. Statement of unextraordinary fact. Which would only serve to disprove your facile attempt to belittle the ALE as constituting only simple mind-control. Statement of unextraordinary fact. Which would only serve to disprove your facile attempt to belittle the ALE as constituting only simple mind-control. Final Crisis was not a storyline that trivialized the ALE into being lesser than what it had been historically portrayed as. Final Crisis underscored the unimaginably frightful true scope of the ALE as the God-weapon it was always hinted as being.
Originally posted by ODG
You're pretending to argue with me by lacing half of your posts with uncontroversial statements that actually serve to undermine your own spiteful stance if you had a lick of self-awareness. It's hauntingly similar to the pernicious pattern that flat-earthers resort to:

"Y'see, Earth is not a sphere. The solar system's planetary bodies are spheres. Earth's Moon is a sphere, Mars and Jupiter are spheres, etc.

. . . . .

Whaddaya mean that pattern should prove Earth is also a sphere? Have you ever seen the Earth from an outside vantage point? No, you haven't.

. . . . .

NASA pictures don't count because NASA is in on the conspiracy trying to hide the icewalls at the edges of Earth.

. . . . .

No, but NASA pictures of the Moon, Mars, etc. do count. But not the "fake" ones of Earth just because." Originally posted by ODG
Here, in this so-called "argument" about Darkseid w/ ALE, you pretend to accept that the ALE has, historically on-panel, proven to far more than simple mind-control even before Final Crisis. You also feign acknowledgement that Final Crisis was the meant to be the ultimate recontextualization of the ALE's true scope. You have to, because your obsessive aggrandization of Darkseid's personal power as a New God literally relies on that same recontextualization that Final Crisis offers the Fourth World and its characters and concepts.

But this is the point you hypocritically sh1t your diapers and pretend that the ALE had little to do with Final Crisis's ultimate calamity. That sh1t argument was peddled by many a KMC poster before your creepy stalking a$$. It didn't pass muster back in 2008. It doesn't now. It's nearly the same self-serving horsesh1t that IG Thanos fanboys peddled pretending that his feats against Marvel Earth's heroes could be divorced from the IG by butchering the notion of "sensory input". Except that particular KMC myth had actual legs before its prononents were humiliated into obscurity.

This attempted "Final Crisis ALE=mind control only" myth was stillborn and slithered down the a$$-crack of its whore mother. Figures only someone like you would attempt to back it.

kinda
https://i.ibb.co/2m7kQhH/Yu-NKv-KVa-FDz8g-EMu9-FTJ1eg2ivs-CSYhm-TQMhm-Zq-Tx-YVVyuz-Vd-ioj-pes-VT62m-Wc-Iao-WRs-RKMz0-s1600-rh.jpg

"A mathematical formula for absolute control, capable of disproving the very concept of free will and enslaving all who are exposed to it".

There you go, direct from the comic itself. Unless you think you know better than the writer himself, this long rant is for nothing.

^ You'll peddle the same impotent arguments like your forebears but you have to stand on a high-chair to kiss their a$$es and have never actually countered the comics themselves. You can pretend that the ALE during Final Crisis was nothing more than simple mind-control but:

Mokkari pressed a button on a keyboard to unleash the ALE that cracked time and space. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE01.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE02.jpg

And Spectre wrecked creation by speaking the ALE. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE03.jpg

And given that your argument is the ALE is strictly limited to only stripping free will, then how did normal humans start shooting Omega Finder Beams???? On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE04.jpg

These are all rhetorical questions. Because your trollish b1tch-a$$ has no better arguments than those offered and swiftly slapped down back in 2008.

Originally posted by ODG
^ You'll peddle the same impotent arguments like your forebears but you have to stand on a high-chair to kiss their a$$es and have never actually countered the comics themselves. You can pretend that the ALE during Final Crisis was nothing more than simple mind-control but:

Mokkari pressed a button on a keyboard to unleash the ALE that cracked time and space. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE01.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE02.jpg

And Spectre wrecked creation by speaking the ALE. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE03.jpg

ALE was spoken even before Mokkari or Spectre said it. Nothing happened, literally.

https://i.ibb.co/sd5fWDTJ/jp-Z0sht-Vugi-Qi-XV-u3zzu-Dv-Yx-ADlpb-VAAffm-CXh-d5-Yvbw-Jt-RYFNY5-Fi-Jhp-W5-CZEEl-URk-wjzis-Oo-Dt9s.jpg

We have been over this, you ****ing retard. Repeating the same thing wouldn't make it true.

Originally posted by ODG
And given that your argument is the ALE is strictly limited to only stripping free will, then how did normal humans start shooting Omega Finder Beams???? On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE04.jpg

Darkseid possessed them, it's right there lol.

You're an idiot. This is straight up denial because of your hatred of Darkseid, a fictional character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ALE was spoken even before Mokkari or Spectre said it. Nothing happened, literally.

https://ibb.co/sd5fWDTJ So your argument is that Mokkari and Spectre didn't actually do anything. Wow. Originally posted by abhilegend
We have been over this, you ****ing retard. Repeating the same thing wouldn't make it true. Yes, we have. And you are 100% right. You repeating the same garbage arguments doesn't make your arguments true. They've been dismissed into oblivion for decades.

You haven't actually proven that what Final Crisis Darkseid did could be separated from the ALE amp that he clearly possessed. I have argued this with your betters like Allankles, TricksterPriest, kevdude, WhiteWitchKing, The Great Galen, comicfan11, Philosophia etc.

You'd have to erect a skyscraper just to kiss their a$$es before deigning to enjoy their arguments. Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid possessed them, it's right there lol. Imbuing thralls with actual Omegafinder beams is different than simple mind-control though, isn't it?

You are so uncontrollably butthurt over that simple fact, aren't you?

But explain it. The difference. Go ahead. As if your forebears didn't ineffectually stumble over themselves to do so.

Originally posted by ODG
So your argument is that Mokkari and Spectre didn't actually do anything. Wow.

Circular arguments are so funny.
You still have to show us the supposed "amp" he got from ALE.

Nobody cares.

Yawn, the same garbage every time. Typical.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ALE was spoken even before Mokkari or Spectre said it. Nothing happened, literally.

https://i.ibb.co/sd5fWDTJ/jp-Z0sht-Vugi-Qi-XV-u3zzu-Dv-Yx-ADlpb-VAAffm-CXh-d5-Yvbw-Jt-RYFNY5-Fi-Jhp-W5-CZEEl-URk-wjzis-Oo-Dt9s.jpg

We have been over this, you ****ing retard. Repeating the same thing wouldn't make it true.

Your scan shows the kids with glowing red eyes after having been taught the equation - he's not possessing them there. They've been changed. Literally says how they've been mutated.

The story tells us Time/Space broke during the 'war in heaven', which was even before falling to Earth.
And the multiverse was already being dragged down by Darkseid's godly presence on Earth.

The Antilife equation being released and expanding Darkseid's influence may have accelerated things, but it was all already happening.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your scan shows the kids with glowing red eyes after having been taught the equation - he's not possessing them there. They've been changed. Literally says how they've been mutated.
OK? ODG's position is that Mokkari broke space time by releasing ALE on internet but ALE was already released in the world by Boss Dark Side on several kids without any such things happening. Originally posted by Juntai
The story tells us Time/Space broke during the 'war in heaven', which was even before falling to Earth.
And the multiverse was already being dragged down by Darkseid's godly presence on Earth.

The Antilife equation being released and expanding Darkseid's influence may have accelerated things, but it was all already happening.
ALE didn't do anything to accelerate the breaking of the time and space. That was solely due to the fall of Darkseid's true form.

ODG point blank refuses to accept that there's a true form of Darkseid to begin with. It's the most bizarre thing to read lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OK? ODG's position is that Mokkari broke space time by releasing ALE on internet but ALE was already released in the world by Boss Dark Side on several kids without any such things happening.
ALE didn't do anything to accelerate the breaking of the time and space. That was solely due to the fall of Darkseid's true form.

ODG point blank refuses to accept that there's a true form of Darkseid to begin with. It's the most bizarre thing to read lol. That's why I wrote 'may have', because it would require an affirmative of sorts as well.

I think the important point in this entire argument is are there any *explicit* proofs that ALE amped Darkseid in dragging the Multiverse
We only have the comics explicitly say Darkseid dragging down the whole Multiverse, his personal singularity/black hole was dragging down the Multiverse
"Darkseid's falling, dragging this whole universe down as he goes...the whole Multiverse"
https://ibb.co/cXDTGqbQ

"The Eartth is at ground zero of a Doomsday singularity. *The impact of Darkseid's fall* is causing cracks to spread through all space setors."
"Darkseid's dragging all our freinds into hell with him!"
https://ibb.co/R4S5y17c

"Darkseid is sitting at the center of a *personal* singularity"
https://ibb.co/JFsVfXNK

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think the important point in this entire argument is are there any *explicit* proofs that ALE amped Darkseid in dragging the Multiverse
We only have the comics explicitly say Darkseid dragging down the whole Multiverse, his personal singularity/black hole was dragging down the Multiverse
"Darkseid's falling, dragging this whole universe down as he goes...the whole Multiverse"
https://ibb.co/cXDTGqbQ

"The Eartth is at ground zero of a Doomsday singularity. *The impact of Darkseid's fall* is causing cracks to spread through all space setors."
"Darkseid's dragging all our freinds into hell with him!"
https://ibb.co/R4S5y17c

"Darkseid is sitting at the center of a *personal* singularity"
https://ibb.co/JFsVfXNK

This has been pointed out to him several times previously.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's why I wrote 'may have', because it would require an affirmative of sorts as well.
Yeah, I think that's the point here. We don't really have any affirmative/explicit proofs to say ALE caused the entire Multiverse going down

From what I can gather, the comics only say Darkseid dragging the whole Multiverse, the impact of his fall/his personal singularity caused the spacetime problems

It's like....we can argue about ALE *may* cause the spacetime going down, but we can also argue it's just the presence of Darkseid causes it because in the very same issue it also says gods' presence deforms time
https://ibb.co/JWwfdM3W

Originally posted by abhilegend
Circular arguments are so funny. Agreed. Insisting that Final Crisis showed the true scope of Fourth World concepts/characters that had been only hinted at prior like for Darkseid but absolutely not for the ALE...

... even though previous depictions of the ALE were merely "facets of the unimaginable whole that is the complete Anti-Life Equation"?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/b7bc1ce3-22e0-419d-9a7f-91a10d7e76d8.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
You still have to show us the supposed "amp" he got from ALE. You should read Final Crisis #1-6. kinda Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody cares. Definitely not those who are trembling and petrified over repeating thoroughly deconstructed arguments of the past. Originally posted by abhilegend

Yawn, the same garbage every time. Typical. Well... yes. Exactly this. shocklaugh

Originally posted by Juntai
The Antilife equation being released and expanding Darkseid's influence may have accelerated things, but it was all already happening. And what happened before the DC multiverse was collapsing? Before Darkseid's descent? Before the war in heaven, even?

https://y.yarn.co/ed8e8287-5dc2-4dc2-94f2-e3790a6a3186_text.gif

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think the important point in this entire argument is are there any *explicit* proofs that ALE amped Darkseid in dragging the Multiverse I'll be blunt. What sort of flaccid limp-d1cked burden of proof fallacy is this? You are impotently begging the question by demanding that I disprove a dying Darkseid w/o ALE could've dragged down the DC Multiverse during Final Crisis.

That's not how this works. The burden of proof is actually on you schnooks to prove a dying Darkseid w/o ALE would have done so during Final Crisis. It's the same burden of proof for all of those Thanos w/ IG shills who insisted that his fight against the Marvel Earth heroes could somehow be divorced from the IG gems due to a bastardized interpretation of Thanos alluding to "sensory input".

You don't get to reverse this burden of proof. Particularly since within the pages of Final Crisis, the Astroforce-wielding New God Orion descended into the lower dimension while dying and caused no DC multiversal upheaval. Neither did any of the deaths of any other New Gods like Big Barda, Steppenwolf, Desaad, Mad Harriet result in similar DC multiversal upheaval. And what exactly is the obviously on-panel fact that differentiates those dying New Gods from Darkseid?

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation.

Originally posted by Juntai
This has been pointed out to him several times previously. I'll be clear. None of these "arguments" are new. They've all been routinely deconstructed into obscurity years upon years ago across multiple threads. Mainly because I kept needling your self-serving hypocrisies underlying your biases and ya'll eventually flee. These innumerable discussions with Allankles, TricksterPriest, kevdude, WhiteWitchKing, The Great Galen, comicfan11, Philosophia and you, Juntai, all happened in the immediate wake of Final Crisis.

So here's an obvious question for you: during the last 15+ years since Final Crisis, have you ever paused to reflect on how Darkseid hasn't displayed such abject personal power like you pretend he did during Final Crisis?

Any self-introspection at all? Have you no self-awareness?

And Darkseid has since died even. But his death-throes did not collapse the DC multiverse. What exactly is the obviously on-panel fact that differentiates such death throes from that during Final Crisis?

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation.

Re-emerging years later across random scattered threads hoping KMC has forgotten isn't a winning strategy. It's the nature of cockroaches.

Neither is pretending that an additional 15+ years of publications since Final Crisis doesn't abjectly erode such a laughable outdated myth. That's the nature of trolls.

Originally posted by ODG
Agreed. Insisting that Final Crisis showed the true scope of Fourth World concepts/characters that had been only hinted at prior like for Darkseid but absolutely not for the ALE...

... even though previous depictions of the ALE were merely "facets of the unimaginable whole that is the complete Anti-Life Equation"?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/b7bc1ce3-22e0-419d-9a7f-91a10d7e76d8.jpg
Yes, in final crisis ALE appeared as a mathematical formula, that was its whole facet. Congratulations, you learnt that finally.

This is garbage, even by your standards.

Originally posted by ODG

You don't get to reverse this burden of proof. Particularly since within the pages of Final Crisis, the Astroforce-wielding New God Orion descended into the lower dimension while dying and caused no DC multiversal upheaval. Neither did any of the deaths of any other New Gods like Big Barda, Steppenwolf, Desaad, Mad Harriet result in similar DC multiversal upheaval. And what exactly is the obviously on-panel fact that differentiates those dying New Gods from Darkseid?

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation.

Final Crisis outright states that all the new gods except Darkseid already died before Darkseid's fall in the material world in the War in Heaven and what we see is their emnations, not the actual new gods. I mean, how many times do you have to be corrected lol.

Originally posted by ODG
I'll be clear. None of these "arguments" are new. They've all been routinely deconstructed into obscurity years upon years ago across multiple threads. Mainly because I kept needling your self-serving hypocrisies underlying your biases and ya'll eventually flee. These innumerable discussions with Allankles, TricksterPriest, kevdude, WhiteWitchKing, The Great Galen, comicfan11, Philosophia and you, Juntai, all happened in the immediate wake of Final Crisis.

So here's an obvious question for you: during the last 15+ years since Final Crisis, have you ever paused to reflect on how Darkseid hasn't displayed such abject personal power like you pretend he did during Final Crisis?

Any self-introspection at all? Have you no self-awareness?

And Darkseid has since died even. But his death-throes did not collapse the DC multiverse. What exactly is the obviously on-panel fact that differentiates such death throes from that during Final Crisis?

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation.

Re-emerging years later across random scattered threads hoping KMC has forgotten isn't a winning strategy. It's the nature of cockroaches.

Neither is pretending that an additional 15+ years of publications since Final Crisis doesn't abjectly erode such a laughable outdated myth. That's the nature of trolls.
Grant Morrison clearly showed that all Darkseid appearances after Final Crisis were his emanations, just like the other new gods.

https://i.ibb.co/9k1k0PpJ/3ku7-SAVw3u5g6-Cw-ZB-B0-Cog-Nq6c-NUQc5-KRG8-FDMj-V8-I29tvh1-VEob288kt-Yxxsko-XEa-KLw40oj-F-s1600-rhl.jpg

This is where you pretend this was never shown to you and Darkseid was somehow made big by ALE here.

https://i.ibb.co/BKGPM1gK/DCCUniverse20080-Int1.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
I'll be blunt. What sort of flaccid limp-d1cked burden of proof fallacy is this? You are impotently begging the question by demanding that I disprove a dying Darkseid w/o ALE could've dragged down the DC Multiverse during Final Crisis.

That's not how this works. The burden of proof is actually on you schnooks to prove a dying Darkseid w/o ALE would have done so during Final Crisis. It's the same burden of proof for all of those Thanos w/ IG shills who insisted that his fight against the Marvel Earth heroes could somehow be divorced from the IG gems due to a bastardized interpretation of Thanos alluding to "sensory input".

You don't get to reverse this burden of proof. Particularly since within the pages of Final Crisis, the Astroforce-wielding New God Orion descended into the lower dimension while dying and caused no DC multiversal upheaval. Neither did any of the deaths of any other New Gods like Big Barda, Steppenwolf, Desaad, Mad Harriet result in similar DC multiversal upheaval. And what exactly is the obviously on-panel fact that differentiates those dying New Gods from Darkseid?

Darkseid finally obtained the Anti-Life Equation.
I mean you made a claim that ALE somehow amped Darkseid in dragging the Multiverse, but there are no such explicitly proofs.

As for how Darkseid differentiates from other New Gods, didn't recent DC All-In actually make it clear Darkseid is an essential force(and Snyder's intentions are also meant to say Darkseid is far more than just a New God)

Also, I don't know if anyone mentioned this before
Morrison's intentions seem to be just Darkseid's fall that broke the Multiverse

http://web.archive.org/web/20110604031000/http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090808-MorrisonFC3.html

And the DC official website synopses on issue 5 and Secret files also seems to agree with it


https://www.dc.com/comics/final-crisis-2008/final-crisis-5


https://www.dc.com/comics/final-crisis-2008/final-crisis-secret-files-1

Originally posted by abhilegend

This is where you pretend this was never shown to you and Darkseid was somehow made big by ALE here.

https://i.ibb.co/BKGPM1gK/DCCUniverse20080-Int1.jpg
I also think Morrison's interview and DC official website synopses on issue 5 and Secret Files also seem to agree with it's mere just Darkseid's fall caused the Multiverse to be broken



In the synopsis of issue 5, we have

And the comic also states
"The Eartth is at ground zero of a Doomsday singularity. *The impact of Darkseid's fall* is causing cracks to spread through all space setors."
"Darkseid's dragging all our freinds into hell with him!"
https://ibb.co/R4S5y17c

And in the Secret Files, we have:


Links already posted above

Originally posted by abhilegend
Grant Morrison clearly showed that all Darkseid appearances after Final Crisis were his emanations, just like the other new gods.

https://i.ibb.co/9k1k0PpJ/3ku7-SAVw3u5g6-Cw-ZB-B0-Cog-Nq6c-NUQc5-KRG8-FDMj-V8-I29tvh1-VEob288kt-Yxxsko-XEa-KLw40oj-F-s1600-rhl.jpg

This is where you pretend this was never shown to you and Darkseid was somehow made big by ALE here.

https://i.ibb.co/BKGPM1gK/DCCUniverse20080-Int1.jpg Yep, Darkseid was dead for the last years of post-crisis universe all the way through New52 lol. The Darkseid they kept encountering throughout the multiverse was a new emanation.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, Darkseid was dead for the last years of post-crisis universe all the way through New52 lol. The Darkseid they kept encountering throughout the multiverse was a new emanation.
He will pretend that never happened and start his BS all over again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Grant Morrison clearly showed that all Darkseid appearances after Final Crisis were his emanations, just like the other new gods.

https://i.ibb.co/9k1k0PpJ/3ku7-SAVw3u5g6-Cw-ZB-B0-Cog-Nq6c-NUQc5-KRG8-FDMj-V8-I29tvh1-VEob288kt-Yxxsko-XEa-KLw40oj-F-s1600-rhl.jpg this isn't even a new concept either. the new gods were working through emanations way before morrison ever mentioned it. remember back when darkseid and highfather were both trapped on the source wall, and darkseid was still able to act on the physical plane exactly because he DOES use avatars? pretty sure he or desaad (or both) directly said as much like decades ago.

And even in the actual comic, Barbara Gordon confirms ALE is a mathematical proof, nothing more. From Final Crisis 4.

https://i.ibb.co/d4rD94BY/s-IXxnp24wed-LAzja-Rl-LVjwt-Qqrl-Qq-V6-PQODhq0kh-IMC8w-G9-Ycms8-FBk-Koeg-Rw1p-lr-Dpyy-Uj-G-E-y-AAVw.jpg https://i.ibb.co/4w67zPm0/Ps-FPd-N2n-Eu-c14p-A7gi-kv-Haaxh-NZSHRvzl-C8l-BC852u6a-Hag-T-PXf-ET357-E9-IQ0-Nf-Nh5a-Xmv-Sv-W670-Wa.jpg

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
this isn't even a new concept either. the new gods were working through emanations way before morrison ever mentioned it. remember back when darkseid and highfather were both trapped on the source wall, and darkseid was still able to act on the physical plane exactly because he DOES use avatars? pretty sure he or desaad (or both) directly said as much like decades ago.
Yes, it was shown in Anarky series as well. ODG refuses to accept it though because Orion appeared in issue 1. Issue 6 outright confirmed that Orion died in the War in Heaven in the final confrontation where he fatally wounded Darkseid.

https://i.ibb.co/zTms4R1V/s-VXd1-Zzie-Tk-Zu7-IYOG05w5h-Dd-OYOQ3p-Naf-Oa-Ir-Uc4-Zycd5-NP4-Ztbcom-NCBOnt770c-MKy-A0-Srkv-X-s1600.jpg

He's stuck with his nonsensical notions for over 15 years now, gotta respect the idiocy.

The only Darkseid that has actual combat feats are his Avatars because no one has seen True Form right? Thor vs Darkseid avatar? Who knows?