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Traya schools them? Or the trio overcomes her?

Oh, how she schools them.

Traya wins.

I do have a mental picture in my mind of Kreia smashing them against the walls like the Jedi Masters in Kotor II. Then Anakin gets cocky, gets up and charges at her, and summilarly gets his head blown off.

Indeed. She can pwn them all pretty easily.

*Sigh*

I'll pull an Avis and switch Anakin and Luke for Windu and Tyranus.

Now it gets interesting. But I still don't see the two of them overcoming her Force mastery. Especially her dirty one-hit kill card. They may be able to deal with her lightning or telekinesis, but that force eat, chew up, spit out, leave dead attack will be the death of both of them.

In the cut version she kicked even more ass. She uses force crush on the Disciple (or Handmaiden), Visas, Mira (or Hanharr), Bao-Dur.

In the gameplay programming brackets, it says that she lifts the four up, taunts them all one by one, then smashes them to pieces with force crush, leaving their dead bodies on the ground.

...

Are you bloody serious?

Yep, she then gets Sion to torture Atton. When you enter the Trayus Academy you originally had a choice. You could go to the Prison and free your companions, saving them, but having to face a very powerful Traya. Or you could go straight to Traya, but see your companions get butchered and Atton be tortured by Sion. But Traya is weaker.

Oh, and if you have more influence with the Disciple than Atton, then Atton gets corrupted and attacks the Disciple. If you had more influence with Handmaiden than Visas, the Handmaiden attacked her.

And we missed it?!

Damn. Stupid Lucasarts pushing up the game release date...

Yep. That's was comes of telling a production team that has three months left to produce the game to finish it in 30 days.

And you got Nihilus versus Sion.

Now I would PAY to see that, I really would (assuming it was real). Though to be fair, a fight between a guy who uses the force as life support and a guy who eats said force isn't exactly balanced.

It's real.

If it was Windu and Tyranous though, Traya will fall, as long as she doesn't use her instakill technique. Without it, Mace or Tyranous could defeat her alone, or at least give her a great fight.

Traya, she'd go all Vassili Zaitsev (sp?) and start sniping people with Force assistance.

Well the first fight is easily won by Kreia.

The second fight will be a lot harder, even when considering cut content she used the force on weak people. Far weaker then either Mace or Dooku. Who would both rock the worlds of those people quite well if you ask me.

Kreia would have to use some amazing force techniques right from the start in order to kill those guys. But I don't know if she could pull something like that off.. It would be damn hard for her or for the others thats for sure.

You can't determine whether or not those four were weak or not. I think Kreia would still win.

Well, they were not much more than padawans. In any case, I think Kreia's knowledge and power of Sith arts surpasses Mace and Dooku by far. Those two are more duellists than they are master Force users.

Yoda versus Kreia would be a better fight. One on one, I personally think Kreia can overcome Yoda. She has more Force power than Sidious did, and Sidious was able to contend with Yoda if for a short amount of time.

Yep, true.

kreia offed the remaining counsel if you elected to save them all in kotor 2. also in the end of the game when she fights with 3 lightsabers i think demonstrates how she would win the first fight discussed. the second with tyranus and mace...well i dont believe mace is meant to fight with anyone on his side so he would watch tyranus get chopped down and then poop himself and fall out a window

Man, Trayas is strong but she cannot beat those other 3 easily, she'd some problems. Especially if Anakin and Luke used their dark side

You know what was funny? Seeing Kreia getting her ass beat up by Sion.

Originally posted by Lord Mader
Man, Trayas is strong but she cannot beat those other 3 easily, she'd some problems. Especially if Anakin and Luke used their dark side

Oh, yes... Luke's darkside...

Swing left, swing right, swing left swing right... Kreia will just topple to this combination of pure crazy evil!

And don't forget Anakin "omfg I am wicked stupid in combat" Skywalker!

Kreia could cut them up with her three lightsabres.

Kreia isn't very good in pure saber combat, but Luke has almost no force defense at this point. Her force powers are a lot better than Dooku's, so Obi-wan is going down, as will Anakin a little while later. If they could keep her two occupied to use the force, they would win for sure though.

Omg, Luke doesn't swing left swing right. Thats just in the movie with bad crap acting. How do u think he beat vader? Vader wasnt weak he was still very strong.

I love it when Kreia gets her ass kicked! I hated Kreia ever since she got me stuck in a wall by some glitch after going a long time without saving.

P.S. Through other glitches in KOTOR2 I ended up with 2 Freedon Nadds Blasters, 3 Bindos bands, 2 circlets of Saresh, and 2 Freyyr's (sp?) warblades.

Originally posted by Lord Mader
Omg, Luke doesn't swing left swing right. Thats just in the movie with bad crap acting. How do u think he beat vader? Vader wasnt weak he was still very strong.

That had nothing to do with bad acting it had to do with Luke being an idiotic fighter. Kreia would stab him in a second...

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Kreia isn't very good in pure saber combat, but Luke has almost no force defense at this point. Her force powers are a lot better than Dooku's, so Obi-wan is going down, as will Anakin a little while later. If they could keep her two occupied to use the force, they would win for sure though.

Unfounded bullshit. Show me exactly where Kreia is poor in pure lightsaber combat.

Oh wait, you can't... cuz it's your opinion unsupported by fact.

Look, if you want to put up a debate using your experience playing the game, I'll use mine. She only has one hand and still killed me in the last fight.

You could have made Kreia a combat animal for all we know!

Well lightsaber fighting isn't really her strongest point in the game. She is weak with a lightsaber at the start of the game and her class does not focus on combat. She could still be good with a lightsaber but not great, this is made pretty clear by how the game portrays her from the start. Still not great with a lightsabe rdoesn't mean that much in that day and age.

Originally posted by Fishy
Well lightsaber fighting isn't really her strongest point in the game. She is weak with a lightsaber at the start of the game and her class does not focus on combat. She could still be good with a lightsaber but not great, this is made pretty clear by how the game portrays her from the start. Still not great with a lightsabe rdoesn't mean that much in that day and age.

At the start of the game?

Vibroblade, lighstaber, it's all good.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
At the start of the game?

Well...Sion did cut her hand off, didn't he ? If she was great with a lightsaber (or a vibroblade) she would have been able to protect herself against that attack.

Not that this point even matters here considering the fact that Kreia is able to kill or at least effectively knock out force users with her own force abilities meaning she can most likely defeat Anakin, Obi-Wan and Luke without using a weapon.

Originally posted by Lord Mader
Omg, Luke doesn't swing left swing right. Thats just in the movie with bad crap acting. How do u think he beat vader? Vader wasnt weak he was still very strong.

This is when we so desperately need D&D rules to settle this.

Until then, we have bad acting.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
At the start of the game?

At the start of Kotor II her lightsaber skills and her strength do not really make her a lightsaber fighter. Of course she was hiding most of her power most of the time, but I think its still safe to assume that she's not all that good with a lightsaber. Not bad, but I not good either, she seems to rely far more on the force and she absolutely excels in that.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
At the start of the game?

When she got her shit cut off by Sion. And she got beat up by him. Poor woman, always getting screwed over by Sion.

Strange though isn't it... That even though she got her hand cut off she managed to escape.. What kind of magic would she have used to get out of there... Even when in such pain... The power she would have used would have been great.

Originally posted by Fishy
Strange though isn't it... That even though she got her hand cut off she managed to escape.. What kind of magic would she have used to get out of there... Even when in such pain... The power she would have used would have been great.

Uh... Okay....


How about Sion left her to crawl her sorry pain filled ass out of the Ship.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Uh... Okay....


How about Sion left her to crawl her sorry pain filled ass out of the Ship.

Why?

I mean Sion says he hunted her, whats is his goal if not to kill her if not to capture her. Hunt her down until either one of them just dies because they can't go on anymore. Or hunt her down till she dies of old age. I never understood why Sion and Nihilus let her go but for some reason they did... Probably... But why hunt her down after that? Was the chase really that much fun, would it be worth the risk? I don't know I just think its strange that they let her live... And that he would have let her go away. Besides it doesn't seem like something Kreia would do... Crawl away.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Look, if you want to put up a debate using your experience playing the game, I'll use mine. She only has one hand and still killed me in the last fight.

You could have made Kreia a combat animal for all we know!

Really? I thought she was kind of a pushover. Of course so was everyone else in that game.