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how much different in what this brings to society Vs the Nazi twins?

Not much ; they are both provocative

nice spin-off btw

Well, no wait, both provoke consent with underage girls..
Both spread hateful and violant messages..
Have derogatory words such as n!gger..
Have no talent..

So nazis are gangster?

do you mean n1gger or nigga? becasue nigaa just means friend, buddy pal, dude, But only black people are allowed to use it.

Originally posted by Acherontia
do you mean n1gger or nigga? becasue nigaa just means friend, buddy pal, dude, But only black people are allowed to use it.
Okay sorry..

Ass-backward distorted codes of conduct that nobody really gets but themselves..

Hm. Somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here who actually listens to the music.

I dun know just food for thought I love me some rap but at the end of the day it is probably just as bad glorifying some shit ass life style and way to treat people

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Hm. Somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here who actually listens to the music.

shock you listen to Prussian Blue ??

Originally posted by GCG
shock you listen to Prussian Blue ?? Never heard of it.

Originally posted by soleran30
I dun know just food for thought I love me some rap but at the end of the day it is probably just as bad glorifying some shit ass life style and way to treat people I don't think it's the same thing as being a Nazi.. but it is deffinetely bad to take gangsta rappers too serious and think that being a criminal is cool just cause someone talks about commiting crime in a song. You don't go out and join the Mafia after watching Goodfellas do you?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Hm. Somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here who actually listens to the music.
SpellJammer likes Ludacris and Eminem but that's about it. And only when they're trying to be funny..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
SpellJammer likes Ludacris and Eminem but that's about it. And only when they're trying to be funny.. I thought we were talking about gangsta rap.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Never heard of it.

Sorry ; I misunderstood. You listen to Rap. I thought you refered to the Nazi Twins who call themselves Prussian Blue.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I don't think it's the same thing as being a Nazi.. but it is deffinetely bad to take gangsta rappers too serious and think that being a criminal is cool just cause someone talks about commiting crime in a song. You don't go out and join the Mafia after watching Goodfellas do you?


Nope however the influence they have compared to some rappers is minimal.........I am just saying that if we find teh Nazis twins behavior deplorable regardless of how it comes about then gangster rap should be just as bad.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I thought we were talking about gangsta rap.
Aren't they gangsta'?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Hm. Somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here who actually listens to the music.

Me too

SpellJammer is gangster..
*Raises da' roof*
Foshizzle..

Originally posted by soleran30
Nope however the influence they have compared to some rappers is minimal.........I am just saying that if we find teh Nazis twins behavior deplorable regardless of how it comes about then gangster rap should be just as bad. Why though? They're both a form of entertainment. Doesn't make sense why one would have more influence than another. I guess cause stupid people take lyrics too literally?

I'm unfamiliar with the Nazi Twin's behavior.. I'll go read that thread in a minute..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Aren't they gangsta'? No. Gangsta rap would be Big L.. Mobb Deep.. NWA.. that kinda shit. Most of the hip hop I like isn't gangsta rap but I do like a bit of gangsta rap too. Eminem and Ludacris are pop rappers.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Aren't they gangsta'?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Why though? They're both a form of entertainment. Doesn't make sense why one would have more influence than another. I guess cause stupid people take lyrics too literally?

I'm unfamiliar with the Nazi Twin's behavior.. I'll go read that thread in a minute..


You are absolutly correct it doesn't make sense why one has more influence then the other but it does.........Gangster rap (not eminem or luda) has had a significant influence and its as shitty ........anyway read away You gotta love the fact eminem and luda and NWA and Ice Tea and Cube have more influence over childeren then parents

You'd think that the Nazi crap would insight more violence, but no, not really.

When is the last time you saw a Nazi/KKK jerkass do anything? They need to get their shit together if they ever want any street cred, because to me, they're nothing more than a debate group.

Originally posted by long pig
When is the last time you saw a Nazi/KKK jerkass do anything? They need to get their shit together if they ever want any street cred, because to me, they're nothing more than a debate group.
Because Americans are pussies. The skin-heads in England are alot more "real". Foshizzle..

Well I read the article and I don't really see how talking about crime and immorality = preaching for a master race. Maybe it's just me but I see one as a bit more extreme than the other.. maybe cause of the fact that gangsta rappers don't have the attitude that they are somehow saving the world with this message.

I think the genre's lyrics are usually just supposed to be more reality based.. as in talking about the more ****ed up things that goes on in the streets.. seeing that hip hop started out as party music talking about "throw your hands in the air like you just don't care.." it's sorta the new generation's way of distinguishing itself from the previous generation. But by now instead of being reality based most of these gangster-like pop rappers like 50 go and exaggerate reality until it no longer resembles the reality they are supposedly preaching. That's why I don't consider that stuff real gangsta rap.

Either way I agree some gangsta rappers are wrong in the things they say.. but Nazi music is just on another level. Although I think their music is their music and that people shouldn't mess with it, same as gangsta rap. I don't like bands like Skrewdriver but they have a right to write about whatever they want.. can't blame the band if idiots take their words to heart and do something based on one of their songs.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Because Americans are pussies. The skin-heads in England are alot more "real". Foshizzle..
Probably.

It's pretty obvious that hip hop has a much worse effect on the public than any Nazi group.

I don't know if it's because people see Nazis as fools or the average hip hop listener is easily mind controlled.

Originally posted by long pig

I don't know if it's because people see Nazis as fools or the average hip hop listener is easily mind controlled.
The latter, because most people that listen to hip-hop are teenagers who have upper middle class parents and have to find some way to rebel. And sense they're upper middle-class, they are most likely liberals. And liberals, are monkies..

Well we all knew it would lead to liberals somehow..

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Well we all knew it would lead to liberals somehow..
Deano has his illumannati..
SpellJammer has his liberals..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Deano has his illumannati..
SpellJammer has his liberals..


Yeah who knows but it is very pronounced

I don't really like rap. It's not appealing to my musical tastes.

Polystyrene

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
do you mean n1gger or nigga? becasue nigaa just means friend, buddy pal, dude, But only black people are allowed to use it.

Why do you think so? When I was in the US, I heard when some white guys called their black friends "nigga" and they didn't get offended.

Originally posted by olchik
Why do you think so? When I was in the US, I heard when some white guys called their black friends "nigga" and they didn't get offended.

Some white people look latino

there's a few gangster rap that i tolerate, such as NWA, Ice- T and a few other legends from the past (early 90's)

i mostly listen to jazz/hip hop.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Polystyrene


How 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' of you....

You really cant compare gangsta rap and nazis together. The nazis message wasnt positive, and neither is rap, but in the end, rap or just gangsta rap can tell a positive story.

I mean, rap music comes in different forms, but rap is rap, some is good and some is bad, everybody in the rap game or was in the rap game aint a gangsta.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Some white people look latino

They were not latino, they were blond people with blue eyes.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Hm. Somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here who actually listens to the music.

you're not. this thread makes some ridiculous parallels.

Originally posted by olchik
They were not latino, they were blond people with blue eyes.

Rich kids?

i love gangsta rad, but i never taken their lyrics so seriuos. more rappers have come from nothing abd made somthing out of their lifes. and i respect that. they came from the gutter, and im not rich so when they talk about how hard their life was i can relate to them.

I wonder when, and if, the gangster rap genre will be regulated to the dust heap of musical history. In my opinion it won't be soon enough, but eh, I just don't like it because it because, when compared to most other forms of musical expression, it sounds awful.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Okay sorry..

Ass-backward distorted codes of conduct that nobody really gets but themselves..
Heyyyyy, it's bass-ackwards! Get it right! Oh, I guess you can't, seeing how you're banned and all.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I wonder when, and if, the gangster rap genre will be regulated to the dust heap of musical history. In my opinion it won't be soon enough, but eh, I just don't like it because it because, when compared to most other forms of musical expression, it sounds awful.

I feel the same way.....please let it die....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


rip......eat

"Gangster Rap"

Since when did mobsters have music to live by? Unless you're talking about that sweet, big band sound Capone and his men used as motivation when carrying out their hits, of course.

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/c/clash/tommy-gun/ ?

Whatever that is, I'll take your word for it . I can't check that site at work.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I wonder when, and if, the gangster rap genre will be regulated to the dust heap of musical history. In my opinion it won't be soon enough, but eh, I just don't like it because it because, when compared to most other forms of musical expression, it sounds awful.

"Ignorance"

Well, it's just his opinion. I'm assuming that he's heard it before, so that would mean it was in fact not ignorance but simply dissatisfaction with the music.

If he hasn't heard any gangsta rap, then your point is valid.

I assume he hasn't heard it before

A late reply, but a reply non the less! I usually don't dismiss something I don't know about, and that hasn't changed here. I've heard it (who hasn't) and in my opinion, that as a musical genre, it isn't great. Granted, the supporters of it might have something when they say it offers social commentary and the like, but still to me, as music, it's one of the types I like the least - if I wanted to be pretentious I would go on about subject matter, the way it's handled, the murdering of the English language, the poor composistion of the music and so forth...

Perhaps what I am saying is that I wouldn't mind it as much if it actually sounded good, and if the rappers, I don't know, at least showed some skill (though people would probably say that they are amazingly talented, that the topics deep and I just don't understand)...

Still, to the dust heap of history I say! Few musical pieces really survive the test of time, and somehow I don't think any form of rap is going to be amongst them.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
A late reply, but a reply non the less! I usually don't dismiss something I don't know about, and that hasn't changed here. I've heard it (who hasn't) and in my opinion, that as a musical genre, it isn't great. Granted, the supporters of it might have something when they say it offers social commentary and the like, but still to me, as music, it's one of the types I like the least - if I wanted to be pretentious I would go on about subject matter, the way it's handled, the murdering of the English language, the poor composistion of the music and so forth...

Perhaps what I am saying is that I wouldn't mind it as much if it actually sounded good, and if the rappers, I don't know, at least showed some skill (though people would probably say that they are amazingly talented, that the topics deep and I just don't understand)...

Still, to the dust heap of history I say! Few musical pieces really survive the test of time, and somehow I don't think any form of rap is going to be amongst them.

Which rappers have you heard?

Its pretty obvious that for the most part the gangsta rappers being discussed are mainstream pop rappers and i would very much like to see them rot as well.
However hip hop is my preferred genre of music and there are alot of very talented emcees out there that you would never here about on MTV. Rather than go on about the talented emcees out there here are some lyrics that are way beyond what the mainstream spews out for MTV. The first is by Immortal Technique and its a story about his younger days as a gang member, its pretty graphic but the message is at the end as he explains that his past always haunts him. The second is by my favourite emcee named Illogic and its about self loathing and questioning his existence (this is mainly for those who believe that emcees have no talent).

Immortal Technique - Dance with the devil

I once knew a nigga whose real name was William
his primary concern, was making a million
being the illest hustler, that the world ever seen
he used to f**k moviestars and sniff coke in his dreams
a corrupted young mind, at the age of thirteen
nigga never had a father and his mom was a feen
she put the pipe down, but forever yeah she was sober
her sons heart simultaneously grew colder
he started hanging out selling bags in the projects
checking the young chicks, looking for hit and run prospects
he was fascinated by material objects
but he understood money never bought respect
he build a reputation cuz he could hustle and steal
but got locked once it didn't hessitate to squeal
so criminals he chilled with didn't think he was real
you see me and niggaz like this have never been equal
I dont project my insurecurity's at other people
he feeded for props like addicts with pipes and needles
so he felt he had to proof to everyone he was evil
a fever minded young man with infinite potetial
the product of a ghetto ... capatalistic mental
coincidentally dropped out of school to sell weed
dancing with the devil, smoked until his eyes would bleed
but he was sick of selling trees and gave in to his greed


Everyone trying to be trife never face the consequences
you propably only did a month for minor offences
ask a nigga doing life if he had another chance
but then again there's always the wicked at new and advanced
dance forever with the devil on a code cell block
but thats what happens when you rape, murder and sell rock
devils used to be gods, angels that fell from the top
there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot


So Billy started robbing niggaz, anything he could do
he'd get his respect back, in the eyes of his crew
starting fights over little shit, up on the block
stepped up to selling mothers and brothers the crack rock
working overtime for making money for the crack spot
hit the jackpot and wanted to move up to cocaine
for filling the scarface fantasy stuck in his brain
tired of the block niggaz treating him the same
he wanted to be major like the cut throats and the thugs
but when he tried to step to 'em, niggaz showed him no love
they told him any motherf**king coward can sell drugs
any ***** nigga with a gun, can bust slugs
any nigga with a red shirt can front like a blood
even Puffy smoked the motherf**ker up in a club
but only a real thug can stab someone till they die
standing in front of them, starring straight into their eyes
Billy realized that these men were well guarded
and they wanted to test him, before business started
suggested raping a ***** to proof he was cold hearted
so now he had a choice between going back to his life
or making money with made men, up in the cife
his dreams about cars and ice, made him agree
a hardcore nigga is all he ever wanted to be
and so he met them friday night at a quarter to three




They drove around the projects slow while it was raining
smoking blunts, drinking and joking for entertainment
untill they saw a woman on the street walking alone
three in the morning, coming back from work, on her way home
and so they quietly got out the car and followed her
walking through the projects, the darkness swallowed her
they wrapped her shirt around her head and knocked her onto the
floor
this is it kid now you got your chance to be raw
so Billy oaked her up and grapped the chick by the hair
and dragged her into a lobby that had nobody there
she struggled hard but they forced her to go up the stairs
they got to the roof and then held her down on the ground
screaming shut the f**k up and stop moving around
the shirt covered her face, but she screamed the clouts
so Billy stomped on the *****, until he broken her jaw
the dirty bastards knew exactly what they were doing
they kicked her until they cracked her ribs and she stopped
moving
blood leaking through the corpse, she cried silently
and then they all proceeded to rape her violently
Billy was meant to go first, but he ????? turn
ripping her up, and choking her until her throat burned
a broken jaw mumbled for god but they weren't concerned
when they were done and she was lying bloody, broken and broos
one of them niggaz pulled out a brand new twenty-two
they told him that she was a witness of what she'd gone through
and if he killed her he was guaranteed a spot in the crew
he thought about it for a minute, she was practicly dead
and so he leaned over and put the gun right to her head


Right before he pulled the trigger, and ended her life
he thought about the cold pain with the platinum and ice
and he felt strong standing along with his new brothers
cocked the gat to her head, and pulled back the shirt cover
but what he saw made him start the cringine studder
cuz he was starring into the eyes of his own mother
she looked back at him and cried, cuz he had forsaken her
she cried more painfully, than when they were raping her
his whole world stopped, he couldn't even contiplate
his corruption had succesfully changed his fate
and he remembered how his mom used to come home late
working hard for nothing, cuz now what was he worth
he turned away from the woman that had once given him birth
and crying out to the sky cuz he was lonely and scared
but only the devil responded, cuz god wasn't there
and right then he knew what it was to be empty and cold
and so he jumped off the roof and died with no soul
they say death take you to a better place but I doubt it
after that they killed his mother, and never spoke about it
and listen cuz the story that I'm telling is true
cuz I was there with Billy Jacobs and I raped his mom to
and now the devil follows me everywhere that I go
infact I'm sure he's standing among one of you at my shows
and every street cypher listening to little thugs flowe
he could be standing right next to you, and you wouldn't know
the devil grows inside the hearts of the selvish and wicked
white, brown, yellow and black colored is not restricted
you have a self destructive destiny when your inflicted
and you'll be one of gods children and fell from the top
there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot
so when the devil wants to dance with you, you better say never
because the dance with the devil might last you forever

cont.....

Illogic - Hate in puddle
I hate when it rains, cause in puddles I encounter this guy
Unable to give a rebuttal but swift as the pain flood his eyes
wonderin why he's a gift with no purpose
A priceless one-of-a-kind piece that's worthless
Grounded with no surface
And when he shows one, it's of sod
Cause inside he fights feelings that he was mistake by God
I see his confusion and self-deception
Questions of relevance and intelligence
He holds an illusion of self-acceptance
that he shows to those outside lookin in
He's outside lookin in to his own life; lookin for strength
to carry on as a pawn in this chess game of existance
In his mind he wants to go on to the dawn
and leave the stress that came with existance
Hopin in death he'll find life
Cause as he lives, he roams the dark, tryin to find light
He's made his heart so hard, he doesn't even cry anymore
Cause he's confronted sorrow frequently
His heart's been broken frequently
It's like he's lost some part of him and just haven't found it
yet
So in his search, he's left with nothin but questions and regret
All he wants to know is how one day, he's content
and the next day he's cryin
cause his life isn't what he thought life meant
He just wants to be happy, with his love and all
But too often I get messages through telepathic calls
He's askin me through a puddle what more must he endure to
continue
But for some reason he knows he most endure to continue


When I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
And you wonder why I hate him so much?
Now when I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life, and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
Damn, I wonder why I hate him so much

Why did I hate him so much? I wondered, pondered on the
question
What in my mind caused me to despise my reflection?
I didn't know I just knew when I saw him, how I felt
and hated the fact that he had to play with the cards that he
was dealt
He's come in contact with some ill things that can't be
explained
Life's extracted his energy to where the pain can't be contained
So to me he comes, sheddin tears like skin
Intimate with some, only the ones he calls friends
If he even exists, he only exists in pain
It's like his life is a myth
and he's been blessed with the gift of shame, I mean
From birth to love he's been betrayed
He's an unknown in how to cope with that pain and dissapointment
he's come to know as he's grown
He feels he stands alone in this world of puddle images
And he awaits the time for when, time finishes
He tries to elevate thought, but he's still chillin in the
basement
Awaitin a rebirth of his soul as it fears it's spiritual
placement



God I pray you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for but I've found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin at this puddle
God I pray that you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God please give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for - thought I found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin in this puddle

If you can write hip hop off as a talentless waste of space after reading these lyrics, fine. But if its only based on what you've seen on TV and such, then as with any genre of music you need to look deeper to find the best.

Come on, who cares if "gangstas" rap? They can't even come up with their own image. They're all trying to be scarface and the Godfather, all the while talking about killing whitey. But, they all have posters of Al Pacino on their game room walls. They're really just trying to be white....while holding on to some aspect of black, tribal culture.

I don't mind.

Nigga please, pass the biznitch and put it on its knees

I gots like 32 cars and gots knows where to park it nigga

Biznitches be all up on my junk, but I still gotsta kill a punk

I gots shot in da chest dat whys a wears a bullets poof vest, but I stills gets shot in da mouf like 42 times buts I's still be lookin for dat d!ck

I'ms gangsta, I'ms gangsta, ..

Real Gangsta Rap died in the mid 90's. Now Days you Just have people Like 50 cent who mostly Just Rap about Bitches and Hoes. NWA is where its at.

Originally posted by Grim Reefer
Real Gangsta Rap died in the mid 90's. Now Days you Just have people Like 50 cent who mostly Just Rap about Bitches and Hoes. NWA is where its at.

co-sign.

Originally posted by koolruningz
Illogic - Hate in puddle
I hate when it rains, cause in puddles I encounter this guy
Unable to give a rebuttal but swift as the pain flood his eyes
wonderin why he's a gift with no purpose
A priceless one-of-a-kind piece that's worthless
Grounded with no surface
And when he shows one, it's of sod
Cause inside he fights feelings that he was mistake by God
I see his confusion and self-deception
Questions of relevance and intelligence
He holds an illusion of self-acceptance
that he shows to those outside lookin in
He's outside lookin in to his own life; lookin for strength
to carry on as a pawn in this chess game of existance
In his mind he wants to go on to the dawn
and leave the stress that came with existance
Hopin in death he'll find life
Cause as he lives, he roams the dark, tryin to find light
He's made his heart so hard, he doesn't even cry anymore
Cause he's confronted sorrow frequently
His heart's been broken frequently
It's like he's lost some part of him and just haven't found it
yet
So in his search, he's left with nothin but questions and regret
All he wants to know is how one day, he's content
and the next day he's cryin
cause his life isn't what he thought life meant
He just wants to be happy, with his love and all
But too often I get messages through telepathic calls
He's askin me through a puddle what more must he endure to
continue
But for some reason he knows he most endure to continue


When I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
And you wonder why I hate him so much?
Now when I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life, and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
Damn, I wonder why I hate him so much

Why did I hate him so much? I wondered, pondered on the
question
What in my mind caused me to despise my reflection?
I didn't know I just knew when I saw him, how I felt
and hated the fact that he had to play with the cards that he
was dealt
He's come in contact with some ill things that can't be
explained
Life's extracted his energy to where the pain can't be contained
So to me he comes, sheddin tears like skin
Intimate with some, only the ones he calls friends
If he even exists, he only exists in pain
It's like his life is a myth
and he's been blessed with the gift of shame, I mean
From birth to love he's been betrayed
He's an unknown in how to cope with that pain and dissapointment
he's come to know as he's grown
He feels he stands alone in this world of puddle images
And he awaits the time for when, time finishes
He tries to elevate thought, but he's still chillin in the
basement
Awaitin a rebirth of his soul as it fears it's spiritual
placement



God I pray you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for but I've found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin at this puddle
God I pray that you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God please give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for - thought I found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin in this puddle

If you can write hip hop off as a talentless waste of space after reading these lyrics, fine. But if its only based on what you've seen on TV and such, then as with any genre of music you need to look deeper to find the best.

Illogic is a poetic mc. genius

Rap is crap, Basta!!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Come on, who cares if "gangstas" rap? They can't even come up with their own image. They're all trying to be scarface and the Godfather, all the while talking about killing whitey. But, they all have posters of Al Pacino on their game room walls. They're really just trying to be white....while holding on to some aspect of black, tribal culture.

I don't mind.

Is there an echo in here?

Well.. all really big forms of music seem to be despised by the generation that came before them.. just like rock was and just like jazz was before that.. so i guess all these people who dismiss rap as "just noise" are just following the trend that we've seen in all popular musical genres. I pretty much expect rap to recieve it's fair share of criticism until it is no longer the top musical genre in America.. it'd actually be sorta weird if it didn't.

Gangster rap? Mafia rap?


Dont yall mean Gangsta rap

Originally posted by koolruningz
Is there an echo in here?


Wow, you're right. I wonder what the hell I was thinking? Clearly, I was not.

touchee, or however you spell it.... but rappers don't get violent... oh wait, nevermind....

I think Gangsta Rappers are Pathetic!