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Didn't know what exactly to call this topic, nor did SpellJammer want to immideatly blame liberals for the soon demise of our America-way of life.. You see, it's not DIRECTLY thier fault, they are the flame caused by an oil spill of immorality. Our princaples gradualy decrease with time do to one thing we never bother to notice growing better, and stronger with each passing day. Many religons renounce it, we even write books about it, but no-one stops to think "stop".

Technology.

In no time throughout history has man ever questioned the constitution as much as now. SpellJammer sees an old man trying to intterput it on C-SPAN. And do you know why our forefathers never went into every little detail about stupid things like abortion and such? Because they had neither the time nor the technology to worry about it. The more "advanced" we become, the less human we turnout. And you have to ask yourselves, why do we keep digging ourselves deeper in our graves?

Liberals will tell you it's for the betterment of mankind, but SpellJammer doesn't see things getting any better. We question ourselves more, we're more depressed, overwoked, underpaid, mistreated, unsastisfied, how is THIS advancement??? Liberals try and convince you "we can't stop now", who says? Who made that rule? Why can't we just be happy with what we got, work with it, and learn to imrpove ourselves on the inside with more emphasis on recycling, farming, meditating, and finding other means to make our lives easier and more fufilling? We don't need "advancement" to make our lives better, we need "serenity". And serenity comes with being able to relax and just collect your thoughts. And how can anybody do that, when they're stuck in the middle of traffic, having to turn off thier cellphone, worrying about if thier 14 year old daughter is tripping on extasy, all whilest being reminded about every little thing that bothers them all around thier terrain? You can't go one second wether it be on the net, television, the newspapers, or even your fellowman, without being reminded of society's problems. "This is all Bush'es fault", "This is because we didn't" NO! It's because you, SpellJammer, and everybody else on the ****ing planet just would not, for one damn minute say "stop". So SpellJammer is going to be the first, and maybe the last.

Stop.

its quite obvious what is destroying america. it doesnt have to happen but the globalists need it to happen, and it there fault it is happening

America will self destruct - all big empires do - then another one will rise and fall, and then another one will.

America will not distruct in our lifetime - but eventually will.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
And do you know why our forefathers never went into every little detail about stupid things like abortion and such? Because they had neither the time nor the technology to worry about it.

I'm sure the push-down-the-stairs technique has been around longer than the constitution.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
America will self destruct - all big empires do - then another one will rise and fall, and then another one will.

America will not distruct in our lifetime - but eventually will.

agreed. great civilizations cannot be destroyed from the outside until they have destroyed themselves from the inside

Um, the constitution has been heavily questioned ALL through-out our history. That's why we have amendments to the constitution.

And sure, they didn't consider topics like abortion. But, they knew very well that they DIDN'T know everything. That's why the constitution is a living document. Always changing, always growing, and always maturing.

And, in my opinion, it is totally possible that the US will fall off it's pedestal...or be knocked off, or jump off....within our lifetime

while America is being used now as the vehicle to impose this current stage of the fascist agenda it is not meant to continue as the superpower.

In fact, destroying that status and breaking the spirit of America is fundamental in the installation of the dictatorship.

The reason is this: a world government (dictatorship) and a superpower do not go together. The Illuminati dictatorship is meant to be the only superpower and for that to happen the United States must be brought into line.

The greatest block to the world government is national identity and whether we may not agree with America's sense of itself there is no question that it has a deep rooted, almost genetic, sense of indentity and national pride. While that continues there is no way the nation will allow itself to be openly dictated to and controlled by a world central government.

Americans and their country are being used to advance the agenda now, but the plan is, not least through a manipulated conflict with China, to destroy the might of both these 'superpowers' so they come under the authority of the Illuminati world government that would be installed to 'clear up the mess' left by the consequences of the conflicts and conquests now underway.

In other words: Problem-Reaction-Solution.

The plan is to use America and in doing so to break America, economically, politically and militarily. Most importantly it wants to break the American spirit and its sense of identity and self.

So the exposure of the US torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners serves the Illuminati in many ways, two in particular:

(a) It further stimulates outrage in the Arab world about the United States and, as I wrote years ago, the plan is to engineer a Muslim 'Holy War' against the US to 'justify' the use of their fire power to set the Middle East ablaze and take over the region.

(b) It eats away at America's, albiet false, sense of idenity as the John Wayne good guys who sacrifice themselves for freedom and justice across the world. Americans torture people? That can't be right, it's those evil foreigners that do that, isn't it? The 'revelation' that the United States 'support our troops with pride' military could commit such abominations is a massive blow to America's self confidence and sense of national idenity - exactly as planned.

Nothing is what it seems and while we may appear to be seeing the expansion and grotesque expression of American might and power we are actually watching that power and sense of nationhood being systematically destroyed

http://www.rense.com/general68/martt1.htm
you can cry and insult or you want, but its coming and only ignorant fools would say otherwise.

"The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about"

I actually thought those toture pictures made us look soft and weak..

The best we can do to our prisoners it puts bags over thier head naked and have dogs bark at them?! What the hell?! That sounds more like a bad porno video then "toture"..

What happend to the bad-asses that would make them drink oil "does it look like we want this?!" or smash thier toes with a hammer?!

I never expected my country to be squeaky clean and void of reality. I expect it to be courageous, honost, and deal with it's responsibilities accordingly..

LOL's @ people saying America will self destruct.

Originally posted by KidRock
LOL's @ people saying America will self destruct.

Well that is ost likely to occur though....or are you saying the US will be the dominant power till the end of time? Now it either self-destructs or it will be destroyed....

Originally posted by KidRock
LOL's @ people saying America will self destruct. It's possible actually. Look at the Roman Empire... we're no different.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well that is ost likely to occur though....or are you saying the US will be the dominant power till the end of time? Now it either self-destructs or it will be destroyed....

No it wont be the dominate power..but it wont self-destruct. There is a big difference between the US and the Roman empire. Communication technology, economies, ethics of people. To believe the US will collapse like the Roman Empire did just shows your ignorant.

Originally posted by KidRock
No it wont be the dominate power..but it wont self-destruct. There is a big difference between the US and the Roman empire. Communication technology, economies, ethics of people. To believe the US will collapse like the Roman Empire did just shows your ignorant.

Well it will still exist a collapse like the Roman Empire is rather improbable (since they were invaded and all) but it will eventually lose it'S power....probably similar to Europe in the early 20th Century....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well it will still exist a collapse like the Roman Empire is rather improbable (since they were invaded and all) but it will eventually lose it'S power....probably similar to Europe in the early 20th Century....

I doubt it.

Originally posted by KidRock
I doubt it.

What's yopur guess then?

USA is far to powa we shall see the decline of all world powers before we lose an inch of influence..........all empires and dynasties and power countries decline.......I just couldn't give a timeline for the current one

Originally posted by KidRock
No it wont be the dominate power..but it wont self-destruct. There is a big difference between the US and the Roman empire. Communication technology, economies, ethics of people. To believe the US will collapse like the Roman Empire did just shows your ignorant.

ignorant?

oh the irony

Originally posted by soleran30
USA is far to powa we shall see the decline of all world powers before we lose an inch of influence..........all empires and dynasties and power countries decline.......I just couldn't give a timeline for the current one
Err...what...I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say?

Originally posted by Deano
ignorant?

oh the irony

Deano no one even listens to you anymore. You're like the crazy reverand on the street yelling "THE END IS YEAR..THE DEVIL ISA COMIN!"..people just walk by and laugh at you.

Anyway.. I believe there wont be anymore superpowers after the US.

Originally posted by KidRock
Deano no one even listens to you anymore. You're like the crazy reverand on the street yelling "THE END IS YEAR..THE DEVIL ISA COMIN!"..people just walk by and laugh at you.

Anyway.. I believe there wont be anymore superpowers after the US.
Why that? What do you believe will follow?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Err...what...I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say?


I was just poking fun........of course the USA will fall sometime but no one can really guess when

Kidrock is pretty on the button about world powers......all you get at the end of the day is a headache alot of requests for help and bashing....

Originally posted by soleran30
I was just poking fun........of course the USA will fall sometime but no one can really guess when

Kidrock is pretty on the button about world powers......all you get at the end of the day is a headache alot of requests for help and bashing....

Yes...well but what exactly were you saying?

Well World Powers are not equal to World Police.....you know you were quite right to some extend to the onroe doctrine.....not that bad an idea as everyone akes it to be....

Originally posted by KidRock
Deano no one even listens to you anymore. You're like the crazy reverand on the street yelling "THE END IS YEAR..THE DEVIL ISA COMIN!"..people just walk by and laugh at you.

Anyway.. I believe there wont be anymore superpowers after the US.

most people do listen actually, its always gonan be hard to get people to listen when60%% of the forum board are stupid and arrogant, or in your case both.
tell me who actually takes you seriously in here?
your a patriotic fool who has the conviction that your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it

Originally posted by Deano
your a patriotic fool who has the conviction that your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it

Hmm...I read something like that before.. .....Shaw...right?

Originally posted by KidRock
You're like the crazy reverand on the street yelling "THE END IS YEAR..THE DEVIL ISA COMIN!"..people just walk by and laugh at you


Or they vote your party into power because a 51% majority are too ignorant to think for themselves.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Or they vote your party into power because a 51% majority are too ignorant to think for themselves.



statistically that is highly improbable lol

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm...I read something like that before.. .....Shaw...right?

dunno, i heard it ages ago somewhere on the net

Originally posted by soleran30
that is highly improbable lol

You'd think so, but it just happened...didn't it.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You'd think so, but it just happened...didn't it.
Actually it was more like 60% and what are you saying? Republicans are all sheep and only democrats think for themself? The same can be said in reverse.

Let's face it, the democrats didn't know how to work as a unit. Hense why they didn't win..

Originally posted by Deano
most people do listen actually, its always gonan be hard to get people to listen when60%% of the forum board are stupid and arrogant, or in your case both.
tell me who actually takes you seriously in here?
your a patriotic fool who has the conviction that your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it

Oh the irony.

Originally posted by KidRock
Oh the irony.

explain please..
your just so blinded by patriotism that you can't face reality

Originally posted by Doomsayer
Actually it was more like 60% and what are you saying? Republicans are all sheep and only democrats think for themself? The same can be said in reverse.

Let's face it, the democrats didn't know how to work as a unit. Hense why they didn't win..

Nope, I'm not talking about Republicans...I'm talking about Jesus Freaks. If I was an open-minded, free thinking republican, I would be sooo pissed that my party had been hijacked by the christian-right zealots.

And you're right...the Democrats lost because they couldn't get their shit together. The last election had the highest voter turn out in many years.

And Bush had 51%, Kerry had 48% and Nader recieved 1% of the vote. Hence, my use of the 51% majority.

Keep in mind I am neither a democrat, or a republican.

Originally posted by Deano
explain please..
your just so blinded by patriotism that you can't face reality

Deano lol I cant even deal with you anymore you're just to stupid it makes me laugh that you even know how to use the internet.

i am neither right or left wing, im into freedom, proper freedom. our freedoms are being eradicated by each passing day, and people sit back and let it happen

Originally posted by KidRock
Deano lol I cant even deal with you anymore you're just to stupid it makes me laugh that you even know how to use the internet.

it makes me laugh to think that you havent been shot yet

Originally posted by Deano
it makes me laugh to think that you havent been shot yet
Why does it make you laugh? It makes logical sense KidRock hasn't been shot yet. KidRock's 100% redneck. He does the shooting.

Originally posted by Doomsayer
Why does it make you laugh? It makes logical sense KidRock hasn't been shot yet. KidRock's 100% redneck. He does the shooting.

See this guy knows!

Originally posted by Snoopbert
It's possible actually. Look at the Roman Empire... we're no different.

I'll do him one better... take at ANY empire that has existed in this world and look at the results. They aren't pretty.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You'd think so, but it just happened...didn't it.

OK you abused my comment .........the major piece here is statistics because they are such an abusive manipulation of numbers and questioning.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Didn't know what exactly to call this topic, nor did SpellJammer want to immideatly blame liberals for the soon demise of our America-way of life..
That is a blatant lie.

Originally posted by soleran30
OK you abused my comment .........the major piece here is statistics because they are such an abusive manipulation of numbers and questioning.


I abused your comment? How about you were just ****ing wrong? No, you can't admit to that...can you? There is no abuse of numbers...they are fact. Look them up...

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I abused your comment? How about you were just ****ing wrong? No, you can't admit to that...can you? There is no abuse of numbers...they are fact. Look them up...



You seem to be an angry man ... you didn't disprove me just aggravate me......congrats oh and I had to add your a moron with your numbers

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/


I'm not angry...I'm right


Or do you not understand that the republican party has been hijacked by the christian conservative right?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/


I'm not angry...I'm right


Or do you not understand that the republican party has been hijacked by the christian conservative right?
Yay, me.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yay, me.

You seem to be mote the conservative modest right....

Originally posted by Bardock42
You seem to be mote the conservative modest right....
Which is how the so-called "religious right" should be.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Which is how the so-called "religious right" should be.

Well I guess...I meant Religious modest Right by the way

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/


I'm not angry...I'm right


Or do you not understand that the republican party has been hijacked by the christian conservative right?


yes numbers should be a great equalizer but they aren't because no one is truely impartial and someone is always making a "point with them" sorry I shouldn't have attack you like that .... I just disagree with how numbers are collected......people try to use objective pieces like numbers and justify when its a subjective point they are trying to prove.

Originally posted by soleran30
yes numbers should be a great equalizer but they aren't because no one is truely impartial and someone is always making a "point with them" sorry I shouldn't have attack you like that .... I just disagree with how numbers are collected......people try to use objective pieces like numbers and justify when its a subjective point they are trying to prove.

Now that Numbers can be interpreted diferent is another thing, but you said 60% while it only were 51%.....that's not interpreting but misstating....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Now that Numbers can be interpreted diferent is another thing, but you said 60% while it only were 51%.....that's not interpreting but misstating....


I never used numbers in my discussion.........

Sorry you are right...mixed you up....forgive me?

Pshhhaw of course! You post to much and far to analytical to get hateraid........that wouldn't be logical with you

Originally posted by Deano
while America is being used now as the vehicle to impose this current stage of the fascist agenda it is not meant to continue as the superpower.

In fact, destroying that status and breaking the spirit of America is fundamental in the installation of the dictatorship.

The reason is this: a world government (dictatorship) and a superpower do not go together. The Illuminati dictatorship is meant to be the only superpower and for that to happen the United States must be brought into line.

The greatest block to the world government is national identity and whether we may not agree with America's sense of itself there is no question that it has a deep rooted, almost genetic, sense of indentity and national pride. While that continues there is no way the nation will allow itself to be openly dictated to and controlled by a world central government.

Americans and their country are being used to advance the agenda now, but the plan is, not least through a manipulated conflict with China, to destroy the might of both these 'superpowers' so they come under the authority of the Illuminati world government that would be installed to 'clear up the mess' left by the consequences of the conflicts and conquests now underway.

In other words: Problem-Reaction-Solution.

The plan is to use America and in doing so to break America, economically, politically and militarily. Most importantly it wants to break the American spirit and its sense of identity and self.

So the exposure of the US torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners serves the Illuminati in many ways, two in particular:

(a) It further stimulates outrage in the Arab world about the United States and, as I wrote years ago, the plan is to engineer a Muslim 'Holy War' against the US to 'justify' the use of their fire power to set the Middle East ablaze and take over the region.

(b) It eats away at America's, albiet false, sense of idenity as the John Wayne good guys who sacrifice themselves for freedom and justice across the world. Americans torture people? That can't be right, it's those evil foreigners that do that, isn't it? The 'revelation' that the United States 'support our troops with pride' military could commit such abominations is a massive blow to America's self confidence and sense of national idenity - exactly as planned.

Nothing is what it seems and while we may appear to be seeing the expansion and grotesque expression of American might and power we are actually watching that power and sense of nationhood being systematically destroyed

Deano when will you stopo coming out with this blatent bullshit. The illuminati were some stupid group who dont exist anymore. Just because your jealous of America doesnt mean you have to be so prejudiced.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I guess...I meant Religious modest Right by the way
I understand what you meant .

Originally posted by Imagawa666
Deano when will you stopo coming out with this blatent bullshit. The illuminati were some stupid group who dont exist anymore. Just because your jealous of America doesnt mean you have to be so prejudiced.

jealous? yeh im jealous that fellow human beings across america and the world are planning to enslave us all. dont be a ****ing dickhead. you better believe what im sayin, because if you went so blind then you would see whats happening, you are not dumb are you? i dont think you are. stop acting like a child. how many more staged terrorist attacks you gonna fall for before u wake up?

Originally posted by Deano
jealous? yeh im jealous that fellow human beings across america and the world are planning to enslave us all. dont be a ****ing dickhead. you better believe what im sayin, because if you went so blind then you would see whats happening, you are not dumb are you? i dont think you are. stop acting like a child. how many more staged terrorist attacks you gonna fall for before u wake up?
Originally posted by Imagawa666
Deano when will you stopo coming out with this blatent bullshit. The illuminati were some stupid group who dont exist anymore. Just because your jealous of America doesnt mean you have to be so prejudiced.
You're both retarded.

There.

Seems to me both viewpoints are a bit blinkered.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You're both retarded.

There.

oh you hurt me real bad!!
time to grow up buddy

Why has everyone got hell bent on the idea of Bush orcastrting 9/11? Whats he gained? The war in Iraq which while i was for getting rid of Saddam has only brought controversy. And Bin Laden has admitted he planned the attacks.

You know i dont care how many peopel in Iraq bush killed. I dont care how many inncoent Iraqis he killed. Your the puppet of a demeted side of the internet communitty. Its peole like you who try to trigger of rebellions and civil unrest. Whats the big deal about bush invading iraq? Hey Deano? Are you afraid of him? Compared to what Stalin did and what i would do Bush is relativly tame. You suggest Bush would murder 3000 americans? Your mad. The illuminati and all that crap is rubbish, made up by people who have nothing better to do. Your proof is all rubbish on the net that cant even be proven to be real.

what did i just say about bush? maybe you should READ the post. it doesnt matter if it is the illuminati or not. thew point is a group from behind the scenes are pulling the strings and will continue to pull the strings until the global fascist state is here. open your heart, tell me thats too hard to believe.
you dont care how many people he killed in iraq? how low can you be. many people over there was innocent. you are brainwashed dont u see?

here are some quotes from many politicans..some famous

The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviet (Illuminati) Union.

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans.
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (who was very close to the Rothschilds), 1876

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950


We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs, the House Magazine of the Council on Foreign Relations (July/August 1995)

The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

there will be more bombings ahead but dont be fooled, much more bigger events..dont fall for the propaganda...people ARE waking up and some people can see it but are afraid to speak up...they want to inject you with fear.

hitler once said: 'All propaganda must be so popular on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards it is directed will understand it.''

and this is why they have bought this whole situation down to...ON ONE SIDE IN THE BLUE CORNER - AL QUAIDA! (which doesnt rlly exist on the level we think, but we'll just convince everyone it does)

AND IN THE OTHER CORNER ITS US THE GOOD GUYS!

thats what they have bought it down to, because they have to bring it down to that simplistic level to the most effective, and has more of us become aware of this, the more number of people will be sitting in the audience going 'oh yeah al quaida, they did it!


but now many people are coming to realise that Don king owns both fighters and its a staged event

You know if your reffering to the patriots in Metal gear solid who control the goverment well... There not real, there computer game characters

Here here Von Doom!

HUZZAH!!! Another thread successfully hijacked by Deano with a conspiracy theory...

Originally posted by Imagawa666
You know if your reffering to the patriots in Metal gear solid who control the goverment well... There not real, there computer game characters

ah your right, what im saying is in a game so it cannot be true

Originally posted by Echuu
HUZZAH!!! Another thread successfully hijacked by Deano with a conspiracy theory...

if you still see it as a conspiracy then you need your head tested

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Where is the concrete evidence of your theory though? This strikes me as amazingly blinkered, as most conspiracies are.

wheres the governments concrete evidence? after all you believed them.
lol blinkered?! and the official story is obviously not.
look, the info is out there if you care to research it and make up your OWN mind

Originally posted by Deano
if you still see it as a conspiracy then you need your head tested

Really? I'll be sure to do that when the lizard men come.

Originally posted by Deano
wheres the governments concrete evidence? after all you believed them.
lol blinkered?! and the official story is obviously not.
look, the info is out there if you care to research it and make up your OWN mind

So in reply to "Where is your evidence?" you reply with "Where is yours?". How damn childish. You don't have any do you? Let's be honest. None of that "Research it", bs. You have none.

We're not the one's filling the forum with our beliefs and calling others idiots for not following. The burden of proof is on you.

Either show us evidence by yourself that factually proves what you are saying or shut the hell up. Because quite frankly I'm growing sick of you. The only people as stupid as those who blindly follow Bush and the media are those who blindly believe nothing, like you.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
oh you hurt me real bad!!
time to grow up buddy
I do not try to wound anyone with my posts; I seek only to bring the truth to light (though I must say that you've both done an adequate job of doing so).

Originally posted by Deano
wheres the governments concrete evidence? after all you believed them.

I don't know where it is. The fact that I do not doesn't mean I will then believe the opposite view, also without concrete evidence, because that is nonsense.

I didn't 'believe' them, I barely listened to them. I don't waste my time on things I can't affect.

Originally posted by Deano

lol blinkered?! and the official story is obviously not.
look, the info is out there if you care to research it and make up your OWN mind

Show us the information. I can say there is information out there for anything, if I don't back it up, it's meaningless.

Conspiracy theorists always condemn sources of information, bar their own, which ironically are usually a Comic Book Guy type with too much time on his hands.

The answer to our problem is the fact Deano wishes to believe all those silly conspiriosts on the net. The type who inadvertantly help certain terrorist organisations.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So in reply to "Where is your evidence?" you reply with "Where is yours?". How damn childish. You don't have any do you? Let's be honest. None of that "Research it", bs. You have none.

We're not the one's filling the forum with our beliefs and calling others idiots for not following. The burden of proof is on you.

Either show us evidence by yourself that factually proves what you are saying or shut the hell up. Because quite frankly I'm growing sick of you. The only people as stupid as those who blindly follow Bush and the media are those who blindly believe nothing, like you.

-AC

well its true isnt it, i have passed on alot of info. so have the government. which one do u believe? obviosuly u believe the government...why?

why do u keep askin me to show evidence? i have countless of times, you just choose to ignore it like people living in denial tend to do. your growing sick of me? well tough. im sure people feel the same way about you. what do you say to them?
so what do you follow then huh? enlighten me please.
you belive in infinite consiousness and you call me crazy

Originally posted by Echuu
Really? I'll be sure to do that when the lizard men come.

u do that

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I don't know where it is. The fact that I do not doesn't mean I will then believe the opposite view, also without concrete evidence, because that is nonsense.

I didn't 'believe' them, I barely listened to them. I don't waste my time on things I can't affect.



Show us the information. I can say there is information out there for anything, if I don't back it up, it's meaningless.

Conspiracy theorists always condemn sources of information, bar their own, which ironically are usually a Comic Book Guy type with too much time on his hands.

ok its up to you what you believe. ive shown loads of info. check search function

Why not post it again?

As Victor said, all you've shown is some random idiots internet musings. By believing that you've just shown that you're a bigger sheep than the ones you label. You ask me what I follow, why do I have to follow something? Oh I see, your view is that you have to have something to follow and it might as well not be anything "mainstream" right? Pathetic.

You hide behind your little shield of garbage throwing. All you do is read random theories on the net and defend them vehemently under the belief that if it's not mainstream, it's truer. Ironic.

You've not shown anything credible. It says a lot, because when you come up against people who are smart and who do actually know what they're going on about, you resort to "You're a sheep, wake up. I've shown info."

One question: If the government are so ultra shady and secretive (which I don't doubt they are), then don't you realise that if they didn't want you to know something, you wouldn't know it? As if the government's top secret info is gonna be leaked to the point where some random Deano in Wolverhampton will stumble across it with the view to posting it on an internet forum.

Wake yourself up.

-AC

We live in a police state for our own protection. Would you much rather have terroists running asround murdsering people. Or have bit more resrtcitve lifestyle?

Everyone go to the off topic forum and check out my thread dedicated to deano as well!!!

yeh well done for that. enjoy your ban

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why not post it again?

As Victor said, all you've shown is some random idiots internet musings. By believing that you've just shown that you're a bigger sheep than the ones you label. You ask me what I follow, why do I have to follow something? Oh I see, your view is that you have to have something to follow and it might as well not be anything "mainstream" right? Pathetic.

You hide behind your little shield of garbage throwing. All you do is read random theories on the net and defend them vehemently under the belief that if it's not mainstream, it's truer. Ironic.

You've not shown anything credible. It says a lot, because when you come up against people who are smart and who do actually know what they're going on about, you resort to "You're a sheep, wake up. I've shown info."

One question: If the government are so ultra shady and secretive (which I don't doubt they are), then don't you realise that if they didn't want you to know something, you wouldn't know it? As if the government's top secret info is gonna be leaked to the point where some random Deano in Wolverhampton will stumble across it with the view to posting it on an internet forum.

Wake yourself up.

-AC

you cant control the internet, info leaks out all the time
so you dont follow anything then? have a think about it

So come on.

Enough telling everyone else they have nothing and that they're stupid. Cough up some real evidence.

-AC

Thats what the Romans thought, then the British. Also don't dismiss history because if people actually looked at mistakes at the past the world would be much different. If Hitler looked at what Napoleon did invading Russia World war 2 would have been much different. Luckily he did not.

I think the US would be the last supreme superpower but i think China after a century or so will become one. IN 2050 china is projected to have a larger economy.


IMO if resources get scarce we would eventually destroy ourselves and nature would help to. However the world will end for sure in next billions or so years unless we move to another solar system.

Originally posted by Deano
well its true isnt it, i have passed on alot of info. so have the government. which one do u believe? obviosuly u believe the government...why?

why do u keep askin me to show evidence? i have countless of times, you just choose to ignore it like people living in denial tend to do. your growing sick of me? well tough. im sure people feel the same way about you. what do you say to them?
so what do you follow then huh? enlighten me please.
you belive in infinite consiousness and you call me crazy



u do that

Yeah you 'passed alot of info' that has been refuted time and time again. Why the heck do you actually believe this stuff?!? Did your mum accidentally drop you on your head when you were little??


manny321>.........I believe differently...China will be like what the Soviet Union was to the U.S. History repeats itself. They will fail just like their comrades. The U.S. WILL fall just not to China.

It hasn't been refuted. You can't refute lies and conjecture. Because, when you do....the liar makes up more shit.

Look Deano, I agree that life as we know it has been fed to us...by political powers. Huge organizations that operate above/outside the law. But many of the theories you post aren't possible. As has already been stated, the burden of proof in not on me...but on the person that posts the thoughts/theories. Simply saying something doesn't make it true. This isn't a holodeck in Star Trek, despite your belief that it is... Raz even went so far as to create a thread, just for you.

Use it. Before you loose it.


Beyond that, you have turned your beliefs into a crusade. If you want anyone to take you seriously, then talk about something else. But, in the last year, this is all you've talked about...no one will believe you if you portray yourself as a loon. And a crazy person is single-minded. You can do better.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why not post it again?

As Victor said, all you've shown is some random idiots internet musings. By believing that you've just shown that you're a bigger sheep than the ones you label. You ask me what I follow, why do I have to follow something? Oh I see, your view is that you have to have something to follow and it might as well not be anything "mainstream" right? Pathetic.

You hide behind your little shield of garbage throwing. All you do is read random theories on the net and defend them vehemently under the belief that if it's not mainstream, it's truer. Ironic.

You've not shown anything credible. It says a lot, because when you come up against people who are smart and who do actually know what they're going on about, you resort to "You're a sheep, wake up. I've shown info."

One question: If the government are so ultra shady and secretive (which I don't doubt they are), then don't you realise that if they didn't want you to know something, you wouldn't know it? As if the government's top secret info is gonna be leaked to the point where some random Deano in Wolverhampton will stumble across it with the view to posting it on an internet forum.

Wake yourself up.

-AC

Bravo *claps hands* bravo indeed.

I actually think that India might be the next Superpower not China.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So come on.

Enough telling everyone else they have nothing and that they're stupid. Cough up some real evidence.

-AC

you accept lies pedalled by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet they insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality. what is real evidence to you?i have produced what i think is real evidence on numerous occasions. if you dont think so then its your problem. tell me what real evidence the government have produced

So Deano... what exactly are you doing to stop this world government?

Originally posted by Deano
you accept lies pedalled by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet they insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality.

Ok, I've had enough of your stupidity so I'm going to wrap this up for you ok? Ok.

I don't "accept" anything blindly but as Victor said, I don't see the point of being concerned with that which is - whether I like it or not - out of my hands.

You're worse purely because you accept all the bs you read on the net just because it's anti-mainstream media. Following something blindly makes you a sheep and the sooner YOU are willing to admit that, the sooner your hypocricy will be absolved. You're not challenging the "official" view of reality, you're challenging everything to the point where you believe nothing except theories some man or woman has typed up. The government, believe it or not, are smarter than you because you're an idiot. If they didn't want you to know something, you wouldn't know it. That's how conspiracy theorists work. They assume there's more to a story (although there might not be) so they look for any excuse or fake connection, make it, then run with it and hopefully drag along unfortunate sheep people like yourself.

The funny thing about this is; I don't particularly like the government but I can do nothing about them besides vote and make my voice heard where I feel necessary. While you apparantly believe being anti-everything will lead to something 'better' and I'm still unaware as to how you deduced this. Topping it all off with the sheer hypocricy of telling people they should be free (aka think how you do, which is about as free as Harrods fresh produce) while degrading them for - shock horror! - believing something. Which of course, would be them taking advantage of the freedom that you so readily fight for. In actual fact, you're not fighting for freedom, you're not fighting. You're a lame turtle rolling on it's back, kicking it's legs in the air and you won't find anyone willing to help you back onto your feet unless you come out of your impenetrable moron shell.

You go around as if you're flying the flag for freedom but what exactly have you achieved by being locked in your house (Control!) on the net (Control!) posting what could be, false conspiracy theories? (Decoys! Control!). Nothing, you've done nothing. You have done as much as me, to change the world, to bring freedom. The difference is, I don't let my life and braincells be consumed by idiotic conspiracy theories, you do. Yet it both results in us having no impact. How can you sit there on your comp in your room and post theory after theory, flimsy each and every time, then tell US how WE'RE the ones controlled?

Originally posted by Deano
what is real evidence to you?i have produced what i think is real evidence on numerous occasions. if you dont think so then its your problem. tell me what real evidence the government have produced

Pure comedy, seriously.

You have produced what YOU think is real evidence. That's nice and everything, but I want real evidence. Not some copy and paste from Conspiracy Theorists Weekly. I want actual credible, realistic evidence. Oh...oh, I know what you'll do. You'll post a big steaming lot of digital-text horsecrap, then because I laugh it off, you'll claim I'm controlled.

Your pathetic and delusional failsafe doesn't work with ME, cracker jack. Stop asking for what evidence the government has given and give some yourself or shut up.

-AC

How is Deano the sheep? He chose on his own free-will to believe the conspiracies composed on his anti-media sites..

About the only comparison he is to a sheep is the way you're attacking him like a bunch of hungery wolves.. Deano is not another brainless follower, how can he be when the majority are spitting at his every word? Obviously he's not getting a sweet deal out of saying or believing the things he posts.. Where as all of you get the sweet scent of victory because you hold greater numbers over him.

I'm not going to say I agree with everything Deano has said, but alot of it makes sense. It could very well be possible, or it could all be a hoax. I don't know. But what I do know is he's not another monkey, obviously you need to check your definitions of what defines a mindless drone Alpha Centauri.. because the only drones I see here, are you, and about 88% of the rest of the forum attacking poor lonesome Deano..

I've hardly ever got involved in this BS, but it's getting ridiculous.

Numbers or not, I'm not trying to deprive him of his right to believe whatever he chooses. He is, yet he claims to love freedom. It's hypocricy,

How the hell does it make sense? How does the stuff he spurts out, make sense? He tried to imply that Bush organised Hurricane Katrina. Bush. The man can barely consume a pretzel and yet Deano is willing to believe he organised one of the worst natural disasters of recent years. Why? Because the official explanation was: "It's just a very, very bad hurricane." And we all know how everything, anyone says is a lie....pathetic.

He's a drone and nothing you can say will change that, Spelljammer. He's anti-mainstream for the sake of being. He accuses people of not asking for proof each and every time when it's just not necessary, AND he never provides any himself.

You think he's not another monkey because I'm disagreeing with him and so are others who you don't like.

Is there a third person I have to own?

-AC

It has nothing to do with me not liking you AC, KidRock believes Deano is full of shit too. And I like KidRock just as much as Deano. But Deano has posted some very thought provoking, intelligent conspiracies that could truly answer the many questions we have that the goverment is refusing to tell us.

Let's face it, Deano's not even American. What would he bennefit from telling us about George Bush being apart of the illummanati? And unlike kharmahdog/pvs who just ridicously bash George Bush, Deano actually gives solid evidence and discussion of what makes George W. Bush a bad man.. Where as your buddies are just crude barbarians, trying to rape and pillage the neo-conservative agenda..

this is so pathetic...but i guess id rather see you troll here than stalk more underage girls

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
How is Deano the sheep? He chose on his own free-will to believe the conspiracies composed on his anti-media sites..

You just answered your own question.


Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
Deano is not another brainless follower, how can he be when the majority are spitting at his every word?

Being a sheep does not mean that you are part of the majority. Being a sheep implies that one believes everything they are told and that they choose to spout that rhetoric rather than think things through for themselves. Deano is a fine example of that.

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
Obviously he's not getting a sweet deal out of saying or believing the things he posts..

No, but he is getting attention, and for some here that is enough.

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
Where as all of you get the sweet scent of victory because you hold greater numbers over him.

This is not about ganging up on somene, nor about a victory in doing so. If that is your take perhaps you have spent too much time debating on the schoolgrounds at recess instead of with adults.

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
I'm not going to say I agree with everything Deano has said, but alot of it makes sense. It could very well be possible, or it could all be a hoax.

No, that is the problem, not much of any of it makes sense. And one of his sources believes alien lizards secretly rule our world. Unfortunately putting your faith in one who preaches such fiction drastically reduces your own reputation as a clear thinking individual.

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
I don't know. But what I do know is he's not another monkey, obviously you need to check your definitions of what defines a mindless drone Alpha Centauri.. because the only drones I see here, are you, and about 88% of the rest of the forum attacking poor lonesome Deano..

A drone is a male bee that is characteristically stingless, performs no work, and produces no honey. That sums up deano's posts rather well.

His comments are stingless (without point or humour). He performs no work in that he just regurgitates info instead of actually investigationg issues or coming to his own conclusions. He produces no honey, there is nothing to his posts but words without meaning, just rhetoric. All filler no meat.

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
It has nothing to do with me not liking you AC, KidRock believes Deano is full of shit too. And I like KidRock just as much as Deano. But Deano has posted some very thought provoking, intelligent conspiracies that could truly answer the many questions we have that the goverment is refusing to tell us.

Let's face it, Deano's not even American. What would he bennefit from telling us about George Bush being apart of the illummanati? And unlike kharmahdog/pvs who just ridicously bash George Bush, Deano actually gives solid evidence and discussion of what makes George W. Bush a bad man.. Where as your buddies are just crude barbarians, trying to rape and pillage the neo-conservative agenda..

They're not my buddies, first of all.

Second of all George Bush IS a bad man, clearly.

Last, George Bush is a very very stupid man. Not because I dislike him, factually unintelligible moron. Deano is giving him ultra credit as being part of some secret cult. It's pathetic.

I don't doubt that our governments have MANY secrets, but they aren't gonna get out THIS easily and they're certainly not anything Deano, one man from Wolverhampton, has posted. Just think for a second.

-AC

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
Let's face it, Deano's not even American. What would he bennefit from telling us about George Bush being apart of the illummanati? And unlike kharmahdog/pvs who just ridicously bash George Bush, Deano actually gives solid evidence and discussion of what makes George W. Bush a bad man.. Where as your buddies are just crude barbarians, trying to rape and pillage the neo-conservative agenda..

First off, I go after more people than Bush.

Next, Deano's evidence is always in question, never verifiable. You claim that I don't back up my arguements? Well, I do, you just often ignore them or run so you don't have to see them. And yes I will attack the neo-conservative agenda because it is f*cking brutal.

You are fuzzing up the truth to make your point. No one wil;l listen to you when you do that. But you should know that by now.

looks like spelljammer's new attempted recruit is deano.

so he must attend to deano's nuts and make sure they
are sufficiently hugged and licked to saturation.

See what I mean? "Rally the troops! We have a Deano supporter on our hands!"

Maybe you guys should go play some Halo instead of debating on an internet forum..

thats your sad but true strategy.
you are actively trying to form a clique.
thats sooooooo sad. look at yourself.





really, look at yourself

Originally posted by Black Sorcerer
See what I mean? "Rally the troops! We have a Deano supporter on our hands!"

Maybe you guys should go play some Halo instead of debating on an internet forum..

Maybe you should learn to debate better.

I'd like to cut in and say to Deano: Don't try to avoid my request for evidence to back up your theories.

Those three arguing hasn't taken my focus off your upcoming evidence. I shall await it.

-AC

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Maybe you should learn to debate better.

Nice.



Black Sorcerer>.........Just because people are in the majority against something it doesn't automatically make them evil or good. It's a case by case basis and I think that in this case you are on the wrong side.

Deano is talking about LIZARD MEN ruling the world!!!!!! If that isn't a huge warning light I don't know what is.

Originally posted by PVS
so he must attend to deano's nuts and make sure they
are sufficiently hugged and licked to saturation.


LOL! seriously, I really laughed out loud.

Huricanes and earthquakes will cause so much damage that the repairs will outcost the economy

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've hardly ever got involved in this BS, but it's getting ridiculous.

Numbers or not, I'm not trying to deprive him of his right to believe whatever he chooses. He is, yet he claims to love freedom. It's hypocricy,

How the hell does it make sense? How does the stuff he spurts out, make sense? He tried to imply that Bush organised Hurricane Katrina. Bush.
-AC

lies
i stated that controlling weather is a possibilty, please dont make this stuff up

Originally posted by Echuu
So Deano... what exactly are you doing to stop this world government?

i think its down to the world, not just one person, think you are missing the point

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You just answered your own question.




Being a sheep does not mean that you are part of the majority. Being a sheep implies that one believes everything they are told and that they choose to spout that rhetoric rather than think things through for themselves. Deano is a fine example of that.



No, but he is getting attention, and for some here that is enough.



This is not about ganging up on somene, nor about a victory in doing so. If that is your take perhaps you have spent too much time debating on the schoolgrounds at recess instead of with adults.



No, that is the problem, not much of any of it makes sense. And one of his sources believes alien lizards secretly rule our world. Unfortunately putting your faith in one who preaches such fiction drastically reduces your own reputation as a clear thinking individual.



A drone is a male bee that is characteristically stingless, performs no work, and produces no honey. That sums up deano's posts rather well.

His comments are stingless (without point or humour). He performs no work in that he just regurgitates info instead of actually investigationg issues or coming to his own conclusions. He produces no honey, there is nothing to his posts but words without meaning, just rhetoric. All filler no meat.

one of my sources believes in lizard men. ok fair enuff, doesnt mean he is wrong about other things. and what about all the other sources?
and for the last time i dont do this for attention, please dont say that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're not my buddies, first of all.

Second of all George Bush IS a bad man, clearly.

Last, George Bush is a very very stupid man. Not because I dislike him, factually unintelligible moron. Deano is giving him ultra credit as being part of some secret cult. It's pathetic.

I don't doubt that our governments have MANY secrets, but they aren't gonna get out THIS easily and they're certainly not anything Deano, one man from Wolverhampton, has posted. Just think for a second.

-AC

its pathetic, ok but its your opinion. you cant give me info to prove me wrong but i can certainly give you alot of info to make you think

Originally posted by Deano
one of my sources believes in lizard men. ok fair enuff, doesnt mean he is wrong about other things.

well, it completely destroys his credibility, and yours for quoting him

ciao

Originally posted by Echuu
Nice.



Black Sorcerer>.........Just because people are in the majority against something it doesn't automatically make them evil or good. It's a case by case basis and I think that in this case you are on the wrong side.

Deano is talking about LIZARD MEN ruling the world!!!!!! If that isn't a huge warning light I don't know what is.

id really like to know where i said that

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'd like to cut in and say to Deano: Don't try to avoid my request for evidence to back up your theories.

Those three arguing hasn't taken my focus off your upcoming evidence. I shall await it.

-AC

dont wait for the evidence to come to you, do you know how fricken long it would take to compile info on this site? i neither have the time or energy to do that
read a book for gods sake, that would be much easier and then you can spurt on here that you dont believe it

i can reccomend many

Originally posted by Deano
i think its down to the world, not just one person, think you are missing the point

Well with that kind of attitude you aren't going to get anywhere.

Originally posted by Deano
one of my sources believes in lizard men. ok fair enuff, doesnt mean he is wrong about other things.

But it makes anything that comes out of his mouth suspect without hard evidence to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Deano
and what about all the other sources?

They are without merit. Show me studies, or hard information. Even better, gather some information from sources other than conspiracy sites or blogs that support your beliefs.

Originally posted by Deano

and for the last time i dont do this for attention, please dont say that.

Then what is your reason? It is either for the attention or you suffer from a singles mindedness that borders on the manic or unstable.

Originally posted by Deano
its pathetic, ok but its your opinion. you cant give me info to prove me wrong but i can certainly give you alot of info to make you think

Yeah, you do give me a lot of info to make me think......make me think you're an idiot who can't back his claims up.

You are saying I can't prove you wrong, I don't need to. You've got the burden of proof, as always. You make the claims, the burden of proving them right falls upon your shoulders.

So stop dodging my request for factual evidence and give some, or shut up. Because you can't keep pointing fingers and saying we're not proving anything, we're not trying to. You are, so prove it.

"I think it's real evidence." I don't. So show me some real material. All I've seen you do is chicken out.

Come on Mr. Evidence. If you can't prove your shit right, don't claim you can. Admit you can't. Don't try the coward technique of "Well you have none either." I don't want any evidence, I'm not trying to rabidly prove any theories right. You always are, always. So come on, cough it up. Oh wait, you don't have the energy or time, right? Funny how you theorists have all the time in the world to read and preach this bullshit, but never to back it up.

Read a book? What, like Ruled by Secrecy by Jim Mars? Hahahahaha. Talk about overblown sensationalistic bullshit. Sometimes I think you're just putting on a front, but then I get the impression you are actually a conspiracy theorist idiot because you believed that this book contained revealing government info, despite it being sold in WHSmith's right next to the David Icke books, for absolutely anyone to get their hands on.

-AC

It's the Crab People.


CRAB PEOPLE...taste like crab..look like people...CRAB PEOPLE

Crab and horseraddish sauce tastes good...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, you do give me a lot of info to make me think......make me think you're an idiot who can't back his claims up.

You are saying I can't prove you wrong, I don't need to. You've got the burden of proof, as always. You make the claims, the burden of proving them right falls upon your shoulders.

So stop dodging my request for factual evidence and give some, or shut up. Because you can't keep pointing fingers and saying we're not proving anything, we're not trying to. You are, so prove it.

"I think it's real evidence." I don't. So show me some real material. All I've seen you do is chicken out.

Come on Mr. Evidence. If you can't prove your shit right, don't claim you can. Admit you can't. Don't try the coward technique of "Well you have none either." I don't want any evidence, I'm not trying to rabidly prove any theories right. You always are, always. So come on, cough it up. Oh wait, you don't have the energy or time, right? Funny how you theorists have all the time in the world to read and preach this bullshit, but never to back it up.

Read a book? What, like Ruled by Secrecy by Jim Mars? Hahahahaha. Talk about overblown sensationalistic bullshit. Sometimes I think you're just putting on a front, but then I get the impression you are actually a conspiracy theorist idiot because you believed that this book contained revealing government info, despite it being sold in WHSmith's right next to the David Icke books, for absolutely anyone to get their hands on.

-AC

what did i say, how can i psossibly provide so much evidence. there is tons of it and it is very time consuming. you have already made your mind up, so why are you asking me to provide evidence which you will ALWAYS find some pathetic way to dismiss. the great AC knows it all!
there are plenty other books. check em out, you might learn something

Originally posted by Deano
what did i say, how can i psossibly provide so much evidence. there is tons of it and it is very time consuming. you have already made your mind up, so why are you asking me to provide evidence which you will ALWAYS find some pathetic way to dismiss. the great AC knows it all!
there are plenty other books. check em out, you might learn something

yes, its very time consuming to compile all evidence on a topic...

however, it should not take but a minute to gather ONE SHRED of evidence that
doesnt originate from a site who's very purpose for being/agenda is to make people believe in what they're shoveling, rather than an objective source.

you have yet to do that. since the evidence is obviously so overwhelming,
surely it would be worth the simple task of posting just a sample here.

think of all the people you would be shutting up, including myself...

wouldnt that be sooooo worth it? so lets see it then....

Originally posted by Deano
what did i say, how can i psossibly provide so much evidence. there is tons of it and it is very time consuming. you have already made your mind up, so why are you asking me to provide evidence which you will ALWAYS find some pathetic way to dismiss. the great AC knows it all!
there are plenty other books. check em out, you might learn something

So in other words, no back up? Cool.

-AC

meditating?...MEDITATING?

you and your disgusting liberal concepts

mmpphhh

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So in other words, no back up? Cool.

-AC

oh i have backup, unlike you.
you believe the burden of proof is on me because the majority dont believe in whats being said. what you dont realise is that you dont have any solid concrete evidence either to back up the reality you see and believe.

Originally posted by Deano
oh i have backup, unlike you.
you believe the burden of proof is on me because the majority dont believe in whats being said. what you dont realise is that you dont have any solid concrete evidence either to back up the reality you see and believe.

No, the burden of proof is on you because you come on KMC day in, day out, and post conspiracy theories with no back up. Only what you consider to be back up, despite it being refuted.

I don't have back up? So what? I'm not so pathetically uncomfortable with my life that I have to come on the net and find meaning in nonsense, unlike you. I'm not out here trying to prove a theory. All I'm trying to prove is that you talk but can't walk.

Guess what? I did so.

So unless you can post your back up in the next reply, factual evidence, shut up.

-AC

Originally posted by PVS
yes, its very time consuming to compile all evidence on a topic...

however, it should not take but a minute to gather ONE SHRED of evidence that
doesnt originate from a site who's very purpose for being/agenda is to make people believe in what they're shoveling, rather than an objective source.

you have yet to do that. since the evidence is obviously so overwhelming,
surely it would be worth the simple task of posting just a sample here.

think of all the people you would be shutting up, including myself...

wouldnt that be sooooo worth it? so lets see it then....

i hate quoting myself, but if i must...


if you want to shut AC up, this is the only way....

but thats not going to happen is it?

instead we'll get

"there's lots of books"

or

"the truth is out there"

and other non-sources.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, the burden of proof is on you because you come on KMC day in, day out, and post conspiracy theories with no back up. Only what you consider to be back up, despite it being refuted.

I don't have back up? So what? I'm not so pathetically uncomfortable with my life that I have to come on the net and find meaning in nonsense, unlike you. I'm not out here trying to prove a theory. All I'm trying to prove is that you talk but can't walk.

Guess what? I did so.

So unless you can post your back up in the next reply, factual evidence, shut up.

-AC

no ones asking you to come in here. what do you know about my life? im pretty comfortable with it cheers.

one world government, microchip, planned atrocitys
is that so hard to believe?

"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know."

if only you could see the irony

Originally posted by PVS
"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know."

if only you could see the irony

Well, well, well! Well if it isn't fat stinking PVS Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarble, ya eunuch jelly thou!
no irony here brother

Originally posted by Deano
Well, well, well! Well if it isn't fat stinking PVS Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarble, ya eunuch jelly thou!
no irony here brother

funny how you dodged my other posts.
to purposely dodge the most basic and fundamental request of
any debate (valid source)
to desperately preserve ones own ignorance in an attempt to feel right against the majority, by covering your ears and going "LALALALALALALALAALALALA"

but why? whats to gain?

Originally posted by Deano
no ones asking you to come in here. what do you know about my life? im pretty comfortable with it cheers.

one world government, microchip, planned atrocitys
is that so hard to believe?

Is it so easy to believe?

Waiting on that proof.

-AC

jesus ****ing christ, you three! this thread has nothing to do with damn conspiracies, deano stop squishing your illuminati theories in every single political thread!
and everyone else accept the fact that deano believes all those things :s

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Is it so easy to believe?

Waiting on that proof.

-AC

do you need proof when people say it is going to rain, all you have to do is look up at the clouds and see whats coming. it doesnt take a scientist

Originally posted by Deano
do you need proof when people say it is going to rain, all you have to do is look up at the clouds and see whats coming. it doesnt take a scientist

and the award for "meaningless metaphore of the year" goes to............

Originally posted by PVS
and the award for "meaningless metaphore of the year" goes to............

dots!?

Originally posted by Deano
do you need proof when people say it is going to rain, all you have to do is look up at the clouds and see whats coming. it doesnt take a scientist

At the same time, someone who studies the weather will know more than me. That's a fact.

Waiting on that proof still. Or you could just admit that you can't prove them right.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
dots!?
Err...if you really couldn't get what PVS was saying--and I suspect that you actually didn't--it is that clouds are to rain what evidence is to your argument.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Err...if you really couldn't get what PVS was saying--and I suspect that you actually didn't--it is that clouds are to rain what evidence is to your argument.

err i did get what he was saying. by trying to insult my intelligence you have actually made yourself look a bit stupid

Originally posted by Deano
err i did get what he was saying. by trying to insult my intelligence you have actually made yourself look a bit stupid
I wasn't actually trying to insult your intelligence. Just trying to clarify because, in all honesty, I didn't think you understood.

Originally posted by Deano
err i did get what he was saying. by trying to insult my intelligence you have actually made yourself look a bit stupid

by ignoring hundreds of completely valid requests for objective sources to support your arguement, yet attacking the very people who ask them with off topic nonesense, you make yourself look rude and willfully ignorant, and therefore insult your own intelligence with more precision and cruelty than anyone here is remotely capable of.

Originally posted by PVS
by ignoring hundreds of completely valid requests for objective sources to support your arguement, yet attacking the very people who ask them with off topic nonesense, you make yourself look rude and willfully ignorant, and therefore insult your own intelligence with more precision and cruelty than anyone here is remotely capable of.

every objective source gets condemned by you. as always its a waste of time.
lol how can i be rude with all the insults i have to put up with off you lot!

i'll wait untill some concpiracy gets posted on cnn, or some other mainstream website. then i'll post it thats what you want isnt it and obviously you fail to realise that thats never gonna happen. so quit pissing around and ignoring the OBVIOUS! you cant really talk about ignorance. you are never gonna accept whatever evidence there is unless its mainstream. do you see the problem in this?

Deano, how about you post some points that have been proven wrong. Maybe in your research, you've come across certain points of interest...or maybe a timeframe for events, that didn't work out the way you thought it would. You always say the proof is just around the corner...that the consipracy is moments away from being provable. But, what are some examples of things that didn't turn out to be true. If you can accept that Lizard men are a crazy idea, what other aspects of this theory are too far out there, even for you?