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The True Fear
There is a bill going through the system in Kansas that will put a 10% tax on porn. The supporters of the bill say that porn is related to sex crimes. What do you think of this?

GCG
Im wondering how on earth will they make that work on the Internet if they pass the bill, which i highly doubt, is a practical solution to combat sex crimes.

Even if it goes through, how the f*ck is it supposed to prevent Sex Crimes messed

jnr hiphop
How is porn a crime at all?

FeceMan
Originally posted by GCG
Im wondering how on earth will they make that work on the Internet if they pass the bill, which i highly doubt, is a practical solution to combat sex crimes.

Even if it goes through, how the f*ck is it supposed to prevent Sex Crimes messed
I'm thinking it is just for videos and stuff.

Porn ****s you up.

long pig
Porno does indeed **** your mind up. You start off with cinemax soft core, and three months later your at under age transexual bukkake horse sex.

GCG
Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm thinking it is just for videos and stuff.

Porn ****s you up.

what about Videos off the net ?

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by The True Fear
There is a bill going through the system in Kansas that will put a 10% tax on porn. The supporters of the bill say that porn is related to sex crimes. What do you think of this?



Thank god for red state republicans who, with no consideration for themselves, pass laws making it harder for them to access the very porn they get off to.....

long pig
Republicans never will rest until they control everything.

Nevermind
We already got 10% tax on porn. It's called the GST and it goes on everything you f*cking buy.

Darth Jello
every respectable study (not including that charade that ed meese pulled off) concluded that porn actually prevents sex crimes

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by long pig
Porno does indeed **** your mind up. You start off with cinemax soft core, and three months later your at under age transexual bukkake horse sex. God I hope that isn't an autobiographical anecdote.

I have no idea how they came to the conclusion that porn is either correlated to or causative of sex crimes.

Nevermind
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
God I hope that isn't an autobiographical anecdote.

I have no idea how they came to the conclusion that porn is either correlated to or causative of sex crimes.

Sorry, this is going to be totally off topic, but is your Avatar that brain dude from the toxic avenger the cartoon series?

Shakyamunison
Anyway they can tax us they will. laughing

long pig
Um...no, of course it isn't autobiographical....I swear!

Seriously, though, porn really has no positives.

If you watch enough weird kiddy porn or whatever is sick at the moment, it will become more and more natural to you, thus making the act less and less offensive. Which might lead to real life acts.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Nevermind
Sorry, this is going to be totally off topic, but is your Avatar that brain dude from the toxic avenger the cartoon series? It's Krang from old ninja turtles. How can you not know Krang? You must be a youngin'.
http://members.fortunecity.com/neodevilbane/tcartkrang.jpg
Mmmm... sexilicious.

Leo.M
Originally posted by long pig
Porno does indeed **** your mind up. You start off with cinemax soft core, and three months later your at under age transexual bukkake horse sex. Originally posted by long pig
Um...no, of course it isn't autobiographical....I swear!

Seriously, though, porn really has no positives.

If you watch enough weird kiddy porn or whatever is sick at the moment, it will become more and more natural to you, thus making the act less and less offensive. Which might lead to real life acts.

no expression messed sick no expression

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by long pig
Um...no, of course it isn't autobiographical....I swear!

Seriously, though, porn really has no positives.

If you watch enough weird kiddy porn or whatever is sick at the moment, it will become more and more natural to you, thus making the act less and less offensive. Which might lead to real life acts. I'm just interested in their methodology in coming to that conclusion. I'm betting they just asked a group of male sex offenders "Have you ever watched porn before." then when they in all likelihood received unanimous "Yes."s they went "Oh, porn must cause people to commit sex crimes."

Nevermind
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's Krang from old ninja turtles. How can you not know Krang? You must be a youngin'.
http://members.fortunecity.com/neodevilbane/tcartkrang.jpg
Mmmm... sexilicious.

Oh sh*t yeah, I dunno why I got him mixed up with the Toxic avenger series. That was the classic sh*t right there. Yeah I am a youngin' I haven't seen that series in years. I use to have an action figure of him with him robot legs.

long pig
Originally posted by Leo.M
no expression messed sick no expression
It can't be that hard for you to comprehend....can it? Are the words too large?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm just interested in their methodology in coming to that conclusion. I'm betting they just asked a group of male sex offenders "Have you ever watched porn before." then when they in all likelihood received unanimous "Yes."s they went "Oh, porn must cause people to commit sex crimes."
I know where you're coming from, but it's pretty much common sense that porn can lead you astray. It has no positives.

tabby999
only people who watch things like kiddie porn would be desencitised to it, people who like that stuff have problems already, the fact they watch porn isn't going to make it worse, its just showing they're problematic to begin with. its like saying watching war movies makes it more likely for people to go to war, it makes no sence.

long pig
Actually it does make sense.

If at first you're curious about kiddy porn, but still have the cultural disgust toward it, you won't even think about acting it out.
But, if you watch kiddy porn, it slowly rusts away the natural/cultural disgust, making the act more and more acceptible to you.
Which hightens the chances you are going to attempt it.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by The True Fear
There is a bill going through the system in Kansas that will put a 10% tax on porn. The supporters of the bill say that porn is related to sex crimes. What do you think of this?

How can porn be related to sex crimes?

Thats then saying, that before porn there were no sex crimes - which is just not true.
People who chose to watch sick things such as rape or child porn, already had those thoughts - watching normal porn didn't magically turn them into peadophiles and rapists.

long pig
No, it's saying before there were porn, there were less sex crimes, which is true.

Of course, there always has been porn, but never the amount there is today.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by long pig
No, it's saying before there were porn, there were less sex crimes, which is true.

Of course, there always has been porn, but never the amount there is today.

Untrue.

Sex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. Rape has been used as a punishment for women thousands of years ago.

As for child molestation - please explain to me how would someone start getting feelings about adolescent boys when he/she is watching grown men and woman having sexual intercourse.

There is absolutely NO evidence that porn leads to sex crimes.

Victor Von Doom
Actually, porn could also be seen as a way of countering desires, as opposed to the creator of desires.

After all, if you watch porn, you already have the desire.

Japan is a prime example, they have mainstream hardcore pornography, and it is perceived as nothing out of the ordinary. They also have a very low rate of sex-related crime.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness


Sex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex.

Generalisation- it isn't true in every single case. I have no idea why people continue to say this as if it is gospel.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by long pig
But, if you watch kiddy porn, it slowly rusts away the natural/cultural disgust, making the act more and more acceptible to you.
Which hightens the chances you are going to attempt it.

My mother never had a clue of the kind of music I like. When she was in my room talking to me and I had Emperor playing, she was a bit taken aback by it. In time, she actually become passively appreciative of the music through casual exposure to it.

Does this increse the chances that she's gonna go out and become a black metal vocalist? No it doesn't.

-AC

Walfredo
Originally posted by The True Fear
There is a bill going through the system in Kansas that will put a 10% tax on porn. The supporters of the bill say that porn is related to sex crimes. What do you think of this?

i think kansas needs to act like its 2005.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Generalisation- it isn't true in every single case. I have no idea why people continue to say this as if it is gospel.

Because numerous studies have been conducted to suggest such.

Men who have raped other men are hetrosexual in 98% of the cases.

I am waiting for you to provide me with a study or a research which suggest that rape is not exertion of power but is done in the name of pleasure.

Alpha Centauri
Heterosexual males raping males IS about power, eg: Charles Manson.

How does that apply to a heterosexual male, forcing SEXUAL intercourse on a female (the opposite sex)? Which, by it's very nature, is sexual. I'm not denying there's power elements there, but you're obviously treating it like the good book when you say it's nothing to do with sex....which is staggeringly odd.

Numerous studies? Show us these, please. Not that it can possibly prove you right. Because lest we forget your claim that rape isn't about sex, despite it being sex. It's like saying beating someone up isn't about physically hurting them.

Not to be rude, because this is just a passive observation, but you do talk a lot of stats and figures without seemingly backing it up with experience and/or factual info. Granted, power is a factor, but to say sex isn't a factor in sexual intercourse is a bit silly isn't it?

That on top of the fact that all Victor did was say that power isn't the reason in EVERY single case, and by quoting that percentage (of as yet, undetermined credibility) of 98%, you were agreeing with him.

-AC

lil bitchiness
He said it was a generalisation.

Great majority =/= generalisation.

Rape is an act of violence, not passion. Its an exertion of power, of one person over the other.

How can statistic of 98% be a generalisation? A generalisation of what? Of the 2%?
Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of that post - because tis just probably random guessing mixed with ''i heard this once from someone, so im gonan type it out'' and a bit of your own opinion.



But anyway, while id love to go around looking for articles which YOU can access without having to pay for them, i dont have the will or the time.

But British Crime Survey is free - knock yourself out.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf





etc etc etc...


There is a whole set of rape adns exual assult surves and most of them have ''nature of sexual victimasation'' section.

Here is an article from Syracuse University.

http://sumweb.syr.edu/health/parents_friends/SU%20RC%20ParF%20Bklet.htm

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
He said it was a generalisation.

Great majority =/= generalisation.

Rape is an act of violence, not passion. Its an exertion of power, of one person over the other.

Who mentioned passion? Or are you equating passion with sexual urge? Yes, you are. They aren't the same.

It's an act of sexual violence. It is. There isn't any debating this is there? Sexual intercourse achieved through violence. The book opens, the book closes.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can statistic of 98% be a generalisation? A generalisation of what? Of the 2%?
Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of that post - because tis just probably random guessing mixed with ''i heard this once from someone, so im gonan type it out'' and a bit of your own opinion.

Why continually post bs and then refuse to read something because, shock, you might have to reply or worse, might not be able to? It's happened before.

You're saying most cases, so it's a generalisation. I've not seen proof for this 98%. I'll assume it's a guess or a projected statistic of a certain area. The Earth is a big place, Milla. 98% of all rapes ever aren't pure violence with no sexual urge. Why are you even trying to prove this? It's SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, how can it NOT be sexual?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But anyway, while id love to go around looking for articles which YOU can access without having to pay for them, i dont have the will or the time.

Then don't have the will or the time to claim if you can't back it up. Deano does that, I give you more credit than him.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But British Crime Survey is free - knock yourself out.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf
etc etc etc...

I'll read this. Then reply accordingly.

EDIT: A lot of stats that may very well be accurate. What are you getting at? The only problem I had with your post was your claim that it's pure power/not sexual 98% of the time. Your link clearly proves you wrong. "Sexual assault" and all that wink.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There is a whole set of rape adns exual assult surves and most of them have ''nature of sexual victimasation'' section.

And yet, to you, it's pure power. Not sex. Hmm. Have you thought this through?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here is an article from Syracuse University.

http://sumweb.syr.edu/health/parents_friends/SU%20RC%20ParF%20Bklet.htm

Awesome, an article about general stats in New York. New York = All Earth rapes ever?

"Although every sexual assault survivor’s experience is unique, there are certain things all family and friends of survivors should know to aid in the process of recovery. The survivors who shared their thoughts and ideas with the University R.A.P.E. Center to produce this pamphlet want people in supportive roles to benefit from their insights so the survivor has space in which to go through the healing process.

One of the most fundamental facts about rape is that rape is an act of violence. It is the exertion of power and control over another human being. Many sexual assaults involve threats of bodily harm or other forms of intimidation. In some cases, the person suffers severe physical injury. "

Clearly uses it in a sexual context multiple times. It's sexual intercourse, how can you sanely say it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex?

-AC

BackFire
lil's right, the cause of rape is generally connected with wanting power rather then sexual desires, why do you think ugly fat old women get raped much of the time rather then good hot young tight bodied college girls all the time? Granted, there are exceptions, but generally speaking she's correct.

Alpha Centauri
Where did I say it's not about power?

She's implying that rape is never to do with the pleasure of sex, she's wrong. That's all anyone wanted to get across.

By posting 98% and not 100% she's proving herself wrong.

-AC

lil bitchiness
Thanks BF.

AC can believe what he wants about rape, the important point is, Porn doesn't cause or is directly related to sex crimes. Thats just stupid and has no bases, grounds or evidence for such argument.

BackFire
Where did she say that it was always about power? She never said it never has to do with sexual pleasure? She said the vast majority are done because of wanting power, which is correct.

Alpha Centauri
For BackFire:

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Untrue.

Sex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex.

Right there is where she said it.

Milla, you claimed it's never about the pleasure of sex. You claimed this? Correct? Yes.

Then you posted an as yet unconfirmed stat that 98% of rapes (somewhere) were purely about power. Even if that were the case, the 2% would mean that you were wrong to claim they are nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. It's sexual intercourse so to claim it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex on top of proving yourself wrong, is incorrect.

Do you or do you not agree?

For the second time in this thread and for the second time in a few weeks I'm trying to ask you questions regarding an issue and you're dancing and dodging like Roy Jones.

-AC

WindDancer
Porno leads to rape? Whatever!

Porn is a basically Adult Entertainment. And to blame porn for sex crimes is no different than blaming movies, music, comic books, video games and other things for criminal acts. People need to stop pointing fingers and put the blame where it belongs...and that's on the criminal. Oh gee! A rapists drinks a Coke and I also drink Coke...therefore I'm also a rapists...get real.

Alpha Centauri
That would mean that you're also Batman. I did have my hunches on that....

-AC

BackFire
Yeah, I read that AC. She never said ALL rapes though. Perhaps she shoulda worded it better, but I don't think she meant to imply that every single rape could be catagorized in the same way and was done for the same reason.

Oh yes, and porno doesn't lead to rape, just for the record there.

Alpha Centauri
Well now, predictably, she'll probably say that's what she meant and accuse me of assuming. When she clearly meant what she said.

Whatever though, if that's what she meant, she's wrong. If not, we agree. Bookal closage, shelfal storage.

-AC

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by WindDancer
Porno leads to rape? Whatever!

Porn is a basically Adult Entertainment. And to blame porn for sex crimes is no different than blaming movies, music, comic books, video games and other things for criminal acts. People need to stop pointing fingers and put the blame where it belongs...and that's on the criminal. Oh gee! A rapists drinks a Coke and I also drink Coke...therefore I'm also a rapists...get real.

Exactly.

People who rape other people had those thoughts long before any porn was ever produced. Thus it doesnt add up.

Porn in Saudi Arabia is illegal, does that mean women dont get raped there? No, they do get raped.

Rape as a general rule is exertion of power and/or act of violence.

BackFire
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well now, predictably, she'll probably say that's what she meant and accuse me of assuming. When she clearly meant what she said.

Whatever though, if that's what she meant, she's wrong. If not, we agree. Bookal closage, shelfal storage.

-AC


Libraral closage.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by BackFire
Libraral closage.

You bastard......

Milla, why are you continuing this charade of saying that rape cannot be about sexual desire?

It's actually confusing me. It's sexual, it's a sexual ACT, it's sexual INTERCOURSE.....buuuuut it's not an act of sexual desire?

Seeing as you've dodged me again, I'll ask again:

DO you believe that rape is NEVER about sexual desire or urge and is always about power? Without exception?

-AC

lil bitchiness
Rape is an act of violence, not passion.
If you think there is anything sexual about that, then there is little i can do to.

I made my argument you made yours. You're not gonna change my mind and i dont anticipate changing youts, thats pretty much it.

Ms Flower
seems to me once I think about it...I agree it is about power....I know this because of an attempted rape I went through. it then becomes a 'sexual' act of course when the penis is inserted and ejaculates...thats gonna happen most times as it is an involuntary muscle...so it then turns into a sexual act as well...

But for the most part...its about power. I also agree that porn is NOT to blame for it in no means, for the same reason WindDancer said.

my 2 cents for what its worth stick out tongue

WindDancer
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Exactly.

People who rape other people had those thoughts long before any porn was ever produced. Thus it doesnt add up.

Porn in Saudi Arabia is illegal, does that mean women dont get raped there? No, they do get raped.

Rape as a general rule is exertion of power and/or act of violence.

You know what strikes me odd? The people that have this belief of porn being the cause of more rapes in the present. Never look back at history. I guess a hundred years ago when there were so many wars and conquering happening in the world, rape cases never happen. There was no porn back then. So it never happen. Silly isn't it?

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Rape is an act of violence, not passion.
If you think there is anything sexual about that, then there is little i can do to.

I made my argument you made yours. You're not gonna change my mind and i dont anticipate changing youts, thats pretty much it.

Stop being so cowardly as to imply that I suggested it was passion, despite me saying before that I didn't believe it was. Passion is between two lovers (or more), sexual urges don't always equate to passion. Passion is an emotion, sexual isn't. Rape is a sexual act committed through violence. It is, it is a sexual act.

I'll ask you again, lets see if you can actually answer me this time.

Do you believe that rape is AT ALL TIMES an act of POWER and not SEXUAL urge? Without exception? Despite it being catagorised as sexual and despite your 'statistic' proving you wrong? (Nobody is talking about passion.)

If you reply to one part, make it this^^^.

Please stop swerving away and altering what I say. Either admit you don't wanna answer or just admit you were wrong. I'm being civilised, you're once again being ignorant.

-AC

FeceMan
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm just interested in their methodology in coming to that conclusion. I'm betting they just asked a group of male sex offenders "Have you ever watched porn before." then when they in all likelihood received unanimous "Yes."s they went "Oh, porn must cause people to commit sex crimes."
Or they could have looked at the psychological studies done on pornography and the mind and were like, "Huh. We should probably make this illegal, but the Lefties will squall like Hurricane Katrina if we tried that. So let's just make it more difficult to get. And make phat cash while doing so."
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can porn be related to sex crimes?

Thats then saying, that before porn there were no sex crimes - which is just not true.
People who chose to watch sick things such as rape or child porn, already had those thoughts - watching normal porn didn't magically turn them into peadophiles and rapists.
Doesn't matter. Like I said, porn screws your mind up. Badly.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Thank god for red state republicans who, with no consideration for themselves, pass laws making it harder for them to access the very porn they get off to.....
Good thing we've got those crazy blue state Republicans like me to balance the equation!

Alpha Centauri
I'm really curious as to how porn "screws your mind up. Badly".

What porn are you watching?

-AC

BackFire
Proof?

FeceMan
Originally posted by BackFire
Proof?
Psych studies.

BackFire
Originally posted by FeceMan
Psych studies.

Not good enough.

Specific proof?

Lana
Originally posted by FeceMan
Psych studies.

Want to post these? Because I've come across none suggesting this.

Alpha Centauri
He's probably been watching the stereotypical, saxophone-drenched, medallion-wearing, Burt Reynolds look-alike porn movies.

That's probably why his mind is screwed up. Would explain why he's a republican also.

"Oh my GOD! Erghhh! Now I suddenly want to stop anyone getting laid!"

Idiot disclaimer: It's not trolling, I'm joking.

-AC

FeceMan
Let the search begin!

(Unfortunately, my inclination to keep my psychology book was overpowered by my inclination to keep the money that I would have to spend to do so.)

*Rummages through the Internet.*

BackFire
Yeah, you know, it's funny.

I watch porn several times a day, and I certainly don't think my mind is screwed up in anyway. In fact, dare I say, I think my mind is extremely healthy.

Lana
I've watched porn and I'm not screwed up.

It's really quite silly to think that something like that will mess someone up. Chances are, they're messed up already.

WindDancer
Originally posted by FeceMan
Doesn't matter. Like I said, porn screws your mind up. Badly.

Originally posted by BackFire
Proof?

Me!

stick out tongue

Otaku
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, you know, it's funny.

I watch porn several times a day, and I certainly don't think my mind is screwed up in anyway. In fact, dare I say, I think my mind is extremely healthy.

no expression

BackFire
Originally posted by WindDancer
Me!

stick out tongue


hahaha.

Nice. big grin

Alpha Centauri
I think everyone should just shut the hell up and focus on discussing what porn Lana watches/has watched/may be watching right now.

-AC

BackFire
Debbie Does Psych Class?

Alpha Centauri
Debbie does THE Psych Class?

-AC

BackFire
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Debbie does THE Psych Class?

-AC


Either one, but that's one awesome psych class.

FeceMan
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/chunter/porn_effects.html#other

Lana
For ****'s sake, you two....

(no pun intended)

I swear I'm never posting in any threads like this again because it's guaranteed you'll derail it after I do so stick out tongue

Alpha Centauri
I'm actually not aware who Debbie is, but I played along.

-AC

BackFire
Originally posted by FeceMan
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/chunter/porn_effects.html#other


Interesting read, though doesn't prove anything.

In fact, in the "Limited Effects" section it says "Despite Donnerstein and Linz's conclusion that violent pornography likely has some effect on negative attitudes towards women, a number of studies have found no such results."

In the "Criticism" section it even lists why the studies listed are often rejected as valid or plausable evidence that porn causes negative behavior.

Finally, in the "conclusion" it says that "just like debates about television violence or the effect of the mass media in general, there are no clear answers."

So these studies and this website, while an interesting read, does not prove that porn messes up the mind.

FeceMan
Originally posted by BackFire
Interesting read, though doesn't prove anything.

In fact, in the "Limited Effects" section it says "Despite Donnerstein and Linz's conclusion that violent pornography likely has some effect on negative attitudes towards women, a number of studies have found no such results."

In the "Criticism" section it even lists why the studies listed are often rejected as valid or plausable evidence that porn causes negative behavior.

Finally, in the "conclusion" it says that "just like debates about television violence or the effect of the mass media in general, there are no clear answers."

So these studies and this website, while an interesting read, does not prove that porn messes up the mind.
I know it doesn't prove it, though there is evidence that it may occur (this is generally with the really ****ed up porn). I purposely picked the site because of the criticisms offered.

BackFire
Originally posted by FeceMan
I know it doesn't prove it, though there is evidence that it may occur (this is generally with the really ****ed up porn). I purposely picked the site because of the criticisms offered.


The validity of the evidence is questionable. This is made obvious by the fact that the people heading up the experiments listed seemed to have an agenda right away to show that porn has negative consequences.

The True Fear
sex is natural and watching it on film which a good amount of young men,old men,old women,young women,kids who watch scrambled cable and whoever else do is not gonna make you commit a rape or else everyone would be getting raped.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because numerous studies have been conducted to suggest such.

Men who have raped other men are hetrosexual in 98% of the cases.

I am waiting for you to provide me with a study or a research which suggest that rape is not exertion of power but is done in the name of pleasure.

So you think no-one has ever raped for pleasure? Otherwise, it's a generalisation.

Forget studies. It is mostly power. It isn't always power.

Lest we forget, rape is sex where consent is absent.

If you say rape is never about sexual pleasure, then that is a generalisation, and moreover it is wrong.

Victor Von Doom
Originally posted by lil bitchiness


Rape as a general rule is exertion of power and/or act of violence.

That's the one.

soleran30
Yeah and at the end of the day a Porn Tax is a waste of tax dollars to even implement.........lol all those beaurocrats sitting around watching porns thinking.............hmm if we tax our constituents more then we can get more of these tapes to watch and put ANOTHER tax in place.....

xmarksthespot
Sexual violence is a self-explanatory term.

Maybe it's that darn 70s porn music that causes sexual deviants to do what they do, subliminal messages between the wkka booms and the wuh wuh wouunns. Some one should ddo a psych study on that...

Capt_Fantastic
What no one seems to understand is that it isn't amatter of 'what you hear'....it's a matter of 'how loudly you hear it'. We are all exposed to Marilyn Manson..but we don't all shoot up our schools. We all have the chance to play video games....but we don't kill people because of it.


We, as human beings, are exposed to a wide variety of situations, events, etc. But...what speaks to us is our own minds? The introduction of porn has no ill-effects, unless life itself was going to corrupt someone to that very point, anyway. I have heard that people are capable of great wrongs...but that doesn't mean that I'm out there killing every human soul I encounter. Those that do, were always going to do so....it's just a matter of placing blame.

Sure, you can use the excuse that "it didn't happen before". But it did, it has...and it will continue to happen. The past is irrelevant. We live in the here and now. School shootings will happen, until we ban the weapons that allow such events to take place. "From my cold dead hands"...is a nice sentiment...for Heston, but the side effect are hundreds of kids dead. Ban weapons for the average citizen, and school violence will end. What's left for them t do? Argue loudly against the fact that social cliques form...because of human nature?

long pig
Yes, yes it does.

The chances of her becoming a metal vocalist after actually hearing & slowly enjoying metal music doubles 100 fold in compairison to the chances of her becoming a metal vocalist before hearing hard rock & knowing it exists.

It's pretty simple rational that a person will be more willing to commit an act after seeing it and enjoying it than a person who didn't know that the act existed in the first place. Especially concerning pedophelia, which is governed more so by culture than by natural law.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by long pig
Yes, yes it does.

The chances of her becoming a metal vocalist after actually hearing & slowly enjoying metal music doubles 100 fold in compairison to the chances of her becoming a metal vocalist before hearing hard rock & knowing it exists.

It's pretty simple rational that a person will be more willing to commit an act after seeing it and enjoying it than a person who didn't know that the act existed in the first place. Especially concerning pedophelia, which is governed more so by culture than by natural law.

That's all wrong though isn't? Because someone could see a murder being committed and enjoy it, yet still be afraid of the consequences enough to not do it. It's like women who have sexual fantasies, for some reason, about rape. I doubt they actually want it to happen just because they enjoy a certain aspect of the idea.

Pete Townshend was revealed to have child material on his comp, the man is no abductor. He said himself that he'd never dream of going out, kidnapping a kid and hurting him or her.

-AC

BackFire
Heh, you guys should see the movie Happiness, gives an interesting and honest portrayal of a pedophile in that film, one of two movies I've seen that don't demonize them, shows them in a sympathetic light rather then a spiteful one.

Alpha Centauri
When they're shown in ANY light other than a demonic one, it's considered an outrage.

Yet the Brass Eye paedophila special is one of the funniest programmes you'll ever watch.

-AC

long pig
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's all wrong though isn't? Because someone could see a murder being committed and enjoy it, yet still be afraid of the consequences enough to not do it. It's like women who have sexual fantasies, for some reason, about rape. I doubt they actually want it to happen just because they enjoy a certain aspect of the idea.

Pete Townshend was revealed to have child material on his comp, the man is no abductor. He said himself that he'd never dream of going out, kidnapping a kid and hurting him or her.

-AC

Well, obviously there are exceptions to everything.

The point I was trying to make without coming off as anti-porn was the idea that Porn desensitized a great deal of the people who watch it to the act of "normal" sex, and in doing so, they try to find more and more devious porn to give them the same thrill that they had when they first saw a naked chick. Which could, and has, lead to enjoying child pornography.

Then, I connected the two by saying that some of those people who were bored with normal porn, and then turned on to kiddie porn would become more and more comfortable about the idea of pedo sex. And since having sex with minors is more culturally taboo than naturally taboo, it won't take too much for this to happen.

KharmaDog
Originally posted by long pig
Porno does indeed **** your mind up.

No a mind that's already f*cked up may get even more so by not grasping the reality of what he/she is watching.

Originally posted by long pig
Seriously, though, porn really has no positives.

As many people have previously stated. Porn can often assuage the desires of someone be they deviant desires or not.

Originally posted by long pig
If you watch enough weird kiddy porn or whatever is sick at the moment, it will become more and more natural to you, thus making the act less and less offensive. Which might lead to real life acts

Who said anything about kiddie porn? When did that jump occur? Are you saying watching adult porn leads to kiddie porn? That is an entirely different debate (which you would most likely loose). You are aware that paedophilia is defined as a sexual attraction or preference for children. Adult porn does not encourage paedophilia, people who want to find kidde porn go looking for kiddie porn.

Originally posted by long pig
I know where you're coming from, but it's pretty much common sense that porn can lead you astray. It has no positives.

Well, people have told you the positives, and though there are also negatives (i.e. negative self image or stereotyping) saying that porn can leave you astray and has no positives is a general statement with little evidence to hold it up. Because it is your opinion does not make it fact.

Originally posted by long pig
If at first you're curious about kiddy porn, but still have the cultural disgust toward it, you won't even think about acting it out.
But, if you watch kiddy porn, it slowly rusts away the natural/cultural disgust, making the act more and more acceptible to you.
Which hightens the chances you are going to attempt it.


Here you go again with kiddie porn. I have a feeling you have some unresolved issues.

Originally posted by long pig
No, it's saying before there were porn, there were less sex crimes, which is true.

Where are your facts on this? Where are you getting this information? There are more sex crimes now because there are more people to commit them.

Originally posted by long pig
Of course, there always has been porn, but never the amount there is today.


This is the only valid thing you have said so far.


Originally posted by long pig
The chances of her becoming a metal vocalist after actually hearing & slowly enjoying metal music doubles 100 fold in compairison to the chances of her becoming a metal vocalist before hearing hard rock & knowing it exists.

So you are comparing the effects of media stimulus on the career desires of a child to the progressive development of someone watching adult porn to preferring kiddie porn to committing acts of paedophilia? Sounds rational....no, wait, it doesn't sound rational at all!

Originally posted by long pig
It's pretty simple rational that a person will be more willing to commit an act after seeing it and enjoying it than a person who didn't know that the act existed in the first place. Especially concerning pedophelia, which is governed more so by culture than by natural law.

It may be simple to you, but the more I read, the more I question your rational.


Originally posted by long pig
Well, obviously there are exceptions to everything.

The point I was trying to make without coming off as anti-porn was the idea that Porn desensitized a great deal of the people who watch it to the act of "normal" sex, and in doing so, they try to find more and more devious porn to give them the same thrill that they had when they first saw a naked chick. Which could, and has, lead to enjoying child pornography.

Then, I connected the two by saying that some of those people who were bored with normal porn, and then turned on to kiddie porn would become more and more comfortable about the idea of pedo sex. And since having sex with minors is more culturally taboo than naturally taboo, it won't take too much for this to happen.

So basically what you are basing your entire argument on are the exceptions? It seems that you have lightened your stance from " Porno does indeed **** your mind up." to "
The point I was trying to make without coming off as anti-porn".

I have a question for you. There's a cannabis leaf in your avatar. Do you smoke? If you do won't that lead to you doing coke or heroin?

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by long pig
The point I was trying to make without coming off as anti-porn was the idea that Porn desensitized a great deal of the people who watch it to the act of "normal" sex, and in doing so, they try to find more and more devious porn to give them the same thrill that they had when they first saw a naked chick. Which could, and has, lead to enjoying child pornography.

Hahaha, I get it now. You're just confused. See, you're using is the theory of addiction and craving which would apply to a chemical dependancy and the need for a heightened rush. Not a sexual one. You want the drugs thread, it's down there on aisle 5.

Originally posted by long pig
Then, I connected the two by saying that some of those people who were bored with normal porn, and then turned on to kiddie porn would become more and more comfortable about the idea of pedo sex.

Yes I know you connected the two. Judging by the sheer nonsense of the above quite, I hope we both realise that connecting them was wrong.

Originally posted by long pig
And since having sex with minors is more culturally taboo than naturally taboo, it won't take too much for this to happen.

What are you basing all this on?

-AC

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by long pig
No, it's saying before there were porn, there were less sex crimes, which is true.

Of course, there always has been porn, but never the amount there is today.

In what context are we speaking? Technically speaking, by population ratios sex crimes are less common now in modern society where such things are more defined by the law and it's less likely one will get away with it - history is full of raping, child abuse and so forth - nothing to do with porn really, and far more common then, then now.

One example is the fact Rome was founded in a way that today would be considered rape on a massive scale - nothing to do with pornography, just the culture of the time and the proto-Romans "right" do take the women of there defeated enemies as there own.

Still, porn doesn't appeal to me, but I don't believe in deamonising genres based on what a weak willed few do - the ones who say "I killed because the TV said so" or "I raped because some porno made it seem alright."

And meh, they can tax it, everything else gets taxed, why not this?

soleran30
How has Pron desensitized us as a culture........back in the 1800's you weren't cool unless you had like 10 kids running around.......I'd say something was going on.......Brothels all over the place!

tabby999
i dont think you actually made point or asked a real question in that

Victor Von Doom
It was what I like to call a mental ejaculation.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by soleran30
How has Pron desensitized us as a culture........back in the 1800's you weren't cool unless you had like 10 kids running around.......I'd say something was going on.......Brothels all over the place!


It's difficult to explain, but it's a conspiracy worthy of Deano. Tiny shrimp trying to take over the world. Oh, and it's spelled 'prawn'.

tabby999
yeah Forest Gump tried to kill as many shrimp as he could before they took over the world, but he wasn't good enough...tis a shame

Victor Von Doom
Seamen catch prawns; in porn... I'm sure we all get the gist.

Or do we, I never know anymore.

tabby999
they catch porn at sea...well thats an eye opener

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