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I'd give it to Depa.

Cin.

Cin but it won't be easy.

I'm not sure about Depa's force ability or lightsabre prowess, but in a basic sabre fight, wouldn't Cin win it? I mean, he was a jedi trainer and duelist, and came across as being a good duelist from the visual dictionaries and that.

I don't know. Cin's the saber instructor but Depa uses Vaapad so dueling skills are probably about tied. Don't know about Force skills, Cin'd older thus has probably had more experience but Depa's on the Council so those are probably about tied, too. But I don't think Cin would've gone to the Dark Side as easily as Depa did so I'll say Cin. But it'd be very close.

Doesn't Cin have alot of force powers that help him in dueling, like Yoda , using the force to make him faster, stronger, more agile and whatnot? I remember hearing/ reading that somewhere.

I think that Cin is a better duelist, even against Deppa's vaapad, I think he would win.

cin would win IMAO. For all we know about these two lets call there force skill equal. I think that cin's saber skill would surpass that of depa since he was always considered one of the greatest duelest other than Mace, yoda, and perhaps obi and anakin (the only reason anakin killed him was to show the power of the darkside. it was overdone. Also there may have been a ring of 50 troopers around them.)

Hmm. Mace said in Shatterpoint that he might be the only Jedi being able to defeat Depa in a lightsaber duel. Cin is good in lightsaber fights but I don't think he's as good as Depa (the only person except Mace that ever mastered Vaapad).

For force powers I don't know but considering the fact that Depa was a member of the Council and Cin is said to be on council level I think they're about equal.

I'd give it to Depa because she seems to be the better duellist.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Hmm. Mace said in Shatterpoint that he might be the only Jedi being able to defeat Depa in a lightsaber duel. Cin is good in lightsaber fights but I don't think he's as good as Depa (the only person except Mace that ever mastered Vaapad).

For force powers I don't know but considering the fact that Depa was a member of the Council and Cin is said to be on council level I think they're about equal.

I'd give it to Depa because she seems to be the better duellist.
1) Yeah, well, for one thing you can't really take what Shatterpoint said about Mace being the only Jedi able to defeat Depa. If Mace can Yoda definately can, whioch makes that statement false, meaning some other Jedi may be able to as well. And did Depa really master Vaapad? Cause I was under the impression that she mastered it in the same way Sora did. And if I'm not mistaken Cin is said to be on Council level in terms of saber skills.

I agree with you that Mace isent the only one that can beat Depa in saber combat but I still think she would beat Cin. Sure he was a really good swordsman but the only persons ever said to have bested Mace in combat is Yoda and Dooku, not Cin, and Depa was a match for Mace, she beated him although he wasent aiming to kill her it was still skillfully done by her. And being on the Councils level in saber combat doesent speak for every member since there are big differences (Mace, Coleman).

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah, well, for one thing you can't really take what Shatterpoint said about Mace being the only Jedi able to defeat Depa. If Mace can Yoda definately can, whioch makes that statement false, meaning some other Jedi may be able to as well. And did Depa really master Vaapad? Cause I was under the impression that she mastered it in the same way Sora did. And if I'm not mistaken Cin is said to be on Council level in terms of saber skills.

a)
If a Jedi in the PT says that only he can do something that automatically means "he and Yoda". Yes. Yoda would be able to defeat Depa but if Mace says that only him is able to do so he basically means he can do it, Yoda could do it and nobody else could do it. And you are the first person here who should take this words literary considering the fact that you used statements like that to establish something as a fact (e.g. Dooku talking about people who can defeat Grievous).

b)
Sora Bulq never mastered Vaapad and this is told by Mace in Shatterpoint and he mentioned Depa as the only other person that ever mastered the style. So she mastered Vaapad the same way Mace did it.

Originally posted by kamikz
I agree with you that Mace isent the only one that can beat Depa in saber combat but I still think she would beat Cin. Sure he was a really good swordsman but the only persons ever said to have bested Mace in combat is Yoda and Dooku, not Cin, and Depa was a match for Mace, she beated him although he wasent aiming to kill her it was still skillfully done by her. And being on the Councils level in saber combat doesent speak for every member since there are big differences (Mace, Coleman).

Depa a match for Mace? hahaha! Reread the book. By the time Mace fought her, he was already the bearer of several broken bones and had just fought a bunch of Akk Guards. Even after all of that, he still beat her easily. She tried to stab him in the back, and did, but he still beat her enough to send her into a coma.

Lol ok, just heard by someone in this forum that she beat him and was a better swordsman, I'm reading the book but ain't there yet. Ok, thanks Glentract.

Sorry for giving away the ending. I figured you had read it. Sorry.

Ah no prob, I kinda knew anyway. Hey what's the deal in the beginning of the book, Mace get's his ass kicked by a couple of thugs and gets saved by this Nick.

He saber ran out of power and he was hit by two stun bolts. It was impressive that he was still standing, much less fought several thugs.

i havent evn gotten the book yet.....o well, accidents happen

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He saber ran out of power and he was hit by two stun bolts. It was impressive that he was still standing, much less fought several thugs.

If he was a real man he wouldn't have even got hit.... I'm just kidding, I don't know the circumstances, I just like to poke fun at Mace when I can. He kinda pisses me off.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
He kinda pisses me off.

Why? Are you mad he didn't get sent Agricorps? lol.

I'm just kidding. That's mean.

He's just all high and mighty.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Depa a match for Mace? hahaha! Reread the book. By the time Mace fought her, he was already the bearer of several broken bones and had just fought a bunch of Akk Guards. Even after all of that, he still beat her easily. She tried to stab him in the back, and did, but he still beat her enough to send her into a coma.

What the hell, Glentract ? Are you writing novels on your own now or what ?

a)
Mace didn't even try to fight her because he didn't want to hurt her.

b)
She put the lightsaber through his abdomen and not his back. They were fighting but Mace was holding back and because of that he received that hit.

c)
She realized what she had done and tried to kill herself by putting her lightsaber against her head and ignite it but she was hindered by Nick who shot the lightsaber out of her hand. And then she simply felt into that coma.

So neither did Mace try to defeat / kill her nor did he do it. And he was NOT responsible for her coma.

Are you just gunning for me now?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Are you just gunning for me now?

As long as you laugh about other peoples opinions, tell them they should reread things and then throw completly wrong information in here effectively contradicting everything that was stated in the actual source - Yes.

And you're a person who tells people they don't read things to begin with, is near constantly sarcastic in an abusive manner, bashes people's opinions and lies about facts. How does that give you reason to attack someone else?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
And you're a person who tells people they don't read things to begin with

Not people. I told you that you obviously haven't read one particular source, after asking me to give you the exact location of a statement in it.



Yes. I'm constantly insulting people here. In fact I do nothing else the entire day. That's the reason why I'm still here instead of being banned. Was that you who called me an "idiot" and a "loser", Glentract ?



Sure. I was the one coming in here "Depa a match for Mace ? HAHAHAHA !" No. Damn. It was you...so who's "bashing" people's opinions here ?



Where have I lied about "facts" ? Was I throwing lies in here or was that you ?



Again. Not "someone else". You. Reason: Your turning from a cool guy into an annoying liar after attending a debate class. Enough reason for you ? If not I can mail you an essay about "Why I don't like arrogant 14 year olds - the Dark Side of the puberty".

Do we really need to get another thread going where we simply trade disagrements all day?

Originally posted by Borbarad
Not people. I told you that you obviously haven't read one particular source, after asking me to give you the exact location of a statement in it.

Let me quote you on that then. "And why should I give you page numbers since you don't bother to read, hmm ?"

Originally posted by Borbarad
Yes. I'm constantly insulting people here. In fact I do nothing else the entire day. That's the reason why I'm still here instead of being banned. Was that you who called me an "idiot" and a "loser", Glentract ?

Insulting through sarcasm. That won't get you banned. You still do it.

Also, I never called you an idiot. I don't know where you got that from.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Sure. I was the one coming in here "Depa a match for Mace ? HAHAHAHA !" No. Damn. It was you...so who's "bashing" people's opinions here ?

You don't know all of the facts. It was in jest that I said that. I don't randomly post bashing people.

Let's see. You don't go around bashing people opinions? I'll quote you on this too, "What the hell, Glentract ? Are you writing novels on your own now or what ?"

When I bashed, it was in jest, what you're doing is not.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Where have I lied about "facts" ? Was I throwing lies in here or was that you ?

Re-read everything you typed in the Kyp vs. Kyle and Kyp vs. Dooku threads and you will see at least one thing that you claim to be true, but is not.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Again. Not "someone else". You. Reason: Your turning from a cool guy into an annoying liar after attending a debate class. Enough reason for you ? If not I can mail you an essay about "Why I don't like arrogant 14 year olds - the Dark Side of the puberty".

So were are the same person? I am not someone else from you?

Go ahead, send me an email with that nice little essay in it. I'd appreciate the chance to read it.

Lies about facts?

That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

Or rational noob.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Let me quote you on that then. "And why should I give you page numbers since you don't bother to read, hmm ?"

Yes. After I've given you the location of some statements in the book and you - instead of reread it - just came back with your "But the Essential Guide..." stuff. So why should I bother to search for things again ?



You're insulting me directly where I'm not doing it and you're complaining about me ?



What a justification. I'm on a jest here every second I post.



You call that "bashing your opinion" ?



Poor little Glentract. Nobody understands you when you go into a thread like you did it. Save that excuses for your grandma.



No. You're a 14 year old child trying to sound smart. I'm a 23 year old arrogant egomaniac who's permanently using sarcasm where you don't even know what that word means - so obviously we're not the same person.



I'll do it right after having get myself an e-mail address at pointlesswasteoftime.com

Originally posted by Borbarad
a)
If a Jedi in the PT says that only he can do something that automatically means "he and Yoda". Yes. Yoda would be able to defeat Depa but if Mace says that only him is able to do so he basically means he can do it, Yoda could do it and nobody else could do it. And you are the first person here who should take this words literary considering the fact that you used statements like that to establish something as a fact (e.g. Dooku talking about people who can defeat Grievous).

b)
Sora Bulq never mastered Vaapad and this is told by Mace in Shatterpoint and he mentioned Depa as the only other person that ever mastered the style. So she mastered Vaapad the same way Mace did it.
a) Got any proof to go with that? And several members use statements in books to establish facts, particularly the Dooku talking about who can beat grievous one. And I'm not foolish enough to think of Depa as stronger than any Jedi but Mace and Yoda.
b) Allright, so she mastered it better than Sora. But no one has mastered it like Mace.
c) listen to Glentract

And screw Borbarad. He's being a moron.

Unnecessary doesn't begin to describe this. . .

Originally posted by darthsith19
a) Got any proof to go with that? And several members use statements in books to establish facts, particularly the Dooku talking about who can beat grievous one.


What do you want to tell me ? Dooku's statement about who can defeat Grievous ? Did you realize that he didn't mention Anakin despite the fact Nick Gillard and Lucas himself said that Anakin is stronger than Obi-Wan. So Anakin can't defeat Grievous ? So because not mentioning Anakin that statement from Dooku is generally false (according to your own logic).




If she's nearly equal to Mace in terms of lightsaber combat (and this is mentioned in Shatterpoint on several ocassions) and considering the fact that only Yoda himself and Dooku ever bested Mace in lightsaber combat than Depa is most likely the third best lightsaber fighter the order had during the time of Shatterpoint (a few months after AotC). What's so unbelievable here ?



Sora didn't master it. Depa is not exactly as good as Mace but she is the only other person that did master Vaapad at all. And she's at least very close to Mace. Any proof that the same thing counts for Cin ?



The only thing Glentract has said about the fight was:



And this is simply wrong.



lmao. This coming from you ? Nice joke.

Originally posted by Borbarad
lmao. This coming from you ? Nice joke.

I don't know. He's been an okay guy recently, unlike some other people around here.

Me?

Actually DS19, but you're good to(if having someone you've never met in person say that matters to you).

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Actually DS19, but you're good to(if having someone you've never met in person say that matters to you).
Thanks Glentract, I think your cool to. And I don't mind Janus quite as much as I used to

Good too as in bad or bieng a nice person?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Thanks Glentract, I think your cool to. And I don't mind Janus quite as much as I used to

You don't, eh? You're thick skinned, darthsith... I'll give you that. I'll be honest, you don't bug me half as much as you used to. At least you have cohesive sentences. Now in the Games Versus Forum...

*Shudder*

I have evidence that Cin was wasted by Anakin.

A long time ago, I kept saying that Anakin wasted Cin with only evidence from the security recording and the novelization. Well, I have more now. In DN2, The Unseen Queen, Artoo plays back the security recording to Luke and Han(Artoo recorded it in the confusion) and is shows Anakin killing Cin in a very short fight, only a few seconds(ten or so).

wasnt dark nest made before ROTS

And again, the condition of the fight?

Anakin also hacked off Mace's arm and Dooku's hands, and yet in a non PIS situation he would die horribly to either of them.

Cin Drallig was under siege. As Senator Organa said, there were thousands of clone troopers attacking the building. Flames could be seen for miles. I could probably kill jedi in that situation.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
wasnt dark nest made before ROTS

No, it just came out a few days ago.


Janus, Cin wasn't alone in fighting those Clones in all of the attack. Anakin walked up to him, engaged him, and killed him. Cin was no longer under fire from Clones when he fought Anakin.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
You don't, eh? You're thick skinned, darthsith... I'll give you that. I'll be honest, you don't bug me half as much as you used to. At least you have cohesive sentences. Now in the Games Versus Forum...

*Shudder*
Hh, ha, so there's people in the games versus section that bug you more than I do. Wow.


DN2? A Video Game? Well, if we're going to use Video Games as proof Cin did real well against Anakin in the ROTS video game. And when I watched ROTS on DVD yesterday and saw again the small and short duel between Cin and Anakin, well, for the short 2 seconds they were dueling Cin didn't seem to be doing half bad. But then again, Anaklin was using one arm

It's a video game???

Its a novel.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
It's a video game???
Um, maybe not. Sounds like it, though. It's new, though, and I don't really know anything about it. That's why I said it was with a question mark. Cause I wasn't sure myself.

Kinda stupid that a new book that takes place post NJO would concern a recording of Cin Drallig.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
Its a novel.
Okay, still.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Kinda stupid that a new book that takes place post NJO would concern a recording of Cin Drallig.

The point was for Luke to see Anakin killing the Jedi.