Is Superman the ultimate Superhero?

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FistOfThe North
I think he is..I Know he is.

JediMasterLuke5
yes

TMACalicious
Yes. Respect to the Man of Steel! Respect! *thumps chest*

Cosmic Cube
All around, as a Superhero, he is the best. He's the definition of the word.

brainchild81
There was a special about this on Bravo. Spidey won. He's the ultimate. Supes was second, but that's really Batman's spot IMO

Bardock42
I guess he is a Role Model for "Superheroes" . He probably is what people consider as a Superheroe first.

Spiderman and Batman are at least as great heroes but they are not the "Superhero" role models.

Mindship
When was the last time you heard...

"This is a job for Thor/Batman/Spiderman/SilverSurfer/Flash/Hulk/Wolverine/Storm/
WonderWoman/GreenLantern/etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.....?"

Nada zip zero goose eggs nyet lo etc etc etc etc

Only one name fits the bill...only one name ever will fit the bill.

Don't mess with the "S"

Bardock42
Originally posted by Mindship
When was the last time you heard...

"This is a job for Thor/Batman/Spiderman/SilverSurfer/Flash/Hulk/Wolverine/Storm/
WonderWoman/GreenLantern/etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.....?"

Nada zip zero goose eggs nyet lo etc etc etc etc

Only one name fits the bill...only one name ever will fit the bill.

Don't mess with the "S"

When was the last time you heard "Holy Macaroni Superman ....To the Supermobile" when was the last time you heard "Let those who worship evils might, beware my power Supermans light" when was the last time you heard "I am the Fastest Man Alive, I am Superman" when was the last time you heard "I am your friendly neighbourhood super" ...but anyways....you are right stick out tongue

brainchild81
Originally posted by Mindship
When was the last time you heard...

"This is a job for Thor/Batman/Spiderman/SilverSurfer/Flash/Hulk/Wolverine/Storm/
WonderWoman/GreenLantern/etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.....?"

Nada zip zero goose eggs nyet lo etc etc etc etc

Only one name fits the bill...only one name ever will fit the bill.

Don't mess with the "S" I haven't heard anybody say that for Supes in a while either. I have heard various people say my Spidey sense is tingling and nowadays whenever a list is printed Spidey's on top more often than not. Many of today's kids don't even know Supes, but they all know Spidey and most know Batman

Bardock42
Originally posted by brainchild81
I haven't heard anybody say that for Supes in a while either. I have heard various people say my Spidey sense is tingling and nowadays whenever a list is printed Spidey's on top more often than not. Many of today's kids don't even know Supes, but they all know Spidey and most know Batman

Wow...that'S a little far fetched...who doiesn't know The Supes? .....anyways...if it should actually be that way it will change with the new movie.....

I heard that Spidey and Batsy are top though..at least over here in Germany....but that's not the question..the question is if you have to name the ultimate superheroe...who would represent that picture...and I'd have to go with Supes....or maybe Cap but he's not as famous...

Draco69
Who doesn't know Superman? PLEASE. The Superman signia is #3 (just behind the friggin crucifix) of the most recognizable symbols in the world. EVERYONE knows who Superman is. With the success of the movies, Spider-Man's popularity has grown significantly. But seriously, when a person in the friggin Amazon jungle knows Superman, you're getting a grasp of just how popular this guy is.

brainchild81
I'm not saying nobody knows Supes, seriously though go to a poor neighborhood where few people have cable and ask the kids who Superman is. Some kids might even say "You mean Spider-Man?" Then ask them who Spider-Man is.Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow...that'S a little far fetched...who doiesn't know The Supes? .....anyways...if it should actually be that way it will change with the new movie.....

I heard that Spidey and Batsy are top though..at least over here in Germany....but that's not the question..the question is if you have to name the ultimate superheroe...who would represent that picture...and I'd have to go with Supes....or maybe Cap but he's not as famous... How would you define ultimate?

Mindship
Originally posted by Draco69
Who doesn't know Superman? PLEASE. The Superman signia is #3 (just behind the friggin crucifix) of the most recognizable symbols in the world. EVERYONE knows who Superman is. With the success of the movies, Spider-Man's popularity has grown significantly. But seriously, when a person in the friggin Amazon jungle knows Superman, you're getting a grasp of just how popular this guy is.

I've said this on previous threads, I'll say it again: You can go anywhere in the civilized world, tie a towel around your neck, and everyone will know who you are referring to.

Remember that commercial not too long ago: the grainy film of a little boy with said towel and a caption going, "No one ever grew up wanting to be Moneyman."

The prefix "super" is all over the place. When was the last time you went into McDonald's and said "Batsize me"?

Look, he aint everyone's cup of tea, and I'll be the first to say that costume leaves a great deal to be desired. But he is The Icon for the genre, like Sherlock Holmes is for detectives, James Bond for spies, Tarzan for jungle dudes, Godzilla for giant monsters, Dracula for vampires. Even Aunt May, in advising her nephew said, "You're not Superman, you know."

And you thought Batman and Wolverine fans were bad... stick out tongue

Bardock42
Originally posted by brainchild81
I'm not saying nobody knows Supes, seriously though go to a poor neighborhood where few people have cable and ask the kids who Superman is. Some kids might even say "You mean Spider-Man?" Then ask them who Spider-Man is. How would you define ultimate?
I probably say the idealtype of a Hero just Super....now Spiderman isn't really the common hero..neither is Batman ...oh and i think a prerequisite is not to have a comic named "Ultimate......." stick out tongue

Draco69
Originally posted by brainchild81
I'm not saying nobody knows Supes, seriously though go to a poor neighborhood where few people have cable and ask the kids who Superman is. Some kids might even say "You mean Spider-Man?" Then ask them who Spider-Man is.

Unfortunately I call bullsh**. I've been (study abroad) to POOR neighborhoods in Eastern Asia that would make any American "poor" neighborhood look like a West Hollywood condo resident. They all know who Superman is. Hell they even know his origin. You can't compare Spider-Man to Superman in terms of popularity. It simply isn't even close.

As I said the Superman siginia is number THREE in the most recognizable symbols in the world. That means damn near everybody on this planet knows who Superman is. Even in the most downtrodden, uncivilized areas on Earth. Seriously. When a Amazonian child wearing nothing but leaves and tree bark, spending a majority of his life hunting and fishing, knows who and what Superman is, we get a grasp of how popular this guy is. Spider-Man is just pop culture icon limited to a few select areas.

Draco69
Originally posted by Mindship
I've said this on previous threads, I'll say it again: You can go anywhere in the civilized world, tie a towel around your neck, and everyone will know who you are referring to.

Remember that commercial not too long ago: the grainy film of a little boy with said towel and a caption going, "No one ever grew up wanting to be Moneyman."

The prefix "super" is all over the place. When was the last time you went into McDonald's and said "Batsize me"?

Look, he aint everyone's cup of tea, and I'll be the first to say that costume leaves a great deal to be desired. But he is The Icon for the genre, like Sherlock Holmes is for detectives, James Bond for spies, Tarzan for jungle dudes, Godzilla for giant monsters, Dracula for vampires. Even Aunt May, in advising her nephew said, "You're not Superman, you know."

And you thought Batman and Wolverine fans were bad... stick out tongue

yes

JediMasterLuke5
Originally posted by brainchild81
There was a special about this on Bravo. Spidey won. He's the ultimate. Supes was second, but that's really Batman's spot IMO
But one the top 200 pop icons of all time Superman was #2 and Spiderman was like in the 160's.

brainchild81
Originally posted by Draco69
Unfortunately I call bullsh**. I've been (study abroad) to POOR neighborhoods in Eastern Asia that would make any American "poor" neighborhood look like a West Hollywood condo resident. They all know who Superman is. Hell they even know his origin. You can't compare Spider-Man to Superman in terms of popularity. It simply isn't even close.

As I said the Superman siginia is number THREE in the most recognizable symbols in the world. That means damn near everybody on this planet knows who Superman is. Even in the most downtrodden, uncivilized areas on Earth. Seriously. When a Amazonian child wearing nothing but leaves and tree bark, spending a majority of his life hunting and fishing, knows who and what Superman is, we get a grasp of how popular this guy is. Spider-Man is just pop culture icon limited to a few select areas. Spidey's pretty much worldwide now thanks to those mega hit movies. Also, you are mistaking well known for being popular. Supes could possibly be more well known than Spidey, but more popular? Nah boss. Maybe a looong time ago, but definately not now. Outside of the people who read his comics, no one really cares about Supes like that anymore. Let's see how his movie does. Supes is usually duking it out w/Batman for the #2 spot. Spidey's the king now. This isn't the most accurate list, but Spidey'd never be found an a list like this maxim 25
Spidey was also Wizard Magazine's greatest of all time. Bats was #2.Originally posted by Mindship
Even Aunt May, in advising her nephew said, "You're not Superman, you know."
Showing us how mentioning him is an instant punchline

Mindship
More instances...

In "Matrix Reloaded," who do they compare Neo to when he's flying?
"He's doing his (all together now) Superman thing."
(implying, of course, that 200 years in the future, Big Blue is still well-known).

In "The Iron Giant," when the robot is about to sacrifice itself against a nuke to save a town, whom does it imagine itself to be?
"...(all together now)...Superman..."

Spiderman and Batman are great characters: Spiderman is my number #4 fave (years ago was number #1), and Batman...I love how he uses his brains to defeat much more powerful opponents (including the Big "S"wink. But even They tip their hats (masks?) to (all together now)...

Though I do concede: there is this batman but none for TMoS.

((The_Anomaly))
brainchild81

your kidding right? seriously? you have to be kidding...

are you trying to say that spiderman is more known then superman? wtf is going on in your head man...seriously, its completely retarded what you are saying.

"kids dont know who superman is" hahahaha! thats bull man, complete bull. EVERYONE knows who superman is, everyone. superman is beyond a superhero, he is a symbol. spiderman is just a very popular comic book hero and just recently a very popular movie hero. but superman is a symbol, not even a character anymore, the character is second to his symbolic presence. as said, if superman "S" is in the same league as the crucifix then its pretty F**in known...lol

spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything. stop kidding yourself, cause seriously people are gonna laugh at you if you keep saying what your saying.

Draco69
Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey's pretty much worldwide now thanks to those mega hit movies. Also, you are mistaking well known for being popular. Supes could possibly be more well known than Spidey, but more popular? Nah boss. Maybe a looong time ago, but definately not now. Outside of the people who read his comics, no one really cares about Supes like that anymore. Let's see how his movie does. Supes is usually duking it out w/Batman for the #2 spot. Spidey's the king now. This isn't the most accurate list, but Spidey'd never be found an a list like

Once again, you're letting your fanboyism for Spidey and distaste for Supes get in the way of LOGIC. You HONESTLY believe Spider-Man is more popular than Spider-Man? PFFT! roll eyes (sarcastic)

Wow.

Oh and did you plainly forget the Superman movies that came out back in the sixties? For god's sake the goddamn actor who PLAYED Superman is treated with reverance.

Originally posted by brainchild81
maxim 25

Oh yes, a soft-core porn magazine for tweens is great evidence. You want me to break out Newsweek and Time magazine?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey was also Wizard Magazine's greatest of all time. Bats was #2. Showing us how mentioning him is an instant punchline

Opinion. I'm simply arguing against your ridiculous notion that Spider-Man is more well-known than Superman.

Which is like saying Kabbalah is the most prevalent religion in the world. sick

Draco69
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
brainchild81

your kidding right? seriously? you have to be kidding...

are you trying to say that spiderman is more known then superman? wtf is going on in your head man...seriously, its completely retarded what you are saying.

"kids dont know who superman is" hahahaha! thats bull man, complete bull. EVERYONE knows who superman is, everyone. superman is beyond a superhero, he is a symbol. spiderman is just a very popular comic book hero and just recently a very popular movie hero. but superman is a symbol, not even a character anymore, the character is second to his symbolic presence. as said, if superman "S" is in the same league as the crucifix then its pretty F**in known...lol

spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything. stop kidding yourself, cause seriously people are gonna laugh at you if you keep saying what your saying.

Name-calling aside....

yes

brainchild81
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
brainchild81

your kidding right? seriously? you have to be kidding...

are you trying to say that spiderman is more known then superman? wtf is going on in your head man...seriously, its completely retarded what you are saying.

"kids dont know who superman is" hahahaha! thats bull man, complete bull. EVERYONE knows who superman is, everyone. superman is beyond a superhero, he is a symbol. spiderman is just a very popular comic book hero and just recently a very popular movie hero. but superman is a symbol, not even a character anymore, the character is second to his symbolic presence. as said, if superman "S" is in the same league as the crucifix then its pretty F**in known...lol

spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything. stop kidding yourself, cause seriously people are gonna laugh at you if you keep saying what your saying. laughing let them laugh. I wipe my a$$ w/what people here think of me to be honest w/you. I didn't notice any name calling. That's good, we're all having a civilized discussion here. Supes might indeed be more well known than Spidey, but I seriously doubt he's more well liked. I've not been abroad enough to know what people think about him, but in America(Supes homeland, what matters most to him) Spidey runs this s**t!!!!! Seriously, when you see kids in your city wearing shirts w/superheroes on them, who do you see? Ask these kids who their favorite superhero is. It's most likely gonna be Spidey. When not, it's usually Batman, @ least that's how it is here in P-town. There's actually Spider-Man graffiti 'round my old way. Again people I'm talking about popularity, not how well known you are. Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by Mindship
More instances...

In "Matrix Reloaded," who do they compare Neo to when he's flying?
"He's doing his (all together now) Superman thing."
(implying, of course, that 200 years in the future, Big Blue is still well-known).

In "The Iron Giant," when the robot is about to sacrifice itself against a nuke to save a town, whom does it imagine itself to be?
"...(all together now)...Superman..."

Spiderman and Batman are great characters: Spiderman is my number #4 fave (years ago was number #1), and Batman...I love how he uses his brains to defeat much more powerful opponents (including the Big "S"wink. But even They tip their hats (masks?) to (all together now)...

Though I do concede: there is this batman but none for TMoS.

How dare you forget the scene in the goonies! laughing
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Draco69
Originally posted by brainchild81
laughing let them laugh. I wipe my a$$ w/what people here think of me to be honest w/you. I didn't notice any name calling. That's good, we're all having a civilized discussion here.

I agree. Namecalling isn't needed...and leds to 100-page+ arguements.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Supes might indeed be more well known than Spidey

Replace "might" with IS. AGAIN, the Superman signia is DIRECTLY behind the CRUXFIX. The HOLY CROSS. That's how well-known he is. Spider-Man has some popularity in the Western civilization but in the REST of the world? Please. He's just a guy swinging around with Silly Putty.

Originally posted by brainchild81
but I seriously doubt he's more well liked. I've not been abroad enough to know what people think about him, but in America(Supes homeland, what matters most to him) Spidey runs this s**t!!!!! Seriously, when you see kids in your city wearing shirts w/superheroes on them, who do you see? Ask these kids who their favorite superhero is. It's most likely gonna be Spidey. When not, it's usually Batman, @ least that's how it is here in P-town. There's actually Spider-Man graffiti 'round my old way.

Honey. This is what is called ethnocentrism. In your "hood" Spider-Man may be the biggest thing. But in the rest of the world, no way in hell. In Japan, Superman is the most popular superhero. There DOZENS of parodies based on him. The most well-known being Goku. In Africa, Superman is nearly a religous idol. Children see him as a symbol of hope against the despair in their horrible lives. In the friggin United Nations, the UNITED NATIONS, there is plaque dedicated to Superman. No other superhero has ever had such a cultural, societal, political and psychological impact as Superman. Millions of books have been written in the study of Superman mythology. Hell, there graduate studies on Superman.

Enough already. You don't have to like Superman. But to undergrade his relevance to the world is just low and petty.

And here's a sidenote, if Superman had NEVER existed, Spider-Man wouldn't either. And we certainly wouldn't be posting here.


Originally posted by brainchild81
Again people I'm talking about popularity, not how well known you are. Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.

No. He isn't. And he never will be. What's next on your agenda? Saying Brahman is more popular than Jesus? Cause that's a direct analogy to this arguement.

brainchild81
Originally posted by Draco69
I agree. Namecalling isn't needed...and leds to 100-page+ arguements.



Replace "might" with IS. AGAIN, the Superman signia is DIRECTLY behind the CRUXFIX. The HOLY CROSS. That's how well-known he is. Spider-Man has some popularity in the Western civilization but in the REST of the world? Please. He's just a guy swinging around with Silly Putty.



Honey. This is what is called ethnocentrism. In your "hood" Spider-Man may be the biggest thing. But in the rest of the world, no way in hell. In Japan, Superman is the most popular superhero. There DOZENS of parodies based on him. The most well-known being Goku. In Africa, Superman is nearly a religous idol. Children see him as a symbol of hope against the despair in their horrible lives. In the friggin United Nations, the UNITED NATIONS, there is plaque dedicated to Superman. No other superhero has ever had such a cultural, societal, political and psychological impact as Superman. Millions of books have been written in the study of Superman mythology. Hell, there graduate studies on Superman.

Enough already. You don't have to like Superman. But to undergrade his relevance to the world is just low and petty.

And here's a sidenote, if Superman had NEVER existed, Spider-Man wouldn't either. And we certainly wouldn't be posting here.
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or
Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"

00.y
Batman is better. If it weren't for Batman, Superman would be dead right now, along with the rest of the DC universe.

00.y
Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or
Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"

Xin is a bad-ass.

Mindship
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How dare you forget the scene in the goonies! laughing
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Damn...I'm slippin' rolling on floor laughing

Also forgot...Mighty Mouse! "Here I come to save the day...!"
(though there was Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse!)

With regard to our differences of opinion, Superman himself would say (as I'm sure Spiderman would too--not so sure about Bats wink )...
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."

((The_Anomaly))
Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or
Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"

first off DRAGONBALL is based on the monkey king legend. DRAGONBALL Z is based more on superman.

dont you see an odd similarity between these 2 stories.

Superman:

an alien from the planet krypton, has an alien name (kal-el) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

Goku:

an alien from the planet Vegeta, has an alien name (kakarot) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

hummm, a little the same, wouldn't you say?

second, although superman not existing doesn't necessarily mean that other super hero's like spiderman would not exist, superman is indeed the cause of it.

all the comic book authors (stan lee for example) grew up reading super hero comics like superman. then there was a slump in the sales of superhero comics being sold. stan lee had always like super hero's (from which superman was the first very popular one) and so he wrote a few super hero comics (one being spiderman) this eventually led to the creation of marvel comics.

whether you want to admit it or not superman was the inspiration for ALL comic book hero's to come after him. would they exist had he not been created? hard to say (although chances are another super hero would have been taken his place) the point is superman is the inspiration and basis for ALL super hero and super hero comics to come after him.

he is THE super hero. i mean, thats where they got the name super hero from..lol

he is SUPERman.

Draco69
Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist.

Um. NO. Please. Superman started the superhero genre. Hell he started comics in general. Face facts. Spider-Man wouldn't exist if it were not for Superman.


Originally posted by brainchild81
How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments?

Honesty is a virtue...

Um. No. I'm not saying he's the "best" because he was the first superhero. I'm saying he's most well-known. A fact you simply have trouble grasping...


Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi.

Boo-hoo. And your point is....?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you.

You obviously failed logistical mathematics. Let's say we have two different types of sodas: Pepsi and Frosh. Pepsi is more well-known. More people drink it. More people know people who drink it. It's called the multiplier effect. Let's say the world is comprised of say 10 people. 9 out ten people know what Pepsi is and only three people out 10 people know what Frosh is. Based on this which drink is more popular. Yeah. Exactly.

More well-known EQUALS More popular.

Draco69
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
first off DRAGONBALL is based on the monkey king legend. DRAGONBALL Z is based more on superman.

dont you see an odd similarity between these 2 stories.

Superman:

an alien from the planet krypton, has an alien name (kal-el) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

Goku:

an alien from the planet Vegeta, has an alien name (kakarot) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

hummm, a little the same, wouldn't you say?

second, although superman not existing doesn't necessarily mean that other super hero's like spiderman would not exist, superman is indeed the cause of it.

all the comic book authors (stan lee for example) grew up reading super hero comics like superman. then there was a slump in the sales of superhero comics being sold. stan lee had always like super hero's (from which superman was the first very popular one) and so he wrote a few super hero comics (one being spiderman) this eventually led to the creation of marvel comics.

whether you want to admit it or not superman was the inspiration for ALL comic book hero's to come after him. would they exist had he not been created? hard to say (although chances are another super hero would have been taken his place) the point is superman is the inspiration and basis for ALL super hero and super hero comics to come after him.

he is THE super hero. i mean, thats where they got the name super hero from..lol

he is SUPERman.


And where Spider-MAN got the MAN from.

brainchild81

Draco69
Originally posted by brainchild81
Next time you visit that alternate universe, bring me back some Rum and toilet paper.

Ah. But no such alternate universe exists. Saying that Spider-Man would exist without Superman is like saying that Nancy Drew would exist without Sherlock Holmes. If the beginning of the comic-book genre never came to past thus a product of the comic-book genre can thusly never exist.

Not to mention Stan Lee delibrately tried to create a anti-thesis to Superman by subtracting ideals of previously heralded principles of what a superhero should and can be.

And as the previous poster mentioned, how can a SUPERhero exist with SUPERman?

You're just being incredibly stubborn on this point...

Proving again that you don't know what popular means and thus are unfit to argue w/me about popularity. I'll try to edify you again.


Originally posted by brainchild81

& for that pointless soda thing, if those 3 people like Frosh and less than 3 people like Pepsi. Frosh is more popular. If everybody in the world knows and hates you, you're less popular than the guy who's liked and known only by his parents. More well-known does not EQUAL More popular. More well-liked EQUALS More popular. Got it?

Again. You must have failed logistical mathematics. THINK. If a larger amount of people have no idea Spider-Man exists than he loses a greater amount of people to like (or hate) him because they have no idea he exists. Superman on the hand is known by damn near everyone. Thus of his pool of potential likers is far, far greater Spider-Man.

Again. Let me try to make this as simple as it can be for you:

The world is represented by 100 people. Of all 100 people, they know who and what Superman is. 5 people know who and what Spider-Man is. Now you brought up a vaild point that people may know who Superman is but they may also hate him. So Spider-Man according to your deeply mistaken assumptions is by default much more popular. But you failed to think this through. Remember that Superman has a FAR greater pool of people to either like or dislike Spider-Man. Spider-Man has a very small pool of people to like (yes it may not seem possible to you but dislike the character as well). So if 100 people know Superman and 75% hate him. How many people like Superman? 25. Let's try again. Let's say 90% of 100 people know Superman but also hate him. How many like Superman? 10. Let's draw an even more impossible scenario where 95% of 100 people know and hate Superman. How many still like Superman? Five which is tied to the ratio of people who have the slightest clue who Spider-Man is. The reason Superman is more popular in the world is simply because he is more well-known. More people can hate him...but more people can LIKE him as well. His "pool of potential popularity/impopularity" is simply far greater than Spider-Man's. What if those who know Spider-Man hate him in favor of Wolverine? The ONLY way Spider-Man can even hope to be close to or even in impossible scenario match Superman in popularity is that EVERYONE who knows Spiderm-Man must like him as well. Your poor bias failed to implement that Spider-Man as well has people who don't like him.

Simple mathematics. And it doesn't lie.

brainchild81
Originally posted by Draco69
Ah. But no such alternate universe exists. Saying that Spider-Man would exist without Superman is like saying that Nancy Drew would exist without Sherlock Holmes. If the beginning of the comic-book genre never came to past thus a product of the comic-book genre can thusly never exist.

Not to mention Stan Lee delibrately tried to create a anti-thesis to Superman by subtracting ideals of previously heralded principles of what a superhero should and can be.

And as the previous poster mentioned, how can a SUPERhero exist with SUPERman?

You're just being incredibly stubborn on this point...

Again. You must have failed logistical mathematics. THINK. If a larger amount of people have no idea Spider-Man exists than he loses a greater amount of people to like (or hate) him because they have no idea he exists. Superman on the hand is known by damn near everyone. Thus of his pool of potential likers is far, far greater Spider-Man.That also means his pool of potential dislikers and apathetics is far, far greater than Spidey's. I'm very eager to see how Supes performs in the box office worldwide. I'll be absolutely shocked if Supes pulls in more than half of what either Spidey film did. I'll be even more shocked if he makes as much. If he makes more I'll pop a blood vessel smile. Actually I'll just come back here and I'll be the 1st to admit I was wrong about Supes's box office power. Nobody knows for certain whether Spidey would exist or not. Period. Maybe Supes wouldn't exist if not for the existence Doc Savage or the Shadow. I can't say that for sure though because they do exist and that's the only reality we know of. Originally posted by Draco69


Again. Let me try to make this as simple as it can be for you:

The world is represented by 100 people. Of all 100 people, they know who and what Superman is. 5 people know who and what Spider-Man is. Now you brought up a vaild point that people may know who Superman is but they may also hate him. So Spider-Man according to your deeply mistaken assumptions is by default much more popular. But you failed to think this through. Remember that Superman has a FAR greater pool of people to either like or dislike Spider-Man. Spider-Man has a very small pool of people to like (yes it may not seem possible to you but dislike the character as well). So if 100 people know Superman and 75% hate him. How many people like Superman? 25. Let's try again. Let's say 90% of 100 people know Superman but also hate him. How many like Superman? 10. Let's draw an even more impossible scenario where 95% of 100 people know and hate Superman. How many still like Superman? Five which is tied to the ratio of people who have the slightest clue who Spider-Man is. The reason Superman is more popular in the world is simply because he is more well-known. More people can hate him...but more people can LIKE him as well. His "pool of potential popularity/impopularity" is simply far greater than Spider-Man's. What if those who know Spider-Man hate him in favor of Wolverine? The ONLY way Spider-Man can even hope to be close to or even in impossible scenario match Superman in popularity is that EVERYONE who knows Spiderm-Man must like him as well. Your poor bias failed to implement that Spider-Man as well has people who don't like him.
No, my bias never failssmile I do dislike comic Supes. I love Smallville though because they've left out many of the elements I dislike about Supes. I've yet to start any Supes bashing threads, but I've noticed a few(here and ither places) and posted in them. Everybody has characters they don't like, but I do my best to avoid bias. I didn't state that Spidey has people who don't like him because that goes without saying. Of course he does, any character known by many will have a number of people who don't like them. I'll revise the soda thing for you. Neither one of us knows the exact number of likers, dislikers, or apathetics for either character. Until those numbers are given. We won't know who's really more popular. Until then, I'll just use movie gross numbers because I think there are more people that read comics & also go to the movies than people that go to the movies & also read comics. Spidey won Bravo's Ultimate Superhero(I think Supes was #2) contest and Wizard's (Batman was #2 and I don't remember where Super man was) also. Winning Wizard's means a bit more when you consider how much they seem to like Batman, so much that they put "........and it's not Batman" on 1 of the covers. Spidey's the man until proven other wise. Batman is DC's top dawg IMO and in many other's Os. I remember seeing an art book recently that had (in large letters) "How to draw Batman" in little letters underneath that it had "and other DC comics superheroes"
Superman might've fell into that "other" category.

JediMasterLuke5
Originally posted by brainchild81
Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.
Not even by a long shot. The only reason spiderman has been so popular is becuz there have been 2 new spiderman movies recently. There hasnt been a superman movie like in 15 years or so. When Superman Returns come out everyone will be getting Supe Stuff.

((The_Anomaly))
here is an example of what were trying to tell you brainchild81.

in the Spiderman movie (the first one) SUPERMAN IS MENTIONED!

IN A MARVEL COMICS MOVIE! how popular and influential is that?

I dont know the quote exactly but its something like

aunt may to peter:

"You do too much, school, a job, your not Superman you know!"

THATS what were trying to say to you, i mean superman is mentioned in a movie about the very character you say is more popular, and Marvel and DC are competing comics! even they are giving credit to superman, because he is the only person to give credit too. he IS the greatest superhero and he IS the superhero who gave birth to other superheroes. but more importantly he goes beyond popularity, he is a legend, a symbol he is the very definition of what it means to be a superhero, because he made that definition what it is today.

THATS what were trying to get you to understand. please, stop trying to say otherwise, your just sounding dumb.

brainchild81
Bravo(the show was listing the ULTIMATE superheroes and Spidey won) and Wizard(Greatest of all time list, again Spidey won, noticing a trend here? Supes didn't even make #2) think otherwise. I've seen the Spidey flicks(the upcoming Supes movie will not stack up to either film box office wise. Quote me on that and if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my face). There's also a scene where Spidey runs down the street and takes off his shirt the way Supes does. I think those scenes are designed to evoke a chuckle from the viewers. I've heard Rami was a Superman fan also. & do you realize that that quote is one of the reasons why Spidey is so popular? Because he's not Superman. Also in a recent Batman & Superman book, Supes saved a girl falling off a bridge for a stealthy looking guy w/six arms. I've got nothing against Supes fans, but seriously guys, Supes isn't even the #1 guy in DC, how is he the most popular hero?

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by brainchild81
Bravo(the show was listing the ULTIMATE superheroes and Spidey won) and Wizard(Greatest of all time list, again Spidey won, noticing a trend here? Supes didn't even make #2) think otherwise. I've seen the Spidey flicks(the upcoming Supes movie will not stack up to either film box office wise. Quote me on that and if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my face). There's also a scene where Spidey runs down the street and takes off his shirt the way Supes does. I think those scenes are designed to evoke a chuckle from the viewers. I've heard Rami was a Superman fan also. & do you realize that that quote is one of the reasons why Spidey is so popular? Because he's not Superman. Also in a recent Batman & Superman book, Supes saved a girl falling off a bridge for a stealthy looking guy w/six arms. I've got nothing against Supes fans, but seriously guys, Supes isn't even the #1 guy in DC, how is he the most popular hero?

Popularity also works with people you love to hate. For example, you hate/dislike supes, yet you are always in the Supes forum. Supes is far more widely known, whether you love or hate the guy.

If they ever make a "Death of Spiderman" comic and it sells even half of what Death of Superman sold/sells, AND gets the same attention Superman got,I'd be surprised. Hell, the media made an issue about the guy changing his costume.

brainchild81
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Popularity also works with people you love to hate. For example, you hate/dislike supes, yet you are always in the Supes forum. Only in the Supes bashing/improvement threads. smile I know my place. So me not liking Supes makes him even more popular? Wow! I guess you learn something new everyday big grin

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by brainchild81
Only in the Supes bashing/improvement threads. smile I know my place. So me not liking Supes makes him even more popular? Wow! I guess you learn something new everyday big grin

Pretty much. Famous or infamous. Depends on how you look at it.

((The_Anomaly))
Ohh god, this kid is hopeless.

hes not getting the difference between "popular" and "symbolic icon"

supes may not be the most "popular" anymore, but hes already above that anyways, him being called popular is an insult actually, hes beyond popular....

anyways, im not going to keep trying to get him to understand, its completly pointless..

botcherby
brainchild81, you ignent

you see my sig... I love spiderman, but I know that Superman is the most well known iconic superhero ever. He is the framework to which superheroes are based upon. I visit Indonesia a lot and I've been to the poorest places, yet everyone knows Superman.... the first superhero that comes into their head is superman.

just like The Anomaly said he is beyond what you class popular, he is legend.... on the other hand Spiderman is just a teenage chump sucking on his aunt's titty in comparsion

UniOmni
Superman is the ultimate superhero, no matter how much it irks me to admit this fact. A few years ago, happily crowed from my mouth. Now, grudgingly snarled. But he isn't the first superhero. I believe there was a phantom detective or some such before him. And Namor may have preceded boy blue. Just might not have been as popular off the bat. So yes, Superman is the iconic superhero who beats evil and gets the sword of god and becomes one with the universe and blah blah blah.....yall can get back to ya circle jerk now. Just make sure to clean up the mess when you leave. Put a few of boy blues comics to good use as damage control, cuz semen stains.....hahhahha!!!

mattador
Yes he is...

*flashes Avatar at everyone*

...yes he is yes

OB1-adobe
Yes.

Hence the name Superman. I think he is appropiatly named.

mattador
Very nice sig OB1 yes

FistOfThe North

brainchild81
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Pretty much. Famous or infamous. Depends on how you look at it. Again, it seems like people don't know what popular means. Well liked = popular. Me not liking him doesn't make him more popular. I stopped debating about who's more well known a while back. I have no doubt that Supes is indeed a well known iconic character. We're talking about who's the Ulitmate superhero here. If you add up ALL the factors, like Bravo or Wizard did, it's hard not to end up w/Spidey as the #1 guy. Supes might make it to the top 3, but that #1 spot is reserved for the guy that "does whatever a spider can" Originally posted by UniOmni
But he isn't the first superhero. I believe there was a phantom detective or some such before him. And Namor may have preceded boy blue. Nah. Supes was before Namor. He was created @ a time when people needed a hero and standards were very low.

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by brainchild81
Again, it seems like people don't know what popular means. Well liked = popular. Me not liking him doesn't make him more popular. I stopped debating about who's more well known a while back. I have no doubt that Supes is indeed a well known iconic character. We're talking about who's the Ulitmate superhero here. If you add up ALL the factors, like Bravo or Wizard did, it's hard not to end up w/Spidey as the #1 guy. Supes might make it to the top 3, but that #1 spot is reserved for the guy that "does whatever a spider can" Nah. Supes was before Namor. He was created @ a time when people needed a hero and standards were very low.

Others have explained it to you before, and it's pretty obvious that you don't get it.
Popularity isn't always acheived by liking someone, there are also those people love to hate for example, you and Supes. By disliking him and spending time in his forum, you are contributing to his popularity. Turn on the news, there have been plenty of examples of people that we all hate...but people tune in because they hate them. They bring up ratings. Supes is better known than Spidey. Period.

As for the ultimate Superhero. Spidey tries to do good, but he will never touch Supes. Hell, his own aunt has told him that. wink

brainchild81
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Others have explained it to you before, and it's pretty obvious that you don't get it.
Popularity isn't always acheived by liking someone, there are also those people love to hate for example, you and Supes. By disliking him and spending time in his forum, you are contributing to his popularity. Turn on the news, there have been plenty of examples of people that we all hate...but people tune in because they hate them. They bring up ratings. Supes is better known than Spidey. Period.

As for the ultimate Superhero. Spidey tries to do good, but he will never touch Supes. Hell, his own aunt has told him that. wink In the Marvel movie world, they're "real" and Superman's a fictional character dude. Also, she doesn't know he's Spider-Man.smile She was comparing Peter Parker's good nerdy nephew feats(not Spidey's) to a comic book character's. I don't love to hate Superman though. I just "hate" him. evil face If I loved to hate him, I'd buy his books hoping that he'd be getting his a$$ kicked. I just don't buy his books. "Love to hate" is more like a cool bad guy in pro-wrestling. Christian, for example. Or maybe that English guy from "Deadwood" who curses all the time. Or Starscream from Transformers. People who you "love to hate" have entertainment value to you. Supes doesn't IMO. Supes only interests me in "Smallville" form

((The_Anomaly))
Smallville is still superman.

therefore you admit to not liking superman and then say you like superman. interesting.

i assume you are going to say "but i dont like comic superman"

thats irrelevant, its all superman, either you like the character or you do not.

second, since when did spiderman become the ultimate super hero? hes a loner kid who has mediocre super powers at best and can (and does very often) get his ass beat.

now, dont get me wrong i love spiderman (possibly he'd be #2 next to supes IMO) but hes not superman.

supes could save or help 10,000 people before spidey could help 10. supes could stop a nuclear weapon, i doubt spidey could web up a nuclear warhead before it hit the ground and killed him and everything around him. supes could stop natural disasters, spidey couldn't stop it from snowing.

i mean to kill spiderman all you have to do is shoot him in the face, not very "ultimate" if you ask me.

brainchild81
Weak. Totally weak argument. OK then if were going by powers alone then Supes still ain't #1. Surfer would kick his a$$ 10/10/. Surfer kicks his @ss 5 days a week, takes off for the weekend. Then comes back and does the same s**t on Monday. If you're talking powers, Spidey should be far from #2 dude. Being the Ultimate Superhero isn't about powers man, it's about character.

Swanky-Tuna
Popularity-wise, yeah, Superman is top bananna. But power-wise, he is powerful boring. I'd pick a Green Lantern over Superman for that.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything.
What about comedy? Spiderman is hilarious.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
Being the Ultimate Superhero isn't about powers man, it's about character.

It's about both and more.

To me, the ultimate superhero should be the most powerful as well. But it's shouldn't be the only attribute that makes him ultimate. His powerfulness has to be complimented with other more superior superhero qualities like personality and super powers and the list goes on & on.

A list Superman has rightfully checked off completely, in my view..

Superman is the Ultimate Superhero.

Spiderman and Batman are just hero's. But they rawk too..

brainchild81
So if it's about both, are you saying a person w/out powers can't be the ultimate?

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
So if it's about both, are you saying a person w/out powers can't be the ultimate?

No, I am saying that. In fact I'm saying the opposite: That a person w/out powers can be ultimate. If Superman didn't exist lets assume, I'd say Batman would be the Ultimate.

brainchild81
Bats isn't 2nd to Supes though, he's second to Spidey. Supes is 2nd to Batman(& that's only in DC).

Hegemon875
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
It's about both and more.

TO ME , the ultimate superhero should be the most powerful as well. But it's shouldn't be the only attribute that makes him ultimate. His powerfulness has to be complimented with other more superior superhero qualities like personality and super powers and the list goes on & on.

A list Superman has rightfully checked off completely, in my view..

Superman is the Ultimate Superhero.

Spiderman and Batman are just hero's. But they rawk too..

"To me" keywords I think, theres no way everyone can agree on who's the ultimate super hero because because everyone has a different definition on what a super hero is. If you think Superman is the ultimate super hero than he is. If you dont than he isnt.

BUT I'm totally with ya north supes is the only super hero I actually admire. Others I think are cool or badass or really powerful but theres only one hero that for some reason I look up to as a person and thats superman. wink

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
Bats isn't 2nd to Supes though, he's second to Spidey. Supes is 2nd to Batman(& that's only in DC).

Yeah, but that's a Wizard or DC fan poll telling you which comics characters more read and are more popular among fans. That's it.

And personally this fan poll wizard or Dc made up doesn't appeal to me because i happen to like Superman over both Spiderman and Batman anyway, point is, you not answering the question. Is Superman the Ultimate Superhero. And popularity doesn't determine that. Popularity and Ulimatism, (which isn't a word, lol) isn't the same thing.

For instance, who would you want around if you were in Hawaii with your family vacationing and all of a sudden one of those massive volcanoes erupted out the blue, with no warning and you were stuck with no where to get to in time to save yourself or your family. Who would you want around Spiderman or Superman. See the difference?

brainchild81
Again, you turn this into who's more powerful. I'd want Silver Surfer there. The Wizard thing wasn't a fan poll either. I've already answered your question. "No"

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
I've already answered your question. "No"

To each his one but one thing, can you tell me what ultimate is to you?

brainchild81
As far as Superheroes go? The most innovative. The coolest battles. The coolest costume. The most interesting characters. The best stories. Most original powers(Supes couldn't fly until after Cap. Marvel did it 1st) Realism and relatability to an extent. The problems they face in AND out of costume and how they deal with them.

Piedmon
Being the ultimate superhero shouldn't be about whether kids in Bangkok know you.

For my money, the ultimate superhero is Batman. I think he represents what it means to assume an identity beyond your own and battle evil better than Superman.

I wouldn't say Wolverine, btw, is a superhero at all.

Hegemon875
Originally posted by Piedmon


I wouldn't say Wolverine, btw, is a superhero at all.

But he does have the most interesting origin IMO big grin

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Piedmon
I wouldn't say Wolverine, btw, is a superhero at all.

Why cause he kills people? I once saw this comic where Wolverine wiped out a whole cafe' of mafia men. I mean literally slaughtered them, lol. Just because they were gonna harm some little girl he met earlier.

Piedmon
Not that. If you look at his history, Wolverine never CHOSE to be a superhero. He was kidnapped and twisted by the Weapon Plus program, turned into a living weapon.

I'm not saying that you have to be an altruist to be a hero, or that all heroes choose to be heroes. But a SUPER-hero? Think about it.

spetznaz
Originally posted by brainchild81
I haven't heard anybody say that for Supes in a while either. I have heard various people say my Spidey sense is tingling and nowadays whenever a list is printed Spidey's on top more often than not. Many of today's kids don't even know Supes, but they all know Spidey and most know Batman

It was funny reading your statements.
Here you are saying that 'most of today's kids don't even know Supes' ....'but they all know Spidey'.....

First of all that is a lie. A bald-faced lie.

Superman ....a comic-book character ....has a plaque at the United Nations. Not even presidents get such stuff, but there is a S in the UN. Something living breathing dignitaries and nobel winners do not just get.
Imagine the laughter that would ensue if Marvel asked for a plaque at the UN building for Spiderman!
Spiderman!
The mere thought of it is so ridiculous that the United Nations would think of it as some twisted joke (and Marvel would be too ashamed to even dare)
(And BTW DC did not even ask for one for Supes .....the delegation voted for one due to what Superman stood for, and what he symbolized even though he was simply a fictional character).

Superman has been used in outreach programs against landmines around the world (they needed something that could be easily understood by children anywhere). He has been used in disaster relief programs (basically saying that even though no-one can do what he can do they can still give money and time towards relief).
Spiderman ....well .....when his movies come out you can always find free plastic toys in McDonalds happy meals.

Superman is the 3rd most recognized symbol IN THE WORLD. Note: I did not say 'comic book symbol' ....simply symbol. More people will notice the cross, but after that Superman comes up.
What about Spiderman? Well, what about him?

Since Superman came out in 1938 he has been regarded as the definitive superhero, and even now he is regarded as the most influential and well-known superhero character.

Even moving to etymology. The word 'SuperHero' stems from Superman (the phrase started around the beginning of WW2).

Now: I have to give some props to Spiderman. The beauty about the character is that he shows someone who strives, and struggles, with the requirements for responsibility. Spiderman is one of the first truly 'human' superheroes (in many ways even more 'human' that Batman, who can at times be somewhere between a super-man and a deity, and other times a sulking darkened soul). Spiderman has a lot of character depth to him. Moreover his movies have done extremely well, and by any measures should continue to do so.

HOWEVER saying that 'modern kids everywhere' know Spiderman, but nore know Superman, is not only hyperbole but an outright lie.

Spiderman doesn't come close to Superman's recognition. Not even close.

Not taking anything away from Spiderman (I like the character), but comparing Spidey to Superman is tantamount to comparing a very nice Acura sedan (Spiderman) to Bugatti Veyron supercar (Superman).
Super.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Piedmon
Not that. He was kidnapped and twisted by the Weapon Plus program, Think about it.

Wasn't it the "Weapon X project" Logan was apart of"?

ZephroCarnelian
Originally posted by spetznaz
It was funny reading your statements.
Here you are saying that 'most of today's kids don't even know Supes' ....'but they all know Spidey'.....

First of all that is a lie. A bald-faced lie.

Superman ....a comic-book character ....has a plaque at the United Nations. Not even presidents get such stuff, but there is a S in the UN. Something living breathing dignitaries and nobel winners do not just get.
Imagine the laughter that would ensue if Marvel asked for a plaque at the UN building for Spiderman!
Spiderman!
The mere thought of it is so ridiculous that the United Nations would think of it as some twisted joke (and Marvel would be too ashamed to even dare)
(And BTW DC did not even ask for one for Supes .....the delegation voted for one due to what Superman stood for, and what he symbolized even though he was simply a fictional character).

Superman has been used in outreach programs against landmines around the world (they needed something that could be easily understood by children anywhere). He has been used in disaster relief programs (basically saying that even though no-one can do what he can do they can still give money and time towards relief).
Spiderman ....well .....when his movies come out you can always find free plastic toys in McDonalds happy meals.

Superman is the 3rd most recognized symbol IN THE WORLD. Note: I did not say 'comic book symbol' ....simply symbol. More people will notice the cross, but after that Superman comes up.
What about Spiderman? Well, what about him?

Since Superman came out in 1938 he has been regarded as the definitive superhero, and even now he is regarded as the most influential and well-known superhero character.

Even moving to etymology. The word 'SuperHero' stems from Superman (the phrase started around the beginning of WW2).

Now: I have to give some props to Spiderman. The beauty about the character is that he shows someone who strives, and struggles, with the requirements for responsibility. Spiderman is one of the first truly 'human' superheroes (in many ways even more 'human' that Batman, who can at times be somewhere between a super-man and a deity, and other times a sulking darkened soul). Spiderman has a lot of character depth to him. Moreover his movies have done extremely well, and by any measures should continue to do so.

HOWEVER saying that 'modern kids everywhere' know Spiderman, but nore know Superman, is not only hyperbole but an outright lie.

Spiderman doesn't come close to Superman's recognition. Not even close.

Not taking anything away from Spiderman (I like the character), but comparing Spidey to Superman is tantamount to comparing a very nice Acura sedan (Spiderman) to Bugatti Veyron supercar (Superman).
Super.

As akways... a pleasure to read. smile

Piedmon
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Wasn't it the "Weapon X project" Logan was apart of"?

Well, no. The Weapon X Program was a special subdivision of Weapon Plus. The purpose of Weapon Plus was to create "Super-Sentinels" to combat the growing Mutant Menace. (The first product of their experiments was Captain America in the 1940's, although Steve Rogers had no idea this was the intention behind the super soldier serum.) The subdivision Weapon X, however, specifically dealt with turning Mutants into government-controlled weapons to battle their own kind.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by Piedmon
Well, no. The Weapon X Program was a special subdivision of Weapon Plus. The purpose of Weapon Plus was to create "Super-Sentinels" to combat the growing Mutant Menace. (The first product of their experiments was Captain America in the 1940's, although Steve Rogers had no idea this was the intention behind the super soldier serum.) The subdivision Weapon X, however, specifically dealt with turning Mutants into government-controlled weapons to battle their own kind.

So Logan was apart of a "Weapon Plus" subprogram called "Weapon X" then. Since, as you say, "The subdivision Weapon X specifically dealt with turning Mutants into government-controlled weapons to battle their own kind." Sounds like Wolverine to me.

Mindship
Originally posted by spetznaz
Superman is the 3rd most recognized symbol IN THE WORLD. Note: I did not say 'comic book symbol' ....simply symbol. More people will notice the cross, but after that Superman comes up.

There's the cross, Superman...what's the third one?

brainchild81
Originally posted by spetznaz
It was funny reading your statements.
Here you are saying that 'most of today's kids don't even know Supes' ....'but they all know Spidey'.....

First of all that is a lie. A bald-faced lie.

Superman ....a comic-book character ....has a plaque at the United Nations. Not even presidents get such stuff, but there is a S in the UN. Something living breathing dignitaries and nobel winners do not just get.
Imagine the laughter that would ensue if Marvel asked for a plaque at the UN building for Spiderman!
Spiderman!
The mere thought of it is so ridiculous that the United Nations would think of it as some twisted joke (and Marvel would be too ashamed to even dare)
(And BTW DC did not even ask for one for Supes .....the delegation voted for one due to what Superman stood for, and what he symbolized even though he was simply a fictional character).

Superman has been used in outreach programs against landmines around the world (they needed something that could be easily understood by children anywhere). He has been used in disaster relief programs (basically saying that even though no-one can do what he can do they can still give money and time towards relief).
Spiderman ....well .....when his movies come out you can always find free plastic toys in McDonalds happy meals.
Let me guess, this U.N. thing happened years ago when more people cared about Supes didn't it? As for kids not knowing Supes, I was mainly speaking about kids in the U.S. Spidey seems to be far more well known amongst the youngsters. Honestly though, I agree w/thisOriginally posted by Piedmon
Being the ultimate superhero shouldn't be about whether kids in Bangkok know you.
Supes may be the most well known superhero in the world, but that's not what being the Ultimate is about. I'm quite sure fame had something to do with the Wizard and Bravo lists, @ the end of the day though, they gave it to Spidey because when you add it all up, Spidey's the man.(I was surprised when Bravo gave Supes 2nd instead of Bats though. In this case I'll just say 2nd place is just the 1st loser evil face ) Hate it or love it, the underdog's on top. Happy Dance

FistOfThe North
So Brainchild81. Do you think an Ultimate Superhero is practically unbeatable? Meaning he/she has weaknesses but hardly has any opponent who can singlehandedly defeat him/her. If so, I'm afraid Spiderman falls way out of this category.

To me, The Ultimate Superhero is able to kick major arse alot of the time against even the more powerful foes without getting scraped up to much. I don't see Spiderman defeating the most powerful bad guy in Marvel, which is in my opinion, Dr. Doom. I see Superman doing it effortlessly. And not saying Spiderman sucks, I think he owns especially when he goes berserk, and I think he can even smack Wolverine up. Just saying he isn't the Ultimate. And to say he is even if it's opinionated would be nonsensical.

brainchild81
You must not understand my posts. Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him. Supes is waaaay more powerful than Spidey. We all know that. I've already said that it's not about power, because that would automatically take Spidey AND Supes out of the running. You seem like you're probably a youngster. I liked Supes when I was younger too. When I got older though and my standards got higher I realized how "over the top" his powers and disguise were. That glasses thing is ridiculous. Period. Look @ the fights between Neo and Smith in the 1st Matrix movie w/all the cool moves. That's like Spideystyle fighting. Look @ the boring flying around and punching each other in the hands crap in the last movie. That's Supesstyle.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
You must not understand my posts. Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him. Supes is waaaay more powerful than Spidey. We all know that. I've already said that it's not about power, because that would automatically take Spidey AND Supes out of the running. You seem like you're probably a youngster. I liked Supes when I was younger too. When I got older though and my standards got higher I realized how "over the top" his powers and disguise were. That glasses thing is ridiculous. Period. Look @ the fights between Neo and Smith in the 1st Matrix movie w/all the cool moves. That's like Spideystyle fighting. Look @ the boring flying around and punching each other in the hands crap in the last movie. That's Supesstyle.

You're posts have been more amusing than understandable. And how are you calling me a youngster, which i'm not, yet your name's brainchild, c'mon.

You wrote "Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him" Hey, If your inclined to the weaker side of things then hey, have at it. Someone always getting his arse kicked alot is pathetic to me. I think your standards sunk lower, as you got older by having Spidey as your preferred superhero over Superman.

Spidey fights flashy but if just flying and punching you into oblivion would work, then I'd be Superman.

DarkCrawler
To me, the Ultimate Superhero is what first comes in your mind when you hear the word: "superhero".

And that's Superman. And no-one else.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by brainchild81
You must not understand my posts. Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him. Supes is waaaay more powerful than Spidey. We all know that. I've already said that it's not about power, because that would automatically take Spidey AND Supes out of the running. You seem like you're probably a youngster. I liked Supes when I was younger too. When I got older though and my standards got higher I realized how "over the top" his powers and disguise were. That glasses thing is ridiculous. Period. Look @ the fights between Neo and Smith in the 1st Matrix movie w/all the cool moves. That's like Spideystyle fighting. Look @ the boring flying around and punching each other in the hands crap in the last movie. That's Supesstyle.

So...being cool is what makes you ultimate superhero? confused

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...being cool is what makes you ultimate superhero? confused

lol, I swear thats what he's implying.

That to him, the Ultimate superhero should:

1. fight cool
2. have a cool costume
3. say cool things
4. look cool
5. have cooler stories
&
6. have a cool personality when he's not being the "Ultimate" Superhero.

That's just ludicrously & laughably dumb.

laughing out loud

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You're posts have been more amusing than understandable. And how are you calling me a youngster, which i'm not, yet your name's brainchild, c'mon.

You wrote "Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him" Hey, If your inclined to the weaker side of things then hey, have at it. Someone always getting his arse kicked alot is pathetic to me. I think your standards sunk lower, as you got older by having Spidey as your preferred superhero over Superman.

Spidey fights flashy but if just flying and punching you into oblivion would work, then I'd be Superman. If this is whose powers you'd want to have then I'd still have to pick S.Surfer. I'm not trying to insult you by saying you seemed like a youngster. You honestly do IMO. There's nothing wrong with being a youngster. Everyone was. And no homie, my standards got higher. Glasses is a lame ass disguise. L-A-M-E Period. There's no way around that. Talk about low standardsembarrasment.....I've heard he vibrates his face molecules, but that's worse. He reminds me of when I was a kid and would play w/action figures and if somebody hit me I'd be like "nah. I got a force field"(Which Supes just happens to have) WTF can't this guy do? To me "the adventures of all powerful man" aren't gonna be as interesting as those of "moderately powerful guy". Like I've said, Spidey was 1st place in Wizard and Bravo for a reason. And it's not him kicking everybody's ass(He can't and neither can Supes) He's the best. The best Supes can ever hope for is second. Batman deserves it more.

brainchild81
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...being cool is what makes you ultimate superhero? confused Pretty much. Not just being cool though. Being the coolest........and most interesting. And not having the lamest disguise in all of comics. Supes established a fanbase when there weren't any others around and standards were low. Captain Marvel(DC) came out and quickly surpassed him in terms of popularity. If DC hadn't won him in a lawsuit and put him on the backburner big-time, this thread might've been called "Is Captain Marvel the Ultimate Superhero?".Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol, I swear thats what he's implying.

That to him, the Ultimate superhero should:

1. fight cool
2. have a cool costume
3. say cool things
4. look cool
5. have cooler stories
&
6. have a cool personality when he's not being the "Ultimate" Superhero.

That's just ludicrously & laughably dumb.

laughing out loud laughing See, that's kind of why I think you're a youngin'

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
Pretty much. Not just being cool though. Being the coolest........and most interesting. And not having the lamest disguise in all of comics. Supes established a fanbase when there weren't any others around and standards were low. Captain Marvel(DC) came out and quickly surpassed him in terms of popularity. If DC hadn't won him in a lawsuit and put him on the backburner big-time, this thread might've been called "Is Captain Marvel the Ultimate Superhero?". laughing See, that's kind of why I think you're a youngin'

So Im a youngin' for believing in fact, eh..?

I don't see what so lame about Clark Kents disguise as mild mannered reporter, but don't most superheroes show their faces in their normal lives?

And Captain Marvel "The world's mightiest mortal" as he's called, don't know why, came out after Superman. Sure he was the most popular superhero cause his comics sold more than any but Captain marvel was an infringement and a copy of Superman who bit the Superman look kinda & concept to become popular.

And DC won that trial justly. Capt. Marvel wasn't even supose to exist in the first place, there was no way DC would've lost that court battle because Capt. Marvel was clearly a blatant rip-off. With-out Superman there would be no Capt. Marvel. Period.

Fanboy
He is the ultimate hero because there has been so much changing with him through the years he has been a herald of Galactus an energy being a green lantern and Batman he is the ultimate Hero.

((The_Anomaly))
Originally posted by brainchild81
You must not understand my posts. Spidey NOT being practically unbeatable is one of the things I like most about him. Supes is waaaay more powerful than Spidey. We all know that. I've already said that it's not about power, because that would automatically take Spidey AND Supes out of the running. You seem like you're probably a youngster. I liked Supes when I was younger too. When I got older though and my standards got higher I realized how "over the top" his powers and disguise were. That glasses thing is ridiculous. Period. Look @ the fights between Neo and Smith in the 1st Matrix movie w/all the cool moves. That's like Spideystyle fighting. Look @ the boring flying around and punching each other in the hands crap in the last movie. That's Supesstyle.

WTFFF???

The matrix isnt based on spiderman...hahahahhahah

wow man, wow, you should think before you speak seriously, that was the dumbest thing i've heard you say thus far.

the matrix fighting is based on old hong kong wire-fu, not spiderman.

the matrix (all of them) have SO much hidden meaning that i cant even begin to list or describe them all, but ill tell you this, none of it is based on spiderman.

you accuse people who love supes as being fanboys? but god man, look at you and spidey, you just make crap up and say its based on spiderman.

I love the matrix (my name is the anomaly) i started in KMC in the matrix forums, i know the movies inside and out, so dont bother arguing with me about them, trust me, none of its spiderman.

however, Neo's flying IS based on superman (not the SBB though in Revolutions) just his flying.

i mean they even mention supes in Reloaded

"where is he now?" - "hes doing his superman thing.."

however its not based on superman per say, its based on supermans iconic flying as being a hero, thats why Neo flies, because thanks to superman flying is an iconic image of a hero (in Neo's case the hero (saviour) of all mankind)

please dont just write crap thats not true, someones gonna make a fool of you.

brainchild81
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
WTFFF???

The matrix isnt based on spiderman...hahahahhahah

wow man, wow, you should think before you speak seriously, that was the dumbest thing i've heard you say thus far.Which is really amazing because I didn't say the matrix was based on Spidey. I forgive you though, because your reading comprehension is obviously very low. Nobody's perfect thoughsmile
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))

the matrix fighting is based on old hong kong wire-fu, not spiderman.

the matrix (all of them) have SO much hidden meaning that i cant even begin to list or describe them all, but ill tell you this, none of it is based on spiderman.

you accuse people who love supes as being fanboys? but god man, look at you and spidey, you just make crap up and say its based on spiderman.Wow. I don't remember accusing people who love Supes of being fanboys. I don't think I'd ever do that to someone for merely loving a character. It wouldn't be right. Any proof of this? You are starting to sound like one to be honest. And I've never said Matrix was based on Spidey. Understanding what you read is very important man. Look into it.smile

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))


I love the matrix (my name is the anomaly) i started in KMC in the matrix forums, i know the movies inside and out, so dont bother arguing with me about them, trust me, none of its spiderman.

however, Neo's flying IS based on superman (not the SBB though in Revolutions) just his flying.

i mean they even mention supes in Reloaded

"where is he now?" - "hes doing his superman thing.."

however its not based on superman per say, its based on supermans iconic flying as being a hero, thats why Neo flies, because thanks to superman flying is an iconic image of a hero (in Neo's case the hero (saviour) of all mankind)

please dont just write crap thats not true, someones gonna make a fool of you. No offense, but your entire post seems like a very good way to make a fool of yourself.

FistOfThe North
This statement may scream of fanboyism to you skeptics, but I'll have to honestly say, that as I write this post, no superhero in any comic can defeat Superman in a fight. In and out of the DC realm.

To me, the Ultimate Superhero is the mightiest being. And that's Superman.

You can't be the Ultimate Superhero if your not the mightiest. Popular or not. And I know Thor comes up but it shouldn't cause he's only the mighty Thor while Supes is the mightiest.

Mighty - Having or showing great power, skill, strength, or force: a mighty orator; a mighty blow.

Most Superheroes are mighty. But being the mightiest means to be mighty to an extreme degree. That's Ultimate. Just like Superman is.

brainchild81
laughinglaughinglaughinglaughinglaughinglaughinglaughing Anybody else agree w/that?

((The_Anomaly))
Originally posted by brainchild81
Which is really amazing because I didn't say the matrix was based on Spidey. I forgive you though, because your reading comprehension is obviously very low. Nobody's perfect thoughsmile
Wow. I don't remember accusing people who love Supes of being fanboys. I don't think I'd ever do that to someone for merely loving a character. It wouldn't be right. Any proof of this? You are starting to sound like one to be honest. And I've never said Matrix was based on Spidey. Understanding what you read is very important man. Look into it.smile

No offense, but your entire post seems like a very good way to make a fool of yourself.

lol, ahhh, I give up with this one. how long has this thread been going on for now? and he refuses to even listen to points that we make.

I wont even get into your frivolous insults....nor will i get into that im in school FOR the purpose of understanding things, particularly things that i read, i doubt you can say the same.

unless you say something else utterly ridiculous this is my last post in this thread, there is no use talking to a "wall"

you misunderstood the point of my previous post.

at any rate your comparison between the matrix and spiderman in itself makes no sense, spiderman doesn't know kung fu.

i give up because this thread will never come to an end as it is simply a matter of opinion. for the most part.

you think spiderman is the best, i think spiderman could do shit in comparison to supes, you'll disagree then ill disagree with you, then we just keep going in a pointless circle of nothingness.

here are the facts.
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Superman is one of the most powerful superheros in all of comics (and TV and everything)

Superman is an icon, so much so he is far beyond all other superheros to the point where they are an afterthought in comparison.

Superman had survived and is still popular after about 70 years, not an easy feat.

Superman in essence created comic book superheros, the word "superhero" comes from his name for god sake.

superman is the very essence of what it means to be a hero, again, he created the general theme of what a hero should be, and all comic book superheroes after him in some way follow this lead.

superman is a symbol for all things that we consider good, so much so that there is a plaque in the UN for him.

superman pretty much CREATED the alter ego. to which almost all superheroes now have.

almost every superhero after superman has at least one of supermans powers to a degree. most commonly super strength, which, superman is knowen most for, this power is now a staple of superheroes.

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can any other superhero say even 1 of those things? i highly doubt it, and even if they could, it wouldn't be more then one.

Superman is the very definition of what being a superhero means. not because hes at this moment the most popular, or has the coolest outfit, or goes through what is becoming the tiresome "tormented superhero complex" that seems to be the norm now

superman is the ultimate superhero, because he is THE superhero.

thats my argument, say what you will, i dont think any other hero has all that to his name.

superman is the ultimate superhero, case closed.

ZephroCarnelian
Fantastic post.

I agree 100%.

smile

brainchild81
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
lol, ahhh, I give up with this one. how long has this thread been going on for now? and he refuses to even listen to points that we make.

I wont even get into your frivolous insults....nor will i get into that im in school FOR the purpose of understanding things, particularly things that i read, i doubt you can say the same.

unless you say something else utterly ridiculous this is my last post in this thread, there is no use talking to a "wall"

you misunderstood the point of my previous post.

at any rate your comparison between the matrix and spiderman in itself makes no sense, spiderman doesn't know kung fu.

i give up because this thread will never come to an end as it is simply a matter of opinion. for the most part.

you think spiderman is the best, i think spiderman could do shit in comparison to supes, you'll disagree then ill disagree with you, then we just keep going in a pointless circle of nothingness.

here are the facts.
------------------------------------------------------------
Superman is one of the most powerful superheros in all of comics (and TV and everything)

Superman is an icon, so much so he is far beyond all other superheros to the point where they are an afterthought in comparison.

Superman had survived and is still popular after about 70 years, not an easy feat.

Superman in essence created comic book superheros, the word "superhero" comes from his name for god sake.

superman is the very essence of what it means to be a hero, again, he created the general theme of what a hero should be, and all comic book superheroes after him in some way follow this lead.

superman is a symbol for all things that we consider good, so much so that there is a plaque in the UN for him.

superman pretty much CREATED the alter ego. to which almost all superheroes now have.

almost every superhero after superman has at least one of supermans powers to a degree. most commonly super strength, which, superman is knowen most for, this power is now a staple of superheroes.

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can any other superhero say even 1 of those things? i highly doubt it, and even if they could, it wouldn't be more then one.

Superman is the very definition of what being a superhero means. not because hes at this moment the most popular, or has the coolest outfit, or goes through what is becoming the tiresome "tormented superhero complex" that seems to be the norm now

superman is the ultimate superhero, because he is THE superhero.

thats my argument, say what you will, i dont think any other hero has all that to his name.

superman is the ultimate superhero, case closed. If my post left you feeling insulted that's what happens when I'm insulted and accused of doing things I haven't done. I'm not trying to be offensive. I never said the Matrix was based on Spidey. You're 100% wrong on that. Period. No way around that. I don't go around calling people fanboys just because they like a character that I don't like. That's childish. You were 100% wrong on that too. I'm here to voice my opinion and I'll continue to do so. Some people get way too personal when you talk about a fictional character. It ain't that serious. You didn't get the Matrix fights comparison. I'll try to explain it better. I know Spidey doesn't know Kung Fu and I've never said anything like that. Spidey uses his own fighting style. It's composed of some complex moves and features feats of agility kind of like the Neo/Smith fights in the 1st Matrix. Supes is pretty much the same old punches all the time IMO. I remember in another post in another thread about how other heroes would be w/a green lantern ring somebody said Supes would probably just use the ring to make himself punch harderlaughing How you got "Matrix is based on Spider-Man" from anything I posted is beyond me. I have listened to everyone's points in this issue. It's not my fault some are invalid. People keep bringing up Superman's more powerful than Spidey(Supes din't fly until after Captain Marvel(DC) did it 1st for anybody who didn't know) .roll eyes (sarcastic) We get it. That's awesome, but it doesn't make him the best because although some refuse to believe it, there are characters out there who would simply mop the floor w/Superman. He's not the most powerful hero out there. All of the important factors were included in the Wizard and Bravo lists. Spidey still was #1. He's the best. Supes would absolutely mop the floor with him and Spidey's still better. So is Batman. It's NOT about power. I really wonder how much Superman's inconic status will help him in the box office. We'll see.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
I never said the Matrix was based on Spidey. You're 100% wrong on that. Period. You didn't get the Matrix fights comparison. I'll try to explain it better. I know Spidey doesn't know Kung Fu and I've never said anything like that. Spidey uses his own fighting style.

It's composed of some complex moves and features feats of agility kind of like the Neo/Smith fights in the 1st Matrix.

How you got "Matrix is based on Spider-Man" from anything I posted is beyond me. I have listened to everyone's points in this issue.

It's not my fault some are invalid.

All of the important factors were included in the Wizard and Bravo lists. Spidey still was #1. He's the best.

Supes would absolutely mop the floor with him and Spidey's still better. So is Batman.

It's NOT about power. I really wonder how much Superman's inconic status will help him in the box office. We'll see.

lmao, you wrote "I never said the Matrix movies were based on Spiderman". & "I know spidey doesn't know Kung-Fu and I've never said anything like that, Spidey uses his own style" but then a few posts earlier you wrote, and this is verbatim (exact wording).. "Look @ the fights between Neo and Smith in the 1st Matrix movie w/all the cool moves. That's like Spideystyle fighting." Either you really do have the child of a brain, Brainchild or your just being a deluded clown cause you sound nonsensical and contradictory as hell. It's not only beyond you, but it's beyond me as well.

It's not your fault some points are invalid to you? I think you, your points and what you write are invalid and not worthy enough to be taken seriously, honestly.

I respect Wizard but again, your answering a different question. The "popular one" Are you having reading comprehension issues or are you just to much of a webheaded fanboy in denial that in no way can admit when Spiderman is topped in a category. The question is, "is superman the ultimate hero" not "is "superman the most popular hero." which i think he is but just because your not as popular by a few fans doesn't mean that in the comic book universe, that you're not the mightiest (ultimate).

You experience dementia again when you say "Supes can beat spidey but spidey's better." Do me a favor, lay of the shrooms while posting cause I don't know what that meant. Tip: Backwards thinking causes ulcers.

To be the Ultimate, is to have more than power, so you're wrong. You have to have power and more. And again, box office numbers dove prove jack. Star Wars Ep. 1 made almost a billion dollars world-wide making way more than "Revenge of the Sith" did yet "Revenge/Sith" blew Ep. 1 out the water atomically as far as being a great movie.

Spiderman goes to Superman's "How to be Ultimate" class tonight, on this one.

brainchild81
No offense, but you are one of the dumbest posters on here. Seriously. In your world does "That's like Spideystyle fighting" = "Matrix is based on Spidey"? Maybe you'd have something if I said, "That's based on Spideystyle fighting". I didn't say that though. Understand what you read. Only a moron would get one from the other. Maybe you have the "child of a brain". "child of a brain"? That's powerful stupid right there.laughing but I'm sure it's not your fault and you're trying your bestlaughing You are 100% comedy

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by brainchild81
. I really wonder how much Superman's inconic status will help him in the box office. We'll see.

And that's about being the Ultimate Superhero? How much one makes in box office?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
To me, the Ultimate Superhero is what first comes in your mind when you hear the word: "superhero".

And that's Superman. And no-one else.

If you would ask every people in the world to name one superhero, 99% would say "Superman". SPider-Man is NOTHING compared to Superman in terms of anything. Cooler, maybe. But the Ultimate Superhero? No. Spider-Man is an popular character. Superman is an ICON.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by brainchild81
No offense, but you are one of the dumbest posters on here. Seriously. In your world does "That's like Spideystyle fighting" = "Matrix is based on Spidey"? Maybe you'd have something if I said, "That's based on Spideystyle fighting". I didn't say that though. Understand what you read. Only a moron would get one from the other. Maybe you have the "child of a brain". "child of a brain"? That's powerful stupid right there.laughing but I'm sure it's not your fault and you're trying your bestlaughing You are 100% comedy

Gimme one reason why Spider-Man is the Ultimate Superhero.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
No offense, but you are one of the dumbest posters on here. Seriously. In your world does "That's like Spideystyle fighting" = "Matrix is based on Spidey"? Maybe you'd have something if I said, "That's based on Spideystyle fighting". I didn't say that though. Understand what you read. Only a moron would get one from the other. Maybe you have the "child of a brain". "child of a brain"? That's powerful stupid right there.laughing but I'm sure it's not your fault and you're trying your bestlaughing You are 100% comedy

lol you're an idiot with whale turd for brains. Just where did you see me equate the two. I was stating how contradicting your posts are. But noticeably you didn't mention that, did ya. An intelligent person would've countered with debate. Not lollipop talk, man up.

And the "child of a Brain" was sarcastic. You conspicuously seem too low caliber to understand it's taste I suppose, so I apologize for being to intense on the pea-brain, Brainchild. It was intended to sound as bumbling as your posts are.

If insults are the only way you can rebuttal than you're just, not, a thinker,.. i guess, it's ok. A mediocre to low mentality has it's advantages like, ....knowing how to boil water, See!? But before you ask how it's done, which you will, you have to get it right before you get it wrong cause all you're doing is correcting grammar, insulting intel, swaying from the main question, avoiding debate, name calling, and not making sense, and not making a strong enough points, it's frustrating, grow cohones. Criticize the debaters idea & thought. Not the debator personally. Kids and single women do that. Come strong, with strong rebuttal, or don't come at all.

Lets talk the question. And not if my I's are dotted or someone's else's T's are cross or if The Anomaly can read or not. I mean look how far we've gotten of track..it's pathetic.

Now. Superman..

DarkCrawler
http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/5903/supermansymbol5bh.gif

Note that its not Spider-Man's insignia there. wink

NoFate007
But he has the flash's lightning bolt, and he's wearing that spider-man-esque shirt over it lol

FistOfThe North
But he ultimately looks like Clark Kent.

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol you're an idiot with whale turd for brains. Just where did you see me equate the two. I was stating how contradicting your posts are. But noticeably you didn't mention that, did ya. An intelligent person would've countered with debate. Not lollipop talk, man up. But there is no contradiction @ all unless you think "That's like Spideystyle fighting" = "Matrix is based on Spidey"confused I challenge you to either show how I've contratadicted myself here or renounce your accusation. If you don't it's because you can't.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And the "child of a Brain" was sarcastic. You conspicuously seem too low caliber to understand it's taste I suppose, so I apologize for being to intense on the pea-brain, Brainchild. It was intended to sound as bumbling as your posts are. Sureroll eyes (sarcastic)

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
If insults are the only way you can rebuttal than you're just, not, a thinker,.. i guess, it's ok. A mediocre to low mentality has it's advantages like, ....knowing how to boil water, See!? But before you ask how it's done, which you will, you have to get it right before you get it wrong cause all you're doing is correcting grammar, insulting intel, swaying from the main question, avoiding debate, name calling, and not making sense, and not making a strong enough points, it's frustrating, grow cohones. Criticize the debaters idea & thought. Not the debator personally. Kids and single women do that. Come strong, with strong rebuttal, or don't come at all. laughingTake your own advice dude(I'm quite sure you were the first to post insults) and don't forget to show where I've contradicted myslef w/the Matrix & Spidey. I really want to see that. Please don't copout.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Lets talk the question. And not if my I's are dotted or someone's else's T's are cross or if The Anomaly can read or not. I mean look how far we've gotten of track..it's pathetic.

Now. Superman.. I do agree about the getting off track, but when you started this thread, you should've been more clear. If you meant "Is Supes too powerful to be defeated by any other superhero?", that's what you should've put. The answer still would've been no, but Spidey's name probably wouldn't have been mentioned cause he has no chance of winning.Originally posted by FistOfThe North
This statement may scream of fanboyism to you skeptics, but I'll have to honestly say, that as I write this post, no superhero in any comic can defeat Superman in a fight. In and out of the DC realm.
Again, does anybody else agree w/this? Darkcrawler?

brainchild81
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Gimme one reason why Spider-Man is the Ultimate Superhero. I thought I did already. But If were talking who'd kick everybody's a$$, that takes Spidey right out of this (and Superman although he'd kick waaaaay more a$$es than Spidey).Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And that's about being the Ultimate Superhero? How much one makes in box office? No, but if Supes is still as popular as some think & his movie is good, it should logically make more money than Spidey's did. At the absolute least, it should tie. There are many factors involved in this though. Spidey's movies have each grossed more than any other superhero's movie to my knowledge(That includes each Superman movie, even after adjustments for inflation. 1st one broke records for weekend gross if I remember right. I could be wrong, but that's raresmile). I think he deserves icon status.


Originally posted by DarkCrawler

If you would ask every people in the world to name one superhero, 99% would say "Superman". SPider-Man is NOTHING compared to Superman in terms of anything. Cooler, maybe. But the Ultimate Superhero? No. Spider-Man is an popular character. Superman is an ICON. Supes came 1st. I really don't think Supes is more popular today. There's really no way to proove or disprove this though save asking every living person. Not gonna happen.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by Mindship
There's the cross, Superman...what's the third one?
I don't think there's an actual list since every major corperation, religion, and country claims their symbol is in the top 3 most recognizable symbols in the world.

DarkCrawler
Can you give one reason right now?

brainchild81
OK. He showed us that teens could be heroes and not just sidekicks. He changed the game. Do you agree with FONorth that Supes can't be defeated by any other superhero? Please answer.

DarkCrawler
He showed that teenages can be superheroes. Superman basically created the whole concept of being superhero. Superman CREATED the game. He beats Spider-Man when it comes to introducing new things...

Yes, there are superheroes that can beat Superman.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He showed that teenages can be superheroes. Superman basically created the whole concept of being superhero. Superman CREATED the game. He beats Spider-Man when it comes to introducing new things...
That's not saying much. Super heroes would of came about with or without Superman.

brainchild81
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He showed that teenages can be superheroes. Superman basically created the whole concept of being superhero. Superman CREATED the game. He beats Spider-Man when it comes to introducing new things...

Yes, there are superheroes that can beat Superman. Thanks. Had to make sure I wasn't the only one here who doesn't think Supes is unbeatable.

Spidey still exists in his original form also. He's never had to be wiped from existence because he was too powerful and boring.

brainchild81
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's not saying much. Super heroes would of came about with or without Superman. I've been saying that for a while now.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's not saying much. Super heroes would of came about with or without Superman.

Yeah, but in this reality, Superman was the one who created the game, and that makes him the most important one.

If someone else then Superman had put the superheroes on start, I would be saying that he is the Ultimate Superhero.

And hey, it's not like there wouldn't be any teenage heroes without Spider-Man either. wink

brainchild81
So 1st = Ultimate?

DarkCrawler
If the 1st is also the most recognized, the epitomy of "superhero", then yes.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And hey, it's not like there wouldn't be any teenage heroes without Spider-Man either. wink
I'm not saying there wouldn't. I saying; UN, get a life, nerds, he's just a comic book character.

BobbyD
This is not a shot, Fist of the North, but I thought it was just common knowledge that people knew Supes is the "ultimate" Superhero. When you say ultimate, to me, I read it as who is the epitomy of the ultimate superhero. When I read it to mean like that, there is only one, and whoever is second is a distant second. To me, it reads who is a good superhero, meaning good guy, with the best attitude, traits, emotions, feelings, etc, etc....not to sound too mushy.

I've only got one thing to say, the death of Batman or Spiderman, whom I consider to be 2nd & 3rd in this contest would never generate the buzz across the globe that the death of Clark had. That's about as simple as I can put it, and I think his makeup has something to do with that, not just his popularity.

Now, there may other more formidale "good" guys to choose from other than Supes to pick from if you were going into a fight with to cover your back, but that's not how a I read this thread.

DarkCrawler
Superman's catchprase beats Spider-Man's stick out tongue:

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FistOfThe North
Originally posted by BobbyD
This is not a shot, Fist of the North, but I thought it was just common knowledge that people knew Supes is the "ultimate" Superhero. When you say ultimate, to me, I read it as who is the epitomy of the ultimate superhero. When I read it to mean like that, there is only one, and whoever is second is a distant second. To me, it reads who is a good superhero, meaning good guy, with the best attitude, traits, emotions, feelings, etc, etc

No offence taken but it's obviously not common knowledge to some, without mentioning any specific names, you know who you are, but you did read the question right just in-case, BobbyD. It's the way I intended it to be understood. If Superman epitomizes the words "Ultimate Superhero". And I saw YES. without a doubt, no questions ask. Period.

And for those who believe that Superman, at this point, can be defeated in a fight by any superhero in comic book existence, may you list the names of superheros that can literally beat Superman in a hand to hand fight, please? Thank you.

brainchild81
So now it's just a hand to hand fight? laughing Have you found a contradiction in my matrix comparison yet?

BobbyD
Hand to hand, FistoftheNorth? Not many...in fact very few. Few would dare try to fight the rare combination of speed, agility, and strength in a mano a mano situation with the Man of Steel...aka boxing match. However, that does not mean he can't be beaten easily by these same foes with other means.

brainchild81
Ditto. I don't really consider supes agile though.

BobbyD
Agreed. I suppose seeing, thinking, processing info and moving at super speeds means you don't need agility? confused

brainchild81
Ditto.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
So now it's just a hand to hand fight? laughing Have you found a contradiction in my matrix comparison yet?

Yea, that's right a hand to hand fight. Know why I wrote that? Because I know you gonna come out with the "Kryptonite" argument. Which is understandable, but lets make the fight happen it without the green rock involved. And since Superman Prime is Superman at his most powerful, can anyone please name an opponent who will defeat Prime in an up & up fight? I wanna see this.

And Brainchild, I said you were trying to equate Spiderman's style of fighting with the Matrix style of fighting. You even said it yourself, quote (paraphrasing): "The Matrix fights are like Spideystyle fighting" but then a few posts later you wrote that in no way, do you think and never wrote/said that the Matrix and Spiderman are similar in any way. You can't get more blatantly contradicting than that, man.

Superman opens up a can on the teen webhead when it comes to who's the more ultimate. Being popular can come second for me, if I was a superhero. Because popularity cannot touch being the Ultimate. being the Ultimate is on a higher algebra. And that goes for any other Superhero anyone else pits against Superman P., too.

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yea, that's right a hand to hand fight. Know why I wrote that? Because I know you gonna come out with the "Kryptonite" argument. Which is understandable, but lets make the fight happen it without the green rock involved. And since Superman Prime is Superman at his most powerful, can anyone please name an opponent who will defeat Prime in an up & up fight? I wanna see this.

And Brainchild, I said you were trying to equate Spiderman's style of fighting with the Matrix style of fighting. You even said it yourself, quote (paraphrasing): "The Matrix fights are like Spideystyle fighting" but then a few posts later you wrote that in no way, do you think and never wrote/said that the Matrix and Spiderman are similar in any way. You're wrong again dude. Totally wrong. Where did I post anything like that last part? You should quote me directly using the quote button. You won't find me saying that though. I did say "That's like Spideystyle fighting." Then later I said "The Matrix isn't based on Spidey" There is absolutely no contradiction in that. Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You can't get more blatantly contradicting than that, man.& you can't show your lack of reading comprehension better than that, manlaughing

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Superman opens up a can on the teen webhead when it comes to who's the more ultimate. Being popular can come second for me, if I was a superhero. Because popularity cannot touch being the Ultimate. being the Ultimate is on a higher algebra. And that goes for any other Superhero anyone else pits against Superman P., too. 1st Spidey's not a teenager anymore dude. Shows how much you know about Spidey right there roll eyes (sarcastic) 2nd, you assume that I was gonna say kryptonite(You seem to think that's his only weakness. I'm starting to think you know less about Supes than I do). You're 100% wrong though. AGAIN. I'm noticing a trend here. There are characters who can yank the energy right out of Supes(Like S.Surfer), and others who could use Magic(Dr.Strange, Dr. Fate, Thor, honestly Cap. Marvel), others who could telepathically attack him and never get hit by him(Martian Manhunter, Phoenix) Now it's Superman Prime?laughing Isn't S.Prime a powered up future version?(Others have amped up versions--(King Thor, Cosmic Spidey, Surfer w/quantum bands, etc.) also but I wasn't gonna use 'em because I don't feel a need to stack things against Supes. It's seeming more and more like you're trying to power up Supes and give him a boost he wouldn't normally have and make rule ups to further help Supes out. Pathetic.) You have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a fanboy who's lousy @ debating, doesn't understand what he reads, and will do anything to stack the odds in Supes favor. You are transparent

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
You're wrong again dude. Totally wrong. Where did I post anything like that last part? You should quote me directly using the quote button. You won't find me saying that though. I did say "That's like Spideystyle fighting." Then later I said "The Matrix isn't based on Spidey" There is absolutely no contradiction in that. & you can't show your lack of reading comprehension better than that, manlaughing

1st Spidey's not a teenager anymore dude. Shows how much you know about Spidey right there roll eyes (sarcastic) 2nd, you assume that I was gonna say kryptonite(You seem to think that's his only weakness. I'm starting to think you know less about Supes than I do). You're 100% wrong though. AGAIN. I'm noticing a trend here. There are characters who can yank the energy right out of Supes(Like S.Surfer), and others who could use Magic(Dr.Strange, Dr. Fate, Thor, honestly Cap. Marvel), others who could telepathically attack him and never get hit by him(Martian Manhunter, Phoenix) Now it's Superman Prime?laughing Isn't S.Prime a powered up future version?(Others have amped up versions--(King Thor, Cosmic Spidey, Surfer w/quantum bands, etc.) also but I wasn't gonna use 'em because I don't feel a need to stack things against Supes. It's seeming more and more like you're trying to power up Supes and give him a boost he wouldn't normally have and make rule ups to further help Supes out. Pathetic.) You have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a fanboy who's lousy @ debating, doesn't understand what he reads, and will do anything to stack the odds in Supes favor. You are transparent

laughing out loud

"Ah. How wondrous the Brain of a Child." - the FistOTN/S

I chuckled gleefully thru your post as they're still as amusing as always. Especially the part where you again, blatantly contradicted yourself, once more, by saying yourself, in this same post I'm quoting you on. Lets see.. Quote 1. "Thats like Spideystyle Fighting" Quote 2. "The Matrix isn't based on Spidey." You first make a comparison involving the two then you say how the 2 are based on nothing having to do with each other. That's not called reading comprehension or even a contradiction, not anymore. It's called Down Syndrome. How can you put yourself on the spot like that again, that part disappointed me seriously, I told you to come stronger on the last post and this is what you give me!

And Spiderman's still a teen in some mediums but yes, he's an adult in the comics, BFD. See? I don't not even have to be on his nutsaks to know that one. smile 2nd. I only mentioned that you might mention Kryptonite because it was his main weakness, and what better way to expose Supes weakness the most than with Kryptonite. I know magic can disable Superman and more but that wasn't the evading question you won't answer, as you remind me of politicians, only not as bright. You still haven't directly answered my question. Well, you have but with degradations, belittlements and insults as usual, and understandably. Who can beat Superman in a fist fight. Don't be scared or mad, little doggie. Just answer the F question (rep.) State Senator BrainChild. Or don't you understand it? WyTF are you mentioning people who can "yank" or cast magic, telepathy and telekinesis on Superman, was that the question? No.

And I'm not making rules up. In fact I made it easier for other superheros by saying only a fist fight. Lets make it with no heat vision, breath, no flying, just his strength. There, you happy. In fact, lets take all of Superman's powers away except strength and make him regular Superman not Prime. Now tell me. Reread it if you're having the usual comprehensive challenges that plague what I call the "little special people", ok?

I'm not a fanboy, I'm a factboy. And you used the word "transparent" wrong too.

- TFOTNS

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
You have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a fanboy who's lousy @ debating, doesn't understand what he reads. You are transparent

I can honestly give two 2 steamy turds, what you think of me personally. As far as I know you're just text on my screen. But If your gonna sit there and lie thru your statements as some pathetic and desperate attempt at trying to "Save Spidey", thats when I become.."unmotivated" which kinda makes me wanna discontinue any type of verbal intercourse with anyone the likes of you, having the incapability of retaining a higher caliber.

This is what you said on the Dec3rd, verbatim (word for word). Quote #1:

"Wow. I don't remember accusing people who love Supes of being fanboys. I don't think I'd ever do that to someone for merely loving a character. It wouldn't be right. Any proof of this?"

(same day) Quote #2:

"I don't go around calling people fanboys just because they like a character that I don't like. That's childish. You were 100% wrong on that too. I'm here to voice my opinion and I'll continue to do so."

But the again you blatantly & completely go against your fanboy references by saying, (Dec8) Quote#3: "You have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a fanboy who's lousy @ debating."

IMO, you shouldn't be on here voicing your opinion at all, you don't deserve to do so. "With great power, comes great responsibility" as Ben said in the movie. A power you have abused. The power and freedom of speech. So forthwith and henceforth, you have been stripped of all validity and credulity to me. Senator.

GODOFALL1
This is a tough question. I would say he is the most popular. However, if you are really really wanting to know the most powerful superhero of all time.....that is an easy one. GOKU from DragonBallZ. He is hands down the most powerful being EVER. And please don't argue. There is no arguement.

GODOFALL1
ONE MORE THING.....YOU CAN TAKE ALL OF THE SUPERHERO'S YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....SUPERMAN, SPIDERMAN, PRIME THIS, PRIME THAT....ETC...AND GOKU WOULD DESTROY THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SERIOUSLY.....NO REALLY......SERIOUSLY...LOL

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
This is a tough question. I would say he is the most popular. However, if you are really really wanting to know the most powerful superhero of all time.....that is an easy one. GOKU from DragonBallZ. He is hands down the most powerful being EVER. And please don't argue. There is no arguement.

S. Prime over-outmatches Goku's highest Sayin level. Look it up.

Superman is the Ultimate Superhero.

cool

brainchild81

BobbyD
GodofAll, read the thread. It doesn't state who's the most powerful. It asks, more or less, who represents the epitomy of the ultimate superhero.

BobbyD
Brainchild and FistoftheNorth, still going at it I see. bangin

You two haven't exhausted each other yet? stick out tongue

brainchild81
Originally posted by BobbyD
GodofAll, read the thread. It doesn't state who's the most powerful. It asks, more or less, who represents the epitomy of the ultimate superhero. It's vague though. FON seems to have turned it to an @ss kicking contest.Originally posted by BobbyD
Brainchild and FistoftheNorth, still going at it I see. bangin

You two haven't exhausted each other yet? stick out tongue laughing Not yet. I just voice my opinion and try to edify. Just trying to explain to FON what a few words mean.

BobbyD
FON, that's a big no-no turning this into a vs thread. Is Brainchild telling the truth?

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North

To me, the ultimate superhero should be the most powerful as well.

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
This statement may scream of fanboyism to you skeptics, but I'll have to honestly say, that as I write this post, no superhero in any comic can defeat Superman in a fight. In and out of the DC realm.

To me, the Ultimate Superhero is the mightiest being. And that's Superman.

You can't be the Ultimate Superhero if your not the mightiest. Popular or not. And I know Thor comes up but it shouldn't cause he's only the mighty Thor while Supes is the mightiest.

Mighty - Having or showing great power, skill, strength, or force: a mighty orator; a mighty blow.

Most Superheroes are mighty. But being the mightiest means to be mighty to an extreme degree. That's Ultimate. Just like Superman is.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
It's vague though. FON seems to have turned it to an @ss kicking contest.laughing Not yet. I just voice my opinion and try to edify. Just trying to explain to FON what a few words mean.

I still didn't see how transparency or has to do with your claim of my fanboyism, but anyway.

lol, you're a fraud, seriously dude. Admit it. Here Ill help you with that.

So you do "go around calling people fanboys just because they like a character that you don't like."

So you "have accused people who love Supes of being fanboys" Even after saying "I don't think I'd ever do that to someone for merely loving a character" cause "It wouldn't be right." Now what's inside quotes are verbatim (word for word) that you claimed you didn't or don't do. lol, f liar.

This may seemed like I turned into a vS character beef but I guess my trying to compare the might of Superman with those of others may have digressed into what may have seem like battles. If that's how it was taken, fair enough and understandable. It certainly wasn't the intention.

Brainchild, to you Spiderman is the Ultimate Superhero. I know that by you writing on Nov4, Quote: "There was a special about this on Bravo. Spidey won. He's the ultimate." And by how you much you enjoy P.P.

And this is the opinion of both Bravo & yours I'm assuming. Or if your saying Spiderman's the ultimate because Bravo said so. I duno. But so far on this post, you've been practically alone on this notion, as far as this thread goes.

And I say Superman is indeed the Ultimate Superhero and I already explained why, as well as a handful of other posters have. Where do we go from there? It's been a month and you arduously fail to see. But to each his own, I guess.

I know.

The Majority rules. But check it, not due to popularity, but by the outnumbering amount of posters against your "Spiderman as the Ultimate" opinion, on here who truly know that Superman is the Ultimate Superhero.

brainchild81
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I still didn't see how transparency or has to do with your claim of my fanboyism, but anyway.

lol, you're a fraud, seriously dude. Admit it. Here Ill help you with that.

So you do "go around calling people fanboys just because they like a character that you don't like."

So you "have accused people who love Supes of being fanboys" Even after saying "I don't think I'd ever do that to someone for merely loving a character" cause "It wouldn't be right." Now what's inside quotes are verbatim (word for word) that you claimed you didn't or don't do. lol, f liar.
You don't get it. I don't call people fanboys merely for liking a character I don't. It is childish to do that and it wouldn't be right, you on the other hand are acting like a fanboy. If you just loved him I wouldn't have called you one. Look @ some of your posts. That's why I called you one. Seriously, you should do a lil' self-reflection. Have you any proof of me calling someone a fanboy merely for liking another character?(the answer is likely no) If not, renounce your accusation. There are many who love Supes, and few who I've called a fanboy(That punches a giant hole in your bulls*it doesn't it?). I promise you they were acting like fanboys when I called them on it. I save that word for people like you and jedimasterluke. While I don't think you're as bad as JMLuke, you've said some pretty fanboyish shit dude. How many people here have I even called fanboys? You tend to say alot about me w/no evidence. It's getting tiresome. Even people on your side of the issue don't agree w/some of the ridiculous shit you post.

FistOfThe North

GODOFALL1
YOU CAN'T BE THE ULTIMATE......IF YOU HAVE WEAKNESSES. GOKU HAS NO WEAKNESSES. AND FIST OF THE NORTHSTAR....NO...I DON'T THINK SO BUD. LOOK UP WHAT? SOMETHING SOMEONE MADE UP? IM SORRY BUDDY. SUPERMAN IS SECOND BEST TO GOKU. HE'S THE ONLY SUPER HERO THAT LITERALLY GETS TOUGHER AND STRONGER THE LONGER HE FIGHTS. SUPERMAN WORE OUT AGAINST DOOMSDAY. HE WAS ALSO KILLED. YOU THINK GOKU WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN CARE OF DOOMSDAY JUST LIKE THAT(SNAPPING FINGERS) DON'T GET ME WRONG...I LOVE SUPERMAN. HE IS MY FAVORITE....BUT, THIS IS JUST HOW IT IS MAN. SUPERMAN PRIME....THAT JUST SOUNDS GAY.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
AND FIST OF THE NORTHSTAR....NO...I DON'T THINK SO BUD. LOOK UP WHAT? SOMETHING SOMEONE MADE UP?

IM SORRY BUDDY. SUPERMAN IS SECOND BEST TO GOKU. HE'S THE ONLY SUPER HERO THAT LITERALLY GETS TOUGHER AND STRONGER THE LONGER HE FIGHTS.

SUPERMAN WORE OUT AGAINST DOOMSDAY. HE WAS ALSO KILLED. YOU THINK GOKU WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN CARE OF DOOMSDAY JUST LIKE THAT(SNAPPING FINGERS) DON'T GET ME WRONG...I LOVE SUPERMAN. HE IS MY FAVORITE....BUT, THIS IS JUST HOW IT IS MAN. SUPERMAN PRIME....THAT JUST SOUNDS GAY.

Hu? Wha,,? lolol wt hell are you speaking of you strumpet? Look what up? I was talking to Brainchild telling him to "look up" the poignant evidence I post that I've dated for him incase he wants to look it up.

And Superman being the best to Goku? You know what? I respect Goku like so much. He's basically like my top 3 fav characters, but you know what, Superman will have to top him IMO just because Goku is basically a Japanese rip-off of Superman. I basically love the in depth stories, I guess and he is the main character but that how I feel about that. If Superman didn't exist, Goku wouldn't exist.

As far as seeing Goku's energy replenishing the more he get his arse kicked, thats suspect for you to say that unless you're talking about him getting mad and powering up out of no where into a higher sayin level. I've seen Goku get uber stomped to the point of bloodiness.

And Doomsday got broken just as badly as Superman did cause Doomsday died too. (Superman vS Doomsday top 5 best fight in history, to me.)

Superman Prime is;t gay, man . Don't ever say that again. mad
Pitting Prime against goku would be hysterically and ridiculously way out of sync. Prime is a God. Goku can't maintain. (against Prime) But he still rawks, hehe. big grin

Bloigen
superman

brainchild81

MattDay
Here's a shocker! Superman is the ultimate superhero... Doh! didn't see that coming, just put into google, look for a poll which has been going on for a while now and superman has cleaned house on the poll, which has had some silly number put a vote in.

MattDay
Originally posted by MattDay
Here's a shocker! Superman is the ultimate superhero... Doh! didn't see that coming, just put into google, look for a poll which has been going on for a while now and superman has cleaned house on the poll, which has had some silly number put a vote in.

nearly a billion lol just checked

olympian
"This statement may scream of fanboyism to you skeptics, but I'll have to honestly say, that as I write this post, no superhero in any comic can defeat Superman in a fight. In and out of the DC realm.

To me, the Ultimate Superhero is the mightiest being. And that's Superman. "

Not may. It does.

Captain Marvel has "mightiest" on its pun name. That makes him mightier than Superman who doesnt, wouldnt you agree.


"And for those who believe that Superman, at this point, can be defeated in a fight by any superhero in comic book existence, may you list the names of superheros that can literally beat Superman in a hand to hand fight, please? Thank you."

Hand to Hand?

Wonder Woman (who he already lost to, twice)

Orion

Thor

Heracles

Hulk

Forgotten One.

To name a few.



"Yea, that's right a hand to hand fight. Know why I wrote that? Because I know you gonna come out with the "Kryptonite" argument. Which is understandable, but lets make the fight happen it without the green rock involved"

Right.

But none of the above need any green K to win against Supes h2h.



"but lets make the fight happen it without the green rock involved. And since Superman Prime is Superman at his most powerful, can anyone please name an opponent who will defeat Prime in an up & up fight? I wanna see this."

What do you know of Prime exactly. Ever saw him doing anything other than defeating an opponent Kyle would have?

You also have:

Rune Thor/Odinpower Thor

Odin/Zeus

Lucifer/Michael

The Presence

Spectre

To name a few.

Again. This is pathetic.



"And Brainchild, I said you were trying to equate Spiderman's style of fighting with the Matrix style of fighting. You even said it yourself, quote (paraphrasing): "The Matrix fights are like Spideystyle fighting" but then a few posts later you wrote that in no way, do you think and never wrote/said that the Matrix and Spiderman are similar in any way. You can't get more blatantly contradicting than that, man".


What does Spiderman style of fighting has to do with Superman?

Brainchild is actually right. That post has more lunacy than Bush invading Iraq.

olympian
Edit:

"That post has as much lunacy as Bush invading Iraq."

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by brainchild81
This is when I 1st smelled fanboy on you. It gets worse though Changed it to a fist fight because some can use his kryptonite and his other weaknesses against him. Might as well have said "I'm a fanboy. I really don't want Supes to lose, so I make up conditions that should help Supes win." Pretty bad......but it still gets worse.sick The fanboyism is starting to make me want to vomit here. Now it's not just a fight, it's a fist fight. And now it's not just Supes. It's Supes Prime. Should've just said "I'm a fanboy and I think that if I make the fight as simple for Supes as possible and upgrade Supes so much I use one that doesn't currently exist that Supes will win. I hate the idea of Supes losing so much that I'll put any stupid rules I can think of to help Supes out. I'm quite pathetic." And you still hold on to the contradiction falsehood because you don't remember or comprehend what you read. Shame.

You've said that Supes couldn't be defeated in a fight by any other hero. A couple of people besides myself do not agree.

People may not agree w/me on Spidey being the Ultimate, but that's cool. I respect their right to opinion. You on the other hand use non-hilarius insults and misinterpretations because you can't accept that someone might not agree w/you(and because you don't know what a contradiction islaughing )

Yea, im thru with you. This shit is pointless now. You know a thread's getting sloppy when it becomes cyclical.

It's been more than a month of this shit, I'm good, lol We just have different views thats all. I believe Superman is the Ultimate Superhero and you believe Spiderman is. Too bad.

FistOfThe North
Originally posted by olympian
To me, the Ultimate Superhero is the mightiest being. And that's Superman. "

Not may. It does.

Captain Marvel has "mightiest" on its pun name. That makes him mightier than Superman who doesnt, wouldnt you agree.

Hand to Hand?

Wonder Woman (who he already lost to, twice)

Orion Thor Heracles Hulk Forgotten One.
To name a few.

What do you know of Prime exactly. Ever saw him doing anything other than defeating an opponent Kyle would have?

You also have:

Rune Thor/Odinpower Thor Odin/Zeus Lucifer/Michael The Presence
Spectre

To name a few.

Again. This is pathetic.



"And Brainchild, I said you were trying to equate Spiderman's style of fighting with the Matrix style of fighting. You even said it yourself, quote (paraphrasing): "The Matrix fights are like Spideystyle fighting" but then a few posts later you wrote that in no way, do you think and never wrote/said that the Matrix and Spiderman are similar in any way. You can't get more blatantly contradicting than that, man".


What does Spiderman style of fighting has to do with Superman?

Brainchild is actually right. That post has more lunacy than Bush invading Iraq.

Captain Marvel's pun is "Earth's Mightiest Mortal", you strumpet. How does that make him mightier than Superman, who is immortal. so NO, I don't agree.

I honestly believe you mentioned those names sarcastically. Just to ignite something I think, cause you were joking,... right?

..well, right??

What does Spideystyle have to do with Superman? If you've been reading the past 10 or 11 posts, n00b, you'd know. Go find out the answers for your own pathetic next time, invalid.

Brainchild is right? You seem as if you formed a stern opinion just because some one else said so. Or maybe your questionably interested in him, who knows, but I digress,

pr1983
Ultimate in what context?

In terms of power? No... In terms of Skill? No...

In terms of coming through when the shit hits the fan and putting his life on the line for all of humanity... Yeah, just a bit...

BobbyD
This thread is starting to actually get comical now. laughing out loud

nate100
I just spent an hour reading all these posts and i want my money back.

For what its worth, i think they both rock and IMO i dont think i could nail who is the ultimate.

i would love to be able to fly thou......

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