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I would realy like to see a peakhuman do this

or this. also thease are some of his lower end strength feats. also every single new hand book and guides state him at superhuman or enchanced

In hte Marvel official handbook 2004, Wolverines Strength stat is at level 4. Which means he can lift from 800 lbs to 25 tons. This doesn;t mean he can lift 25 tons, but it means he can lift at least 800 lbs.

there are other guides in such that state him starting at 2 tons

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Originally posted by wolverine8888
there are other guides in such that state him starting at 2 tons

True, but this is the official 2004 guide thingie.... any ways, if they had him lifting 2 tons, then they'd be just padding his stats to appease die hard Wolvie fans. IMO, they need to nerf his strength a bit.

Also, all the guides are weird. At one point, Xavier claimed Wolvie to be a military genius. he said that Wolvie was able to do a gold medal gymnastics routine flawlessly, while beating 4 chess players all at the same time. So I guess different X-Men writers like to either nerf Wolverine, or stack him like crazy,

I know he superhuman but most people do not like to hear it

Originally posted by kichiku_beihei
True, but this is the official 2004 guide thingie....
I own it

lol then you know when reading every other X-Man's stats, their either being embellished.... alot, or nerfed. Each writer(s) like to add their own touch to their favorite and despised X-Men.

yes but still does nto change the fact wolverine is super human strength. it is listed in many hand books and guides along with comcis and feat to abck it up

Originally posted by wolverine8888
I know he superhuman but most people do not like to hear it

Actually i for one Like wolvie..but i don't belive he can lift 2 tons.....it doesn't fit with his mutatation....which gives him enhanced healing and senses....simply doesn't make sense that he would bave the ability to lift in excess of two tons

1. Dude wolverine does not have superhuman strength he is peak human. Ok he is in the superhuman range but Logan aint that strong at all he couldn't lift a ton on the best day of his life..................

2. Can I ask you a question?? have you ever created a thread where you haven't mentioned wolverine???

also, if you're looking for examples of wolverine having superhuman strength, it's better to get them from an era where strength levels are actually somewhat defined. you know, not from around when the hulk jumped into space, or from when he started lifting mountain ranges. maybe not from when sasquatch was throwing around jumbo jets like they were used pieces of gum.

wolverine doesn't have superhuman strength. apocalypse didn't even work on him when he made him a horseman, he just gave him some fancy tech and a new batch of adamantium. there's nothing that will stand the test of time that can prove wolverine has superhuman strength. it's just how it is.

Thank you for dispelling a comon myth among many fanboys........



any mods watching please please please close this thread which could have easily gone in the q&a thread and not been a waste of extra thread space..........

(marvel unverse offial hand book) (thunder bolts guess staring new swordmen) (official hand book of the marvel unverse wolverine 2004) marvel knights official hand book) (marvel vs DC) all say other wise along with the wolverine as patch and many others. so no actauly he does have superhuman strength not peak. u guys show no prove. u just say he does not. wolverine fist fights warpath who is a class 75 tons. wolverine beat calibian in a few punches. wolverine beats the crap out of rough-house with his fists all the time. so no u guys are incorrect wolverien ahs superhuman strength not peak human

warpath's class 90, by the way.

when wolverine was introduced, way back in hulk, he was meant to be a typical superhuman with incredible resistance to injury, spidey-like strength, and fancy gloves that had claws. when he became a mutant, he kept the resistance to injury in the form of a healing factor, kept the claws in form of a mutation/alterations by weapon x, AND LOST HIS SUPER-STRENGTH. ask len wein, who created wolverine.

wolverine can go toe to toe with a lot of heavy hitters, but then, so can captain america. is captain america superhuman now? hitting people with metal fists does not equate to superhuman strength. it's a myth you're gonna need to wrap your head around.

peak human with metal fist can do this

also u ahve yet to prove wolverine does not have superhuman strength u just spit out a lot of bullshit when i show hard facts

He doesn't have superhuman strength, posting a feat doesn't take away what he's been characterized to do.

Batman took a hit from superman, and spiderman beat firelord right?

Originally posted by wolverine8888
peak human with metal fist can do this

Yes thats right. peak human fists did that, NOT superhuman fists. We have kinda figured wolverine is your favourite character, thats ok. The problem is mate, no offence or anything, but I don't think you have convinced anyone that Logan is in the super-human range strength. Logan is the product of a writer hyping up a character because of their popularity.

Personally I think Logan is an ok character if written fairly. unfortunately nowadays, this happens less and less. However when Logan did have a good storyline (and theres plenty of them eg Origin, the Logan files etc) it wasn't good because Logan was considered really strong or anything. it was because he was true to his powers and skills. Not how bias writers or fanboys portay him as.................

what is he even doing in that scan, punching some guy in the head? i don't see where on that page a "superhuman" feat is even occurring.

under water some guy flys throu solid concret. please tell me how a peak human could do that?. also u all say his character was not made to be that way yet all the hand books and his feats say other wise how funny.

Originally posted by Disappear
also, if you're looking for examples of wolverine having superhuman strength, it's better to get them from an era where strength levels are actually somewhat defined. you know, not from around when the hulk jumped into space, or from when he started lifting mountain ranges. maybe not from when sasquatch was throwing around jumbo jets like they were used pieces of gum.

wolverine doesn't have superhuman strength. apocalypse didn't even work on him when he made him a horseman, he just gave him some fancy tech and a new batch of adamantium. there's nothing that will stand the test of time that can prove wolverine has superhuman strength. it's just how it is. So Wolverine took down hulk under his own power?

And if he was powered up to take hulk, how was he depowered?

Originally posted by willRules
1. Dude wolverine does not have superhuman strength he is peak human. Ok he is in the superhuman range but Logan aint that strong at all he couldn't lift a ton on the best day of his life.................. Wolverine is in the superhuman range but isn't superhuman . . makes perfect sense. . .

I agree with wolverine8888 in that you can argue that Wolverine has superhuman strength. Remember however, Gambit has done some stuff with his agility/reflexes that are superhuman, yet he still isn't listed as superhuman in either. It might just be the writers trying to hype Wolverine up like the others have said.

i'll tell you how a "peak human" can punch a man through concrete underwater, if you can clear some other things up for me. and, for the last time, the force of logan's punches is not representative of his strength level. a 30 year old man hitting you with a twig is gonna hurt a lot less than a teenager smacking you with an aluminum baseball bat, and have a much weaker impact.

anyway... you tell me how a peak human can kick a metal grate out of a metal wall, or bend a tree trunk to catapult himself, or push over a massive boulder strong enough to fell a giant, or stop a charging rhino (or two) and snap their necks, or lift a throne that three men could hardly move, or rip metal shackles from a stone wall, stop himself from a several-hundred foot fall by grabbing a tree's vine, or even evade a punch from quicksilver, and i'll tell you how a peak human can punch a guy's head through concrete, while underwater.

oh wait! i don't need you to tell me, i already know! it's called a "plot device!" it's where the writer, taking liberties with the truth of a story in order to make it more appealing or "jazzy," embellishes a feat or action taken by a character. so t'challa, the black panther and one of the most noted, widely-accepted "peak humans" in the superheroing world, is able to do all the shit i listed above, despite a lack of realism. wanna bet that's the same principle that applies to wolverine, marvel's golden boy with the mutated DNA?

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non of thos picks showed a dam thing. pushing a rock that bg i easy with leverage. the tree rtrunk was not even a ****en tree trunk it a a piece of wood I could of done i. ur picture show nuthing that would put black panther in wolveriens strength level. again wolverine is posted in all the newest hand books at superhuman. he is stated in many many comics that he is at superhuman and his feats prove it

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