Problem with Icke debates

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Grand Moff Gav
The problem with debates about David Icke's theory's is that no-one reads anything about them and just says they're rubbish. So please if you haven't researched a conspiracy theory please don't call it rubbish!

Mr _Whirlysplat
Rubbish

Grand Moff Gav
Thank God this isn't a debate!

Deano
that came out of the blue lol

the truth can hurt people GMG

Grand Moff Gav
Yeah it can!..........................................................still think Icke's a prat who wants to make aload of money!

Deano
why does he?
he has to make money to live

Grand Moff Gav
He thinks he's the Messiah

debbiejo
From what I've read on the forum and I don't know Icky....but There are many many other authors and books that do declare some of the same thing.....maybe some of it could be true....Never know.

Grand Moff Gav
You will if the Illuminati take over!

Shakyamunison
I have read only a small amount of what is on the web and it was too sales pitch oriented for me. It sounds like Buddhism but there are some major discrepancies from the teachings of Buddha.

PVS
if i told you that my belief is that lizard men control the world, would you listen to ANYTHING else i had to say, no matter how profound? there's a little thing called "CREDIBILITY" and icke cut his into tiny pieces and flushed it down the toilet.

KharmaDog
Alien Lizard People...............'nuff said.

Deano
there is a lot of evidence that suggests aliens were around all those thousands of years ago. why is it so hard for you to believe aliens have not visited earth

KharmaDog
post some evidence please

mailedbypostman
I don't believe in him.

idowhatiamtold
:-X

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
post some evidence please

Look back to the Egyptian scrolls and tablets. They speak of gods coming from the sky in contraptions never before seen. Pyramids are another great mystery. How could different cultures halfway around the world from each other create such similar designs at around the same exact time. i dont think storys liek these were te product of an over active imagination


look at this and be astonished
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm

Mr _Whirlysplat
Back to you cage Dean

Mr _Whirlysplat
The scary side of Icke

http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

BackFire
The problem with Icke debates is that they center on giant lizard men.

Mr _Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
The problem with Icke debates is that they center on giant lizard men.

and not his neo Nazi views or far right connections sad

BackFire
No, those are just for kicks.

Mr _Whirlysplat
He is buddies with the KKK sad

BackFire
But the lizard people!

Mr _Whirlysplat
Originally posted by BackFire
But the lizard people!

Indeed the Lizard People I wish I had that pic of them I used to post whenever Deano mentioned Icke still sad

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
Look back to the Egyptian scrolls and tablets. They speak of gods coming from the sky in contraptions never before seen.

They also believed that Pharaohs were gods. That mummification preserved you into the afterlife, and a tonne of other stuff. Are you saying that if the Egyptians believed something it must be true?


Originally posted by Deano

Pyramids are another great mystery. How could different cultures halfway around the world from each other create such similar designs at around the same exact time. Originally posted by Deano
i dont think storys liek these were te product of an over active imagination

Then do you still believe that the earth is flat? Do you still believe that crocodiles can talk to people? Do you still believe that the earth is a giant turtle? These were all ancient beliefs held by multiple cultures, that must make them true.


look at this and be astonished
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm

Deano
you failed to mention the hieroglyphics, but ok

PVS
who gives a shit? its a lie, icke is a lunatic and a fraud, and you believe anything you read and hear, so long as its not mainstream media. does that make you better? a person who blindly trusts the word of the media is a sucker. a person who blindly trusts the word of some panic rousing profiteer crackpot fraud is an uber-sucker who will probably end up joining a cult when all is said and done.

Deano
enjoy your death.

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
you failed to mention the hieroglyphics, but ok

Glad to see you dropped your beliefs so quickly.
As for hieroglyphics, they are pictorial symbols that are used to represent meaning or sounds or a combination of meaning and sound.

What is your point?

Deano
point is there is an alien on the hieroglyphic

PVS
HELLO!!!!!!! *knocks on deano's cranium*
ANYBODY HOME!?!?!?!?

*screams in deano's ear* HELLO!!!!! hello hello hello (echo)

the point KD was making is the hieroglyphs are not artistic interpretations of what they saw and experienced. they were a form of TEXT, you know...LANGUAGE. do we invent a new letter for every new experience and discovery? or do we make a word for it, based on the same letters we already had.

maybe there is reference to UFOs and aliens, who knows. the POINT is that they would have been spelled out with existing symbols. you should at least take some time to research such elementary facts before regurgitating icke.
how lazy can you possibly be?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
point is there is an alien on the hieroglyphic

Aside from PVS' post (which to no one's suprise I agree with), please post the alien hieroglyphic and the reference as to the fact that it does indeed represent an alien.

Please do not use a conspiracey site as a source, there are many sites and sources as to hieroglyphics.

Deano
Originally posted by PVS
HELLO!!!!!!! *knocks on deano's cranium*
ANYBODY HOME!?!?!?!?

*screams in deano's ear* HELLO!!!!! hello hello hello (echo)

the point KD was making is the hieroglyphs are not artistic interpretations of what they saw and experienced. they were a form of TEXT, you know...LANGUAGE. do we invent a new letter for every new experience and discovery? or do we make a word for it, based on the same letters we already had.

maybe there is reference to UFOs and aliens, who knows. the POINT is that they would have been spelled out with existing symbols. you should at least take some time to research such elementary facts before regurgitating icke.
how lazy can you possibly be?

well done, bye nerd

oh icke has nothin to do with that website. i think perhaps the alien was recreated by artists back then. but then again maybe it was just a coincidence that the drawing on the hiero is similar to how we would portray an alien

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
well done, bye nerd

oh icke has nothin to do with that website. i think perhaps the alien was recreated by artists back then. but then again maybe it was just a coincidence that the drawing on the hiero is similar to how we would portray an alien

so basically you are agreeing that your entire first post was all speculation and bullsh*t?

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Aside from PVS' post (which to no one's suprise I agree with), please post the alien hieroglyphic and the reference as to the fact that it does indeed represent an alien.

Please do not use a conspiracey site as a source, there are many sites and sources as to hieroglyphics.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm

its up to you what u make of it

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm

its up to you what u make of it

Deano, you've got to be kidding me. Give a site that isn't complete bullshit and stupidity.

An actual site that is from reputable archeoligists who don't have an agenda.

It's not enough just to ask questions and post them on the net, at some point you have to seek the answers.

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Deano, you've got to be kidding me. Give a site that isn't complete bullshit and stupidity.

An actual site that is from reputable archeoligists who don't have an agenda.

It's not enough just to ask questions and post them on the net, at some point you have to seek the answers.

why is it bullshit?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
why is it bullshit?

I asked for a reputable source. You gave the address to a website that specialises in UFO conspiracies.

Of all the sources in the world that deal with Egyptian hieroglyphics you had to post a site that deals with UFO conspiracies.

Not to mention their examples were a joke. It was obvious that the carving of the supposed space craft was a falcon among the other lame bits of evidence on that page.

Posting sources like this is why many people disregard everything you post on this forum.

Mr _Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Deano
why is it bullshit?

Stop it Deano rolling on floor laughing please smile

Deano
you dont have to come in this thread

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Deano, you've got to be kidding me. Give a site that isn't complete bullshit and stupidity.

An actual site that is from reputable archeoligists who don't have an agenda.

It's not enough just to ask questions and post them on the net, at some point you have to seek the answers.

i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

Evil Genius
Originally posted by Deano
i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

David Icke is a loon

Deano
ok, dunno what thats gotta do with the qoute in your post but ok

mr.smiley
2guns alien2

Mr _Whirlysplat
Originally posted by mr.smiley
2guns alien2

smile

Deano
Life lives, life dies. Life laughs, life cries. Life looks different through everyone's eyes.

KidRock
The problem with Icke debates are that people who support Icke are mindless morons.

Mr _Whirlysplat
Originally posted by Deano
Life lives, life dies. Life laughs, life cries. Life looks different through everyone's eyes.

It makes my day when you escape your cage in the insanity confused I mean conspiracy thread mate yes smile

Deano
Originally posted by KidRock
The problem with bush debates are that people who support bush are mindless morons.

agreed

Deano
Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
It makes my day when you escape your cage in the insanity confused I mean conspiracy thread mate yes smile

you say it 50 times, i ask you who is gonan put me in that so called cage?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

O.K. here goes:

First pic: Shows a painting in a tomb.

Site claims that there is an image of a grey in the painting.

Reality is that it is a worn out part of the painting of a woman's figure. The website is too uniformed to realize that all Egyptian figures painted at this time were painted in profile and if this were to be a painting of an alien it would have been a profile and not a face forward image.

Second Pic: Shows glyphs of hard to recognize images

Site claims "As you can see, images of a helicopter, submarine, plane and hovercraft are depicted! "

Truth is that there were many abstract shapes and designs painted in the pyramids. Not only that , but being as the photo is a close up we have no idea what the full image is.

Third pic shows a carving of a falcon

Site claims,"Some readers believe that this could be a bird, but birds do not have tails that fan sideways."

Reality is that it is a falcon, and as discussed, egyptian art is not known for it's accurate portrayal of perspective.


Forth pic shows a pic of Nefertiti in the stars, I refuse to comment on this because of the base stupidity of theclaim.

Fifth pic shows a plate.
Site claims, " It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic). There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Grey."

Reality is that it's a picture of athe sun and a poorly drawn human figure.

Sixth set of pics shows a mummified baby that is claimed to be an alien. Once again I won't comment on this as it is obvious that it is a mummified baby.

Last pic shows phote of a tomb frieze

Site claims,"Notice the rocket and figures standing by it!"

Reality is that it is either a monolith (which was a VERY common item that was constructed back then) or a phallic symbol, which again was very common.

I looked at the pics, and saw nothing. By having studied history and art history I came to simple conclusions that you can feel free to research the validity of. Have you done any research from a site that has nothing to do with UFO's or conspiracies?


Deano, stop being a sheep. Look for answers as opposed to having Icke and his conspiracy minded lemmings force feed you your opinions.

Deano
good, as long as your realise your words are just opinion, not fact

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
good, as long as your realise your words are just opinion, not fact

Actually the points I made are based on fact. Consult any archelogy site or book to check them out.

I notice you have yet to provide any research of your own (that is not agenda related) AGAIN!!!!

Alpha Centauri
Deano does this thing of asking you for factual evidence when he has none himself. I cornered him on this recently and he shot in the other direction like Road Runner.

The problem with Icke debates is that they exist. They shouldn't. The man is an idiot. Case closed.

-AC

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually the points I made are based on fact. Consult any archelogy site or book to check them out.

I notice you have yet to provide any research of your own (that is not agenda related) AGAIN!!!!

its not concrete

Deano
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Deano does this thing of asking you for factual evidence when he has none himself. I cornered him on this recently and he shot in the other direction like Road Runner.

The problem with Icke debates is that they exist. They shouldn't. The man is an idiot. Case closed.

-AC

says the man who believes in infinite conciousness

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Deano
says the man who believes in infinite conciousness

David Icke is an idiot. Singular conciousness is something seriously able to be discussed. Lizard men are not. Eg: If you sat down and someone tried to tell you of a singular consciousness theory, it wouldn't sound half as dumb as Icke sitting down and saying "I got this theory, reptilian..." "Bahahahahaha! Shut up and go back to playing for Coventry you mug."

You just believe whatever sounds good to you. Either way, you are always here pushing out your theories, telling people they are sheep, when you never ever provide any evidence. At all. You post links that some random on the internet has cooked up.

Last time I confronted you with this you chickened out and backed down. So unless you have some evidence, I suggest you stop. Don't ask ME for evidence because I'm not trying to prove anything, you are. We've been over this, you lost.

-AC

Deano
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
David Icke is an idiot. Singular conciousness is something seriously able to be discussed. Lizard men are not. Eg: If you sat down and someone tried to tell you of a singular consciousness theory, it wouldn't sound half as dumb as Icke sitting down and saying "I got this theory, reptilian..." "Bahahahahaha! Shut up and go back to playing for Coventry you mug."

You just believe whatever sounds good to you. Either way, you are always here pushing out your theories, telling people they are sheep, when you never ever provide any evidence. At all. You post links that some random on the internet has cooked up.

Last time I confronted you with this you chickened out and backed down. So unless you have some evidence, I suggest you stop. Don't ask ME for evidence because I'm not trying to prove anything, you are. We've been over this, you lost.

-AC

i havnt lost, you believe i have lost. big difference.

singular consciusness is just as dumb an idea as reptillians from another dimension. i dont believe whatever sounds good to me, i belive it because it sounds right to me. the same way you have your beliefs.
do you believe in ghosts or dimensions mr AC?

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Deano
i havnt lost, you believe i have lost. big difference.

singular consciusness is just as dumb an idea as reptillians from another dimension. i dont believe whatever sounds good to me, i belive it because it sounds right to me. the same way you have your beliefs.
do you believe in ghosts or dimensions mr AC?

You backed down continually without providing the evidence I requested and the evidence that in your case, is needed. Why? Because you're making the claims. So yes, lost. Lost in space. Daaaa, da da da da daa daaaaa (the theme).

I'm neither confirming nor denying the existance of ghosts. I have no proof for or against. It's not something I could prove to you either way.

Singular consciousness is no way, absolutely no way, near as dumb as reptilian men from another dimension here to rule the earth, is it? Singular consciousness is, in a nutshell, another vein of reincarnation I would say. Reincarnation isn't a dumb belief. Reptilian men is. It just is.

You believe whatever sounds right to you? Hurricane Katrina being orchestrated sounded right to you though.

-AC

WindDancer
Deano, unlike the others, I will not attack your ideas and opinions. And I don't accept everything David Icke proclaims. However, could you explain to me the so-called allegations (sp?) regarding his anti-Semitism theories?

Deano
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You backed down continually without providing the evidence I requested and the evidence that in your case, is needed. Why? Because you're making the claims. So yes, lost. Lost in space. Daaaa, da da da da daa daaaaa (the theme).

I'm neither confirming nor denying the existance of ghosts. I have no proof for or against. It's not something I could prove to you either way.

Singular consciousness is no way, absolutely no way, near as dumb as reptilian men from another dimension here to rule the earth, is it? Singular consciousness is, in a nutshell, another vein of reincarnation I would say. Reincarnation isn't a dumb belief. Reptilian men is. It just is.

You believe whatever sounds right to you? Hurricane Katrina being orchestrated sounded right to you though.

-AC

i never said i believed that katrina was orchestrated, i said that there are powerful man made electronic devices that can cause extreme weather.
do you belive that there could be other dimensions? dimensions that are not seen in our concious state? that are acting on another frequency that we cant tune into? is it possible that other beings live there?
you will dismiss that idea but wont dismiss the idea ghosts. how insane to believe that when u die your spirit flys away and floats on the earth, what idiot would believe that?!
do you get my drift? i believe anything is possible.

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Deano
i never said i believed that katrina was orchestrated, i said that there are powerful man made electronic devices that can cause extreme weather.

Really? Have you seen one?

Originally posted by Deano
do you belive that there could be other dimensions? dimensions that are not seen in our concious state? that are acting on another frequency that we cant tune into? is it possible that other beings live there?

There are other levels of consciousness not reachable to us, yes. I wouldn't go so far as to call them "dimensions" no. Not other worlds and parallel universes.

Originally posted by Deano
you will dismiss that idea but wont dismiss the idea ghosts. how insane to believe that when u die your spirit flys away and floats on the earth, what idiot would believe that?!
do you get my drift? i believe anything is possible.

Exactly, you believe anything is possible when anything quite factually isn't possible. This is the problem. You believe everything, which is exactly what you have a go at people for.

You have a right to believe in reptilian men, so does Icke. Doesn't erase the fact that it is an absolutely moronic idea, regardless of what anyone else believes.

What's your rationale there? "If you believe something unable to be proven, my ridiculous belief isn't ridiculous", or what?

Originally posted by Deano
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

The catholic church is full of people who feel no proof is necessary.

If I don't believe, it's not because I'm denying all proof. If something can be factually or realistically proven to me, I'll consider it. If it can't, like lizard men and nearly everything you post, I won't believe it.

-AC

Deano

PVS
so icke has to resort to jew hating misquotes and outright forgeries?
so so sad. what a depraved psycho. nothing a bullet cant cure though.

here:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html

these quotes were most likely taken from a popular forgery of the talmud published in the early 1900's. basically the same as if i rewrote the bible, added some shit i made up, and published it.
http://www.isfsp.org/forgery.html

please deano, stop blindly trusting the psycopath.
you are allowing yourself to be brainwashed, which
begs the question, how soon will it be till the next comet
arrives and you're slicing your balls off preparing to board
the mothership, because icke told you to do it?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
its not concrete

Do you believe that your theories are even close to concrete?

I gave you thorough examples to debunk your website's claims. The examples I gave were clear and taken from both my studies of art history, history, and research that I have done on ancient. egyptian culture.

All you did was post a bogus website page.

you posted this message
Originally posted by Deano

i will try and find a website that is to your liking, but still you can see the pics for yourself on that site i gave you. it doesnt matter whats being said, all you gotta do is look at the pics

I looked at the pics and gave clear arguments to support my (and most of the rational world's) views and opinions.

Deano, you said you were going to look into sites other than your usual fair to prove your Egyptian/alien theories. I am willing to bet that you didn't . Perhaps out of fear that you would find out that your beliefs are fictitious, perhaps because you are lazy, perhaps because you are a coward. I don't know.

But if you are going to post the nonsense that you do, and you wish to be taken at all seriously, then I suggest that when someone offers you a rational and valid argument to your points that you take the time to give an intelligent, well thought out response.

Until you come even close to doing that you will not receive very much respect and will be continued to be looked at as this forums intellectual equivalent of spongebob squarepants.

Deano
i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
i dont believe he is rascist from what ive read of his books.

So do you just pic and choose what to believe from your leader?

Originally posted by Deano
when icke talks about lizards, people think he means jewsno expression

No when he talks about lizards people thinks that he's a complete idiot, When he talks about jews people think he's rascist.

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Do you believe that your theories are even close to concrete?

I gave you thorough examples to debunk your website's claims. The examples I gave were clear and taken from both my studies of art history, history, and research that I have done on ancient. egyptian culture.

All you did was post a bogus website page.

you posted this message


I looked at the pics and gave clear arguments to support my (and most of the rational world's) views and opinions.

Deano, you said you were going to look into sites other than your usual fair to prove your Egyptian/alien theories. I am willing to bet that you didn't . Perhaps out of fear that you would find out that your beliefs are fictitious, perhaps because you are lazy, perhaps because you are a coward. I don't know.

But if you are going to post the nonsense that you do, and you wish to be taken at all seriously, then I suggest that when someone offers you a rational and valid argument to your points that you take the time to give an intelligent, well thought out response.

Until you come even close to doing that you will not receive very much respect and will be continued to be looked at as this forums intellectual equivalent of spongebob squarepants.

coward? lol how can i and anyone provide proof to whether or not aliens are visiting or have visited the earth. no one can 100% prove anything, not archiologists, not no one
i have searched many sites so dont say im lazy please

PVS
Originally posted by Deano
i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

but thats the thing deano. misinformation is like a plague.
its started with a forgery, that people believed without question
simply on the grounds that "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then icke quotes it as scripture because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then you read it, accept it, and post it here as truth because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

then yet more people read your post and believe it because "well, it says it right here. why would anyone publish a lie?".

icke may be stupid for quoting that, but in this scenario he is but the middleman

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
coward? lol how can i and anyone provide proof to whether or not aliens are visiting or have visited the earth.no one can 100% prove anything, not archiologists, not no one

Methinks that you are copping out of a debatte that you started because you know that you have nothing.


Originally posted by Deano
i have searched many sites so dont say im lazy please

Then please use this wealth of information that you have digested to support your claims or dispute mine. You posted this site:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm
with the tagline," look at this and be astonished".

Not only was I not astonished, I had valid points to dispute each of that site's silly claims.

You also made the following comments:
Originally posted by Deano
Look back to the Egyptian scrolls and tablets. They speak of gods coming from the sky in contraptions never before seen.

Yet have no proof of this comment other than from UFO websites.

You then stated:

Originally posted by Deano
Pyramids are another great mystery. How could different cultures halfway around the world from each other create such similar designs at around the same exact time. i dont think storys liek these were te product of an over active imagination

I mentioned that the pyramids are not really a mystery at all and gave reasons why.

You see, what the vicious cycle is is that you make preposterus claims based on heresay and the ramblings of lunatics. And when challenged, instead of debating or standing by your position you either run, change the subject or avoid answering.

What's even funnier is this comment:
Originally posted by Deano
i didnt know that. stupid for icke for posting that when he probably didnt research to see if it was true or false

Admitting that your great Icke speaks about things of which he has not a fricken' clue. That's pretty ironic since you place such a value in his beliefs.

Capt_Fantastic
What's the problem with the Icke debates?

That we're having one...I think that's the problem.

KharmaDog
Hey deano, still waiting on that info you were going to research and post about egyptians and extra terrestrials from a site that was a reputable archeology or historical site.

PVS
here, i'll save him the trouble

http://rense.com

Deano
why do you always want a archeology site which woudnt want to believe this stuff anyway which means they would never writeabout it

Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

PVS
laughing out loud

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Deano
Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

Never, ever seen a more hypocritical post in all my time here.

-AC

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
why do you always want a archeology site which woudnt want to believe this stuff anyway which means they would never writeabout it

Rumors are rampant on the Internet that the archaeology is suppressing the true human past. We take a look at the origins of a modern myth.
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id8.html

http://www.freewebs.com/ufoconspiracyfilter/pastcurrentcases.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/6909/Aliens/egypt.html
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3696.asp

read a book about it is all i can say, you dont always have to have the proof right at your feet. no one can prove anything. everything is opinion, especially when it comes to ancient times. yuo have to believe that ffeels right to you

more to come..

More sites that are totally a joke. The pyramids are not a mystery. Read some books yourself that have nothing to do with little green men and you would realize this.

Why do I want a site from a respected archaeologist to prove your theories? Because I don't believe your theories and the only resources you list are conspiracy sites. You only believe information from one source.

You also stated:

You can read the above posts where I used valid, respected and varied sources to answer all the lame points that your website questioned.

You have yet to put forth any evidence of any kind that is not tainted with misinformation, total speculation, or complete lunacy.

You said you would try and find a website. You either haven't tried because you know you will not find one, or you are full of crap. I am giving you the opportunity to get some respect here, be smart and take it.

PVS
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Never, ever seen a more hypocritical post in all my time here.

-AC

well apparently you havent been following deano's posts.
its ALL hypocricy.

deano mentallity simply put:

-accuse everyone of being sheep who believe everything they read and hear from mainstram media.

-believe everything you read and hear, just make sure its not from the mainstream media and you're fine.

and the blind regurgitation of icke's antisemetic misquotes of jewish scripture is proof positive of the danger of such a mentallity

idowhatiamtold
People do not beg in debates, please yourself!

Deano
believe in what you like. im not forcing you. belief is what feels right to you, not what other people say.

Alpha Centauri
That's a complete 180 of "You're sheep. Open your eyes."

-AC

Deano
um sick in head u am! ya sheep!

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
believe in what you like. im not forcing you. belief is what feels right to you, not what other people say.

Wow, what a convenient way to back out of a debate that you started. Way to back out of having to stand by what you suppose to be true. If you are going to criticis people for what they believe, and if you are going to broadcast your beliefs as though the world should be grateful to hear it, then you should have the balls to back what you say up and not avoid supporting your comments that you post here.

People often label you a joke because of thestuff you post, now you are proving it.

GCG
Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.K. here goes:

First pic: Shows a painting in a tomb.

Site claims that there is an image of a grey in the painting.

Reality is that it is a worn out part of the painting of a woman's figure. The website is too uniformed to realize that all Egyptian figures painted at this time were painted in profile and if this were to be a painting of an alien it would have been a profile and not a face forward image.

Second Pic: Shows glyphs of hard to recognize images

Site claims "As you can see, images of a helicopter, submarine, plane and hovercraft are depicted! "

Truth is that there were many abstract shapes and designs painted in the pyramids. Not only that , but being as the photo is a close up we have no idea what the full image is.

Third pic shows a carving of a falcon

Site claims,"Some readers believe that this could be a bird, but birds do not have tails that fan sideways."

Reality is that it is a falcon, and as discussed, egyptian art is not known for it's accurate portrayal of perspective.


Forth pic shows a pic of Nefertiti in the stars, I refuse to comment on this because of the base stupidity of theclaim.

Fifth pic shows a plate.
Site claims, " It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic). There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Grey."

Reality is that it's a picture of athe sun and a poorly drawn human figure.

Sixth set of pics shows a mummified baby that is claimed to be an alien. Once again I won't comment on this as it is obvious that it is a mummified baby.

Last pic shows phote of a tomb frieze

Site claims,"Notice the rocket and figures standing by it!"

Reality is that it is either a monolith (which was a VERY common item that was constructed back then) or a phallic symbol, which again was very common.

I looked at the pics, and saw nothing. By having studied history and art history I came to simple conclusions that you can feel free to research the validity of. Have you done any research from a site that has nothing to do with UFO's or conspiracies?


Deano, stop being a sheep. Look for answers as opposed to having Icke and his conspiracy minded lemmings force feed you your opinions.

Egyptians took cocaine way back then. Maybe they designed with their imagination.

GCG
Originally posted by GCG
Egyptians took cocaine way back then. Maybe they designed with their imagination.

Oh wait a minute. Further research dismisses that. In Victorian times, cocaine was a novelty from America. The mummies were contaminated.

Sorry about that. embarrasment

Deano
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Wow, what a convenient way to back out of a debate that you started. Way to back out of having to stand by what you suppose to be true. If you are going to criticis people for what they believe, and if you are going to broadcast your beliefs as though the world should be grateful to hear it, then you should have the balls to back what you say up and not avoid supporting your comments that you post here.

People often label you a joke because of thestuff you post, now you are proving it.

its a joke cos i cant provide the evidence you are so desperatly seeking for? we're talking about stuff that happened thousands of years ago. if i believe something i shudnt have to back it up at all. its my beliefs.

PVS
Originally posted by Deano
its a joke cos i cant provide the evidence you are so desperatly seeking for? we're talking about stuff that happened thousands of years ago. if i believe something i shudnt have to back it up at all. its my beliefs.

well if thats the case, and its simply a 'belief', with no evidence other then links to those who share your belief, then it has no place in the GDF and can only fit with the religion forum. erm

Imperial_Samura
I must admit of late this comic occupies me more and more.... it could be true. Probably not, but then who can say it seems to make alot of sense... heheh

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
its a joke cos i cant provide the evidence you are so desperatly seeking for? we're talking about stuff that happened thousands of years ago. if i believe something i shudnt have to back it up at all. its my beliefs.

If you wann believe something, go right ahead.

However, if you are going to go on a public forum and try to convince people that there is such thing as the illuminati, that Icke is a prophet of the new age, that lizard-people-aliens rule the world or that aliens were a direct influence on the culture and history of agent egyptians, then you better damn well back it up.

Deano
how can i back it up?
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

i was not trying to convince you of aliens being an influence on the egyptions, you was forcing me to try and convince you. asking me to provide this and that. the illuminati is a real possibility and i look at the world today and i can understand what people like alex jones, jeff rence, icke and many others are saying, itsnot that hard to beliebe for me. if your looking for absolute concrete evidence then your gonna be gutted

KharmaDog
Deano, you make me laugh, for months you post sites and other 'evidence' to support your deliusions and rants. Now I guess you are just tired.

No you hide behind a mantra of "there is no concrete evidence". Heck I was just looking for something that wasn't written by a conspiracy theorist or a person of that ilke. But you could find nothing. No notes or comments of well respected intelligent people. One would think that would make you question all your beliefs, but instead you avoid the topic altogether or post nonsense.

That's fine, I'll get off your back. But if you post such nonsense again, I , as I am sure as are others, are gonna expect you to back it up.

PVS
and we will also remember this thread for future quoting reference yes

Deano
im sure you will, woudnt mean a thing since you are both talkin through your ass

PVS
well, at least my gastrointestinal pros don't consist of antisemetic misquotes and forgery of hebrew religious texts smile

Deano
i can admit my mistakes, im not afraid, you cant come to terms with whats staring you right in the eyes.

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
i can admit my mistakes, im not afraid, you cant come to terms with whats staring you right in the eyes.

Actually, I don't think that you admitted to any mistakes (please correct me if I am wrong). You just offered up examples of why you couldn't prove information that you base your belief structure on.

Deano
how do you expect me to prove that aliens had influence over humans thousands of years ago? just like people CANNOT prove that they didnt.i dont think you are thinking this through. take some time away from the computer

PVS
he's not asking for PROOF

he's asking (we're asking) for valid sources of study and research.
which does NOT include websites who's sole purpose is to sell conspiracy/supernatural theories.

not proof of aliens, just proof that anyone who isnt profiting from this dimwittery is actually taking notice and looking into it, or even acknowledging it.

and still the well is dry erm

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
how do you expect me to prove that aliens had influence over humans thousands of years ago? just like people CANNOT prove that they didnt.i dont think you are thinking this through. take some time away from the computer

But what I can do is research the study of history, archeology and use a little common sense.

Did the egyptians build the pyramids by quarring stone, transporting it down the nile, and then engineer giant ramps in order to put them into place using ingenuitive means of engineering and absorbadant ammounts of manpower (by the way, there are many excellent books and documentaries detailing this process if you are interested).

Or.....

Did aliens fly down and use space technology to build pyramids?

You see, my point?

Deano
yeh but man today woudnt be able to build the pyramids without advanced technologys
The Great Pyramid is believed to have been built over a 20 year span. The pyramid is so huge and so perfect we wouldn't be able to construct something in this day and age that will compare. Each giant Stone ranges from 1 to 20 tons in weight, and the Great Pyramid consisted of well over 100,000 stones. But the Egyptians had no machinery, engines, or construction equipment

Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.

The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

Another question is How did they move these rocks.. Experts that insist Egyptians built the Pyramid suggest, Trees were cut down and smoothed off, and were used as giant rollers under these 20 ton rocks. If you would roll a 20 ton rock on 5 trees, The tree would be too worn down and awkward to haul another, so these logs would be replaced every Stone. Due to the fact there are over 100,000 stones that make up the pyramid, you would need an excess of a half million trees..

Problem with this theory is the lack of trees in that area. Egypt grows some Date Trees, that's about it. And they certainly wouldn't cut down all their date trees, for dates are one of the main foods in EGYPT!

Now the Great Pyramid was the biggest and tallest of all the Pyramids ever built. Since the Egyptians left us an entire detailed written summary of every event in Egypt imaginable, You would think the building of the greatest Pyramid would be discussed. But it Isn't. The Pyramid was referred to a few times in very early Hieroglyphics. Egyptian writing suggests the Great Pyramid Was Standing Before Egyptians Populated The Land. Ancient hieroglyphics have detailed writings of farming, giving birth, Pharaoh worship, Hunting, Building Structures, etc, BUT the Building Of The Great Pyramid Was Never Mentioned.

If it took 10,000 workers per month over a 20 year span to build the Pyramid like experts suggest, There wouldn't be enough people in a 500 mile radius to make this possible.

Why is it that the great Pyramids of Giza, built in 3,000, are perfect, and still standing as tall as the day they were built? (Aside from the capstone and the polished stones, which were stripped by humans in the building of Cairo) The other Pyramids, which were supposedly built about 500 years later, all have shoddy masonry, and are crumbling down. An example of this is the famous 'bent' pyramid, which started out with the sides being built at one angle, then suddenly shifts in the middle to a shallower angle. This is because the angle at which it was started was much too steep for it to stand when finished. It is because the Egyptian pharaohs saw the great pyramids standing on their land and decided that they wanted pyramids of their own. But they found that it was much harder to do than was expected and ended up building silly looking structures that don't even come close to comparing with the magnitude of elegance emanating from the great pyramids.

Actually ancient Egyptian writing often talk of beings from the sky, the sky opening and bright lights coming down to teach them technology and give them wisdom. Many pictures and symbols resemble ufo's and aliens. POSSIBLY aliens built the Great Pyramid. And these solid long lasting construction techniques were adopted by the Egyptians.

http://www.outerworlds.com/likeness/aliens/aliens.html
maybe you can deconstruct that

PVS
ah yes, the irrefutable proof of investigation by software developers of a 3d chat program laughing out loud roll eyes (sarcastic)

KharmaDog

Deano
Also wouldn't the egyptions leave behind some pictures and scriptures in tombs etc of their great achievement of mankind...

Not 1 ancient egyption tomb, or temple has the story of them moving 5 ton blocks and creating pyramids. Lifting them up etc...surely this great feat of manind would be documented ?

Not to mention this mummified alien thats been found in an other pyramid next to an egyption king, wrapped up in gold and ohter material - with the writings of " star / heaven sent " on the walls

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/aliens/57215

u tryed well to deconstruct them, weakly but u tryed, u must admit things arnt as straighforward as they seem. people are usually satisfied with simple explanations perhaps because the deeper view is often strange and frigtening in its complexity.

PVS
you never even read his post, and you never checked the links.

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
Also wouldn't the egyptions leave behind some pictures and scriptures in tombs etc of their great achievement of mankind...

Not 1 ancient egyption tomb, or temple has the story of them moving 5 ton blocks and creating pyramids. Lifting them up etc...surely this great feat of manind would be documented ?

Not to mention this mummified alien thats been found in an other pyramid next to an egyption king, wrapped up in gold and ohter material - with the writings of " star / heaven sent " on the walls

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/aliens/57215

u tryed well to deconstruct them, weakly but u tryed, u must admit things arnt as straighforward as they seem. people are usually satisfied with simple explanations perhaps because the deeper view is often strange and frigtening in its complexity.

You are sad. Truly. Same rhetoric every time. You don't even read my posts do you?

That mummified alien is a child by the way and the references of him being "heaven sent" is more than likely a reference to the fact "THAT PHAROAHS WERE CONSIDERED GODS!"

I ask for you to investigate actual archeology/egyptology sites and you respond with the weekly world news. That's pathetic.

Deano
i read your posts

why are the other pyramids so shoddy?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
i read your posts

why are the other pyramids so shoddy?

Yes, excellent point! I see the light. Aliens must have built them.


You sad little man. You cling to whatever you can to maintain the belief that little green men have all the answers that you are too afraid to seek for yourself.

Deano
now you feel the need to insult. dont get upset just because i dont believe what you want me to believe. i apologise. im not sad thanx, my life is ok and i m comfortable with it. you seem not to be

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Deano
now you feel the need to insult. dont get upset just because i dont believe what you want me to believe. i apologise. im not sad thanx, my life is ok and i m comfortable with it. you seem not to be

I am not angry that you have certain beliefs. I am just responding to the feeble examples and lame support with which you try to convince others of the validity of your beliefs.

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