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Wolverine vs. Alpha Flight's Guardian

So who do you think wins between Logan and James MacDonald Hudson ?

To my knowledge, Guardian knocked out Canucklehead in one blow...

I believe Guardian has smacked him down once or twice.

But I thought some wolverine fanboys would have issue with that.

Guardian. No doubt.

Wow, wolverine's fans are finally willing to accept a defeat? I'm both suprised and impressed.

Yep, Guardian wins

Wolverine's claw attacks cannot break through Guardian's shield. Plus I posted the scans of Guardian (James) beating Wolverine in the Alpha Flight Respect thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&pagenumber=1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpg

In defense of Wolverine, he wasn't prepared for this fight. Guardian had received some pretty massive upgrades. Wolverine underestimated him. Just read the scan.

Trying to resurrect this matchup? Prep or no prep, Wolvie doesn't win. Not like his claws can get through a force field. Plus Guardian's flight and energy projection - nothing Logan can do here. Let's move on.

Originally posted by scotsmn
In defense of Wolverine, he wasn't prepared for this fight. Guardian had received some pretty massive upgrades. Wolverine underestimated him. Just read the scan.

So?
I fail to see the point ..... wolverine was acting irresponsible, lacking any sort of strategy sizing up the situation, jumping headfirst claws out.......sounds pretty much in -character........i see no problem

Oh......and Guardian.

~wickerman~

true, but wolvie's not terribly known for making use of prep. what would he have done differently? guardian did give him a chance to talk things out. wolvie was the one who (after that initial burst from the ground) really got the fight going.

wolvie couldn't get through his shields AND guardian can fly.

i don't see how wolvie wins this when guardian can just keep his shield up and pummel him. always surprised me that hudson ko'd him like that though. guardian isn't really even all that strong.

just one more illustration in a career's worth of illustrations showing the inconsistency of the little hairball . . .

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yep, Guardian winsGuardian can fly and though his force feild isn't alawys up he can bring it up quickly.

Nothing the man in the yellow spandex can do.

I think people are forgetting Guardian's powers are manipulating electromagnitivity. That would be Wolverine, if Guardian wanted it to be. This was his first time doing this trick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_16.jpg

"His battle suit, as Chris Claremont dubbed it, works almost like an artificial Magneto. It gives him localized control of the electro-magnetic field of the earth. This gives him the ability to fly, and to lift objects by negating gravitational effects. It also gives him the ability to render himself at rest, relative to the turning of the earth, which is how he does that disappearing trick of his, by suddenly taking off westward at a thousand miles an hour. "

Give him an acid bath:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm140pg09.jpg

A full power blast, can even kill being as durable as Sasquatch.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Af44-GuardiankillingSnowbird.jpg

A teleportation trick , plus without doing the teleportation trick he can go mach 1. Plus he is able to lift 3.5 tons without the mangnetic trick
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_03.jpg

He even took down Galactus on his own.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/GuardianGalactus.jpg

Leonidas your horible incorrect, if written correctly Guardian is very very strong. Oh hell just check out the respect thread there are many feats.

To say Wolverine would do nothing different is just plain wrong. He'd probably go for the face. Also, after taking a shot like the one that knocked him out doncha think he'd be less likely to stand in the way next time? I'm not saying Wolverine would win, I'm just saying it's not as one sided as you guys are saying. I'm also pretty sure that an extended fight would lead to a decrease in Guardian's suits ability to withstand blows.

Meh geh. . . *fixes colors*
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5673/06yw.gif

Originally posted by scotsmn
He'd probably go for the face.

Force. Feild.

Originally posted by scotsmn
To say Wolverine would do nothing different is just plain wrong. He'd probably go for the face. Also, after taking a shot like the one that knocked him out doncha think he'd be less likely to stand in the way next time? I'm not saying Wolverine would win, I'm just saying it's not as one sided as you guys are saying. I'm also pretty sure that an extended fight would lead to a decrease in Guardian's suits ability to withstand blows.

Go for the face? He was obviously not trying to kill....just like vindicator wasn't. Unless bloodlusted i doubt wolverine would go for the face just like that. I'm not sure if he was "standing in the way" or simply couldn't avoid the blast. Also, why would an extended fight lead to wolverine hitting vindicator ? (ergo decrease in his suit's field bla bla bla).

Vindicator can fly, shoot blasts strong enough to bring down galactus or kill sasquatch, electromagnetically control metal, ergo wolverine's body as well as other things, etc. etc. To me that IS one-sided

~wickerman~

Originally posted by scotsmn
To say Wolverine would do nothing different is just plain wrong. He'd probably go for the face. Also, after taking a shot like the one that knocked him out doncha think he'd be less likely to stand in the way next time? I'm not saying Wolverine would win, I'm just saying it's not as one sided as you guys are saying. I'm also pretty sure that an extended fight would lead to a decrease in Guardian's suits ability to withstand blows.

He would go for the face and the same thing would happen....nothing. Wolverine's claws would not work. Mac can go Mach 1, there isn't much Wolverine can do to dodge. Also, after a full blast attacking Ravanger it only takes a second for his suit to recharge. Yet his sheild is still up and he is flying. His fight with Wolverine would not be long.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_11.jpg

Guardian is a very strong fighter, out of Wolverine's league. Mac even now has a computer like mind, who can think faster than a normal human.

Alright, if he's that strong I can't argue. About the face though... is there some reference somewhere that says the forcefield his suit produces also covers his face and any other areas where skin is exposed? If that's the case, I can't see him ever getting harmed by a physical being... anyone got any scans to contradict this?

Originally posted by scotsmn
Alright, if he's that strong I can't argue. About the face though... is there some reference somewhere that says the forcefield his suit produces also covers his face and any other areas where skin is exposed? If that's the case, I can't see him ever getting harmed by a physical being... anyone got any scans to contradict this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg

You can kind of see that in the picture.

No you can't

Originally posted by scotsmn
Alright, if he's that strong I can't argue. About the face though... is there some reference somewhere that says the forcefield his suit produces also covers his face and any other areas where skin is exposed? If that's the case, I can't see him ever getting harmed by a physical being... anyone got any scans to contradict this?

It's his whole body that is covered, hell his "helmet" is the thing that actually controls the suit. Also he can get harmed by physical contact, but the shield and suit blocks most of the attack. He even took a barage of boulders and his shiled protected him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-27.jpg

*Next page: "And, as Vindicator's force field pulverizes the Earthen projectiles..."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-29.jpg

Like I said earlier, when Alpha Flight is written correctly and to the abilities they can actually do they are one of the strongest Marvel teams out there.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg

You can kind of see that in the picture.
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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5079/uncannyxmen1091119nm.gif

Originally posted by scotsmn
No you can't

Actually yes you can. Notice that yellow aura around his body?...that's his shield.
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Thanks Creshosk for the color fixes.

He doesn't make any mention of getting hurt by those rocks. Can you find any scans where he does get hurt? How about a bloody nose? I'm asking the opposing side to show evidence to help my case

What I'm looking for is an example of Guardian getting hurt despite his force field. If that can happen, he CAN be damaged by Wolverine.. and his face is probably the weakest link.

FYI, after seeing all those scans I give Wolverine 0/10 out in the open. Guardian has too many powers.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's his whole body that is covered, hell his "helmet" is the thing that actually controls the suit. Also he can get harmed by physical contact, but the shield and suit blocks most of the attack. He even took a barage of boulders and his shiled protected him.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1606/alphaflight01274ft.gif

*Next page: "And, as Vindicator's force field pulverizes the Earthen projectiles..."

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4717/alphaflight01299fh.gif

Like I said earlier, when Alpha Flight is written correctly and to the abilities they can actually do they are one of the strongest Marvel teams out there.

when i said he wasn't that strong, i meant his suit didn't grant him GREAT physical strength. and it didn't. guardian was pretty powerful in that incarnation, but power-wise he still wasn't top tier.

but he still wins.

Alright, his field covers his whole body Does that mean he can't get hurt? No bloody noses?

Originally posted by scotsmn
He doesn't make any mention of getting hurt by those rocks. Can you find any scans where he does get hurt? How about a bloody nose? I'm asking the opposing side to show evidence to help my case

What I'm looking for is an example of Guardian getting hurt despite his force field. If that can happen, he CAN be damaged by Wolverine.. and his face is probably the weakest link.

FYI, after seeing all those scans I give Wolverine 0/10 out in the open. Guardian has too many powers.

I'll try to upload some new scans, but I'm very busy . Except his facr is the strongest link since the helmet is what controls the suit. He almost got killed by Dr.Jiroult, who used a powerful anti-Hulk gun and it would have killed him if it wasn't for Shaman and Angel

Wolverine physically can't hurt him with his abilities, but others can. Such as Wendigo grabed a tree and smacked him with it and sent him flying

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm140pg09av.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm140pg10av.jpg

Inexperienced Heather, who just got the suit and didn't fully know how to use it punks a bunch of samurais and Lady Deathstrike. This just shows how strong the shield is

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-15.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-16.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-17.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-19.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-20.jpg
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Here, maybe you will like this pic Was suppose to be for him anyways.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/wol2174.jpg

Alpha Flight has not been written to their full potential or to what they can actually do.

Originally posted by leonidas
when i said he wasn't that strong, i meant his suit didn't grant him GREAT physical strength. and it didn't. guardian was pretty powerful in that incarnation, but power-wise he still wasn't top tier.

but he still wins.

Actually it does, with it he can lift 3.5 tons...*shrugs*

Physical power-wise no he isn't, with all his abilities he is. The only other incarnation of Guardian is when heather got a new type of battle suit, which was powered by geothermic powers...that what you talking about?

Originally posted by scotsmn
Alright, his field covers his whole body Does that mean he can't get hurt? No bloody noses?

No, Guardian isn't invincible. Someone with sufficient power could hit him hard enough to eventually override the mechanics of the suit.
Logan just isn't one of them.

I have nothing left to say here.. I think I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Wolverine wins this 20/10.

Originally posted by roughrider
No, Guardian isn't invincible. Someone with sufficient power could hit him hard enough to eventually override the mechanics of the suit.
Logan just isn't one of them.

Bingo, it takes quite a deal of power but yes Guardian is far from invincible.

Originally posted by scotsmn
I have nothing left to say here.. I think I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Wolverine wins this 20/10.

You sir are a master-debator

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Bingo, it takes quite a deal of power but yes Guardian is far from invincible.



You sir are a master-debator More like a slurred mass debator.

Ooh wait, I lied. WHAT IF... we were dealing with the version of Wolverine that was controlled by Apocalypse?

Originally posted by scotsmn
Ooh wait, I lied. WHAT IF... we were dealing with the version of Wolverine that was controlled by Apocalypse? Death V?

Yes, Death.

Well, Guardian still has those magnetic powers. I can't see Death Wolvie countering that...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, Guardian still has those magnetic powers. I can't see Death Wolvie countering that... Death Wolvie is the one who bested Hulk, Hard to say what a Wolverine amped by apocalypse could do. as a divergent timeline showed when Wolverine was amped by apocalypse he killed not only apocalypse but Magneto as well as juggernaut.

So it's hard to say. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Death Wolvie is the one who bested Hulk, Hard to say what a Wolverine amped by apocalypse could do. as a divergent timeline showed when Wolverine was amped by apocalypse he killed not only apocalypse but Magneto as well as juggernaut.

So it's hard to say. . .

Damn, do you know what issues that happened in?

Originally posted by scotsmn
Damn, do you know what issues that happened in? It didn't happen in 616. So it's not really useable.

Which is why there is alarge amount of doubt. We don't know exactly how powerful this War Wolverine (Warverine) was made and/or if the Villians in that universe were less powerful.

Originally posted by scotsmn
I have nothing left to say here.. I think I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Wolverine wins this 20/10.

Well, you sure showed us!
Just taking your claws and going home?

wolverine loses