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I did search and found nothing on a 1 on 1 duel between Dooku and Yoda. Dooku and Yoda fight to the death (and don't say Yoda would win because he'll use the force for Yoda never used the force in any of his duels expect to repel attacks)

Tyranus loses.

Would you mind giving a reason to support your statement

Read the AOTC script, it pretty much explains everything.

COUNT DOOKU whirls his lightsaber in a formal salute. YODA
draws his lightsaber. Suddenly, COUNT DOOKU charges across
the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny
figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of
the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that COUNT
DOOKU aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through.
His energy drains. His strokes become feeble, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to
retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and
skill of YODA's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a
humming blur of light. Finally, their blades cross and the
fighting slows.

Now watch the scene in the movies and Yoda clearly moves around at the beginning of the fight. And listen to Yoda after the fight, he is tired and Dooku is not.

Mabye, that has something to do with Yoda having to lift a gigantic pillar up.

No that was when Yoda said 'Fought well you have my old padawan' and then Dooku said 'This is only the beginning' and knocked over the pillar.

Yoda. If Tyranus was stronger than Yoda, why didnt they make him first-in-command and yoda second-in-command?

Indeed; Traya, the original scripts for the movies are all well and good, but on some occasions, they are immensely worthless to the fights. And while that may have been the intention, the movie showed differently, and so the script's validity is negated for that scene, definately.

But, Traya is correct: Count Dooku would lose to a prolonged duel. I'm shocked you even consider otherwise.

a) Count Dooku, during the contest of the Force, initiated attacks such as throwing debris and hurling lightning. Yoda turned all away, and cast them aside. He was not looking to kill Dooku during this duel. As for the Force, it simply proves Yoda is capable of negating all of Dooku's Force assaults.

b) Count Dooku also was fearful during the duel. He was forced on the offensive; Yoda was quicker and even bested Dooku in the saber lock they had. Dooku, for once, didn't ever try to take the offensive during the duel, simply because it was hopeless.

c) Count Dooku fled the hangar, knowing Yoda was too powerful to defeat. And please don't feed me the lines about the 'Death Star plans'. Had that been the case, he wouldn't have messed around with Anakin or Obi-Wan.

Count Dooku will not go down easily, as he is a powerful swordsman and Force user. But he is simply not Yoda's equal in either fashion.

Yoda for reasons Escape stated.

Also, the script indicates that
A) Dooku threw everything he had at Yoda,and Yoda didn't move. At all.
B) Dooku gets exhausted.

Originally posted by DrDoom101
Yoda. If Tyranus was stronger than Yoda, why didnt they make him first-in-command and yoda second-in-command?
For your question I think you mean that for the Jedi Councel. If so Dooku wasn't on the councel for he defied it a lot like Qui-Gon.

And for reason b, I meant 'DEFENSIVE', not offensive. Pardon my error.

Hey guess what? This thread is

done done done done.... done done done done DONE BEFORE!!!

So, ESB, you believe Dooku would win?

I really haven't decided. On one hand you can say Yoda but then again Dooku has more stamina which in the long run would assist him but then again Yoda may be too fast to hit but all you that say Yoda was besting Dooku in every blow, Dooku was doing better then Sidious.

I haven't decided on the outcome myself.

Um... I'll just listen to my better judgment and ignore that. But I strongly suggest you to review both duels, and see how disarmed and blasted Yoda, and who did not.

Dooku has honor and Sidious does not. Dooku clearly stated that they would use their lightsaber skills to prove which one is better and Dooku of course wouldn't use the force to attack Yoda any more.

Originally posted by Ianus
Hey guess what? This thread is

done done done done.... done done done done DONE BEFORE!!!

is that u "being endearing to the regulars who aren't here to be an ass "??
owned owned owned!!!!

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
For your question I think you mean that for the Jedi Councel. If so Dooku wasn't on the councel for he defied it a lot like Qui-Gon.

my bad, i didnt know they defied it. i thought the council didnt want to select them.

Shut up Ogami.

I'm sorry, Esb, but 'honor' counts for nothing. One fights a battle to win, not to win honorably. Dooku didn't use the Force simply because Yoda could defend himself from all of Yoda's assaults. Sidious did the smart thing. Perhaps if Dooku did as well, he could've won or injured Dooku. But again, honor tends to cloud one's judgment and makes them do stupid stuff like that.

Ok Darth.sorry

Originally posted by DrDoom101
my bad, i didnt know they defied it. i thought the council didnt want to select them.

I had heard it was because Dooku believed in the Potentium/Unifying Force which calls upon the Darkside.

Originally posted by Ianus
Hey guess what? This thread is

done done done done.... done done done done DONE BEFORE!!!
I used searched and found
Sidious and Dooku vs. Yoda and Mace and a bunch of others but did not see Yoda vs. Dooku

So, the Dooku vs Sidious thing can remain off here. Bring back the thread or go to to a thread designed for it. But the fact remains that Sidious injured Yoda whereas Dooku did not. And for those saying Dooku is owned, I never wanted to project that notion. Yoda would win after a prolonged duel. But there'd be no quick one.

Sidious injured Yoda because he kept a distance from him and of course Dooku wouldn't do that to prove he's better then Yoda.

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
is that u "being endearing to the regulars who aren't here to be an ass "??
owned owned owned!!!!

I reserve the right to be an ass. I have to endure people like you.

what a pathetic come back!!i thought i would at least get one of ur lame photos STFU

Eh, at work. I don't exactly have the resources to get you a STFU picture.

How about you use your imagin- erm... nevermind. You need a picture or else the point is lost on you.

Ay Carumba! KMC at work?? for God's sake man give it a rest! do u talk KMC with ur work buddy's??bring it in to conversation when chatting up a woman??? i didn't realise i was dealing with this kind of fanatacism!!!

bye! sorry to have caused any offence

Focus people

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
Ay Carumba! KMC at work?? for God's sake man give it a rest! do u talk KMC with ur work buddy's??bring it in to conversation when chatting up a woman??? i didn't realise i was dealing with this kind of fanatacism!!!

bye! sorry to have caused any offence

Eh? I don't even think it's worth my time to correct you. You're pretty well clueless. You're probably the kind of guy who chortles with glee when a cat gets hit by a truck.

Dooku was forced to retreat both in AITC and in DR. Yoda was clearly his superior in Force powers (though not by much) and is even better with a saber (though only by a hair).

From the starwars.com databank:

Yoda and Dooku engaged in battle. First, their powers in the Force were put to test, as Dooku attempted to crush the tiny Jedi Master with hurled debris. Yoda easily deflected such assaults, and even repulsed Dooku's Force lightning attacks. The contest came down to a duel of lightsabers. In a climactic battle, the two master combatants displayed amazing speed and agility. Yoda, empowered by the Force, leaped through the air, twirling and battering at Dooku's defenses. Dooku only managed to escape by using the Force to once again jeopardize Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
I used searched and found
Sidious and Dooku vs. Yoda and Mace and a bunch of others but did not see Yoda vs. Dooku

Eh, it sometimes doesn't work right. I know this for fact. Only reason I know this was done before is because I've been here since the start of the subforum.

In any case, this will not be conclusive, but result in Yoda camps and Dooku camps who will war ceaselessly.

Like me, I still hold that Dooku did fine with Yoda in AOTC and indeed fought better than anyone else in the series. He successfully winded Yoda and proved he can at the very least hang via the Force with him. Based on evidence I see I'd say it could very possibly go either way. TO rule out that Dooku doesn't have a significant chance is to me ridiculous.

However, if I take a single sentence from the script as being verified fact (Despite that it's not reflected in the movie) I'd have to say Yoda wins, which is pretty piss-poor to me.

It doesn't say who was greater. How hard is it to deflect a small piece of debris flying at you when Dooku wasn't putting in force into it after he chuncked it.

get back to work ya slacker!!!!

Everyone said Dooku fled from fear when in fact clone troopers were coming and he had the deathstar plans. And Dooku faced Obi and Ani because he knew it wouldn't take long to beat them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Dooku was forced to retreat both in AITC and in DR. Yoda was clearly his superior in Force powers (though not by much) and is even better with a saber (though only by a hair).

From the starwars.com databank:

Yoda and Dooku engaged in battle. First, their powers in the Force were put to test, as Dooku attempted to crush the tiny Jedi Master with hurled debris. Yoda easily deflected such assaults, and even repulsed Dooku's Force lightning attacks. The contest came down to a duel of lightsabers. In a climactic battle, the two master combatants displayed amazing speed and agility. Yoda, empowered by the Force, leaped through the air, twirling and battering at Dooku's defenses. Dooku only managed to escape by using the Force to once again jeopardize Anakin and Obi-Wan.

This is ridiculous. "Battering at Dooku's defense" is clearly not the case. Watch the fight again. Dooku contends well with Yoda and even gets in quite a few hits of his own, despite the fact that Yoda has lots of room to work with.

I really really don't understand the point where Yoda jumped over him, bounced back, and then landed on the floor again. That was pointless.

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
Ay Carumba! KMC at work?? for God's sake man give it a rest! do u talk KMC with ur work buddy's??bring it in to conversation when chatting up a woman??? i didn't realise i was dealing with this kind of fanatacism!!!

bye! sorry to have caused any offence

Hmm...
An old witch, a dwarf and Ogami Itto stand before the Mirror of Truth. Everybody that tells a lie in front of the mirror gets obliterated immediatly.

Old Witch: "I think I'm the most beautiful woman in the world" *zap* she's gone
Dwarf: "I think I'm the greatest person in the world" *zap* he's gone.
Ogami Itto: "I think" *zap*

Back to the topic: Yoda will most likely win this.

Nice burn.

Yoda's style doesn't focus on defense and Dooku's is based on being able to defend and attack without much effort. If Yoda makes a wrong move -SLASH-

Let me put it to you like this. Count Dooku has just a great of a chance as Sidious does. Yoda would most likely defeat either of them in their respective duels, but it's not guarenteed. Dooku does have an excellent chance; but it would have to be in a saber battle. In a Force battle, he would lose against his master.

Its clear that Yoda will never use the force to attack with, only to repel force attacks.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Hmm...
An old witch, a dwarf and Ogami Itto stand before the Mirror of Truth. Everybody that tells a lie in front of the mirror gets obliterated immediatly.

Old Witch: "I think I'm the most beautiful woman in the world" *zap* she's gone
Dwarf: "I think I'm the greatest person in the world" *zap* he's gone.
Ogami Itto: "I think" *zap*

Back to the topic: Yoda will most likely win this.

Profile quote. Thanks!

Originally posted by Ianus
This is ridiculous. "Battering at Dooku's defense" is clearly not the case. Watch the fight again. Dooku contends well with Yoda and even gets in quite a few hits of his own, despite the fact that Yoda has lots of room to work with.

I really really don't understand the point where Yoda jumped over him, bounced back, and then landed on the floor again. That was pointless.
1) Indeed he was battering at Dooku's defense. Dooku was going mostly defensive and Yoda was trying to break his defense, thus he was battering his defense.
2) Yes, Dooku does contend well but for the most part he is using defense while Yoda is trying to break his defenses.
3) You must remember, too, that in AOTC Yoda wasn't trying to kill but capture Dooku.

1) BS. I've watched the fight many times.

2) Uh, no, he's not. Watch it again. Just because Yoda moves like a top on crack doesn't mean he was doing very good. He actually MISSES a swipe.

3) Proof of this?

1.) Dooku's form is based on defending to allow his opponent to tire himself out
2.) Yoda's form is based on attack
3.) Dooku and Yoda traded basically equal amounts of attacks on one another if you watch closely
4.) Dooku wasn't tired after the fight and Yoda was

Also from the databank:

Finally, Jedi Master Yoda arrived and attempted to stop Dooku. Though Yoda's withering lightsaber attack nearly stopped the evil Jedi, Dooku was able to distract the diminutive master by endangering Obi-Wan and Anakin with a fallen pillar torn free by the Force.

Is this from starwars.com? Just watch the fight again.

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
1.) Dooku's form is based on defending to allow his opponent to tire himself out
2.) Yoda's form is based on attack
3.) Dooku and Yoda traded basically equal amounts of attacks on one another if you watch closely
4.) Dooku wasn't tired after the fight and Yoda was

4) Yoda was also moving around alot more, which explains why he was breating so hard.

Originally posted by Ianus
1) BS. I've watched the fight many times.

2) Uh, no, he's not. Watch it again. Just because Yoda moves like a top on crack doesn't mean he was doing very good. He actually MISSES a swipe.

3) Proof of this?
1) LOL, Janus, watch it again. And again. Cause I've watched it many times too and I saw what happened and the the people who created the databank saw what happened.
2) Oh yes, he misses a swipe. And Dooku missses several swipes. Big deal. What're you trying to say, that Dooku'd win?
3) Janus, Obi-Wan was trying to capture him, why wouldn't Yoda be? Yoda clearly was, why else would his swings have not even been fatal had they hit Dooku? He wasn't trying to kill him in Dark Rendezvous either, so are you saying he was trying to in AOTC but not in DR?

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
Is this from starwars.com? Just watch the fight again.
Hey ESB, who's side are you on, mine or Janus's? Casue in your previous post your first two points were against Janus and your last 2 were against me.

look at dooku when he's fighting obi and ani! he looks confident! now look at him when facing yoda! he's shitting it! his defences are getting the battering of a lifetime!!

borbarad i noticed ur from europe!

hey janus is this what u call "peons" bowing down to their masters!

what a pair of ****!!!

Meh, I don't feel like arguing with you, darthsith. You have preconceived notions of the truth and you rely only on information that helps your case. It's pointless, really.

He doesn't feel like arguing! his boss must have busted him rockin out on KMC

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
look at dooku when he's fighting obi and ani! he looks confident! now look at him when facing yoda! he's shitting it! his defences are getting the battering of a lifetime!!

borbarad i noticed ur from europe!

hey janus is this what u call "peons" bowing down to their masters!

what a pair of ****!!!

Are you dumb? Look again. Dooku's face is serious and Yoda is tiring himself down quickly.

Yoda and Dooku's Force Battle -

You can't even call this a battle. It's simply Dooku using the Force to try and smite his former master, and Yoda defeating the attempts, and then casting them aside. Yoda wasn't looking to fight his former apprentice. If you watch the Sidious and Yoda duel, you'll notice Yoda's intent during the battle. He openly employs the Force 'against' Sidious instead of simply defending his attacks.

Force battle victor: Yoda. And he wasn't even trying to attack Dooku.

Yoda and Dooku's Saber Battle -

Dooku challenged Yoda, who reluctantly drew his blade. Then, out of no where, Yoda screams into action and immediately takes the offensive, forcing Dooku to remain stationary as Yoda flips and 'batters' Dooku's defense. Dooku, like his master, keeps up expertly, and even manages to carry out some own strikes of his own, which unfortunately never land a hit. Dooku is repeatedly either being stationary or forced back repeatedly. It shows Dooku parry a strike from Yoda, but when he does, he leans back and grits his teeth, his eyes wide with that oh so familar emotion of 'fear'. Sidious, too, feared Yoda - but this does not keep from Dooku fighting back. Then, they get in a saber lock. And, oddly, Dooku is forced back as Yoda pushes him backward. They fight some more, and then engage in a final saber lock, and Yoda is panting, and tells Dooku he fought well. Dooku understands that now he must escape and does so by endangering Anakin and Obi-Wan. Yoda relents and saves his apprentices, and Dooku escapes.

Conclusion -

Yoda and Dooku are indeed compareable to Yoda and Sidious. While neither Sith Lord truly 'defeated' Yoda, they weren't stomped by him either. Both fought legitimate stalemates. But there are differences. Dooku's Force assaults were futile against Yoda, who only lashed back when Dooku sent the lightning (which Dooku repelled). In a contest of the Force, even to the greatest Dooku fan, it is obvious that Dooku would not win. In a saber battle, it would be close, but I'd still give it to Yoda. If not for any true superior skill, but moreso to his immensely superior speed and agility, and his small stature.

Dooku CAN win. But the odds are stacked against him and are in favor of Yoda.

If Dooku was throwing giant pods at Yoda it would make a difference and Yoda didn't even attempt to deflect Sidious's lighting the first round.

No. Yoda tried. But he was overpowered by Sidious's lightning. Sorry, Esb, but in Sith-traited Force powers, Dooku is weaker than Sidious. As for the pods, Yoda fought back. Again, Sidious was just quicker. But Yoda nearly nailed him with a pod he caught and threw back. You can't discredit the fight. No matter how you want to look at it.

Yoda actually overpowered Sidious' lightning. Yoda was maybe a foot from the edge though and Sidious was something like 6 feet and had a rail to grab on to.

Originally posted by Escape81
No. Yoda tried. But he was overpowered by Sidious's lightning. Sorry, Esb, but in Sith-traited Force powers, Dooku is weaker than Sidious. As for the pods, Yoda fought back. Again, Sidious was just quicker. But Yoda nearly nailed him with a pod he caught and threw back. You can't discredit the fight. No matter how you want to look at it.
Do you watch ROTS? Yoda threw up his hands to cover his face at the last second and got owned by the blast. Yoda didn't try to deflect it like he did the second time.

ESB, perhaps it is you who should pay attention... Yoda's hands were parallel with his chest when the blast slammed into him. He did indeed try to deflect it; unless you're insinuating he intentionally let himself be nailed.

No. Sidious delt him a blow because Yoda was too slow. Dooku never did. Like it or not ESB, and you'll have to deal with it. Sidious injured Yoda. Dooku did not. Color it up anyway you like. Dooku simply didn't do it.

Make all the excuses you like. I'll be happy to give you my rebuttle.

Here

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
Here

Now. Read my post above, and assuming you are familiar with the anatomy, tell me where Yoda's hand is located. Unless you're gifted with precognition and can legitimately inform me that his hand was aiming to cover his eyes, which I doubt you can.

lmao.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
lmao.

Yeesh. I sounded like a smartass, didn't I?

That look on his face is pure "wtf"

Originally posted by ESB- 1138
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That face is pure surprise.

You don't say?

But...

a) Notice Yoda's right hand going up. While the blast came off as a surprise, he's obviously taken note to it and has attempted to defend himself.

b) Did you 'SEE' the scene in which Palpatine blasted him? I agree that it caught Yoda by surprise, but HOW in the hell did he NOT NOTICE? I happen to know preschoolers who could've moved quicker than that.

Originally posted by Escape81
You don't say?

But...

a) Notice Yoda's right hand going up. While the blast came off as a surprise, he's obviously taken note to it and has attempted to defend himself.

b) Did you 'SEE' the scene in which Palpatine blasted him? I agree that it caught Yoda by surprise, but HOW in the hell did he NOT NOTICE? I happen to know preschoolers who could've moved quicker than that.


I am surpised Sidious didn't block or notice that Yoda was going to virtually "shove" him into a chair. With his foresight, and all.

Well, I for one wasn't aware that one could 'block' a Force-push, seeings how it is a universal attack with no visible field or possible indication of usage. Also, considering how someone as powerful as Yoda fired it off, I'm certain he couldn't have if he wanted. And, as for the foresight remark, it's certainly better developed than Yoda's, Mace's, or Dooku's. But no one, has immensely accurate foresight. Not even Traya.

Originally posted by Escape81
Well, I for one wasn't aware that one could 'block' a Force-push, seeings how it is a universal attack with no visible field or possible indication of usage. Also, considering how someone as powerful as Yoda fired it off, I'm certain he couldn't have if he wanted. And, as for the foresight remark, it's certainly better developed than Yoda's, Mace's, or Dooku's. But no one, has immensely accurate foresight. Not even Traya.


But, you can counter a Force push with another. Or did he not know of that power?

Originally posted by Escape81
Well, I for one wasn't aware that one could 'block' a Force-push, seeings how it is a universal attack with no visible field or possible indication of usage. Also, considering how someone as powerful as Yoda fired it off, I'm certain he couldn't have if he wanted. And, as for the foresight remark, it's certainly better developed than Yoda's, Mace's, or Dooku's. But no one, has immensely accurate foresight. Not even Traya.

Anakin and OBi-wan managed to block eachothers force-push for a time. It's probably something that can only be seen in the force.

Dooku could possibly defeat Yoda, but honestly... I doubt it. It would be a long fight, but I don't see Dooku defeating Yoda.

Meh, dramatic neccessity makes Sidious a tougher opponent for Yoda, but it sure as hell wasn't his subpar saber skills. What's with the underhanded pokes? Sheesh! I bet I could whup Sidious' ass in saber combat.

And the dodgy facial expressions. Sidious looks like he is having an enema.

That would make me DLotS.

It would suck horribly if Yoda was better, because then the OT should be rewritten with Yoda being some sort of stalker trying to kill the sith lords.

he wouldn't just go to some stupid swamp planet if he was the most powerful warrior.

But, Ianus. Do you have the evil cackle?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Anakin and OBi-wan managed to block eachothers force-push for a time. It's probably something that can only be seen in the force.

They 'both' Force pushed eachother. The energy crashed against them, until finally both let go and were flung back.

And Yoda was quicker on the draw. He'd already had his hand up. Sidious couldn't have done it.

At the same time, I'm surprised that Yoda didn't BLOCK the lightning.

He did block it on later into the fight. After his lightsaber was blasted he was prepared, but the first time Sidious blasted lightning yoda was indeed not ready. Take a look at the picture. Also, Yoda could not have expected it since he cant read Sids mind. And lightning does not travel slow.

Originally posted by Escape81
But, Ianus. Do you have the evil cackle?

I actually do. Pity I can't share it.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
He did block it on later into the fight. After his lightsaber was blasted he was prepared, but the first time Sidious blasted lightning yoda was indeed not ready. Take a look at the picture. Also, Yoda could not have expected it since he cant read Sids mind. And lightning does not travel slow.

a) Yoda waltzed into the lair of the Sith Lord. While Yoda may be one of my very favorite characters, it was damn ignorant of him to do what he did. So Sidious zapped, and Yoda got sense knocked back in him.

b) No. Lightning doesn't travel slow. But if you'd kindly note the speed at which Sidious raised his hands, you'd notice that it wasn't an effort on his part. What did Yoda think Sidious was going to do? Give him the finger?

Originally posted by Sorgo
Dooku could possibly defeat Yoda, but honestly... I doubt it. It would be a long fight, but I don't see Dooku defeating Yoda.

Well, if even Sorgo is willing to admit Yoda's win... does anyone actually think the odds are in Dooku's favor?

Borbarad, for once I will thank you, for supporting (perhaps unintentionally, I don't know) what I said about Yoda not wanting to kill Dooku.


lol