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Wolves here in Michigan are being destroyed..Even wolves that are part dog and are kept by citizens....Wolves are not some evil thing, they are part of the food chain...Only the old wolves go in and destroy peoples live stock because of agility loss...They are social and wonderful animals.....They've gotten a bad rap....They need to be reintroduced to keep the deer problem down, which is big here.

Anytime I have read about "reintroduction" of any animals back into an ecosystem it has been a clusterf***......lol rabbits in australia....no no huge problem ok red fox.......no no huge problem......fox in New Zealand brilliantly taking out the landbased parrats there! Nope introduction of animals into an established ecosystem throws it way out of balance!

One of the biggest reason.......humans don't change their habits to this new "inhabitant" and it just SUCKS hard

Oh and the brilliant idea to put grizzlies into Montana just awesome.....lol not.

despite living in Scotland, its not something i've really given much thought to...despite the fact that i go camping quite alot as well

it'd be pretty cool though...and if their numbers increase then we can just blow **** out them with guns like we did the last time

It's only common knowledge that when one species is taken out, others increase...

Originally posted by debbiejo
It's only common knowledge that when one species is taken out, others increase...


or said species that has taken over (in a prey/predator relationship) dies as well.......plus nothing in the wild is as simple as 1+1=2 its dynamics are far greater which is why introduction (especially the lynx) would seriously throw balance out of whack.......who says these new predators will hunt deer? Predators will go after the easiet prey.........more like domestic animals

and its wolverhampton! wolverhampton wanderers! we're by far the greatest team, the world as eva seen!!

Originally posted by soleran30
who says these new predators will hunt deer? Predators will go after the easiet prey.........more like domestic animals

They sure do....Deer that is......Only the old ones that can't do the domestic animals....do a study on wolves.

Originally posted by Deano
and its wolverhampton! wolverhampton wanderers! we're by far the greatest team, the world as eva seen!!

Not those Wolves Dean - Anyway Millwall No one likes us but we don't care - You midland poofs j/k

Originally posted by debbiejo
They sure do....Deer that is......Only the old ones that can't do the domestic animals....do a study on wolves.

an old wolf is still a wolf........not everyone will be so kind as you debbiejo.....one attack creates media histeria So there is that aspect.

More imporantly look up what the mongoose has done to hawaii, to New Zealand. The rabbit in australia, then the red fox in australia and new zealand.

Bring out your riot gear,
Wolves are here! Wolves are here

Fight, fight, wherever you may be,
We are the boys from The Black Country.
We'll meet you all, wherever you may be,
For we are the boys from The Black Country.

Originally posted by Deano
Bring out your riot gear,
Wolves are here! Wolves are here

Fight, fight, wherever you may be,
We are the boys from The Black Country.
We'll meet you all, wherever you may be,
For we are the boys from The Black Country.

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Millwall till I Die!

Originally posted by soleran30
an old wolf is still a wolf........not everyone will be so kind as you debbiejo.....one attack creates media histeria So there is that aspect.

More imporantly look up what the mongoose has done to hawaii, to New Zealand. The rabbit in australia, then the red fox in australia and new zealand. Wolves are good for keeping the food line in check......It's just the way it's meant to be....part of the chain...once taken out, other animals over populate....

There aren't many around anymore.....

Would it make a difference to humans?

Originally posted by soleran30
Anytime I have read about "reintroduction" of any animals back into an ecosystem it has been a clusterf***......lol rabbits in australia....no no huge problem ok red fox.......no no huge problem......fox in New Zealand brilliantly taking out the landbased parrats there! Nope introduction of animals into an established ecosystem throws it way out of balance!

You are talking about introductions here, not reintroductions. PLacing an animal were it never has existed in an element that it did not evolve for or inhabit once before of it's own valition is a bad idea. Reintroduction, in some cases has been both successful and benificial.

Originally posted by soleran30
Oh and the brilliant idea to put grizzlies into Montana just awesome.....lol not.

Why not, please give some reasons.

Originally posted by soleran30
or said species that has taken over (in a prey/predator relationship) dies as well.......plus nothing in the wild is as simple as 1+1=2 its dynamics are far greater which is why introduction (especially the lynx) would seriously throw balance out of whack.......who says these new predators will hunt deer? Predators will go after the easiet prey.........more like domestic animals

More than likely, lynx won't hunt deer, they hunt rabbits and smaller prey. As for the wolves, they actually prefer wild prey and only resort to domestic livestock when their preferred prey has been relocated or decreased in population where they are no longer a viable prey species. Instances of wolves preffering livestock over available deer or moose populations are the exception rather than the rule.

Originally posted by soleran30
More imporantly look up what the mongoose has done to hawaii, to New Zealand. The rabbit in australia, then the red fox in australia and new zealand.

None of these have been reintroductions. These animals were never a part of these ecosystems to begin with.

Yeah, but on the other hand, even the 200 years since they blew out the Wolves means that it is already a very different ecosystem to the one they left, so it can't be seen as just putting back things as they were.

And as for the Lynx... I don;'t know how anyone could even begin to truly predict the input of reintroducing an animal absent for milennia. That is no different from introducing a new species.

"You are talking about introductions here, not reintroductions. PLacing an animal were it never has existed in an element that it did not evolve for or inhabit once before of it's own valition is a bad idea. Reintroduction, in some cases has been both successful and benificial."


Lynx has not been there since prehistoric hence it is new and no one can really say how or what the lynx will really do in that enviroment we can assume many things based on past behaviors in different enviroments.

Wolfs haven't been there for generations! No natural animal in this habitat will understand the threat these new predators present so for all practical purposes wolves are new its been what upwards of 300 years now.......thats a FEW generations of prey

So we can say in a typical habitat these are observed behaviors and this is what they do now with this lynx and wolves will not behave the same because the prey won't. One thing nature has taught man is do not try and second guess her.........

olves are a part of british mythology at some point. I dont see the harm if there numbers are monitered

we need to keep them around so future generations can enjoy them

I'm certainly not an expert, but couldn't they start of with small populations and gently increase it over decades, like a normal migration of a wolf back into the UK would be like (assuming it wasn't an island)

again I'm not an expert.

I definitely think that wolves should be reintroduced into the UK... however, Scotland is the wrong place... I think Surrey, Sussex, Berkshire and slough would benefit most.... especially if we reintroduce just the old, tired ones, that have been bred with a taste for human....

I think it would be great and would certainly liven up boring camping weekends in the Cairngorms when the booze runs out. Now you can sit in a tent and say "Did you hear that?" and be quite sure that there indeed might be something outside the tent that wants to eat you instead of just a rabbit or something.

Yes they should be put back into the enviroment, its there home for god sake.

It wouldnt be fair if we had to get taken away would it??

And if there is Dangers its our own fault for going near them..

Originally posted by DenKi
Yes they should be put back into the enviroment, its there home for god sake.

It wouldnt be fair if we had to get taken away would it??

And if there is Dangers its our own fault for going near them..


It's not "their" home at all. They would be uprooted to move there.

Every urban myth has been out there to create this incredibly scary image of wolves, but the truth is, in all of North America's history, there is not one single fatality on record from a wolf.

Exactly, wolves are even more harmless than dogs because they're scared of man and tend to avoid us.

Originally posted by amity75
Exactly, wolves are even more harmless than dogs because they're scared of man and tend to avoid us.


Its not the threat to man that makes reintroduction of wolves a n idea that needs rethinking..........Its the idea of an ecosystem that has devoloped into its own without wolves so reintroducing them has an unknown affect.......

LOL "what if" wolves leave most of the deer alone and go after rabbits mostly because they are so plentiful and easy prey...........great solution Yeah bring in Lynx because we are taking about deer but lynx main diet consists of snowshoe hare...........however Lynx can take down deer so now what

yup...everything should be balanced...