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long pig
What if all the villains of JLA were magically turned good. And the heroes turned evil.

Could the revamped villains stop them?

Creshosk
If they could, don't you think they would have by now?

Conversely the new "heroes" would then be subject to the hero ability. . which means that they'd win in the comics, just to keep things going.

Hmm . . . interesting. . .

spetznaz
No.
The 'bad' JLA would totally annihilate the planet.
Explanation:

Superman: If he turned bad he would no longer have his moral sense which makes him CONSTANTLY hold back (and it has been stated in Superman comics several times, going back decades actually, that Superman always holds back). The guy would be an unstoppable, extremely callous, beast.

WonderWoman: Think of Superman .....then add PMS induced bad attitude.

Green Lantern: Any of the GLs, if they turned rogue, would be basically psychotic (with an added feature .....the most powerful weapon in the DC universe that is controlled by thought .....in this case the thoughts of a madman). Figure out what such a character could do (hint: no green-light boxing gloves and such silly light constructs. More like huge green scythes chopping peoples' heads off).

Batman: Think Deathstroke ....with a vengeance.

Martian Manhunter: Read JLA: Trial by Fire, and see why Jjon by himself would ALONE be enough to destroy the entire world, and why even the Guardians of Oa feared him. An evil Jjon would turn into The Burning, and that would be enough to rout the world.

Aquaman: He has the Water Hand, which is magical. Now, if it is used for violence it unleashes an ancient evil called The Hunger that has world destroying powers. An evil Aquaman would have no problem using the Water Hand for violence, and thus would welcome the Hunger. Again ...the Hunger is a world-destroying evil.

Zatanna: Hmmmm .....I wonder how much fun she would have trying to say the nastiest things ....backwards.

Even folks like Animal Man, if turned evil, could bring powers about that are insane. For example Animal Man taps into the Red, which normally just lets him have animal powers (like Vixen for example ....thus he can have the speed of a cheetah etc etc etc). However the Red also allows intensely powerful abilities, that have saved the world once. Imagine if turned for evil?

Imagine if FireStorm, with his ability to transmutate matter, went rogue? The things he could do alone are just insane.

And imagine the Flash. .....totally evil and doing foul things for the fun of it.
Actually it would be interesting if the Flash, Superman, WonderWoman, and Martian Manhunter decided to have a race ....with a catch. They would run in a straight line around the globe 10 times, at superspeed, and see how many people they could rush through. Now, having a superdense body like Superman's/WW's/MM's, or a vibrating one like Flash's, going through a person wouldn't be a nice sight, but they MIGHT want to know who could do the most damage.

And that is ignoring all the other JLAers out there.

If the JLA members went rogue, and since they are rogue decided to tap powers and abilities they normally wouldn't utilize (eg Superman not holding back, MM going into the Burning, Aquaman triggering the Hunger, Green Lanter letting his thoughts turn dark, WonderWoman going postal) ......basically it wou;d be virtually impossible to stop them.

After all, if the current evil guys cannot stop the JLA (when the JLA, being good, is holding back; and the bad guys, being evil, are giving it all they've got) then how are the bad guys going to win if they turn good (and obviously have to start acting with dignity and restraint) while the JLA lets go of all decency and goes on murderous rampages around the globe?

JLA rips apart the planet.

jrodslam
Originally posted by spetznaz
No.
The 'bad' JLA would totally annihilate the planet.
Explanation:

Superman: If he turned bad he would no longer have his moral sense which makes him CONSTANTLY hold back (and it has been stated in Superman comics several times, going back decades actually, that Superman always holds back). The guy would be an unstoppable, extremely callous, beast.

WonderWoman: Think of Superman .....then add PMS induced bad attitude.

Green Lantern: Any of the GLs, if they turned rogue, would be basically psychotic (with an added feature .....the most powerful weapon in the DC universe that is controlled by thought .....in this case the thoughts of a madman). Figure out what such a character could do (hint: no green-light boxing gloves and such silly light constructs. More like huge green scythes chopping peoples' heads off).

Batman: Think Deathstroke ....with a vengeance.

Martian Manhunter: Read JLA: Trial by Fire, and see why Jjon by himself would ALONE be enough to destroy the entire world, and why even the Guardians of Oa feared him. An evil Jjon would turn into The Burning, and that would be enough to rout the world.

Aquaman: He has the Water Hand, which is magical. Now, if it is used for violence it unleashes an ancient evil called The Hunger that has world destroying powers. An evil Aquaman would have no problem using the Water Hand for violence, and thus would welcome the Hunger. Again ...the Hunger is a world-destroying evil.

Zatanna: Hmmmm .....I wonder how much fun she would have trying to say the nastiest things ....backwards.

Even folks like Animal Man, if turned evil, could bring powers about that are insane. For example Animal Man taps into the Red, which normally just lets him have animal powers (like Vixen for example ....thus he can have the speed of a cheetah etc etc etc). However the Red also allows intensely powerful abilities, that have saved the world once. Imagine if turned for evil?

Imagine if FireStorm, with his ability to transmutate matter, went rogue? The things he could do alone are just insane.

And imagine the Flash. .....totally evil and doing foul things for the fun of it.
Actually it would be interesting if the Flash, Superman, WonderWoman, and Martian Manhunter decided to have a race ....with a catch. They would run in a straight line around the globe 10 times, at superspeed, and see how many people they could rush through. Now, having a superdense body like Superman's/WW's/MM's, or a vibrating one like Flash's, going through a person wouldn't be a nice sight, but they MIGHT want to know who could do the most damage.

And that is ignoring all the other JLAers out there.

If the JLA members went rogue, and since they are rogue decided to tap powers and abilities they normally wouldn't utilize (eg Superman not holding back, MM going into the Burning, Aquaman triggering the Hunger, Green Lanter letting his thoughts turn dark, WonderWoman going postal) ......basically it wou;d be virtually impossible to stop them.

After all, if the current evil guys cannot stop the JLA (when the JLA, being good, is holding back; and the bad guys, being evil, are giving it all they've got) then how are the bad guys going to win if they turn good (and obviously have to start acting with dignity and restraint) while the JLA lets go of all decency and goes on murderous rampages around the globe?

JLA rips apart the planet.

Id have to disagree a bit here.

Ok, we got Superman. If he went bad, people like Luthor or whomever has kryptonite. Im sure they wouldnt hesitate to put him down if need be.

Wonder Woman can cause alot of damage. Id say moreso that Supes because she doesnt have as many weaknesses. However, the villains would outnumber her drastically. Shed eventually go down.

Green Lantern would be faced against the likes of Sinestro, Manhunters, etc. Only 1 Lantern could probably beat Sin. Not many can beat Manhunters. Especially the new ones. Plus with and angry Gl, it couold cloud their judgement to be creative.

Batman would job the the Joker. Like it was stated before, the heroes turned bad, would be subject to the hero ability. Thats one of Bts strong points. To stay clear headed and be rational. Him being a villain would totaly mess that up and have him make stupid decisions.

Flash wouldnt be muchof a thread. Zoom would constantly whoop his ass. True he doesnt have some of Wallys abilities, but hes much much faster than him. And we all know that the villains never get the plot devise to get the victory over the heroes. Its usually the other way around.

Martain Manuhunter, Zatanna, Aquaman would imo put up the best fights due to their lack of hardcore villains.

Also the villains turned heroes outnumber and outmuscle the heroes turned villains. I think no matter which way it is, the good guys will always prevail. At least in most cases.

AcousticDoc
doomsday will take down supes, martian, ww and all the powerhouses by himself. Might die a few times but he'll eventually win.

jrodslam
Originally posted by AcousticDoc
doomsday will take down supes, martian, ww and all the powerhouses by himself. Might die a few times but he'll eventually win.

Lol. Ya know something. You kinda have a point there. Add Mongul, Grundy, Bizzaro, Black Adam and a few others and they could pull it off.

Lucid Lui
Originally posted by spetznaz
Aquaman: He has the Water Hand, which is magical. Now, if it is used for violence it unleashes an ancient evil called The Hunger that has world destroying powers. An evil Aquaman would have no problem using the Water Hand for violence, and thus would welcome the Hunger. Again ...the Hunger is a world-destroying evil.
Also, with his control over all sea life and water he could flood the earth...

Creshosk
Originally posted by jrodslam
Batman would job the the Joker. Like it was stated before, the heroes turned bad, would be subject to the hero ability. Thats one of Bts strong points. To stay clear headed and be rational. Him being a villain would totaly mess that up and have him make stupid decisions. That's actually a pretty damned good explination of the hero factor.

jrodslam
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's actually a pretty damned good explination of the hero factor.

Thanks. big grin

spetznaz
Originally posted by jrodslam
Id have to disagree a bit here.

Ok, we got Superman. If he went bad, people like Luthor or whomever has kryptonite. Im sure they wouldnt hesitate to put him down if need be.

Wonder Woman can cause alot of damage. Id say moreso that Supes because she doesnt have as many weaknesses. However, the villains would outnumber her drastically. Shed eventually go down.

Green Lantern would be faced against the likes of Sinestro, Manhunters, etc. Only 1 Lantern could probably beat Sin. Not many can beat Manhunters. Especially the new ones. Plus with and angry Gl, it couold cloud their judgement to be creative.

Batman would job the the Joker. Like it was stated before, the heroes turned bad, would be subject to the hero ability. Thats one of Bts strong points. To stay clear headed and be rational. Him being a villain would totaly mess that up and have him make stupid decisions.

Flash wouldnt be muchof a thread. Zoom would constantly whoop his ass. True he doesnt have some of Wallys abilities, but hes much much faster than him. And we all know that the villains never get the plot devise to get the victory over the heroes. Its usually the other way around.

Martain Manuhunter, Zatanna, Aquaman would imo put up the best fights due to their lack of hardcore villains.

Also the villains turned heroes outnumber and outmuscle the heroes turned villains. I think no matter which way it is, the good guys will always prevail. At least in most cases.


1)
On Luther putting down Superman .....well, I have a question.
If Lex has been trying to 'put down' Superman for so long, and has consistently failed, why would he succeed now?
Lex has had kryptonite.
He has had technology and weapons from Apokolips (through some nasty deals he did with Darkseid).
He has had all sorts of battlesuits and what-not, all built to deal with Kryptonian threats (eg synthesized kryptonite weapons, real krytonite lodes, red-ray repulsors).
And when he was in charge of LexCorp he had an entire multinational conglomerate that dealt with bleeding-edge technology and was totally controlled by him.
He has even been the president of the United States of America.

And note that he never hesitated in using all the capabilities under his control, and was extremely ruthless (LEx is the same guy who placed a tactical nuke in Gotham during No Man's Land SIMPLY to destroy the public library and erase all records of land deeds so as to pick up land in Gotham for cheap). The guy has no morals whatsoever.
Also note that Superman has always held back when it comes to Luthor. He could have finished Luthor many many many many times over .....he LITERALLY lets Luthor live every second of every day, and if he needed to he could snuff Lex out faster than the Flash can whistle.

And all along Luthor, even with all his resources, and his 100% utilization of them, has always come up short.

Now, make Luthor 'good.'
And make Superman 'bad.'

What is to stop Superman from immediately taking Lex Luthor out? All along Luthor has lived because Superman has let him live.

2)
On WonderWoman. You are correct that she would cause a lot of damage, and you are correct that by her own she would fall due to the number of villains out there.
However she is not solo.
The thread stated that the JLA goes rogue.
The entire JLA has a bunch of people who are ridiculously powered.
Even Animal Man (as I mentioned) can turn from a silly guy with animal powers into a mini-Phoenix type entity!
WonderWoman would not be alone.
And imagine her killing people like she messed up that guy in the Infinity Crisis.

3)
The Green Lantern would be one of the more dangerous characters actually. And as for an 'angry mind making a GL less creative' I have a simple answer .....Hal Jordan.
The dude went mad and what happened?
He attacked Oa, took all of its energy into himself, and became Parallax.
And what did the crazy angry Hal do? Tried to destroy the universe and remake it in his own image.
Fury channeled through the GL ring may not make those finely detailed 'toys' most GLs construct (eg a huge green pillow to catch falling people), but it can cause even greater destruction that a 'sane' GL can be able to.
Imagine you had a GL ring. And you are 'normal.' Think of all the things you can do with it.
Now imagine you have the same ring, but now you are filled with rage and hate and evil. Think of the destruction you can do with it. You may not make nice little watch movements or extra-small tweezers, but you can definitely knock over buildings and rip apart towns.

4)
Batman being a villain wouldn't make him make bad decisions. However I agree that he wouldn't add much to the game. Basically what would happen is that Batman would become Deathstroke, and Deathstroke would become Batman. Evil Batman honestly wouldn't bring that much to the game.

5)
Now, obviously if a comic series was made where the JLA turns bad, then obviously the good guys (the ex-villains turned good) would win ....because the writers wouldn't want to stop working after only one issue. Thus somehow the ex-villains would win.
However if things were to flow as they should, then the evil JLA would win.
All of them turned rogue, using all of their abilities to their fullest and not caring one bit about the effects they may cause, and working as one, would be a very powerful team.
Think of Superman ......if he started flying in Earth's atmosphere at his top speed ....and at an altitude of say 1,000 feet above the ground .....would definitely destroy virtually all of earth's human population and most of its meta population (a high density high speed body flying at speeds that are near Superman's peak speed, in a fluid medium like air, and at low altitude, would cause effects that would be far worse than the vacuum effects caused by thermobaric weapons ...basically ripping everything apart).
Imagine Superman doing many rounds around the earth.

jrodslam
Originally posted by spetznaz
1)
On Luther putting down Superman .....well, I have a question.
If Lex has been trying to 'put down' Superman for so long, and has consistently failed, why would he succeed now?
Lex has had kryptonite.
He has had technology and weapons from Apokolips (through some nasty deals he did with Darkseid).
He has had all sorts of battlesuits and what-not, all built to deal with Kryptonian threats (eg synthesized kryptonite weapons, real krytonite lodes, red-ray repulsors).
And when he was in charge of LexCorp he had an entire multinational conglomerate that dealt with bleeding-edge technology and was totally controlled by him.
He has even been the president of the United States of America.

And note that he never hesitated in using all the capabilities under his control, and was extremely ruthless (LEx is the same guy who placed a tactical nuke in Gotham during No Man's Land SIMPLY to destroy the public library and erase all records of land deeds so as to pick up land in Gotham for cheap). The guy has no morals whatsoever.
Also note that Superman has always held back when it comes to Luthor. He could have finished Luthor many many many many times over .....he LITERALLY lets Luthor live every second of every day, and if he needed to he could snuff Lex out faster than the Flash can whistle.

And all along Luthor, even with all his resources, and his 100% utilization of them, has always come up short.

Now, make Luthor 'good.'
And make Superman 'bad.'

What is to stop Superman from immediately taking Lex Luthor out? All along Luthor has lived because Superman has let him live.

3 Words. Good guy aura.

Originally posted by spetznaz
The Green Lantern would be one of the more dangerous characters actually. And as for an 'angry mind making a GL less creative' I have a simple answer .....Hal Jordan.
The dude went mad and what happened?
He attacked Oa, took all of its energy into himself, and became Parallax.
And what did the crazy angry Hal do? Tried to destroy the universe and remake it in his own image.
Fury channeled through the GL ring may not make those finely detailed 'toys' most GLs construct (eg a huge green pillow to catch falling people), but it can cause even greater destruction that a 'sane' GL can be able to.
Imagine you had a GL ring. And you are 'normal.' Think of all the things you can do with it.
Now imagine you have the same ring, but now you are filled with rage and hate and evil. Think of the destruction you can do with it. You may not make nice little watch movements or extra-small tweezers, but you can definitely knock over buildings and rip apart towns.

Note you mentioned Hal Jordam going bad and becoming Parallax. He went through 9 GL members. then absorbed the MPB into himself. However, while doing that, he didnt go against 4 of the other top GL's. The ones he defeated were nothing compared the the other 4. One actually tried to use a gun on him. No GL can beat Sinestro except Hal. Shark, Hector, StarSaphire may be too much for the others. Possibly. But id personally lean more towards Sin and the others.

However id be inclined to think the villains turned heroes would win the majority.

Piedmon
EVIL DETECTIVE CHIMP.

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