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Why does everyone hate George W. Bush soo much?!?!?! What has he done wrong?!

He still hasn't finish helping most of the katrina victims, he could do more than what he's done so far.... he's put our country in such economic debt it's going to take years to recover, he's sent troops to kill innocent lives and he has a speaking problem...

Originally posted by BartmanX
Why does everyone hate George W. Bush soo much?!?!?! What has he done wrong?!

I know Well said BartmanX.What has he done.You People if you could stop whining about the war maybe you could see that bush is actually doing some good for america

Originally posted by Susan-Storm
I know Well said BartmanX.What has he done.You People if you could stop whining about the war maybe you could see that bush is actually doing some good for america

You have to be kidding me....Like what is he doing good?

Oh Why do i even Bother..I hate Politics

... ummm ok....i'm not a liberal by the way i just dislike bush...kerry is a dumbass as well....i don't like either and rather not vote than choose either..bush is just ...DUMB...

Originally posted by AdventChild
... kerry is a dumbass

Yes..Yes he Is

I don't hate Bush......... wawawawa......(bad joke for the internet) Politics all a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. I am sure that most presidents in their time of office has had some contribution to the United States some good some bad and others remembered just because the media loves to muckrake and sling!

Originally posted by BartmanX
Why does everyone hate George W. Bush soo much?!?!?! What has he done wrong?!
Alert, alert!

Yes, Captain, we have a definite troll on the loose.

Call which specialists? Oh, those specialists. Bighorn, Littlehorn, and Joe.

I think i know why hes so dumb

Enough with the Bush threads already.

why i hate bush:

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.) Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6.) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sound familiar?

Originally posted by AdventChild
Location: Canada Toronto straight up!

Originally posted by AdventChild
he's put our country in such economic debt it's going to take years to recover

How has he done this to Canada?

Originally posted by BartmanX
Why does everyone hate George W. Bush soo much?!?!?! What has he done wrong?!

What has he done right, might be a shorter list.

this has to be the worst poll i've ever seen (barring the OTF of coarse).

He couldn't help Katrina survivors get food or water, yet in the middle of the Vietnam War, we managed to drop off huge amounts of food to soldiers in friiggin riice patties across the globe.

Originally posted by botankus
How has he done this to Canada?

im from america.....thank you.. i mean i've only lived in america 15 years out of my 16 years of exsistence.....

My apologies for not noticing the obvious.

Originally posted by botankus
My apologies for not noticing the obvious.
lol...i apologize as well for not clearifing that i'm a u.s citizen in toronto..

George Dubbaya is an ignorant Figure head Puppet.

Dick is the real person who is running the country, I mean, ffs, do you really beleive that somebody who can't even say "Fool me ounce, shame on me, Fool me twice, shame on you" Properly is Capable of starting a war? INTENTIONALLY!?

geoege bush is da best!

Hmm, interesting thread. As a Republican (fiscally/economically) and a Democrat (socially) speaking, I'd have to consider his term a mild success. His first 4 years were definitely better than the current ones, that's for sure, regardless of which party you're for.

Originally posted by Susan-Storm
I know Well said BartmanX.What has he done.You People if you could stop whining about the war maybe you could see that bush is actually doing some good for america
congrats you've just made it to the top of my "dumb-teens-who-talk-out-of-their-ass" list.
Not because you're parents are republican does it mean they're ideals are right.

Bush is not an adequate for presidency of the most important country in the world. Never has been, never will be.

He can't say the world syllable properly.
He said syl-la-ble.

He gives very stupid and terrible answers to questions concerning important issues and thinks we are all blind sheep and follow him.

The US has suffered domestically and overseas. The country went from billions in surplus to hundreds of billions in debt.

Also the war is so stupid. Why didn't Bush go in with the help of most of the world. Then there would not have been so many problems. Look at Afghanistan. It still has violence but is much better then Iraq. WHY? Because the world is involved there.

Most of America dislikes him. His polls are 37% agree and 60% disagree.
(and like 75% "stupid cowboy" up here in Canada,

Originally posted by BartmanX
Why does everyone hate George W. Bush soo much?!?!?! What has he done wrong?! GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T LIKE BLACK PEOPLE! (jk) i dunno...he's republican...

Originally posted by AdventChild
He still hasn't finish helping most of the katrina victims, he could do more than what he's done so far.... he's put our country in such economic debt it's going to take years to recover, he's sent troops to kill innocent lives and he has a speaking problem...

He can't do anything about the katrina victums! The law says that the government cannot do anything to help the citizens unless the government is specificly asked to do so. He can only a certain amount of things at a time! He has the whole country of america to deal with, including the war, and our corroporation would help alot! What's wrong with his speaking?

Originally posted by Susan-Storm
I know Well said BartmanX.What has he done.You People if you could stop whining about the war maybe you could see that bush is actually doing some good for america

Thank you.

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
George Dubbaya is an ignorant Figure head Puppet.

Dick is the real person who is running the country, I mean, ffs, do you really beleive that somebody who can't even say "Fool me ounce, shame on me, Fool me twice, shame on you" Properly is Capable of starting a war? INTENTIONALLY!?

what?

Originally posted by AdventChild
You have to be kidding me....Like what is he doing good?

EVERYTHING HE CAN!!!!!!!

Originally posted by AdventChild
... ummm ok....i'm not a liberal by the way i just dislike bush...kerry is a dumbass as well....i don't like either and rather not vote than choose either..bush is just ...DUMB...

We're not talking about kerry.

Oh. My. God.

It's Jackie.

Originally posted by BartmanX
We're not talking about kerry. BURN!

Originally posted by BartmanX
We're not talking about kerry.
Actually, you simian child, he WAS talking about Kerry.
Originally posted by Black Rob
BURN!
What a tool.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Actually, you simian child, he WAS talking about Kerry.

What a tool. you're a tool you.....tool

Originally posted by Black Rob
you're a tool you.....tool
Such a retort leaves me in awe and subsequently speechless, save for this response.

There are far more important things in the world than President George W. Bush. What are they? I dunno...go outside and find them. Some fresh air might be good for you.

Originally posted by WindDancer
There are far more important things in the world than President George W. Bush. What are they? I dunno...go outside and find them. Some fresh air might be good for you. It makes me vomit

Bush reminds me of Benito Mussolini waaay too much

Bush reminds me of someone out to rid the world of evil dictators. You all get so angry for no reason. He's torturing evil terroists for gods sake! Whats wrong with that? He's trying to rid the world of people like saddam hussain. I cant wait till he turns his attention to other dangerous states and states which publicly flog and torture children COUGHIranCOUGHNigeriaCOUGHNorth Korea

bush..went to war....Intentionally....the original reason into going there was because of weapons of mass destruction...Then all of a sudden it changes to liberating the iraqi's and terrorist...Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks so why did we go after saddam and not bin laden...because ladden and bush and buddies...... also bush talks like a retard..he has horrible charisma....to answer your question by the way bartmanx....the better question would be what good has he done for this country as compared to what harm... I tell you it would be a smaller list of what he's done good than bad....

Originally posted by FeceMan
Alert, alert!

Yes, Captain, we have a definite troll on the loose.

Call which specialists? Oh, those specialists. Bighorn, Littlehorn, and Joe.

You talking to me?

What has he done for me that I should like him?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You talking to me?
If you can be rid of the retards on KMC--and not the normal ones, like everyone is, but the really bad retards--then yes, I am talking to you.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Oh. My. God.

It's Jackie.
LOL...
Unfortunaly I was not around to see Jackie's popular moment, but Ive seen her old posts, I see what you talking about.

don't know that much about the man, but he's too conservative for my tatste.

Originally posted by Imagawa666
Bush reminds me of someone out to rid the world of evil dictators.

Does his agenda include impeaching himself, then?

If not he's not doing a good job on the 'getting rid of dictators' part.

Originally posted by Susan-Storm
You People if you could stop whining about the war maybe you could see that bush is actually doing some good for america

First off, read Darth Jello's post.

Second, the whole statement,"if you could stop whining about the war" seems to indicate that you are dismissing the fact that your president led your country into an unjust war against a country that was not involved with his war on terrorism, had wmd's or had anything to do with 9/11. Isn't the fact that that he did that enough?

Actually yesterday I saw Bush on tv talking about how his mission to rid Iraq of terrorists is not yet complete.

At that moment I thought, "what the f*ck! when did this become about fighting terrorists?"

First it was about wmd's, then it was about terrorism (which people called him on and then he decided that the war was more about "freeing the iraqi people"and instilling a democracy, then it was about ridding the country of insurgents, and now it is about terrorism again?

How can americans sit there and listen to him spew that sh*t?

because this is amuuurica!!!!!!!!!! and if you dont like it you can just get the hell outta canada!!!!!!

Originally posted by BartmanX
He can't do anything about the katrina victums! The law says that the government cannot do anything to help the citizens unless the government is specificly asked to do so. He can only a certain amount of things at a time! He has the whole country of america to deal with, including the war, and our corroporation would help alot! What's wrong with his speaking?

Actually, as has been explained more times than I can count, and as you would know if you knew ANYTHING, local and state governments in Louisiana gave the federal government permission to come in before Katrina even hit. No excuses are acceptable there. American citizens suffering at home should come before a war that we have no business fighting....and of course the fact that 35% of Louisiana's National Guard was overseas (when the point of the NG is to stay on US soil) fighting his little war did not help matters any.

Originally posted by FeceMan
If you can be rid of the retards on KMC--and not the normal ones, like everyone is, but the really bad retards--then yes, I am talking to you.


But, I have people to do that kind of thing for me.....

I just bought this shirt, and it wouldbe a shame if it got messed up...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First off, read Darth Jello's post.

Second, the whole statement,"if you could stop whining about the war" seems to indicate that you are dismissing the fact that your president led your country into an unjust war against a country that was not involved with his war on terrorism, had wmd's or had anything to do with 9/11. Isn't the fact that that he did that enough?

Actually yesterday I saw Bush on tv talking about how his mission to rid Iraq of terrorists is not yet complete.

At that moment I thought, "what the f*ck! when did this become about fighting terrorists?"

First it was about wmd's, then it was about terrorism (which people called him on and then he decided that the war was more about "freeing the iraqi people"and instilling a democracy, then it was about ridding the country of insurgents, and now it is about terrorism again?

How can americans sit there and listen to him spew that sh*t?

I saw a really great docu by a great author and journalist (whos name I can't remember...but he was on Bill Maher) where he went to all these different countries in Europe and interviewed different age groups, regarding their opinion on the war. And without fail, every demographic said that they hated what America had become under GW. AND, without fail, they all said that they held the people of this country responsible for allowing his actions. Take into consideration that we, here in the states, have the POWER to oust the president...we simply don't know we can. This man should be removed from office...it's simply the apathy of the American people that allow this crap to continue. And for that fact alone, many Europeans (and Arabs) hate us for it.

"I love America! I love President Bush! Thank you for bringing freedom to Iraq!"

*Brick clocks the poor woman in the head.*

Originally posted by FeceMan
"I love America! I love President Bush! Thank you for bringing freedom to Iraq!"

*Brick clocks the poor woman in the head.*

Loving freedom and loving America are two different things though dear.

After reading all of these posts it seems theirs only one decent way to settle all of this .

http://davidcg.sytes.net/almacen/fotos/anarchy-wallpaper-s.png

Originally posted by Imagawa666
Bush reminds me of someone out to rid the world of evil dictators. You all get so angry for no reason. He's torturing evil terroists for gods sake! Whats wrong with that? He's trying to rid the world of people like saddam hussain. I cant wait till he turns his attention to other dangerous states and states which publicly flog and torture children COUGHIranCOUGHNigeriaCOUGHNorth Korea Maybe Uzbekistan will be next.... oh wait that's where "Camp Stronghold Freedom" is located and a country to which the administration "outsources"....

saying bush freed iraq is like saying america civilized the indians.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Loving freedom and loving America are two different things though dear.
He was just quoting Deuce Bigalow 2.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
saying bush freed iraq is like saying america civilized the indians.
Well, it's not like Hussein was a goddamn saint.

Originally posted by Eis
Well, it's not like Hussein was a goddamn saint. Well... it's not like that wasn't old news decades ago.

Originally posted by Eis


Well, it's not like Hussein was a goddamn saint.

Don't forget his two loveable angel sons.

I personally don't care for Bush (the president, not the term for vagina, which I love greatly). I think he's doing a very poor job as president and has made a good number of mistakes.

That said, I think he's demonized way to much. I don't think he's nearly as bad as some people make him out to be.

I don't think he's necessarily as demonically evil, purely because he's seriously too stupid to be evil.

That said I do think he's doing an incredibly bad job and it's pretty scary that people chose a very unintelligent man to be the president of America.

-AC

The most clever of people can make themselves seem otherwise. And, as Lao Tzu said, "Rulers who try to use cleverness cheat the country. Those who rule without cleverness are a blessing to the land."

Yeah...

George Bush is actually a stupid idiot though isn't he? Let's not start philosophising our way into believing otherwise.

The man asked what state Wales was in. The president of the United States of America, asking what state the country of Wales was in.

-AC

"Strategery"

Originally posted by BackFire
"Strategery"

Even better.

"Is our children learning."

Indeed, Bush is inarticulate and may be ignorant of geography. However, this does not equate with stupidity--I know that I, too, am fairly ignorant of geography, as our school system never focused on it. (See, there's this big blob to the right of us that's Asia. It's also to the left.)

"Fool me once....shame on.....shame on.....me? Fool me twice...shame......can't get fooled again!"

Being fairly ignorant of Geography and being a civilian is not too bad. Some people have that general knowledge, some don't.

This man is the President of America, it's more or less his job to know these things and he's asking questions like "What state is Wales in?". It's a country.

Yes, he's an idiot. No amount of discussing will prove otherwise.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Being fairly ignorant of Geography and being a civilian is not too bad. Some people have that general knowledge, some don't.

This man is the President of America, it's more or less his job to know these things and he's asking questions like "What state is Wales in?". It's a country.

Yes, he's an idiot. No amount of discussing will prove otherwise.

-AC
If all you have is examples of misspeech, then your ammunition is about as effective as Chibi Boy's with regards to evolution.

"What state is Wales in?" is far worse then just "misspeech"

Similarly if you are genuinely of the belief that George Bush is not a complete idiot (not politically, just generally stupid) then your opinion is about as relevent and helpful to today's society as a German newspaper with the headline "Hitler: Beware the Upcoming Troublemaker."

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Similarly if you are genuinely of the belief that George Bush is not a complete idiot (not politically, just generally stupid) then your opinion is about as relevent and helpful to today's society as a German newspaper with the headline "Hitler: Beware the Upcoming Troublemaker."

-AC
Or perhaps your own opinion's relevancy fails when you cannot provide proof of his "stupidity". Now, I'll bet you'd switch sides in a heartbeat should a pro-choice, anti-war, liberal were in office.

He's already better then Bush.

If him asking "What state is Wales in?" doesn't prove his stupidity, if his career so far does not prove his stupidity, then I genuinely do not know how else to prove it to you. Because it's all there, you're just doing that kid thing of looking away and pretending it's not there if you can't see it.

I find that endlessly funny. Pro-choice as a negative. Being FOR free choice, a bad thing.

-AC

pro-choice (in what?) is good, not actively looking for a war is good, liberal in general is bad.

AC, those mispronounciations and the geogrpahical error bit is rather funny, where do you guys find this info?

Other than arms dealers, are there "pro-war" people?

I'm pretty sure he actually is an idiot, otherwise he deserves an Oscar.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If him asking "What state is Wales in?" doesn't prove his stupidity, if his career so far does not prove his stupidity, then I genuinely do not know how else to prove it to you. Because it's all there, you're just doing that kid thing of looking away and pretending it's not there if you can't see it.

I find that endlessly funny. Pro-choice as a negative. Being FOR free choice, a bad thing.

-AC As far as I've noticed in America, most peoples version or definitions of stupid vary and are not exact and generally subjective. Therefore what I think is stupid (I don't think Bush is stupid, just borderline moron) is different from what you or Feceman think.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
pro-choice (in what?) is good, not actively looking for a war is good, liberal in general is bad.

AC, those mispronounciations and the geogrpahical error bit is rather funny, where do you guys find this info?

I fail to see how liberal is bad.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If him asking "What state is Wales in?" doesn't prove his stupidity, if his career so far does not prove his stupidity, then I genuinely do not know how else to prove it to you. Because it's all there, you're just doing that kid thing of looking away and pretending it's not there if you can't see it.

I find that endlessly funny. Pro-choice as a negative. Being FOR free choice, a bad thing.

-AC
Ignorance is not stupidity. Stupid questions are not symptoms of stupidity (God knows I've asked more than a few...****ing chemistry).
Originally posted by Lana
I fail to see how liberal is bad.
I don't.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
pro-choice (in what?) is good, not actively looking for a war is good, liberal in general is bad.

AC, those mispronounciations and the geogrpahical error bit is rather funny, where do you guys find this info?

I heard it through a friend then read in in a newspaper. The girl he said it to also said it on TV.

I don't find that funny though, considering this man is running the most powerful nation on Earth.

-AC

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ignorance is not stupidity. Stupid questions are not symptoms of stupidity (God knows I've asked more than a few...****ing chemistry).

I don't.

Ignorance is WORSE than stupidity, I think.

What makes it worse than being conservative?

Originally posted by Lana
Ignorance is WORSE than stupidity, I think.

What makes it worse than being conservative?
You know it's just going to piss you off if I tell you, and you'll dismiss it as Christian rubbish anyhow.

Fece, he's not just some random American who didn't know where, or what, Wales is. He's the president of America.

The man is genuinely stupid.

-AC

Originally posted by FeceMan
You know it's just going to piss you off if I tell you, and you'll dismiss it as Christian rubbish anyhow.


Which may not be far from the truth.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Fece, he's not just some random American who didn't know where, or what, Wales is. He's the president of America.

The man is genuinely stupid.

-AC
The man is genuinely--really!--of average intelligence.

Assuming that's true....it's still not very reassuring.

i don't like the whole stupid vs. ignorant argument. It takes a unique degree of inbreeding to develop a wealth of ignorance that competes with Bush's.

Average intelligence? Laughable, truly.

Like I said, you're doing the little child technique of "Lalalalala not listening."

Doesn't change the fact that there is a man in charge of the world's most powerful nation who reads upside down books without noticing and probably couldn't tell you where a lot of countries are on the map. Sure, that's ignorant to Geography and if he were a random man, that'd be ok. He's not though is he?

"We have to launch a nookular strike on I-raq..." "Sir, Iraq had nothing to do with it." "Silence! I'm trying to find it on Google Earth but I'm having trouble workin' these internets."

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Assuming that's true....it's still not very reassuring.
Think of it this way:

Bush has an average intelligence modifier.
He has a lower wisdom modifier.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Average intelligence? Laughable, truly.

Like I said, you're doing the little child technique of "Lalalalala not listening."

-AC
And you're just doing the "I don't like Bush, so I'll call him stupid" technique.

I don't want a C student running this country. The leader of the free world should have extraordinary intelegence.

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't want a C student running this country. The leader of the free world should have extraordinary intelegence.
Then perhaps the requirements for presidency should be much steeper. Having a certain GPA (with review for the courses taken, mind you) and coming from a certain class of college.

Oh, wait, everyone would pitch a fit about that.

Hell, if it would stop bad presidents from getting into office and invading countries in an unjust manner, sign me up.

Originally posted by FeceMan
And you're just doing the "I don't like Bush, so I'll call him stupid" technique.

I'm not though am I? I'm showing you what a genuinely stupid person does, that he also does, and you're just going "Nah, average intelligence. Not dumb, just ignorant."

Which is:

A) Ignorant in itself. Because you're ignoring blatant proof just because you don't like it.

and B) Still a con to him being president. He's not a stupid president? Oh ok, just an ignorant one who couldn't care less. Saying that, he did once say "I don't really pay much attention to Bin Laden's whereabouts to be honest with you."

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not though am I? I'm showing you what a genuinely stupid person does, that he also does, and you're just going "Nah, average intelligence. Not dumb, just ignorant."

Which is:

A) Ignorant in itself. Because you're ignoring blatant proof just because you don't like it.

and B) Still a con to him being president. He's not a stupid president? Oh ok, just an ignorant one who couldn't care less. Saying that, he did once say "I don't really pay much attention to Bin Laden's whereabouts to be honest with you."

-AC
You act as though ignorance is an incurable disease.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You act as though ignorance is an incurable disease. For some it is.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For some it is.
Good thing KidRock isn't going to be president.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I heard it through a friend then read in in a newspaper. The girl he said it to also said it on TV.

I don't find that funny though, considering this man is running the most powerful nation on Earth.

-AC

he isnt running it AC. i thought you knew that

I'm not gonna get drawn into a debate of conspiracies with you, Deano. We've tried that and you pegged it backward faster than a Pirate version of Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk.

Fece: You're missing the point. You can deny his stupidity, at the risk of your own credibility, all you want. You're only walking into my point by then claiming he is ignorant. As if it were better.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not gonna get drawn into a debate of conspiracies with you, Deano. We've tried that and you pegged it backward faster than a Pirate version of Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk.

Fece: You're missing the point. You can deny his stupidity, at the risk of your own credibility, all you want. You're only walking into my point by then claiming he is ignorant. As if it were better.

-AC

you speak of idiots. but if you think that bush has the brains to run a country, let alone an hotdog stand. then your an idiot. but im sure you dont think that.

i blame people either not voting or turning a blind eye to widespread voter fraud. Bush's base consists of the greedy upper crust and people who voted for him solely "cause he'll get save sum babies and get dem der, moslems, queers, n' jews off a mah propertah."

Originally posted by Deano
you speak of idiots. but if you think that bush has the brains to run a country, let alone an hotdog stand. then your an idiot. but im sure you dont think that.

I think you meant to put hotdog stand before country in your humourous quip there, it'd make more sense.

Also, I quite clearly do not think he has the brains to run a country successfully. The fact that he is "running" (for arguments sake) it, is scary then isn't it?

-AC

Hey, it worked for Mussolini, and then it ended badly for him. very, very badly...

Originally posted by Lana
Ignorance is WORSE than stupidity, I think.

What makes it worse than being conservative? Ignorance is not worse than stupidity... unless I'm wrong in that the ignorance is where a person has the capaicity to learn but hasn't.

Ignorance is worse because they HAVE learnt but refuse to acknowledge.

At least with stupidity you can say they just don't know better.

-AC

i don't think it's fair to call neocons "conservative since their economic policies are in no way conservative and their political policies are somewhere between Straussian and Fascistic. True conservatives would be and are appalled by Bush.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think you meant to put hotdog stand before country in your humourous quip there, it'd make more sense.Maybe he just thinks running a hot dog stand is insurmountably difficult.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, he's an idiot. No amount of discussing will prove otherwise.

He graduated from YALE!

GO DUB'YA!!!!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ignorance is worse because they HAVE learnt but refuse to acknowledge.

At least with stupidity you can say they just don't know better.

-AC
What? No, Snoopbert was right.

Websters defines it vbaguely the same as mine, but last time I trusted websters I got a "B-"

Websters:

"without knowledge; uninformed; resulting from want of knowledge".

'The Man Who Pooped The World':

He will either be able to release his sphincter, thus emptying his rotten bowels, or he will have the mother of all hemorrhoids.

I be prayin' to mighty Jeezus dat it be the latter, so help me Gawd.

What is with you people?

Originally posted by FeceMan
What? No, Snoopbert was right.

Ignorance stems from ignoring. Which means to not pay attention to, more or less.

So if you're ignorant, you know it's there and just don't give a shit. Where as stupidity is not knowing.

Both of which Bush possesses in different areas. A mighty feat.

-AC

i'm an independent. bush is not the greatest president. he's made decisions that weren't the best ones and some that were but the point is that he did them and we can't change it. but he has not decieved anybody. he has layed it on the line. "this is what i believe and you can disagree with me if that's what you believe."

you can disagree with him, but calling him a fascist, a nazi, a dumb ass, deciever, liar or anything like that is over the line i believe.

This is why I hate Bush:

"Oh!I'll go start a war for a reason thats retarded and stupid and be a crapy president!"

Originally posted by XANA_Mar
This is why I hate Bush:

"Oh!I'll go start a war for a reason thats retarded and stupid and be a crapy president!"

HE NEVER SAID THAT AND THAT "REASON OF YOURS IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGHT WITH FACTS FOR PEOPLE TO CONSIDER YOUR POINT OF VIEW

AC, I think it's funny that you think I'm worried about my 'credibility' on KMC. If I truly cared, I would do the following:

1. Drop Christianity and either become an atheist, agnostic, or Muslim. If I were to choose to follow Islam, I would also say that I was from the Middle East. Then I would laugh my ass off as people characterized Christians as gay-hating rednecks and then went off on others who dared to mention Islamic Fundamentalists.

2. Become pro-choice. Except in the case of criminals. Then I'd be pro-life. And I'd support organizations like NAMBLA because I would...

3. Be a moral relativist. Sweet.

4. Hate Bush with a passion undying and refer to any of his supporters as rednecks and hicks.

5. Constantly ***** about the U.S. military and our being in Iraq. And by 'constantly', I mean 'every other thread'. Oh, and I forgot to add Bush to the topics of bitchery, though that should probably go under number four.

6. Feign compassion for all sorts of crap that doesn't matter.

7. Do all sorts of other crap that I don't feel like listing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ignorance stems from ignoring. Which means to not pay attention to, more or less.

So if you're ignorant, you know it's there and just don't give a shit. Where as stupidity is not knowing.

Both of which Bush possesses in different areas. A mighty feat.

-AC
I hate to pull an Adam here, but...

ig·no·rant adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

And thus you're simply saying what you believe the word means and how it pertains to slam Bush.

Originally posted by FeceMan
AC, I think it's funny that you think I'm worried about my 'credibility' on KMC. If I truly cared, I would do the following:

1. Drop Christianity and either become an atheist, agnostic, or Muslim. If I were to choose to follow Islam, I would also say that I was from the Middle East. Then I would laugh my ass off as people characterized Christians as gay-hating rednecks and then went off on others who dared to mention Islamic Fundamentalists.

2. Become pro-choice. Except in the case of criminals. Then I'd be pro-life. And I'd support organizations like NAMBLA because I would...

3. Be a moral relativist. Sweet.

4. Hate Bush with a passion undying and refer to any of his supporters as rednecks and hicks.

5. Constantly ***** about the U.S. military and our being in Iraq. And by 'constantly', I mean 'every other thread'. Oh, and I forgot to add Bush to the topics of bitchery, though that should probably go under number four.

6. Feign compassion for all sorts of crap that doesn't matter.

7. Do all sorts of other crap that I don't feel like listing.

Though you apparantly felt the need to list 7 irrelevent things. I say irrelevent because after all, you're not concerned about your credibility here...right?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I hate to pull an Adam here, but...

ig·no·rant adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

And thus you're simply saying what you believe the word means and how it pertains to slam Bush.

I concede my point. I thought one meaning of ignorance was unaware or uninformed, also a lack of knowledge.

Oh wait. Can you give me a minute? Thanks.

*Does a lot of scientific experiments*

Well, it would appear that ignorance does also mean what I just said, which is what I slammed Bush for. I said the difference between ignorance and stupidity is the same difference as knowing something and ignoring it, or just not knowing something because you are dumb. Now whether you want to call Bush ignorant or stupid (I believe he is both based on, well, everything he's done or said) the fact of the matter is, neither of those qualities are good to have in a president.

My original point was that the guy is stupid. He clearly has problems with pronounciation, grammar, forming a sentence, location of countries...

-AC

It would appear that deriding Bush has become a popular past-time. I think that's wonderful, but its a shame that it is a year or so too late...

The list of his errors is too lengthy to mention in great detail, but let's take a glance at a list I can think of:

- Misuse of 'intelligence' as a means to legitmize a war.
- Parading around like the war was over, when more soldiers have died since the 'end'.
- Failure to produce any kind of long and short-term stratergy for rebuilding.
- Dereliction of duty by the highest members of his government - Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove...
- Rejection of International Law - Geneva convention, UN-approval for war...
- Inability - or unwilling - to act in the face of domestic tragedy - the Katrina debacle.
- Proclaiming freedom for all, whilst restricting it for many - homeland security measures.

Oh, I'm bored...Someone else add some more...

Of course, I failed to even mention all the dirty deals with mega-corporations...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I concede my point. I thought one meaning of ignorance was unaware or uninformed, also a lack of knowledge.

-AC
Except you clearly defined it as not being informed but as ignoring the facts.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Except you clearly defined it as not being informed but as ignoring the facts.

A) I wasn't actually conceding my point.

B) That is also ignorant.

I do like the way you've allowed yourself to be drawn into a debate about what the correct negative, disparaging term is. With regards to Bush.

Proves my point with Bush supporters. They don't care what they argue for, even if it's anti-Bush. As long as it's their point of view that prevails.

If I called Bush a stupid idiot and you believed he was more leaning to the side of being an ignorant *******, you'd probably argue that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri


Proves my point with Bush supporters. They don't care what they argue for, even if it's anti-Bush. As long as it's their point of view that prevails.

-AC


well if you ever get the chance to take a step back from your own pieces, I think you might see that you continue to argue until you feel as if your point of view prevails.......funny lol

There's a difference between belligerently sticking to a (dis?)belief proved to be false and belligerently sticking to a truth that remains so. One of those actions is known as 'lying', the other is known as having 'integrity'. It seems plain to see which label Bush and his followers deserve...(HINT: It's spelt the same as the prefered posture when using a bed).

Anyone who observes Bush's deeds should realise that by now...Unless, of course, you have sh!t for brains. Wait a second...

*PING* A Light-bulb finds its calling...

Originally posted by soleran30
well if you ever get the chance to take a step back from your own pieces, I think you might see that you continue to argue until you feel as if your point of view prevails.......funny lol

And if you read my post you'll see what context I said it in. The purpose of a debate is to make your P.o.V prevail. The point I made was that Bush supporters will do this even if it's a matter of "What kind of shit is Bush, runny or solid?"

Please don't try to catch me out.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Though you apparantly felt the need to list 7 irrelevent things. I say irrelevent



Useful tip- when the letters 'a' or 'e' appear near the end of the word, you are about to select the wrong one.

Choose the other.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
He graduated from YALE!

GO DUB'YA!!!!

they actually compared john kerry's and George Bush's test scores when they were in the guard. Bush's scores were higher

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) I wasn't actually conceding my point.

B) That is also ignorant.

I do like the way you've allowed yourself to be drawn into a debate about what the correct negative, disparaging term is. With regards to Bush.

Proves my point with Bush supporters. They don't care what they argue for, even if it's anti-Bush. As long as it's their point of view that prevails.

If I called Bush a stupid idiot and you believed he was more leaning to the side of being an ignorant *******, you'd probably argue that.

-AC

that's not a good idea to generalize. all bushies aren't like that. i'm a independent, but i still think that bush is a hell of a lot better than any left wing jackass

Wait, slow everything down. Slam on the brakes.

Are people actually starting to convince themselves that Bush ISN'T an idiot?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, slow everything down. Slam on the brakes.

Are people actually starting to convince themselves that Bush ISN'T an idiot?

-AC

just because you disagree with his moral or political views, doesn't mean he is an idiot. if u are talking about book smarts, he's got alot of that

I'm not calling him an idiot because I disagree with his political views or moral views. There are plenty of smart people with stupid views.

The fact that he is actually a stupid man as proven by his very basic actions and lack of intelligence, is why I say it.

I know someone who a hell of a lot of book smarts. You ask him to discuss the nature of infinity and he just goes blank.

-AC

monkeys who type on a typewriter for eternity will eventually type out the whole works of shakespeare

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not calling him an idiot because I disagree with his political views or moral views. There are plenty of smart people with stupid views.

The fact that he is actually a stupid man as proven by his very basic actions and lack of intelligence, is why I say it.

I know someone who a hell of a lot of book smarts. You ask him to discuss the nature of infinity and he just goes blank.

-AC

in that case, with your philosophy, i think Bill clinton is an idiot because of the actions he did in his agendas and personal life

Originally posted by cheldon
in that case, with your philosophy, i think Bill clinton is an idiot because of the actions he did in his agendas and personal life

As I said before, there's such a thing as smart people with idiotic views.

George Bush is actually dumb.

-AC

also bush is an evil child abusing satanist who is the biggest puppet on earth.
did i mention rascist. oh and a drug runner.





http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

Originally posted by cheldon
they actually compared john kerry's and George Bush's test scores when they were in the guard. Bush's scores were higher

Conservative propoganda showed Bush's scores as higher.

Liberal propoganda showed Kerry's scores as higher.

Regardless, Bush's speech defects and geographical misconceptions, as alluded to countless times within this thread, have proven to me time and time again that our president is not fit for his job.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Proves my point with Bush supporters. They don't care what they argue for, even if it's anti-Bush. As long as it's their point of view that prevails.

-AC
Surely thy wisdom prevails against all odds and knows the innermost details of my heart.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Surely thy wisdom prevails against all odds and knows the innermost details of my heart. he is the Sybil from Quest for Glory V.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Surely thy wisdom prevails against all odds and knows the innermost details of my heart.

Are you or are you not debating for George Bush's idiocy to be labelled ignorant over stupid?

Either you are or you've just been posting for laughs.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
monkeys who type on a typewriter for eternity will eventually type out the whole works of shakespeare

Sadly for you, the average life-span of modern man is just into his 70s...Maybe you have enough time to produce something akin to Dan Brown's books though!



"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Vs.

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." (May 29, 2003)

One led to a tricky period for a guy's marriage, the other led to a war that is yet to end, but has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

Engage your brain next time you attempt to formulate a thought.

Hmm.. How odd.. I haven't seen any argument to Bush being a good politician. Maybe I can conclude that he actually isn't a good politician!

But Cheney is still worse, whereas Bush is just a dumb puppet, Cheney wants to make it legal that terrorist suspects are tortured.
What a bunch of nice guys!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you or are you not debating for George Bush's idiocy to be labelled ignorant over stupid?

Either you are or you've just been posting for laughs.

-AC
I'm not acknowledging idiocy in any case. Since that would be conceding my point and all.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Sadly for you, the average life-span of modern man is just into his 70s...Maybe you have enough time to produce something akin to Dan Brown's books though!



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its called the nature of infinity

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not acknowledging idiocy in any case. Since that would be conceding my point and all.

You're not conceding your point but you're not defending it either, besides a very flimsy (and untrue) little retort. Also, considering the fact that he is quite obviously stupid, that leaves two conclusions to be drawn doesn't it?

That you are either denying his stupidity for the sake of it (because to anyone with eyes, ears and reasonably brain power it's easy to see Bush is an idiot), or you genuinely do not believe the man his stupid.

Both courses of action are acts of idiocy. The former more so.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're not conceding your point but you're not defending it either, besides a very flimsy (and untrue) little retort. Also, considering the fact that he is quite obviously stupid, that leaves two conclusions to be drawn doesn't it?

That you are either denying his stupidity for the sake of it (because to anyone with eyes, ears and reasonably brain power it's easy to see Bush is an idiot), or you genuinely do not believe the man his stupid.

Both courses of action are acts of idiocy. The former more so.

-AC


Would you like to add anything else? Or would you prefer to continue on with the "I AM RITE U R WRONG" monologue? (I apologize for interrupting.)

What's funny is that you share some of the qualities that whob does and you don't even know it.

Ahem, the common conception of the courses of action by AC:

1) "I AM RITE U R WRONG" monologue (With big words)
2) If this fails, you are bashing.
3) Repeat.

NOTE: Making light of the situation

Originally posted by Snoopbert
NOTE: Making light of the situation
Clearly.

(Oh, noes! We have a SITUATION? Code blue, code blue! Put KMC on red alert NOW!)