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Who the hardest, who's got the better Drummer,Who got better Guitar player. To make it more fair Metallica at there hardest and Slayer at there hardest.

slayer is "harder" i suppose, but kirk kicks kerrys ass

That's alright but I think the other Guitar player from slayer better then Kirk.

Better at hitting open strings sloppily, maybe. Faster and less accurate is not better.

I heard them both to Slayer guy is better and yes I know Kirk was taught by Satrini

meh, too many things about metallica piss me off. I'd go with slayer cause they seem to be more creative and unafraid to go back to their roots as a hardcore punk band (undisputed attitude). Metallica are just a bunch of right wing dicks who attack their own fans, try to copy the same formula over and over again and wouldn't let les claypool into the band for fear of him taking the attention away from the other three (despite him being a much better bass player than newstead).

Slayer

In my personal opinion Jeff Henneman, technically, is a better overall player. Jeff writes virtually ALL Slayers songs. Guitar patterns, lyrics, the whole 9 yards. Kirk plays what James writes for him, throws in some solos, and calls it a day.

As far as comparing the extreme nature of their music, Slayer by a very, very long shot.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
meh, too many things about metallica piss me off. I'd go with slayer cause they seem to be more creative and unafraid to go back to their roots as a hardcore punk band (undisputed attitude). Metallica are just a bunch of right wing dicks who attack their own fans, try to copy the same formula over and over again and wouldn't let les claypool into the band for fear of him taking the attention away from the other three (despite him being a much better bass player than newstead).

Well if your "fans" had threatened to ditch you because you cut your hair, I think you'd be a bit pissed off too.

-AC

Much as this contradicts my earlier post, I don't actually care about members of a band, I care about the music they make AS the band.

and metallica is pretty bland and uncreative. they're a great example of selling out

They're not. Sell out is a term that, as many people have said, gets thrown around way too easily.

They're not sell outs because they did something you don't like. Green Day aren't sell outs because people who loved Dookie no longer like their music. Metallica aren't sell outs because not a lot of people liked the fact that they got their hair cut and put out albums that weren't as good as Master of Puppets. Get that right.

Selling out is when an artist does something they don't want to do and/or contradicts their earlier opinions, beliefs or morals in exchange for popularity, fame and money. Metallica didn't ever do this. "But they cut their hair!!!" So what?

If you stop liking a band because of what their hair looks like, then you're no fan anyway.

I think Brandon Boyd's decision to make money off being a GAP model is a really horrible decision. He has people out there such as I, who value him for the incredible singer that he is and he chose to make money off those who only like him when his shirt is off. I don't like that, but on the other hand he doesn't owe me anything. I think it's a shit decision, but he doesn't owe it to me NOT to sell out, as much as I hate to say that. The reason I stopped respecting Brandon Boyd (morally, he is still an amazing singer and nothing can take that away from the man) isn't because he modelled for GAP per se. It's because he made a decision contradicting something he was previously very strongly against. That being the idea of image coming before music. If he had never spoken out against it and THEN modelled for GAP, I'd not have as much of a problem. It's the contradictions that make the sell out. He went back on something he felt very strongly against in return for more popularity and money, I don't respect that.

I'm going off a bit, but the point is that I don't recall Metallica saying "Anyone who gets their haircut and makes subpar albums here and there, are sell outs." and then choosing to do the opposite. I have absolutely no reason to believe that the decisions they've made were not their own.

-AC

it's not a matter of wanting or not wanting to do something. It's a matter of changing or maintaining your sound with no other goal in mind except to sell records. The whole haircut shit and load albums was all about cashing in on grunge or whatever the hell you wanna call it.
to be honest, i never liked metallica and for the most part can't stand metal but i can appreciate people like Slayer, anthrax, sabbath, ac/dc, and zepplin. I just find absolutely nothing creative or remotely entertaining about metallica's music and have seen no motivation in their career other than cash.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
it's not a matter of wanting or not wanting to do something. It's a matter of changing or maintaining your sound with no other goal in mind except to sell records. The whole haircut shit and load albums was all about cashing in on grunge or whatever the hell you wanna call it.
to be honest, i never liked metallica and for the most part can't stand metal but i can appreciate people like Slayer, anthrax, sabbath, ac/dc, and zepplin. I just find absolutely nothing creative or remotely entertaining about metallica's music and have seen no motivation in their career other than cash.

The thing that makes me laugh is the people who are so independent enough to call Metallica sell outs, corporate or trendhoppers. Metallica were anti-record company, anti-establishment and anti-most things before "Grunge" or anything like that existed, before most "rebel" bands were out of high school or even in existence.

You don't like them getting their hair cuts? Big ****ing deal. Why is it an issue? They did it because they wanted to get their hair cut. What is it to do with you? Why does their hairstyle even matter? When you put the CD in, you don't hear how short their hair is do you? Hating Metallica because of their hair is the equivelent of a girl liking Justin Timberlake's music because he's "hot". As for the image being a cash in on Grunge, pathetic. They were dressing sharper, if anything. So they grew up, big deal. You don't like Load? Fine. That doesn't mean they sold out, factually.

The fact that you don't like Metallica's music and see (for some odd reason) no motivation behind them besides cash, then that's fine by me. Stupid, but fine. This doesn't mean they sold out. It means you have a blinkered view of the band and see them differently to a lot of people.

-AC

if harder means better then, personally, Slayer

Slayer really missed the point when they covered Minor Threat's Guilty of Being White, tho.

Originally posted by golem370
I heard them both to Slayer guy is better and yes I know Kirk was taught by Satrini
Satriani you moron

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The thing that makes me laugh is the people who are so independent enough to call Metallica sell outs, corporate or trendhoppers. Metallica were anti-record company, anti-establishment and anti-most things before "Grunge" or anything like that existed, before most "rebel" bands were out of high school or even in existence.

You don't like them getting their hair cuts? Big ****ing deal. Why is it an issue? They did it because they wanted to get their hair cut. What is it to do with you? Why does their hairstyle even matter? When you put the CD in, you don't hear how short their hair is do you? Hating Metallica because of their hair is the equivelent of a girl liking Justin Timberlake's music because he's "hot". As for the image being a cash in on Grunge, pathetic. They were dressing sharper, if anything. So they grew up, big deal. You don't like Load? Fine. That doesn't mean they sold out, factually.

The fact that you don't like Metallica's music and see (for some odd reason) no motivation behind them besides cash, then that's fine by me. Stupid, but fine. This doesn't mean they sold out. It means you have a blinkered view of the band and see them differently to a lot of people.

-AC

I agree with AC this time disgust

As their music goes, its Slayer's great all time music, and Metallica's early heavy great music. I'd have to go with SLAYER easily! Metallica's old stuff was great, but their new stuff has gone to puts.

And also, Slayer can keep a hold of their bass player, sadly Metallica pops a new bass player every once and a while...

I know Metallica sold more records but how many has Slayer Sold?

why should that matter?

Can't say I've heard that in every Slayer song.

Metallica have the numbers advantage in terms of superior musicians. Slayer have one of the best drummers of all time though (and retorting with 'So do Metallica' doesn't count. Because they don't).

So it's essentially James and Kirk Vs Dave.

As a whole, I prefer Metallica at their best.

-AC

Whatever. Think what ya wanna. I love Slayer. I like Metallica, but not as much as Slayer. Yeah, I heard Slayer many years after I first heard Metallica, but I like a lot more Slayer songs than Metallica songs. Sure, Slayer tends to repeat things, but you can't say that they do it in every song.....I have two Slayer CD's, and not every song sounds the same! Kerry's guitar playing can often sound the same, but they really expirement.

I personally miss Metallica's older harder music. I wish they could play some heavier songs, but they're doing their own thing.

Originally posted by StinkFist462
Slayer agreed.

Originally posted by golem370
Who the hardest, who's got the better Drummer,Who got better Guitar player. To make it more fair Metallica at there hardest and Slayer at there hardest.

Slayer

To be honest... I think these bands are two different kinds of metal... but some people are getting off track... the question was "Who is the HARDEST band?" not "better band"... Hardest DEFINATELY goes to Slayer... but better band? I'm not so sure... Slayer DOES have two really talented lead guitarists and their drummer is amazing... but their singer is a monotone and you you don't know what he's saying half the time... I still have much respect for them though, for putting out LEGENDARY metal anthems such as Raining Blood and Angel Of Death... but when they write riffs, i don't think that timing is on their minds... Metallica is by far the better band... Blackened send chills down my spine everytime i hear the intro... and the solo on Master Of Puppets (the one after "laughter, laughter.. laughing at my cries" is one of the greatest solos in metal history! but i'm getting off-track here...

Slayer = harder
Metallica = better

P.S. they did not sell out... they just grew up... i'm proud of them
but St. Anger??? WHERE ARE THE SOLOS???!!! they better have some on their next album!

^ I agree with that guy actually. Third change of mind i've made so far.

Originally posted by VoodooChile89


P.S. they did not sell out... they just grew up... i'm proud of them
but St. Anger??? WHERE ARE THE SOLOS???!!! they better have some on their next album!

Yeah i was wondering where the solo's went myself

Slayer.

They both suck.

alpha, i aplaud you for sticking up for metallica. i feel likle the only one on these pages.

they certainly were never sell outs, the music they produced was what evolved at the time and was what they wanted to play. why would a band who wre already millionaires try to cash in any more? load and reload were more experimental and more contempory than their earlier albums. s&m was also a very experimental album which for me, was incredible.

also, how do you know how talented a guitar player is compared to another? what tehy play on stage has little to do with how good they are.i'm sure kirk could play slayer songs in his sleep, and vice versa. i am a hardcore metallica fan, i will be honest. but just because i am doesnt mean i'm going to slag off a different bands musicians simply because its not rob, lars, james or kirk. every band who's made it should garner respect. i sometimes feel that music fans are like football fans. they love their team but rarely respect others and hurl abuse too easily.

as for the hardest band? i'd say slayer, but then thats the sort of music they intended to play. if you really need to ask this question i suggest listening to both bands more and decide for yourself.

The REAL question should be 'Better band, Metallica or Iron Maiden?' lol

Maiden of course. Possibly it could be said that Metallica done more for the progression of metal; but nothing beats Maiden. Bruce is still a god, even with leotards and there also British.

Ronnie James Dio

I think Maiden are quite overrated personally.

I like some of their songs and I do completely respect what they've done, just like I respect The Beatles for doing what they did first.

I just think it's another case of being too stuck in the old days. I think they're good, just that they get way too much praise. Like em though.

-AC

The hardest band = Slayer, obviously.

Best band is up for grabs, I prefer slayer by a billion though.

What the hell does "harder" mean?

MOP alone crushes anything slayer has done.


lombardo/bostaph own lars on drums.

Every bassist metallica has had is better than araya.

hetfield/hammett>>>>>>>hanneman/king. King is absolutely horrid.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
and metallica is pretty bland and uncreative. they're a great example of selling out You just called metallica bland and uncreative in defense of SLAYER?

"Gee, lets see how much open E we can cram into a song"

^^^ AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Well,the threads question is which band is harder.Which is obviously Slayer.The discussion should end there,but some people decide to make complete morons out of themselves by calling Metallica uncreative,bland and sell-outs.Can you prove that they are?Nope,ya can't.You just say it because you like Slayer more

Originally posted by jostopholees
You just called metallica bland and uncreative in defense of SLAYER?

"Gee, lets see how much open E we can cram into a song"

Hahaha, quite funny.

I like Slayer, but this is quite true in terms of creativity. Dave Lombardo is extremely creative outside of Slayer though.

-AC

oldschool slayer and metallica are both kickass.
anyone bashing albums and those previous to 'seasons in the abyss' and '...and justice for all' can kiss my ass

as to who WAS harder, slayer by a long shot. anyone with 2 ears can tell you that.
next equally difficult question: which is harder: steel or butter

So no one still can define "harder".........

i define "harder" as having and inducing more aggression

Originally posted by PVS
i define "harder" as having and inducing more aggression

Slayer has more agression in their music, but someone who hates Metallica from the bottom of their hearts might find their songs inducing a lot more agression (if they at least like Slayer more).

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Slayer has more agression in their music, but someone who hates Metallica from the bottom of their hearts might find their songs inducing a lot more agression (if they at least like Slayer more).

i mean positive aggression. not a "turn this shit off before i smash your cd player into tiny pieces" aggression.

Positive agression? Oxymoron?

Originally posted by eggmayo
Positive agression? Oxymoron?

according to the technical definition yes, but are we not being anal?

Originally posted by PVS
according to the technical definition yes, but are we not being anal?
True.

Slayer hands down

They both suck...but if I had to choose one it would be Slayer.

New Metallica is just about as gay as it comes.

Slayer Hands down

Slayer

Of course, slayer is harder bCuz they put out more aggression than Metallica, but like some of them here say, metallica is better, how? sold 7TH most albums in the US and every song from the BLACK Album and back was great, load and up(different metallica) whatever! dont get me wrong, slayers great too, but its the repetition that kills them, too many of their songs have the same sound.

*to END THIS, SLAYER: HARDER! /V\ETALLIC/-\: BETTER!!!!

P.S. I WILL NEVER SEE ANYONE BEING BETTER THAN METALLICA UNTIL THEY SELL 80,000,000 ALBUMS,( I MEAN OLD METALLICA)(B4 LOAD)

i think both of them are good as each other.

Originally posted by drdoom7717
Of course, slayer is harder bCuz they put out more aggression than Metallica, but like some of them here say, metallica is better, how? sold 7TH most albums in the US and every song from the BLACK Album and back was great, load and up(different metallica) whatever! dont get me wrong, slayers great too, but its the repetition that kills them, too many of their songs have the same sound.

*to END THIS, SLAYER: HARDER! /V\ETALLIC/-\: BETTER!!!!

P.S. I WILL NEVER SEE ANYONE BEING BETTER THAN METALLICA UNTIL THEY SELL 80,000,000 ALBUMS,( I MEAN OLD METALLICA)(B4 LOAD)

metallica sold 12 million albums.
i fail to see how this makes them great.
does that mean brittany spears is a metal god?