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Ok now Thing has fought Namor and held up pretty well. More than half of the people in these forums think Colossus will beat Thing.

So who would win the battle of these two powerhouses?

Colossus doesnt have as much experience and fighting skills as Ben. As durable however.

I say Namor in a tough one.

Namor wins, stronger, better fighter, and he could fly and not to mention the H2O factory...

Namor.

Originally posted by jgiant
Namor wins, stronger, better fighter, and he could fly and not to mention the H2O factory... Colossus has a fighting skills level of 4 as to where Namors is a 3.

I think it would be close but Namor edges 6/10.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus has a fighting skills level of 4 as to where Namors is a 3.



And that site is wrong.

Namor should be at least 5. Seriously. Royal martial arts training and 100 frigging years of fighting experience!

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And that site is wrong.

Namor should be at least 5. Seriously. Royal martial arts training and 100 frigging years of fighting experience! It's not from a site it's from the 2004 Avengers handbook.

Here is Colossus' power grid for comparison. Pretty evenly matched.

Namors a lot stronger IMO

Originally posted by jgiant
Namor wins, stronger, better fighter, and he could fly and not to mention the H2O factory...
H2O factor ? Colossus doesn't need to breath.

And I am pretty sure he's more durable too.

But it depends too much on where they fight.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus has a fighting skills level of 4 as to where Namors is a 3.

its cause namor is only a master of one art ......the art of kicking ass.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Namors a lot stronger IMO He just has more feats. Colossus has alot of durabilty feats more than he does strength feats.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
its cause namor is only a master of one art ......the art of kicking ass.



I like that.

in an underwater fight Namor but away from sea...like in Siberia on a cool winterday...Pyotr would kill him....

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He just has more feats. Colossus has alot of durabilty feats more than he does strength feats.

That may be snoop. I dont think anyone can doubt Colossus's durability. However, besides strength feats, i also think Namor has better battle feats than him. His track record in battles > Colossus's imo.

Originally posted by jrodslam
That may be snoop. I dont think anyone can doubt Colossus's durability. However, besides strength feats, i also think Namor has better battle feats than him. His track record in battles > Colossus's imo.

its not an opinion its a fact.........

Originally posted by jrodslam
That may be snoop. I dont think anyone can doubt Colossus's durability. However, besides strength feats, i also think Namor has better battle feats than him. His track record in battles > Colossus's imo. The only people to beat Colossus are classic Juggernaut and Gladiator. And those were tough battles.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The only people to beat Colossus are classic Juggernaut and Gladiator. And those were tough battles.

............................

Namor..... the guy hefts up battleships and chucks them around like they're beach balls. He's just as strong, if not stronger than, Colossus. AND he's got mach-speed flight. Colossus goes down hard.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
............................ Colossus knocked down classic Juggy twice in their first encounter. Thats not anything to laugh at.

~

Originally posted by Piedmon
Namor..... the guy hefts up battleships and chucks them around like they're beach balls. He's just as strong, if not stronger than, Colossus. AND he's got mach-speed flight. Colossus goes down hard. Mach speed?

Oh boy here we go.

collossess my freind lend me a marvel dictionary book and it says namor is 3 and ironman is 4 or 5. i think collosses is a 4 too

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The only people to beat Colossus are classic Juggernaut and Gladiator. And those were tough battles.

Ok, but who are the people Colossus has beat? Thats the question.

"It's not from a site it's from the 2004 Avengers handbook."

Still not accurate. Colossus doesnt show skills in the level of either Namor or Thing. Hes more agile than Ben tho.

"The only people to beat Colossus are classic Juggernaut and Gladiator. And those were tough battles"

That Juggernaut fight wasent tough at all. Colossus only got one hit and was trashed in the rest of the whole fight.

Gladiator was more, altho again Colossus didnt do jack. And was of course knocked out.

EDIT: DIE ALL ****ING COMPUTERS DIE

colossus has knocked out hulk before and hulk is much stronger

Originally posted by gladiator69
colossus has knocked out hulk before and hulk is much stronger

I don't think he has ... Namor certainly has !

And in what issue in continuity did Colossus knocked out Hulk.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok, but who are the people Colossus has beat? Thats the question. He Knocked out a Skrull Hulk one time. And they are supposed to have the duplicate powers of their hosts.

And how strong in comparation was that "Hulk".

Oh wait a Skrull. I rest the case.

So actually no one.

the same as usual 100

He also smacked on a Skrull/Gladiator also.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
I don't think he has ... Namor certainly has !

do u have xmen 370 or have you read it before ?

Originally posted by olympian
And how strong in comparation was that "Hulk".

Oh wait a Skrull. I rest the case.

So actually no one. Are you always a jack@ss? On the next page it says Skrulls are exact copies of their host.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He also smacked on a Skrull/Gladiator also.

colossus smacked gladiator ? please dude wake up. juggy tried to knock the crap out of him and didnt do a damn thing. and juggy is much stronger than colossus

Originally posted by gladiator69
colossus smacked gladiator ? please dude wake up. juggy tried to knock the crap out of him and didnt do a damn thing. and juggy is much stronger than colossus

In the cartoon

u guys look at xmen 370 and youll see what im talking about.

"Are you always a jack@ss? On the next page it says Skrulls are exact copies of their host"



And how many wins has the amazing Super Skrull on his belt with all the powers of the Fantastic Four?

Supossely of course.

Any proof at all that those Skrulls wer even as formidable as the originals?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
On the next page it says Skrulls are exact copies of their host.

Snoop, Skrulls are exact copies in appearance and SOME of the abilities. A Skrull Hulk doesnt get stronger as he gets madder like the real Hulk.

Same way Super Skrull even with the F4 abilities never looks as formidable as the original team.

So much for the "jack@ss".

Originally posted by olympian


Any proof at all that those Skrulls wer even as formidable as the originals? I could scan the narration that says it. But I have to remember the exact issue. Around X-men #90 or so.

Originally posted by olympian
Same way Super Skrull even with the F4 abilities never looks as formidable as the original team.

So much for the "jack@ss". He still only one guy and not four.

The only Skrull that somewhat better than the original, is Super Skrull.

HE can stretch longer than Reed. Hes AS strong as Thing etc.

All the normal skrulls may be able to duplicate the powers, but it doesnt have the same intensity as the duplicated host.

So if a skrull copies Hulk, they may be strong, but it wont get stronger as it gets madder. Same traits with everyone else. They may have the strength, but not be AS strong or AS fast.

Ord took out Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine, Emma Frost and Kitty Pryde in Ast. X-men #2.

Colossus took him out rather quickly with pretty nifty display of fighting skills and raw power.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandOrd.jpg

"The only Skrull that somewhat better than the original, is Super Skrull.

HE can stretch longer than Reed. Hes AS strong as Thing etc."

He should be more powerful then. He has all of the powers in one.

But what happens? He practically gets served anytime because while having the abilities they arent at the levels of the originals.

(Probable exception of first apearance).

That Hulk one obviously has super strenght. Its the level that matters. And the rage blah blah part.

Second. The durabilty seems already lower than Hulk shows. You honestly see the real deal being Ko by Colossus? In a non jobber mode.

"Colossus took him out rather quickly with pretty nify display of fighting skills and raw power."

Pretty cool. But not the same as beating Hulk, is it.

Im not arguing he is top tier, very low to me but still. And he does have skills and quite the agility...

saw that in walgreens. lol.collossess just got freed right? hes all mad and shit and keeps hitting ord saying. i......am....not made....of steel....ii....am....mad...of.....RAGE!And knocks him out

Originally posted by olympian
Same way Super Skrull even with the F4 abilities never looks as formidable as the original team.


True:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7346/namorfeat475ib.gif





Nifty moves:

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708285261.gif&s=x11

Raw Power:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815311057.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815340894.gif&s=x11

http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif

I still think it's a close fight. Namor could win the same as Colossus could win. It won't be a curbstomp either way.

This pic is in a foreign language but it shows Colossus knocking down Classic Juggy. That didn't happen very much back in the day.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
True:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7346/namorfeat475ib.gif





Nifty moves:

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708285261.gif&s=x11

Raw Power:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815311057.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815340894.gif&s=x11

http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif I am not denying Namors abilities. That would be foolish.

Namor is stronger, lot more faster, lot more skilled, and lot more experienced then Colossus.

Namor 7/10. Not an curbstomp, but Namor would get the win.

"It won't be a curbstomp either way."

With that i quite agree, Snoop.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is stronger, lot more faster, lot more skilled, and lot more experienced then Colossus.

Namor 7/10. Not an curbstomp, but Namor would get the win. Faster? Colossus has enhanced speed in his steel form also. Namor may be stronger. But I do not think it's that much of a difference. Plus Colossus does not get tired cause does not need to breath. Namor has to rejuvanate himself to stay on the higher tier.

Faster:

Speed Feats

Defeats Hulk the first time. (Showing underwater speed)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

During a fight against mind-controlled Hulk, Namor creates a massive tidal wave that wipes out an entire island and knocks out Hulk on the same time. (Swimming speed)
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif

Dodges an Mach speed attack.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3664/namorfeat31lb.gif

Defeats Sunfire, showing amazing mobility in air.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif

Namor drills through tons of hard sea rock by spinning his body at tremendous speeds.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6544/namorfeat302xn.gif

Namor speedblitzes a monster who Plant Man has created while carrying Triton in his hand.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif

Swims at speeds "Beyond belief", and makes a whirpool that takes the metallic cylinders out from sea.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif

Namor grabs two missiles coming at Mach speeds at him.
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif

Namor takes out an object to space with Capt. Marvel.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5779/namorfeat518ez.gif

Dodges an torpedo with ease, and destroys the ship the torpedo was launched from.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1045/namorfeat671oy.gif

Namor creates an large whirlpool by swimming very fast.
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat795ut.gif
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat808ne.gif

Dude most of those feats are in the water. That's the source of his power.

He also grabbed missiles from air and dodged mach speed attack.

Also:


http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/3...5.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/3...1.jpg&s=x11

http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?...orfeat816ym.gif

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8922/namorspeedfeat27uj.gif
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5393642

http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor48hw.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor55gs.gif

Are you implying that Namor runs and fights at mach speeds?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you implying that Namor runs and fights at mach speeds?

Don't also forget that his limbs move fast enough to propel him with Mach 8 (and more) speeds through the sea.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's swimming speed is WAY wrong in the handbooks. In these pictures, he is swimming 15000 feet in few seconds. That would put his speed in somewhere between 9000-12000 feet in second. Simply put, he can swim with speeds between Mach 8-10. Maybe more, since he is not clearly pushing himself:

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif

So, Namor can swim...about 126 times faster then the handbook states.

Really shows how they research things...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you implying that Namor runs and fights at mach speeds?

He hardly runs. And no he doesnt fight at mach speeds. However he does have super reflexes, and can react at mach speeds.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He hardly runs. And no he doesnt fight at mach speeds. However he does have super reflexes, and can react at mach speeds. I'll buy that.

Colossus has some leaping skills also. In Ast. X-men #9 he jumped straight up and right through a steel ceiling of the Danger room.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusleapin.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus has some leaping skills also. In Ast. X-men #9 he jumped straight up and right through a steel ceiling of the Danger room.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusleapin.jpg

Yeah, but meteors move with quite high speeds and Namor was able to leap on and off them.

Colossus fought the origianal Sasquatch and stalemated him Heck when the fight was stopped he was just starting to get rollin. The original Sasquatch fought Savage Hulk to a standstill.

Oh yea Colossus is alot stronger now then when he was when he fought most of the top tier heavyweights in Marvel.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus fought the origianal Sasquatch and stalemated him Heck when the fight was stopped he was just starting to get rollin. The original Sasquatch fought Savage Hulk to a standstill.

Oh yea Colossus is alot stronger now then when he was when he fought most of the top tier heavyweights in Marvel.

Here is a pic displaying Colossus' awesome durability. He took a dead on shot from a Sentinel with no effects at all.

Notice Wolverine had to hide behind him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He Knocked out a Skrull Hulk one time. And they are supposed to have the duplicate powers of their hosts.




The THING thrashed a skrull Colossus in about two hits what does that mean...?


The difference is the skrull HULK doesn't increase his strength with his rage which is what makes the HULK the HULK...


Namor wins 7/10

Awwww....snoopdogg you shouldn't have mentioned Sasquatch. In that fight Sasquatch was dominating him, he even took his best shots and was uneffected. All Colossus did was the judo toss in the end, which didn't hurt Sasquatch since the next page he is standing once again.

1)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg07.jpg

2)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg

3)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg

4)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg

5)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying who wins the Namor vs. Colossus fight, all I'm saying is Colossus really didn't stalemate him. Colossus is indeed being underestimated here though.

How come no one replys in the AF respect thread?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here is a pic displaying Colossus' awesome durability. He took a dead on shot from a Sentinel with no effects at all.

Notice Wolverine had to hide behind him.

Heres a couple of pics showing Namors cool durability.

From falling from space, he got back up with only clothes damaged, and flew away like nothing happened.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7821/namorfeat889cy7ne.th.gif


He also took a hit to the head from Mjolnir. A sneak attack at that, yet still wasnt knocked out.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/34/namorfeat367wt6di.th.gif

Originally posted by jrodslam
Heres a couple of pics showing Namors cool durability.

From falling from space, he got back up with only clothes damaged, and flew away like nothing happened.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7821/namorfeat889cy7ne.th.gif


He also took a hit to the head from Mjolnir. A sneak attack at that, yet still wasnt knocked out.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/34/namorfeat367wt6di.th.gif If Namor can fly why did he hit the ground in the first place? Don't make much sense.

Namor is indeed uber durable. I think Colossus edges him there though.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
The THING thrashed a skrull Colossus in about two hits what does that mean...?


The difference is the skrull HULK doesn't increase his strength with his rage which is what makes the HULK the HULK...


Namor wins 7/10 Thing was also surprized that he took so long to beat the Skrull Colossus. He said something like "that blow should have knocked him out".

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Awwww....snoopdogg you shouldn't have mentioned Sasquatch. In that fight Sasquatch was dominating him, he even took his best shots and was uneffected. All Colossus did was the judo toss in the end, which didn't hurt Sasquatch since the next page he is standing once again.

1)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg07.jpg

2)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg

3)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg

4)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg

5)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying who wins the Namor vs. Colossus fight, all I'm saying is Colossus really didn't stalemate him. Colossus is indeed being underestimated here though.

How come no one replys in the AF respect thread? King Sasquatches blows obviously did't affect Colossus very much either. Sasquatch even said "lets see if you can take as good as you give".

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Namor can fly why did he hit the ground in the first place? Don't make much sense.

Namor is indeed uber durable. I think Colossus edges him there though.

When do comics ever make sense? Supes knocked Wonder Woman from the Sun to Earth. I guess with all the pressures, they arent able to stop themselves? Who knows.

Namor wins.

Stronger and has more experience.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
King Sasquatches blows obviously did't affect Colossus very much either. Sasquatch even said "lets see if you can take as good as you give".

Well consider he was toying with him such as putting his hand on his head like when people do to kids, getting Colossus swinging wildly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg

Even when Colossus hit him with his best shot he didn't budge and with one hit, Colossus was going down. Sasquatch gave and Colossus went down...not out might you, due to his great durability.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg

Sasquatch was toying with him even lifting him up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well consider he was toying with him such as putting his hand on his head like when people do to kids, getting Colossus swinging wildly What happened after that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg
Originally posted by King_Mungi

Even when Colossus hit him with his best shot he didn't budge and with one hit, Colossus was going down. Sasquatch gave and Colossus went down...not out might you, due to his great durability.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg How do you know that was his best hit?
Originally posted by King_Mungi

Sasquatch was toying with him even lifting him up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg But in the end they both were left standing. That's why I said stalemate.

Colossus has fought some giant monters in his day. He was only class 70 in these pics. The second pic he even survives a huge explosion that leaves a crater a half mile in diameter.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss.jpg


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss2.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Namor can fly why did he hit the ground in the first place? Don't make much sense.



Heroes reborn aftermath. Remeber, the ship exploded in space and all flew back to earth/fell to it.

Fantastic Four survived, but Sue Storm had to make an bubble to get them down to earth. And even then, after an impact they went uncouncious.

Namor didn't get a scratch. Even when he was in flames.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What happened after that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg

How do you know that was his best hit?

But in the end they both were left standing. That's why I said stalemate.

The judo toss, which Sas replies "whoops" like it wasn't a big deal and he gets right back up afterwards.

Well really back in this time C-man was in the 70+ tons range, while Sasquatch has been shown to lift 250 tons and 5000 ton destroyer ship. Even if it was Colossus's best hit, which is most likely was since Colossus was the one who started the battle in the first place. I doubt it would have done much damage to Classic Sas.

You were implying it was a even battle, no desrespect to him but he was getting dominated.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The judo toss, which Sas replies "whoops" like it wasn't a big deal and he gets right back up afterwards.

Well really back in this time C-man was in the 70+ tons range, while Sasquatch has been shown to lift 250 tons and 5000 ton destroyer ship. Even if it was Colossus's best hit, which is most likely was since Colossus was the one who started the battle in the first place. I doubt it would have done much damage to Classic Sas.

You were implying it was a even battle, no desrespect to him but he was getting dominated. Just because Walter was talking trash you think he dominated the fight. Colossus was still standing the same as Walter was. Walter said "woops" cause he underestimated Colossus' fighting ability.

Nobody won the fight. Colossus took Walters shots the same as Walter took Colossus'.

Why don't you let Forge make Colossus a jet pack then let them fight lol

Originally posted by golem370
Why don't you let Forge make Colossus a jet pack then let them fight lol Cause then it wouldn't be Colossus under his own power.

Colossus is even resistant to Rogues' absorption power.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandRogue.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Cause then it wouldn't be Colossus under his own power.

Colossus is even resistant to Rogues' absorption power.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandRogue.jpg

Pimpin.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Pimpin. Colossus' pimp skills rival Namors

I've just realized that Namor's limbs move really fast...



He can easily swim at Mach 8...so his hands can move with speed of Mach 16...

That's five and a half miles...per second.

Colossus doesn't see what hit him...literally.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus' pimp skills rival Namors

Oh please.

http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namor492ng.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I've just realized that Namor's limbs move really fast...



He can easily swim at Mach 8...so his hands can move with speed of Mach 16...

That's five and a half miles...per second.

Colossus doesn't see what hit him...literally.

its impossible for an object to achieve Mach 1 in water.....

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I've just realized that Namor's limbs move really fast...



He can easily swim at Mach 8...so his hands can move with speed of Mach 16...

That's five and a half miles...per second.

Colossus doesn't see what hit him...literally. Once again Namor is in the water. That is where he is at his best.

Namor does not fight at mach speeds. Unless you can prove it ofcourse.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus' pimp skills rival Namors



Ohh how wrong you are my friend.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Once again Namor is in the water. That is where he is at his best.

Namor does not fight at mach speeds. Unless you can prove it ofcourse.
Being able to swim with Mach 8 translates to moving your hands with twice of that speed. It doesn't matter if he is on land or not...

Originally posted by Ultimate Rage
its impossible for an object to achieve Mach 1 in water.....

Tell that to Namor:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's swimming speed is WAY wrong in the handbooks. In these pictures, he is swimming 15000 feet in few seconds. That would put his speed in somewhere between 9000-12000 feet in second. Simply put, he can swim with speeds between Mach 8-10. Maybe more, since he is not clearly pushing himself:

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif

So, Namor can swim...about 126 times faster then the handbook states.

Really shows how they research things...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Being able to swim with Mach 8 translates to moving your hands with twice of that speed. It doesn't matter if he is on land or not... That's like Superman fighting Superman right next to the Sun.

Originally posted by jrodslam


Ohh how wrong you are my friend. I said rivals. I didn't say surpasses. Namor has the luxury of being a prince. Colossus has to work for his ladies.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I said rivals. I didn't say surpasses. Namor has the luxury of being a prince. Colossus has to work for his ladies.

How many ladies has colossus had, 2?

Edit. I think 3.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's like Superman fighting Superman right next to the Sun.

I...don't really get what you are trying to say.

Here is Namor catching missiles with ease, anyway...that means also that is hands move with mach speeds:
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I...don't really get what you are trying to say.

I see that now.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I see that now.

Well, can you explain me why he wouldn't be able to move his hands with the same speed on ground?

Instead of giving responses that don't accomplish anything?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just because Walter was talking trash you think he dominated the fight. Colossus was still standing the same as Walter was. Walter said "woops" cause he underestimated Colossus' fighting ability.

Nobody won the fight. Colossus took Walters shots the same as Walter took Colossus'.

He did dominate the fight, Colossus punches didn't even budge him. Sas lifted him up and did the head hand child trick. How is that not dominating him? I'm not even factoring in Walter's trash talk, I'm talking about the actual fight. Which makes sense, because the entire fight he was toying with him, so the judo toss would suprize him.

The two shots Walter hit colossus right from the start took him off the ground and after taking Colossus's hit. Walter hits him, which sends him straight to the ground. Correct, no one won the fight, but it really wasn't a good showing for Colossus.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, can you explain me why he wouldn't be able to move his hands with the same speed on ground?

Instead of giving responses that don't accomplish anything? Fighting Namor in the water or showing scans of his speed in the water are like showing scans of sundipped Supes. The water is the source of Namors power cause without it he dies.

You understand now.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He did dominate the fight, Colossus punches didn't even budge him. Sas lifted him up and did the head hand child trick. How is that not dominating him? I'm not even factoring in Walter's trash talk, I'm talking about the actual fight. Which makes sense, because the entire fight he was toying with him, so the judo toss would suprize him.

The two shots Walter hit colossus right from the start took him off the ground and after taking Colossus's hit. Walter hits him, which sends him straight to the ground. Correct, no one won the fight, but it really wasn't a good showing for Colossus. King Sasquatches blows did not effect Colossus.

Did he looked hurt or staggered? You said Sasquatch got right back up after the judo throw unharmed. Which he did. Colossus got right back up after Sasquatches hit unharmed also. He was just a punk kid at the time anyways.

Cyclops told him to change his game plan and once he did that the fight changed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Fighting Namor in the water or showing scans of his speed in the water are like showing scans of sundipped Supes. The water is the source of Namors power cause without it he dies.

You understand now.

Given.

However Namor on land is still quite faster and stronger than Colossus. Although he usually slugs it out when it comes to the likes of Hulk, Thing, etc, he still has advantages. Granted how Namor fights Thing on land and usually have the advantage. Im not completely saying that the results would be the same, but considering Thing is as strong as Colossus, and has better fighting ability, it can be a natural statement to say that Namor would always have an advantage over him just as he does with Thing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
King Sasquatches blows did not effect Colossus.

Did he looked hurt or staggered? You said Sasquatch got right back up after the judo throw unharmed. Which he did. Colossus got right back up after Sasquatches hit unharmed also. He was just a punk kid at the time anyways.

Cyclops told him to change his game plan and once he did that the fight changed.

No, they didn't. Due to Walter was toying with him the entire time and not taking it serious. This was Walter's first apperance and his transformations still hurt him and he himself was inexperienced being Sasquatch.

He can judo toss Sasquatch all day and it sill wouldn't beat him. It still was not a good showing for Colossus.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Fighting Namor in the water or showing scans of his speed in the water are like showing scans of sundipped Supes. The water is the source of Namors power cause without it he dies.

You understand now.

And...I assume that Namor in this fight is straight from water...his natural form. He is as fast in land as he is on water in terms of hand movement speed.

Superman on the sun is not natural Supes. Namor in water is natural Namor. That's where he was born...Namor on land is actually the unnatural form.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, they didn't. Due to Walter was toying with him the entire time and not taking it serious. This was Walter's first apperance and his transformations still hurt him and he himself was inexperienced being Sasquatch.

He can judo toss Sasquatch all day and it sill wouldn't beat him. It still was not a good showing for Colossus. Walter is only weakened when he first transforms. He was transformed for a good time when the fight occured. So it's not likely he was weakened. Sasquatch threw the first punch with a cheap shot anyways.

The pic was supposed to show Colossus' fighting ability. I never once said he beat Walter. Did I?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandWolverineXM24.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandWolverineXM242.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And...I assume that Namor in this fight is straight from water...his natural form. He is as fast in land as he is on water in terms of hand movement speed.

Superman on the sun is not natural Supes. Namor in water is natural Namor. That's where he was born...Namor on land is actually the unnatural form. Yea but the Sun is where Superman is the strongest and water is where Namor is strongest.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea but the Sun is where Superman is the strongest and water is where Namor is strongest.

It's still Namor's natural habitats, and you can't say that he is "enhanced" in some way when showing sea feats.

All feats that Namor does on land are in fact weakened Namor doing those feats. It's like saying that Hulk's feats are not valid because he is angry in them...

And it doesn't change the fact that he is able to move his hands as fast or near as fast on land.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's still Namor's natural habitats, and you can't say that he is "enhanced" in some way when showing sea feats.

All feats that Namor does on land are in fact weakened Namor doing those feats. It's like saying that Hulk's feats are not valid because he is angry in them...

And it doesn't change the fact that he is able to move his hands as fast or near as fast on land. Namor can survive on land just the same as he can in water. All he needs to do is carry a squirt gun with him and he has no problems.

Namor is at his strongest when in contact with water. Superman is at his strongest when he is closest to the Sun.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor can survive on land just the same as he can in water. All he needs to do is carry a squirt gun with him and he has no problems.

Namor is at his strongest when in contact with water. Superman is at his strongest when he is closest to the Sun.

Yes, but as he doesn't have squirt gun with him, all feats done by Namor in land are not natural Namor which is: weakened Namor. Namor in sea is real Namor. It doesn't matter if he is strongest there.

My jaw drops at the staggering level of fanboyism that's been allowed to crop up around Colossus here.

The guy is like a snail to Namor. He couldn't move fast enough to hit him once. Namor could punch the guy ten times in his face before Colossus completes one swing. Colossus is too used to relying on his invulnerability. When was the last time he had to get out of something's way? Up against an opponent who can match him in strength and toughness, and more than outdo him in speed, Colossus is outclassed.

Originally posted by Piedmon
My jaw drops at the staggering level of fanboyism that's been allowed to crop up around Colossus here.

The guy is like a snail to Namor. He couldn't move fast enough to hit him once. Namor could punch the guy ten times in his face before Colossus completes one swing. Colossus is too used to relying on his invulnerability. When was the last time he had to get out of something's way? Up against an opponent who can match him in strength and toughness, and more than outdo him in speed, Colossus is outclassed.

Well in Colossus's defence, Namor rarely uses his speed when fighting another powerhouse. He slugs it out with the rest of them. Does pretty well at that. Imagine if he did use the speed all the time.

Originally posted by Piedmon
My jaw drops at the staggering level of fanboyism that's been allowed to crop up around Colossus here.

Just because I show some scans of things Colossus has done you call me a fanboy?

I think your just mad at the scans I just posted of Colossus beatin Wolverine again.

Originally posted by Piedmon


The guy is like a snail to Namor. He couldn't move fast enough to hit him once. Namor could punch the guy ten times in his face before Colossus completes one swing. Colossus is too used to relying on his invulnerability. When was the last time he had to get out of something's way? Up against an opponent who can match him in strength and toughness, and more than outdo him in speed, Colossus is outclassed.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Darkcrawler are you a fanboy? You must be if you think Colossus is a snail next to Namor.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Given.

However Namor on land is still quite faster and stronger than Colossus. Although he usually slugs it out when it comes to the likes of Hulk, Thing, etc, he still has advantages. Granted how Namor fights Thing on land and usually have the advantage. Im not completely saying that the results would be the same, but considering Thing is as strong as Colossus, and has better fighting ability, it can be a natural statement to say that Namor would always have an advantage over him just as he does with Thing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Darkcrawler are you a fanboy? You must be if you think Colossus is a snail next to Namor.

Umm...but he is...hello, Namor is fast enough to operate on MAJOR Mach speeds...able to grab missiles...able to complete with WWII airplanes...able to punch dozen times in a moment.

Maybe a snail is exaggeration, but Colossus's speed is nothing compared to Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Umm...but he is...hello, Namor is fast enough to operate on MAJOR Mach speeds...able to grab missiles...able to complete with WWII airplanes...able to punch dozen times in a moment.

Maybe a snail is exaggeration, but Colossus's speed is nothing compared to Namor.

If that was the case, people like Cap wouldn't be able to get close to him !

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Walter is only weakened when he first transforms. He was transformed for a good time when the fight occured. So it's not likely he was weakened. Sasquatch threw the first punch with a cheap shot anyways.

The pic was supposed to show Colossus' fighting ability. I never once said he beat Walter. Did I?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandWolverineXM24.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandWolverineXM242.jpg

Actually Sasquatch at first was in great pain when he first transformed and could only reach a point in meditation to bring himself back or to the form of Sasquatch. Well considering he has lifted 5000 tons and 250 tons and Colossus at the time could only lift 70....He would have to be pretty damn weakened. Well that can be explained with him not taking this fight serious. Cheap shot? I know you like Colossus, but cheap shot? good lord. How is it a cheap shot when Colossus starts the fight and he was ready for a fight and Sasquatch walks over and hits him face to face. I like you man, but now your just grasping at straws. If he hit him from behind or when his guard was down, fine that's understanable. However, he was ready and then Sas follows up with another hit on the bottom panel.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg07.jpg

No you implied he fought him on a even playing field, when Sasquatch outpowered him. Also what do those scans prove? Sas has beaten Wolverine twice? No way was I saying Colossus's skills are poor, I even said in the previus page he is being underestimated.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
If that was the case, people like Cap wouldn't be able to get close to him !

Only when Namor lets them:

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Also what do those scans prove? Sas has beaten Wolverine twice? No way was I saying Colossus's skills are poor, I even said in the previus page he is being underestimated. The scans were meant to show another feat of Colossus. But if you want to play that way I can do that.

The two times you say Sasquatch beat Wolverine.

1. The first time Sasquatch ambushed him.
2. The second time he hit him when he wasn't looking.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
. Cheap shot? I know you like Colossus, but cheap shot? good lord. How is it a cheap shot when Colossus starts the fight and he was ready for a fight and Sasquatch walks over and hits him face to face. I like you man, but now your just grasping at straws. If he hit him from behind or when his guard was down, fine that's understanable. However, he was ready and then Sas follows up with another hit on the bottom panel.


I still think it was a cheap shot. Post the scan of the page before the fight started. You can clearly see Colossus had his sights set on Northstar and not Sasquatch.

Here is a pick of how the fight vs. Wolverine started. I hate Wolverine King but you forced me into it.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The scans were meant to show another feat of Colossus. But if you want to play that way I can do that.

The two times you say Sasquatch beat Wolverine.

1. The first time Sasquatch ambushed him.
2. The second time he hit him when he wasn't looking.

Ok first off hiting Wolverine from behind with his senses is a feat onto itself also the second fight Wolverine knew where he was and knew he was coming. It was the previous page I didn't bother uploading.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I still think it was a cheap shot. Post the scan of the page before the fight started. You can clearly see Colossus had his sights set on Northstar and not Sasquatch.

He was watching Northstar and then he stomped his foot, because he thought he was about to do something. Now Northstar was right in front of Sasquatch so it wasn't like he attacked him from the side he attacked him head on. Also it's sort of hard not to notice a 10 foot 1 ton Sasquatch charging straight at you.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here is a pick of how the fight vs. Wolverine started. I hate Wolverine King but you forced me into it.

Previous page, Wolverine states he knew where Sas was, but could not pin point Puck. If need be I will scan the page, but trust me he did know where Sas was.

Honestly what does this have to do with Colossus battling Sasquatch?

Originally posted by King_Mungi



Previous page, Wolverine states he knew where Sas was, but could not pin point Puck. If need be I will scan the page, but trust me he did know where Sas was. He may have known that Walter there but he didn't know he was gonna punch him in the back of the head.
Originally posted by King_Mungi

Honestly what does this have to do with Colossus battling Sasquatch? I posted two pics of Colossus almost killing Wolverine and you said Sasquatch beat him twice. But both times were ambushes.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He may have known that Walter there but he didn't know he was gonna punch him in the back of the head.

I posted two pics of Colossus almost killing Wolverine and you said Sasquatch beat him twice. But both times were ambushes.

Don't matter much, face to face Sasquatch would still beat him. Against Colossus it wasn't even close to be a cheap shot.

Exiles Sasquatch has killed Wolverine's from various realtities, and why would Sasquatch want to even kill Wolverine? First time was just to bring him back to Canada and the second, he damn well could have if it wasn't for Shaman's grub. Also how was Colossus killing him when he caught him in the air with a punch? and in the next page Wolverine is fine and dandy. Wolverine has taken more damage from the Hulk and still didn't die. To me that scene doesn't make much sense, but I'm not touching it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Also how was Colossus killing him when he caught him in the air with a punch? and in the next page Wolverine is fine and dandy. Wolverine has taken more damage from the Hulk and still didn't die. To me that scene doesn't make much sense, but I'm not touching it.

He had Wolverine by the throat choking him. Cyclops told him to stop then Colossus tosses Wolverine.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He had Wolverine by the throat choking him. Cyclops told him to stop then Colossus tosses Wolverine.

That makes more sense, but there have been others who have done the same stunt for longer periods of time and it still didn't kill him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Given.

However Namor on land is still quite faster and stronger than Colossus. Although he usually slugs it out when it comes to the likes of Hulk, Thing, etc, he still has advantages. Granted how Namor fights Thing on land and usually have the advantage. Im not completely saying that the results would be the same, but considering Thing is as strong as Colossus, and has better fighting ability, it can be a natural statement to say that Namor would always have an advantage over him just as he does with Thing.








Here we go again...

It's funny...I have never seen Thing beat Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's funny...I have never seen Thing beat Namor.

Same here.

Have you, Tony Stark?

Funny how it goes back to Thing/Namor. That was my inspiration for the fight from the start.

Oh and Tony Stark they will show you things you don't want to see.

Colossus did NOT almost kill Wolverine. He caught him by the neck and that's it. Oh yeah he threw him... that's almost the same as killing him I can just as easily say Wolverine was about to kill Colossus with his right hand, the claws were extended.

If you are going by what Cyclops SAYS, then both of these things must be true.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/trollic/colossus.jpg

I would say Cyclops was wrong on both counts here.

Namor would beat Colossus with relative ease. He has battled much tougher opponents such as the Hulk and had good showings. In the scans of the fight between them, it's clear that Colossus is getting punked by Sasquatch. Collossus hits Sas to the gut... he doesn't move. Sas hits him right back and he goes down. He's too small and weak for Sasquatch.

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine scans. He cheapshotted him and them stepped on him before he could recover. I'm not saying Sas wouldn't win that fight or that he would, just saying it was def a cheap shot.

Originally posted by scotsmn


Namor would beat Colossus with relative ease. He has battled much tougher opponents such as the Hulk and had good showings. In the scans of the fight between them, it's clear that Colossus is getting punked by Sasquatch. Collossus hits Sas to the gut... he doesn't move. Sas hits him right back and he goes down. He's too small and weak for Sasquatch.

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine scans. He cheapshotted him and them stepped on him before he could recover. I'm not saying Sas wouldn't win that fight or that he would, just saying it was def a cheap shot.

In Colossus's defence here, he wasn't as strong as he is now.

No arguement here, first fight was a cheap shot. The second with Shaman's grub, Wolverine knew he was coming. He just couldn't track Puck, who later hits him in the balls.....bwahaha yeah dwarfs

id be a rough battle but i think since Namor can fly he'd be able to punch Colossus down to earth from the atmosphere. After a lengthened battle dropping him on his head from 40 miles up would take its effect.

Well Colossus has pretty much no chance in the water. Not needing to breath will help him. On land I see him winning a few.

I can't believe this is even still being discussed.
Namor would Kill Peter after about five minuets.
Peter is decent for at least five.. But Namor is the Sub-Mariner.
Much quicker, smarter, and has way more fighting skills then the average Mutie.
Heck.. Better than an above average Mutie. If anything Namor, being the arrogant jerk we all know and love, would simply toy with Peter.. then finish him. Cat and mouse fight.. I'm afraid.

I know that Namor can move really fast in the water, but where is all this about him being super fast on land?

okay people, how about the fact the Colossus went toe to toe with the Champion of the Universe, and was the only hero, besides the Thing, to last a round? This was before Petey was fully matured, meaning his powers have grown in time. Namor also suffers from something Colossus doesn't have, arrogance and overconfidence. The fight goes like this...the two battle to a stalemate when Namor, summons all his strength in a devasting blow, knocking Peter off a cliff and into the watery depths...Namor, fearing his blow has caused too grave damage, follows the boy into the water. But Namor gets to close, because he doesn't check to see that Peter is still in armored form. With a quick grab of the neck(see what Peter does to Riptide, moving much faster than Namor can in Mutant Masacre), Peter snaps the good Princes neck and let's him fall to the ocean floor

Originally posted by Warmonger
I know that Namor can move really fast in the water, but where is all this about him being super fast on land?

No pressure on land.

Think about it, he can move his limbs fast on place where the pressure is hundreds of times harder then land. Imagine that you had to move your hands, only that there would be etc. five thousand tons above you. Every time you moved your hands you would have to overcome it.

That is why Namor is faster on land...and why we are slower on water.

Originally posted by animalman
okay people, how about the fact the Colossus went toe to toe with the Champion of the Universe, and was the only hero, besides the Thing, to last a round? This was before Petey was fully matured, meaning his powers have grown in time.

So heavyweights like Thor and Hulk were fighting Champion too? Was Namor fighting Champion?

Did Colossus defeat Champion? If not, how well he fared? Originally posted by animalman
Namor also suffers from something Colossus doesn't have, arrogance and overconfidence.

True, but no CIS on forum fights...and Namor is not as arrogant and overconfident as he was before, on his younger days. He is almost a hundred years old, he has learned something over the years. You should not underestimate your opponent.

Originally posted by animalman
The fight goes like this...the two battle to a stalemate when Namor, summons all his strength in a devasting blow, knocking Peter off a cliff and into the watery depths...Namor, fearing his blow has caused too grave damage, follows the boy into the water. But Namor gets to close, because he doesn't check to see that Peter is still in armored form. With a quick grab of the neck(see what Peter does to Riptide, moving much faster than Namor can in Mutant Masacre), Peter snaps the good Princes neck and let's him fall to the ocean floor

How fast can Riptide move?

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/colossus14.jpg

Doesn't look that fast on there. All Colossus has to do is to extend his hand. If he would try to do the same to Namor, he could easily grab his hand and throw him somewhere...or just dodget the hand. Especially when he is still faster then Colossus...especially on water where Colossus is not as fast as he can be on land.

Namor has better chance to snap Colossus's neck then vice versa...

hmm...saying colossus is faster than Namor is utter nonsense. Namor wins, but its not the ass kicking that some describe.

Your talking like Colossus wouldn't even be able to hit Namor because Namor's too fast for him. Hulk was able to land lots of blows and the Hulk is about the same speed as Colossus.

The fights would not really be interesting if Namor danced circles around Hulk.

But Namor usually tends to dodge Hulk a lot more then Hulk dodges Namor.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8922/namorspeedfeat27uj.gif

Originally posted by Washco
Your talking like Colossus wouldn't even be able to hit Namor because Namor's too fast for him. Hulk was able to land lots of blows and the Hulk is about the same speed as Colossus.

Sorry man...u keep striking out. Hulk's feats of speed might be second to Namor's. Hulk does things like chase down ICBMs...Colossus is basically the same speed as any athletic human. Consider the battle between mindless Hulk and the Avengers, he was moving too fast for Ironman, Namor, and Wonderman's reflexes to keep up. Of course Colossus would "be able to hit him" otherwise there wouldnt even be a fight cuz Namor would just put him in orbit.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler


Namor has better chance to snap Colossus's neck then vice versa... That is not gonna happen. Namor may win but he will not snap his kneck. That is ludadcris.

Colossus almost snapped Sinisters kneck. He would have if Mikhail hadn't intervened.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSinister.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That is not gonna happen. Namor may win but he will not snap his kneck. That is ludadcris.

Colossus almost snapped Sinisters kneck. He would have if Mikhail hadn't intervened.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSinister.jpg

Is Colossus's neck somehow unsnappable?

And what has Sinister to do with this? He is not more durable then Namor for my information.

He's not...and I dont know what that had to do with anything either.

Well Sinister does have level 6 durability. I just posted the pic to educate some of the fans who don't read X-men comics. And you two seem to be on that list.

All I am saying is if Thing can give Namor a fight so does Colossus. Colossus is faster, more durable, and stronger than Thing is. For all I know Thing held up but in the end got his @ss handed to him by Namor everytime.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How many ladies has colossus had, 2?

Edit. I think 3. I don't know the exact number but Colossus does alright with the ladies.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuspimpin.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well Sinister does have level 6 durability. I just posted the pic to educate some of the fans who don't read X-men comics. And you two seem to be on that list.

He has level 6 because of is healing factor and the fact that he can return from death.

I read LOT of X-Men. Even the Colossus Bloodline series, where that picture is from...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
All I am saying is if Thing can give Namor a fight so does Colossus. Colossus is faster, more durable, and stronger than Thing is. For all I know Thing held up but in the end got his @ss handed to him by Namor everytime.

But Thing is a lot better fighter, and usually Namor doesn't want to kill him, or anybody else of the Fantastic Four because of Sue. Sometimes they have misunderstood and Namor tries to talk sense to him or vice versa. Or sometimes Namor grows bored of fighting and tosses him into something, knocking him out.

Thing/Namor fights are hard to decipher. Although when Namor goes all out, he knocks aside the entire FF, including Thing.

But with Colossus...Namor is stronger, more experienced, better fighter, faster, and probably more durable.

Santa Namor wins

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He has level 6 because of is healing factor and the fact that he can return from death. Level 4 is healing factor. Guys like Wolverine and Sasquatch have level 4.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler




But with Colossus...Namor is stronger, more experienced, better fighter, faster, and probably more durable. Namor may have more experience but that may be it. His strength advantage is small even if he has one at all. Speed on land is even unless you have a scan that proves otherwise. They are both level 3 in speed.

Then there is durabilty. I still think Colossus has Namor on that one. jrod just showed a scan of Namor gettin sliced up by Wolverine. Wolverine slashed Colossus twice and failed to cut him.