Relegion, A Hoax?

I don't see how people still belive in Relegion, that is with all the inconsistancies. Not every relegion can be right, and most likely, they are all wrong. Throughout history, relegious figures have been thought of very highly. This was probably the origional intent of relegion, to gain personal power and explain the unexplainable to the unruly masses. Religions have been made and then the next one comes along and says you are wrong, and we are right... then another religion comes around.

Background Information on religion for me: I never learned much about relegion, but it is important to me that people keep reigion, so I am sort of a hippocrit. If someone were to disprove God(s), then everyone would have no limits and fear no eternal damnation. There is no way to prove or disprove God(s), so I am unsure about it. Whether there is a god, many gods, whether we are gods, whether or not it knows or even cares about us, is so unsure to me that it is tough for me to take it. People say they know god is there, and I say they have no faith. It can't be proven, but since they are sure, they have no faith, because they know it is there, instaed of just beliving. I think God is sort of an imaginary friend for the Human race.

P.S. I am in keyboarding class and at my home computer, I can't log in, so I most likely will just be able to post when I have spare time in class, but I will read it at home. I would love to hear what everyone has to say, and thanks for your opinions.

punk

Sounds like your confused...LOL.....I do believe that what we would call god is more than any one book can hold........It's grand and is not judgemental, it evolves, and we are part of it.

Okay, those are your beleifs, but what I'm saying is that if you belive that, and Bhuddists beleive another thing, and Christians something different... if God is there, how come everyone has made up different origions for it and foe people and plants and so on. There is not even one definite in every relegion, how can they be right.

They are all different and it makes no common sense for there to be a God(s). There are scienctific facts that prove wrong many different aspects of certain relegions. If they are all so different, including what you belive, then how can we be sure that any are right. We can't. They are probably all wrong.

There are several different types of religion in the world. They are all similar enough to come together in the category called religion, but they are also different enough that be divided into sub-categories. These categories are not all mutually exclusive. This means that it is not the case that a religion must be a part of one and thus cannot be a part of any of the others. It isn' t unusual for a religion to be a part of two or even more groupings.

This desire to find meaning is probably a principle explanation for the perpetuation of religion in modern society.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Okay, those are your beleifs, but what I'm saying is that if you belive that, and Bhuddists beleive another thing, and Christians something different... if God is there, how come everyone has made up different origions for it and foe people and plants and so on. There is not even one definite in every relegion, how can they be right.

They are all different and it makes no common sense for there to be a God(s). There are scienctific facts that prove wrong many different aspects of certain relegions. If they are all so different, including what you belive, then how can we be sure that any are right. We can't. They are probably all wrong.

Well for one, Buddhists do not believe in God, or a sole creator of any kind for that matter, so it does not fall into the category in which monotheist religions, such as Judaism and Islam do. Christianity is more of a polytheist religion, compared to Judaism and Islam, with the whole Jesus being God thing, and the father than son, and the holy gost thing as well.

As for the rest - no religion is absolutely original - they all spun from one another, and then they were mixed with their pagan roots and believes - each religion is subject to the culture of people which practice it.

Truth, many same miracles, and stories, but different names depending on the regions they originated from and spun off..

Christianity, for example, is deeply in debt to older mythologies for a lot of its beliefs and ideas.

Storm

Christianity claims to be a faith based on real-space-time events, not mythology or wishful thinking. Without the belief in the resurrection, Christianity would have forever been silenced. Only, and only a resurrection would guarantee its survival. Even the Apostles themselves denied the notion that Jesus had risen. They simply didn't believe it, until they saw Jesus in person. Completely understandable. If someone came to you and stated that Albert Einstein rose from the dead, would you believe it? Of course not, but if you saw him in person you would. All scriptures relating to Jesus were written during the lifetime of the eye witnesses. Over 500 people saw Him and worshipped. And, in the end died for it. I wouldn't die over a lie! Read your Bible my friend, and study secular history. There are sources even outside the Bible that speak about the resurrection of Jesus. Other religions are based on the "feeling" that it is true, and or cutural based.

lil bitchiness

Christianity is not a polytheistic religion. It is a monotheistic religion. Christianity holds that God is triune, consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit coming from the same essence.

jollyjim311

All religions are not true. Very true. If a religion doesn't correlate with reality, head for the nearest exit! Some people tend to think that everything is subjective, and that truth is an illusion. I remind people of their false assumption simply by asking them to give me all the cash in their wallet. They always say no. Why I ask? All they have to do is believe that they still have the money in their wallet (ha ha ha)! But, they no better. The money would be gone. There are many objective truths to religion as well. You just have to study and sift through the facts. Your right, we can never prove anything absolute. With objective truth, you are looking for practical truth. If two holy books claim to have prophecy, and history proves one wrong or fraudulent, throw it away and move on to the other. It's that simple. Apathy my friend is not always the best solution. Seek knowledge! It will not fall into your lap.

Hello debbiejo, its good to see that you are still here. 🙂

Howdy ushomefree...glad to see you're back....But post Jesus era, the people who claimed to of seen him can be taken from sources to mean something different, since documents have been doctored......I don't deny that there could of been a Jesus, of course, but his followers have been portrayed by many different beliefs to mean many different things...I think his message, if he did exist and not meaning what the Roman Catholic church did to portray him as god, you would have to see that someone of his knowledge would have to be beyond a book....It's the message of Loving each other.....Mythologies were thrown in to bring in the Pagans at time went on...All for unification....A new empire.His divinity wasn't even agreed on until later councils....

And when you study and sift, youre bound to loose your religion...

Originally posted by ushomefree
Storm

Christianity claims to be a faith based on real-space-time events, not mythology or wishful thinking. Without the belief in the resurrection, Christianity would have forever been silenced. Only, and only a resurrection would guarantee its survival. Even the Apostles themselves denied the notion that Jesus had risen. They simply didn't believe it, until they saw Jesus in person. Completely understandable. If someone came to you and stated that Albert Einstein rose from the dead, would you believe it? Of course not, but if you saw him in person you would. All scriptures relating to Jesus were written during the lifetime of the eye witnesses. Over 500 people saw Him and worshipped. And, in the end died for it. I wouldn't die over a lie! Read your Bible my friend, and study secular history. There are sources even outside the Bible that speak about the resurrection of Jesus. Other religions are based on the "feeling" that it is true, and or cutural based.

Thousands of years before Jesus, there was another passion story told about a God man, born of a virgin mother, in a stable. He travels about with his followers, preaching and performing miracles, including turning water into wine. Eventually, he incurs the wrath of the religious authorities, who are appalled that he refers to himself as a god. He allows himself to be arrested and tried for blasphemy. He is found guilty and executed, only to rise from the grave three days later, where the women weeping at his tomb do not recognize him until he assumes his divine form, as the God Dionysus.

These coincidences so disturbed one early Christian church father, Justin Martyr, that he accused the devil of sending an imitator of Christ in advance.

Common to all of these 'mystery' religions (so called because one was required to be initiated or baptized into the faith to learn its doctrines), including early Christianity, are themes of rebirth, redemption, and the transmission of life-changing information. So many religions in those times shared similar themes with that usually the deities became melded together. Early depictions of Jesus show him holding the Lyre of Orpheus, or driving Apollo's chariot. A talisman bearing the crucified likeness of Osirus-Dionysus is inscribed Orpheus/Bacchus.

Very true, and Paul lived at a time when Mithra worship was very popular, and incorperated teachings into his beliefs also.........Jesus and Orsirus-Dionysus are too simular to discount and much older......A god man.

Yeah, and only Jesus is talked about today. Go figure.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Yeah, and only Jesus is talked about today. Go figure.

debbiejo

Biblical scripture has not been doctored (ha ha ha)! That is ridiculous. The Dead Sea scrolls verify that found about 50 years ago. Give me a break.

Originally posted by ushomefree
debbiejo

Biblical scripture has not been doctored (ha ha ha)! That is ridiculous. The Dead Sea scrolls verify that found about 50 years ago. Give me a break.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947-48. accidently by a Bedouin shepard searching a cave in the Qumran region near the Dead Sea, the scrolls have been hidden by the Essenes (a Jewish sect similar to the Pharisees and Sadducees) just prior to the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. It took almost 20 years to uncover all the scrolls and bring them together in one location.

The discorvery includes thousands of fragments and some complete scolls found in 11 caves. In total, about 800 scrolls have been identified, which include copies of every book of the Old Testament (except Esther), along with a number of other scrolls relevant to history and to the Essene community. Several scrolls exist in multiple copies. Many of the oldest scrolls (including the remarkably intact scroll of Isaiah) were written more than 200 years before Christ (long before the fulfillment of prophecies they contain about the coming Messiah).

In addition to the Dead Sea Scrolls, some of the most important biblical writings, of the thousands available, are the following:

Rylans Papyrus (A.D. 115 - A.D. 125), Bodmer Papyri (A.D. 150 - A.D. 200), Chester Beatty Papyri (A.D. 100 - A.D. 300), Codex Vaticanus (Early 300s) Codex Sinaiticus (Early 300s), and The Vulgate (A.D. 400).

Which other Gospels? Are you hinting to the Gospel of Thomas?

Yes, I know about the dead sea scrolls, and there were more than what is mentioned in the Bible....also, the only one that could be made legible was Isaiah....the others were fragments, copies of copies....the Vulgate is Latin and can't be considered since it was tampered with by the Roman Church....Many other writings were only interpretations of what they thought, not actually original writings....

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

There is no original writings...they are fragments...................

Originally posted by ushomefree
Which other Gospels? Are you hinting to the Gospel of Thomas?

Secret book according to John
Revelation of Adam
Reality of the Rulers' Perfect Intellect
First thought in Three Forms
Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit of Egyption Gospel
Zostranos
Three Tablets of Seth
Satorninos according to St. Irenaeus
Gnostics according to St. Irenaeus
Gnostics according to Porphyry
The Sethians according to Epiphanius
The Archontics
Valentinus
Adam's faculity of Speech
The Gospel of Truth
Ptolemy's Version
A prayer of Paul the Apostle
]The Gospel According to Philip
Book of Thomas
Writings of Basilides
Fragments of Lost works
The State of Virtue
The Elect Transcend of World
The Hermetic Corpus
Other writings by Paul
James, Jesus' Brother