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Spider-Man shoots some kind of never-seen-before stinger out of his wrist at the most unexpected time and consumes Morlun. That's right Morlun is dead. Spider-man dies right after he did.

The Avengers take Spider Man's body.

Of course he'll be back, he has three on-going series for crying out loud. But how? And what will he be like?


The comic is getting a bit bloody!

Spiderman consumes Morlun?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I have had a couple Spidey-theories over in the vs. forum so I thought I'd share them here...
Please note, these aren't spoilers...just my own (hopefully semi-educated) guesses.

1. Parker will find a way to absorb Morlun's energy and power, thus getting a sizable power upgrade.

...just random bullsh*t. But if it happens, I want people to know I thought of it....hehe.

I got one thing to say....

Booya!!!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I got one thing to say....

Booya!!!

good job..........

Yeah, i saw scans of the event. Spidey was really chowing down.

Just a question...

I keep hearing mentions of Ben Reilly when The Other comes up. Is he supposed to be making a comeback, or has it nothing to do with him at all?

Pretty violent for a book called Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man...

Originally posted by The Ion
Pretty violent for a book called Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man...

And? Some blood and violence arent that bad. Ok I dont want in every issue a bloodpath but if you consider the circumstances it is justified.

No, he's referring to the irony of having such violence under an light title name.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yeah, i saw scans of the event. Spidey was really chowing down.

Just a question...

I keep hearing mentions of Ben Reilly when The Other comes up. Is he supposed to be making a comeback, or has it nothing to do with him at all?

There were a couple Ben Reily variant covers. Ben's Spiderman costume and the Scarlet Spider costume.

That's about all though. Since there are about 7 variant Spider costume covers now.

I don't think Ben will be back this book. Hopefully they find a way to bring him back though.

They really don't need 3 Spiderman books. As bad as the "Clone Saga"was; it'd still be nice to have a single Spiderman instead of one that will forever be attached at the hip to Mary Jane like Superman to Lois Lane. If they brought Ben back, give him one of the Spider titles and we'll have a single fun loving Spiderman and the traditional married one. We'd also have a Spiderman who is on a team and one who still goes solo (assuming Ben doesn't join the New Warriors againl ol).

That'd be fine by me.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
There were a couple Ben Reily variant covers. Ben's Spiderman costume and the Scarlet Spider costume.

That's about all though. Since there are about 7 variant Spider costume covers now.

I don't think Ben will be back this book. Hopefully they find a way to bring him back though.

They really don't need 3 Spiderman books. As bad as the "Clone Saga"was; it'd still be nice to have a single Spiderman instead of one that will forever be attached at the hip to Mary Jane like Superman to Lois Lane. If they brought Ben back, give him one of the Spider titles and we'll have a single fun loving Spiderman and the traditional married one. We'd also have a Spiderman who is on a team and one who still goes solo (assuming Ben doesn't join the New Warriors againl ol).

That'd be fine by me. I'd be all for that. Ben was a fav of mine...

Ben was nice but there can be only ONE Spiderman.
But they could bring back Kaine, he is a great villian/anti hero.



Sorry didnt catch that right.

Yeah, if Ben did come back the only way he'd last would be to become his own superhero. We all know 2 Spider-Mans wouldn't last long. Which is a pity cause Ben had the best Spider-Man costume ever.

...

I know it's not a big deal, but it's probably the only time I'll ever be right. Have to live it up while I can. Hehe...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Yeah, if Ben did come back the only way he'd last would be to become his own superhero. We all know 2 Spider-Mans wouldn't last long. Which is a pity cause Ben had the best Spider-Man costume ever.

Classic red and blue?

Yeah, Ben's costume rocked. Classic Spidey costume is still fine by me, and I really disliked the black. Parker should definitely have some alternate costumes though.

spiderman eats morlun??

Why?

He doesn't eat him. He just bites his face.

Why?

Because that's what the spider does when he's cornered and near death?

Ask JMS.

anyone post some scans of the feast...............

Originally posted by The Ion
Because that's what the spider does when he's cornered and near death?

Ask JMS.
Sexy AND intelligent.

Wow. . .thats. . . messed. . .

So how long until we can use that in the forums?

Originally posted by long pig
Sexy AND intelligent.
That's actually the exact dialogue from the book.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wow. . .thats. . . messed. . .

So how long until we can use that in the forums?
-Looks at the Spiderman v Wolverine fight-

The cops show up at the scene of Morlun's brutal beating of Spidey. Rather than have to wade through an entire SWAT team, Morlun escapes, confident he can finish the job later. The cops try to deliver on-scene first-aid, which includes removing Spidey's mask to make sure he's not choking on blood in his mouth. Looking at him, he's so badly beaten that he's unidentifiable.

At the hospital, the Iron Man, Cap, and Cage argue with the admitting nurse while Jessica Drew sneaks MJ into Spidey's room. The nurse tells the Avengers that they can't remove Spidey from the hospital because his injuries are too severe, but that in any case, he's going to die soon.

While MJ is at Peter's side, Morlun arrives to finish his meal. She tries to fight him off, but he overpowers her and breaks her wrist. Peter is still comatose, but the spider part of him is able to act instinctively to save his mate, essentially piloting his body. It uses heretofore-unseen stingers to pin Morlun to the floor, and, from what I could tell, does the same life-force draining trick on Morlun that he wanted to do on Spidey. Morlun's body turns to dust, and Peter wakes up long enough to tell MJ he loves her before he dies. Iron Man wraps the body in a sheet and flies it out of the hospital.
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Dramtic isnt it? Cant wait to read it.

But if Morlun is really "dead" Will he fight in the coming issues or will it just show his change? But hey it would be cool to see how Peter deals with this. And I want to see his new powers +new costume.

I am wondering if this stingers will remain.

What do the stingers do exactly? Do they pin his clothes? How big are they?

What about that life draining trick. . is that part of his powers?

OF course with him dieing (for the time being) it might not be part of his powers yet. . .

I can't wait to see what happens.

cant believe cage and iron man didn't help save pete

AFAIK they were talking at that moment to the docs.
And Morlun can sneak in everywhere.
Even Wolverine couldnt sense him in the previous issues.

Why does everyone think Pete's going to come back? Don't you know Queseda has a "Dead means Dead" policy? And that means he'll never be back...

Just ask Psylocke... or Colossus...

rofl

I found scans of the event here

omg. He ate him......cool...somehow....

Again, he didn't eat him. Morlun faded away into dust and his energy went to Spider-Man.

Regardless of whether or not, Spider-Man dies physically. As far as I'm concerned his CHARACTER has died. This isn't Spider-Man....

Originally posted by Draco69
Regardless of whether or not, Spider-Man dies physically. As far as I'm concerned his CHARACTER has died. This isn't Spider-Man....

We even dont know how it will go on. Why have people phobies against some changes. If you dont like it you can read Ultimate SM. I

It's not really a major change. Spider-Man's character has been gradually decaying for about two years now. He's not the everyman that comic fans found so endearing. He's a rich, famous superhero now living in the Avengers tower. Oh and he has occasional bouts with some Indian tribal magic.

I'm all for change as long as it's evolutionary.

Ah you mean that. Yes things went good for Spidey. He has a safe place, no worries about money. Life is good to him.... well except the fact that he will die. But we know he wont die. But even the authors stated that Petes life is going to good so I think they will change that things after Evolve or Die story.

But I hope he stays as Avenger. Not forever but for a while it would be cool.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's not really a major change. Spider-Man's character has been gradually decaying for about two years now. He's not the everyman that comic fans found so endearing. He's a rich, famous superhero now living in the Avengers tower. Oh and he has occasional bouts with some Indian tribal magic.

I'm all for change as long as it's evolutionary.

He's still an everyman.

Spiderman is FAR from rich. He doesn't even have a job. How is he making any money?

He's mooching off Tony Stark.

It seems like you didn't read it; but recently Spiderman's house was destroyed by a villain and Tony promised to take care of him, MJ, and Aunt May since Spiderman is in the Avengers. (And well, he's earned it.)

Peter is not happy with the situation but MJ is. He also got fired from his school teaching job.

So, I don't see how all that constitutes as rich. If anything, he's in major debt.

He's not famous for being an Avenger yet either. As far as I know, the New Avengers still havn't gone public and the government hates their guts.

He's infamous throughout New York still though; but that has always been the norm.

Originally posted by The Ion
Again, he didn't eat him. Morlun faded away into dust and his energy went to Spider-Man.

Spiderman grew fangs and bit Morlun in the face and sucked the energy out of him.

Sounds a little like feeding to me..

Originally posted by 8bitChris
He's still an everyman.

Not anymore. He's an Avenger. Instead of tackling girlfriend problems and Doctor Octopus on the fly, he's flying around on a jet with Captain America. He's lost the everyman persona years ago.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Spiderman is FAR from rich. He doesn't even have a job. How is he making any money?

Two words: Avengers Stipend.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
He's mooching off Tony Stark.

ANYONE who mooches of Tony Stark, I consider to be rich...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
It seems like you didn't read it; but recently Spiderman's house was destroyed by a villain and Tony promised to take care of him, MJ, and Aunt May since Spiderman is in the Avengers. (And well, he's earned it.)


It's not a question of earning. It's just a question of his character nowadays. To me it went like this to Spider-Fans:

Spider-Man: Oh god, no! My house! My life is RUINED! Ruined I tell you!

Spider-Fans: Finally, some action!

Iron Man: Oh, you poor thing. Why don't you live in my multi-billion tower complete with plasma screen TVs, fully-automated refridgerators, an indoor pool and 24/7 access to Internet porn?

Spider-Man: Boo-ya!

Spider-Fans: Crap...

Mary Jane: Yes! I KNEW there was some reason I married this loser!

Aunt May: Oh, Peter. I'm sick again! I have this deblitating disease that will kill me in....

Reed Richards: Here.

Aunt May: I'm cured! Saints above!

Spider-Fans: *groans*


Originally posted by 8bitChris
Peter is not happy with the situation but MJ is. He also got fired from his school teaching job.

THAT was a good potential for Spider-Man. There could have been hundreds of storylines that was not only new and fresh but a commentary on his past. But unfortunately Bendis ruined it....

Originally posted by 8bitChris
So, I don't see how all that constitutes as rich. If anything, he's in major debt.

Again. Avengers stipend. Haggling Tony Stark for money isn't so bad either.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
He's not famous for being an Avenger yet either. As far as I know, the New Avengers still havn't gone public and the government hates their guts.

Yes, I'm sure that Daily Bugle paper featuring the New Avengers capturing Electro doesn't count....

The problem is that once the Avengers goes OFFICIALLY public than Spider-Man will become famous. And loved. And Jameson won't be able to do sh** about it. ANYONE who stands and fights with the Avengers and more particularly CAPTAIN AMERICA, is going to get nothing but good press. And seeing a Spider-Man float during an Avengers parade is just wrong. He most certainly DESERVES it...but it's just wrong. Spider-Fans want to see Spider-Man struggling with everyday problems that we experience. That's who Spider-Man is and should be. Not camping out in Stark's pimphouse and flying around in a jet saving the world from Sauron.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
He's infamous throughout New York still though; but that has always been the norm.

Which is temporary until the New Avnegers make a public appearance. Spider-Man standing with the Avengers? Good press.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Spiderman grew fangs and bit Morlun in the face and sucked the energy out of him.

Sounds a little like feeding to me..
Energy feeding but his body was still there. Doesn't sound like eating to me.

There is no more Avengers Stipend.

Read new Avengers. They do it for free now.

There has never been any mention of any Stipend whatsoever in New Avengers.

However, it has been explicity stated that Tony can not fund the Avengers like he used to.

It has also been stated multiple times that there will be no Avengers paycheck. No dealing with the government or politics. Just helping people now.

And getting free housing from Tony Stark does not = rich no matter how many times you say it.

I got news for you buddy, Avengers = bad press now. The public still remembers "Avengers Dissasembled". Wanda ruined their little ride.

Yeah..THAT'll last.

Spider-Man: Tony, I REALLY appreciate you taking me into your lovely mult-billion dollar pimp..er..penthouse. But I kinda need a salary....

Luke Cage: Yeah, yo, we need some mo-nay for shizzle, ya dizzle?....*rambles off some indecipherable Ebonical phrase*...ya heard?

Iron Man: ..... right. Listen, Peter. I'm a little tight on money. I'm only worth about 8 billion dollars these days. Besides I GIVE you money when you need it...

Spider-Man: Yeah but MJ's going out with her girlfriends name Paris or whatever and she needs a Gucci handbag, a Louis Vuitton shoes and...hold on I have a list...

Luke Cage: Yo, cracker. My wife is pregnant with a kid, ya know? Can you just give a brother a working salary to feed my kid? He gonna need a pair Reeboks when he's born...

Iron-Man: Guys, please. I already said I'm tight on money. I mean I can only afford a Malaysian island these days. Back than, I could have bought three of them from Greece.

Spider-Man: .....Look, Tony. I'm really in a jam. MJ's totally busting my balls here. I NEED a salary. Like, I don't know, $100,000 per world-saving. Discounts on Wednesdays.

Luke Cage: For real, dawg! We in some need dinero! I need some new rims for my BMW! And that sign-language monkey of there...

Spider-Man: Luke, that's not a monkey. That's Echo.

Luke Cage: Oh.

Iron-Man: FINE! I'll pay Peter, $100,000 per day. Echo, $70,000 per day and Luke Cage, $37.00 per hour for a 4 hour day.

Spider-Man: Yay!

Echo: *slaps hands erratically*

Luke Cage: Alright, that's what I'm talkin' about..........waitaminute.

Originally posted by 8bitChris


It has also been stated multiple times that there will be no Avengers paycheck. No dealing with the government or politics. Just helping people now.

Again...that'll last.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
And getting free housing from Tony Stark does not = rich no matter how many times you say it.

Jarvis: Would you like some caviar with that tuna sandwich, Mister Parker?

Spider-Man: Is it from France?

Jarvis: No, actually it's from Spain..

Spider-Man: Than get it out of my face! I only eat FRENCH caviar, you flea-bitten pedestrian!

Jarvis: Yes, sir.

Spider-Man: And make yourself useful and get that video I ordered off the counter.

Jarvis: Brazilian Sluts From Cunnilugus Academy or Big Black Ass-Slapping Fun#7?

Spider-Man: Uh....the last one.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I got news for you buddy, Avengers = bad press now. The public still remembers "Avengers Dissasembled". Wanda ruined their little ride.

I'm not following. I distinctly remembering the public, humping their legs not to disband....

I understand your disappointment draco, and I don't like his stint with the Avengers either...but he's been the everyman since the 60's. I don't really mind the new persona...and this whole evolution thing might still turn out interesting. The scans were certainly...graphic and shocking.

P.S. Big Black Ass-Slappin' Fun #7. That was by far the pinacle of the ass-slappin' series...LOL.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I understand your disappointment draco, and I don't like his stint with the Avengers either...but he's been the everyman since the 60's. I don't really mind the new persona...and this whole evolution thing might still turn out interesting. The scans were certainly...graphic and shocking.

To me, this is like the "feral" Wolverine from the nineties. It sucked. HARD. I really hope they go back to his roots.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
P.S. Big Black Ass-Slappin' Fun #7. That was by far the pinacle of the ass-slappin' series...LOL.

I agree.

great dialogue draco


don't worry, Peter won't be rich forever. it will go back to normal but his new powers will be there...................

I want to see Draco make one of those distracting dialogues to a DC thread.

Nobody makes threads about any of their stories other than IC though..


Too bad.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yeah..THAT'll last.

Spider-Man: Tony, I REALLY appreciate you taking me into your lovely mult-billion dollar pimp..er..penthouse. But I kinda need a salary....

Luke Cage: Yeah, yo, we need some mo-nay for shizzle, ya dizzle?....*rambles off some indecipherable Ebonical phrase*...ya heard?

Iron Man: ..... right. Listen, Peter. I'm a little tight on money. I'm only worth about 8 billion dollars these days. Besides I GIVE you money when you need it...

Spider-Man: Yeah but MJ's going out with her girlfriends name Paris or whatever and she needs a Gucci handbag, a Louis Vuitton shoes and...hold on I have a list...

Luke Cage: Yo, cracker. My wife is pregnant with a kid, ya know? Can you just give a brother a working salary to feed my kid? He gonna need a pair Reeboks when he's born...

Iron-Man: Guys, please. I already said I'm tight on money. I mean I can only afford a Malaysian island these days. Back than, I could have bought three of them from Greece.

Spider-Man: .....Look, Tony. I'm really in a jam. MJ's totally busting my balls here. I NEED a salary. Like, I don't know, $100,000 per world-saving. Discounts on Wednesdays.

Luke Cage: For real, dawg! We in some need dinero! I need some new rims for my BMW! And that sign-language monkey of there...

Spider-Man: Luke, that's not a monkey. That's Echo.

Luke Cage: Oh.

Iron-Man: FINE! I'll pay Peter, $100,000 per day. Echo, $70,000 per day and Luke Cage, $37.00 per hour for a 4 hour day.

Spider-Man: Yay!

Echo: *slaps hands erratically*

Luke Cage: Alright, that's what I'm talkin' about..........waitaminute.

So I take this as your concession about being wrong about the Avengers Stipend?

Can we get one for all that Silver Samurai nonsense you spouted too?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
So I take this as your concession about being wrong about the Avengers Stipend?

No. Can we take this a concession about you loving and defending EVERY Marvel storyline somebody doesn't like...?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Can we get one for all that Silver Samurai nonsense you spouted too?

What was I supposed to think? Silver Samurai in armour with sword in hand. They fought ninjas and a C-grade Sauron. Silver Samurai wouldn't be too far off the map.

For some odd reason, you seem to jump to the defense of every Marvel storyline. Guess what? Some people think some of the storylines sucked. A majority of us didn't like House of M. A majority of us think Spder-Man losing his eye and becoming a energy-leecher is quite silly. And I think damn near everyone of us think that Wolverine should stick to ONE team and not join every damn superhero group just because he feels like it.

Originally posted by Draco69
No. Can we take this a concession about you loving and defending EVERY Marvel storyline somebody doesn't like...?



What was I supposed to think? Silver Samurai in armour with sword in hand. They fought ninjas and a C-grade Sauron. Silver Samurai wouldn't be too far off the map.

For some odd reason, you seem to jump to the defense of every Marvel storyline. Guess what? Some people think some of the storylines sucked. A majority of us didn't like House of M. A majority of us think Spder-Man losing his eye and becoming a energy-leecher is quite silly. And I think damn near everyone of us think that Wolverine should stick to ONE team and not join every damn superhero group just because he feels like it.


dude calm down. im not taking sides or anything, but some of us think Infinite crisis is boring and overrated..................

Originally posted by willRules
dude calm down. im not taking sides or anything, but some of us think Infinite crisis is boring and overrated..................

I think the original Crisis was boring and too confusing for my tastes. The new Crisis has more action but it is just as confusing as the last one. You need a friggin Sparknotes to follow it.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Why does everyone think Pete's going to come back? Don't you know Queseda has a "Dead means Dead" policy? And that means he'll never be back...

Just ask Psylocke... or Colossus...

I'm not a die-hard comics fan, and that may be why I'm excited about Spidey's recent changes.

Originally posted by Draco69
No. Can we take this a concession about you loving and defending EVERY Marvel storyline somebody doesn't like...?



What was I supposed to think? Silver Samurai in armour with sword in hand. They fought ninjas and a C-grade Sauron. Silver Samurai wouldn't be too far off the map.

For some odd reason, you seem to jump to the defense of every Marvel storyline. Guess what? Some people think some of the storylines sucked. A majority of us didn't like House of M. A majority of us think Spder-Man losing his eye and becoming a energy-leecher is quite silly. And I think damn near everyone of us think that Wolverine should stick to ONE team and not join every damn superhero group just because he feels like it.

You don't speak for any majority.

I'm not so much defending the storyline as much as I am defending against your bashing with false facts and assumptions. You've done it repeatedly; so i've had to respond repeatedly.

I'm not saying, "The Other" is the greatest Spiderman storyline ever.

I'm saying Spiderman is not rich.
The Avengers do not have a stipend
and so on.

I wouldn't have to clarify things if you'd actually do some research before you post.

The Silver Samurai? You made a HUGE assumption about it and laughed and bashed the New Avengers on multiple posts based on the assumption. Well, it turns out you were wrong. So what have you learned about making assumptions? You should have gone with your gut instinct. (SS is no match for the Avengers) At the time, I let it go because I didn't want to be a dick about it. Maybe I should have said something then too.

You nit-pick and bash a Marvel story any time you get the chance; much of the time, for asinine reasons (HoM Rogue marring Marvel continuity) . If you did the same thing for DC I wouldn't have to call you on it so much. But you don't, and I feel that someone should say something about it.

Originally posted by Draco69
To me, this is like the "feral" Wolverine from the nineties. It sucked. HARD. I really hope they go back to his roots. Could be worse. . but I agree, this power up is rather disapointing. . .

Now all we need is some power hungry psycho somehow gets their hands on Spiderman and uses that oh so rare so that means everyone has it adamantium bonded to those bone protrusions. . .

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You don't speak for any majority.

True. You speak for the minority....

IOriginally posted by 8bitChris
'm not so much defending the storyline as much as I am defending against your bashing with false facts and assumptions. You've done it repeatedly; so i've had to respond repeatedly.

Again. Why is my opinion of a storyline considered bashing? You like the New Avengers? Fine. Unfortunately most of us like Sentry, Ion, and longpig feel that it's quite ridiculous. Once again, I just don't like the storylines you like. You make it seem like the greatest thing next to sliced bread but I just feel some of the storylines are kinda cheap and a divergance from the original schemata that Kirby and Lee so masterfully employed.

You have this tendency to defend any and all Marvel storyline with a cult-like persona that is disturbing as it is amusing...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I'm not saying, "The Other" is the greatest Spiderman storyline ever.

True. It's not anywhere close to that department. The greatest Spider-Man storylines are long past. Now we're stuck with a one-eyed, stinger-protruding, energy-feeding Spider-Man that snarls alot....

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I'm saying Spiderman is not rich.
The Avengers do not have a stipend
and so on./B]

True. I said that.


Originally posted by 8bitChris
I wouldn't have to clarify things if you'd actually do some research before you post.

I don't research. I read. This is coming from the guy who doesn't research nor read much of DC? Hyprocrite.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
The Silver Samurai? You made a HUGE assumption about it and laughed and bashed the New Avengers on multiple posts based on the assumption.

Again. What was I supposed to think. SS fully decked out in armour with a sword in hand. A cliffhanger that fully suggested a upcoming battle. And a history of battling second-stringers like the Wrecker and Sauron.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Well, it turns out you were wrong.

Thank god. As if the New Avengers needed any more humilation.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
So what have you learned about making assumptions? You should have gone with your gut instinct. (SS is no match for the Avengers)

Neither was Sauron and the Hand ninjas...yet they managed to give the New Avengers trouble...

And Bendis has a tendency to put B-grade characters in the spotlight.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
At the time, I let it go because I didn't want to be a dick about it. Maybe I should have said something then too.

No. Dear. The only one being a dick is you. You're a Marvel fanboy. You defend and love every Marvel storyline with fanatical ravishings. You don't like criticisms or bad opinions of the said storyline. So you immediately come to its defense like an abused Rottwiler.

You have better grammar, spelling and paragraph structure. But really in my eyes, you're no different from Wolverine8888.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You nit-pick and bash a Marvel story any time you get the chance; much of the time,

Another example of your cultish, fanatical devotion to Marvel. This is just amusing, really.


Originally posted by 8bitChris
for asinine reasons (HoM Rogue marring Marvel continuity) .

Actually to diverge off-topic, the reason for the Rogue thing was because Bendis originally intended Rogue to be the next Genis-Vell and become a cosmic character (*shudders at thought*). But the editorial team, thankfully, made Bendis fix it.

And I didn't like HoM. Most of us didn't like HoM here. I'm not alone in this aspect. And while I respect your like for HoM, you should know that you're very along in this aspect as well. The reason I didn't like HoM was because what I believed to be poor writing and obscure plotlines. Also I recognize it as simply a ploy to "fix" Grant Morrison's take on the X-Men. Which I think is just low...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
If you did the same thing for DC I wouldn't have to call you on it so much.

Actually I do...but you never seem to take a step in DC-themed threads. If you're allergic or something, I'll digress. For example, I thought Identity Crisis was sh**. I also think Batman is a sh** character nowadays and should die. There, happy.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
But you don't, and I feel that someone should say something about it.

Honey, it often goes like this between you and me or anyother person who didn't like a certain storyline.

Draco69: I didn't like House of M.

8bitChris: SHUT UP!!

Draco69:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Could be worse. . but I agree, this power up is rather disapointing. . .

Now all we need is some power hungry psycho somehow gets their hands on Spiderman and uses that oh so rare so that means everyone has it adamantium bonded to those bone protrusions. . .

Hopefully, they'll go back to his roots.

See, 8bitChris. I'm not the only one who thinks this power-up sucks. Why don't you bash Creshok for a change? Or better yet DigiMark007 who also finds this storyline really lame...

*sneeze...

We dont know if his power ups will be energy sucking and the stingers.
Guys just wait and see how it will end. I am reading Spidey for almost 15 years. There were good stories and bad stories.

Personally it is okay when Spidey has some changes in that way.
Spidey loved by the people? Hell why not he is risking his life for years
a little fame and respect wouldnt be bad. And since when it is a falut when someone has a good life.

Draco I really cant understand you but it is your opinion and i have to respect that.

Originally posted by Draco69
Hopefully, they'll go back to his roots.

See, 8bitChris. I'm not the only one who thinks this power-up sucks. Why don't you bash Creshok for a change? Or better yet DigiMark007 who also finds this storyline really lame...

Because they don't make false statements or assumptions. They only give opinion.

How hard is that to comprehend?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Because they don't make false statements or assumptions. They only give opinion.

Which is what I do...but you for some reason label my opinions as "false assumptions" which is kinda amusing...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
How hard is that to comprehend?

Hypocrisy never makes sense except to the hypocrite.

I didn't say "false assumptions".

I said false statements or assumptions.

Now who's a being a nitpick?

Actually, over in Marvel Knights Spiderman, Peter finally landed a staff job at the Bugle. He also wasn't fired from his teaching position, he just got passed over for the summer school slot he was hoping to use to pick up some extra bucks. He could concievably go back to teaching in the fall if Jonah gets his goat too badly.

I don't think the Avengers have stipends again yet, but a luxury condo in a Manhattan high-rise would cost far more than the $52,000/year that the team used to get. For that matter, $52,000 isn't a big salary in New York either. The cost of living is quite high. If Peter were to finish his Master's Thesis and get tenure (yeah right) he might eventually make more as a teacher. Of course, they got room and board at a Park Avenue West Mansion then too.

Originally posted by Draco69
Now who's a being a nitpick?

How am I nitpicking?

Just get some reading comprehension and I wouldn't have to "nitpick".

I had to respond to your post; that's not nit picking. It's trying to fix something you were trying to take out of context and failed at miserably.

I did get a laugh out of both those responses though.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
How am I nitpicking?

*sighs*

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Just get some reading comprehension and I wouldn't have to "nitpick".

But you just said you didn't....never mind. I thought bipolar hypocrisy was just a myth but apparently it's for real.

Honors thesis, here I come!

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I had to respond to your post; that's not nit picking. It's trying to fix something you were trying to take out of context and failed at miserably.

Honey, you're just incredibly insecure with the fact that everyone doesn't agree with you. Nor does everyone have the same like and/or dislikes as you either. To you, an opinion/joke/criticism against a storyline is a direct insult to you. Which is both sad and disturbing. You don't "have" to reply. You just have willpower of a unrepentant heroin addict to simply ignore my posts that you equate to calling your grandmother a whore.

Do grow up...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I did get a laugh out of both those responses though.

At least my humour isn't lost on you...

Originally posted by Draco69
True. You speak for the minority....


I never said I speak for the majority. You said well the "majority" of people think the storyline is trash. You have no evidence to back up that statement. I realize that I speak for myself, as do you.



No I don't.

It just seems to me that a lot of your posts are constructed in such a manner as to belittle Marvel at every chance you get. I wouldn't say anything if it didn't happen more often than not. A lot of the time, I see posts I don't like and I don't say anything.



I defended issue 7 of HoM and what else? Any evidence to support your case? I know i've stepped up numerous times to defend Marvel from people who say, "Marvel has crap stories" and omit the fact that they have some really good ones too. I have listed what I like.

But saying I defend "any and all Marvel storyline" is absurb, and untrue.



A lot? He's done this once. We don't even know where the story is going. How are we stuck with it?



Untrue, you said the exact opposite of that. Which was why I said it was wrong in the first place.



I don't shove my foot in my mouth on all DC threads either. I wouldn't enter a thread and criticize a story if I didn't know what I was talking about. I read IC, so I talked on that thread. However, i'll avoid debate threads or story threads where I have no knowledge on the subject. I know and read Marvel, so you will see me on more Marvel threads than DC threads. That is not being hypocritical that is being sensible.



The same reason most cliffhangers don't give away what is going to happen next. There is almost always a twist or a different direction when they are concerned. If that wasn't the case then story telling, in parts, would be a lot less surprising. Personally, I think it would be boring without the element of surprise; but that is only speaking for myself.

Wrecker and Sauron have the powers and means to take advantage of the Avengers rosters that they fought. I mean, you might not like the characters but it would be ridiculous to say that they did not have the powers or means to fight the Avengers the way they did. It wasn't PIS or bad writing.



Well you might want to worry more about your own humiliation. It's not good to present false statements as fact.



I've said before that Sauron hypnotizing all the Avengers was not PIS because it has precedent. It's one of his powers. Hand Ninjas? Always used as plot fodder. Not every villain can be a Galactus. Marvel has a lot of street and the Avengers did manhandle the Ninjas.



This is bad? Should only the A-listers have any time to shine?



You're an admitted DC fanboy. The only time I remember defending a Marvel storyline against you was HoM issue 7. However, there were numerous times you've shown up on a Marvel post to talk trash.

Or does "OMG New Avengers fighting Silver Samurai! That is so lame! lollolol Get some real villains" Not even sound a little familiar? Remember when I mentioned putting your foot in your mouth?

For the record, I didn't criticize your opinion. I corrected when you said Spiderman was an extremely rich character who couldn't possibly relate to the everyman.

You don't remember me saying, "You're wrong. The other storyline is awesome"? Well that's because it didn't happen. That's something you interjected into the arguement. Another false statement like the above quote.

You know it's false. You know I don't defend every Marvel story with "fanatical ravishings". It's just not true.



But really, in my eyes, I don't care what you think. I'm just trying to provide a little truth to the forum. Take that as you will.



Actually it was an accusation that you didn't even attempt to deny.



I defended issue 7 of HoM. I agree that overall the story was slow paced and did not live up to the hype. However, I will not call it a "trajedy" or an "awful story" or anything like that. It was alright.

It's funny that you brought up that Grant Morrison issue. I remember reading online that people were saying Countdown to IC crapped all over Morrison's run on the JLA. With making Maxwell Lord evil and murdering Ted Kord and what not. Sorry to divulge off topic a little bit myself.

So it looks like he might be getting a little crapped on all over the place. I think it's more along the lines now that the big name writers write stories in such a way that they mess everything up for the person trying to follow them. Certain big name writers tend to put their stories first and not think ahead and realize that new people will take over the comic after them.

Or in Morrison's X-universe case; writing a story into continuity that affects the WHOLE Marvel Universe. Marvel felt that putting 16 million mutants on the planet took away from the mystique and idea of super heroes in the first place. The mutants were also well on their way to becomming the majority. A majority population with super powers? It could work but in my opinion it wouldn't work in the Marvel U; a place where have special powers should be uh...special. So I agree with the decision Marvel made to reduce the number of the mutants. Could it have been a better story? Well yeah, but then again, what story couldn't possibly be a better story? (It sounds funny writing that. Point is, stories can always be told better by someone else.)



You know I can't afford to read a lot of DC. I wouldn't have much to contribute to those threads. The threads weren't made for me.



No it doesn't. I don't get like this with a lot of people. You on occasion. But that's what MBs are for.

I'm done Draco. I think we ruined the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman thread. Go ahead and reply if you want. I probably wont respond, but if I do it'll be through PM.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I never said I speak for the majority. You said well the "majority" of people think the storyline is trash. You have no evidence to back up that statement. I realize that I speak for myself, as do you.

I speak for myself. But unfortunately for you my spoken words are nearly synomonous with other members' comments...

Evidence? Read the entire thread. You see anyone applauding the "Other" storyline besides Arahan?



Originally posted by 8bitChris
No I don't.

Denial is often the bastard child of Hypocrisy...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
It just seems to me that a lot of your posts are constructed in such a manner as to belittle Marvel at every chance you get.

You're being astonishingly paranoid....There is no conspiracy, honey....it's all in your head.....

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I wouldn't say anything if it didn't happen more often than not. A lot of the time, I see posts I don't like and I don't say anything.

Pfft. Please you try to "defend" your Marvel mistress every chance you get...with hilarious Three Stooges-esque results.



Originally posted by 8bitChris
I defended issue 7 of HoM and what else? Any evidence to support your case?

Oh, I don't know. The New Avengers. The Sentry. The Decimation event. Anything that strikes your fancy. Woe to anybody who crosses your path..
Originally posted by 8bitChris
know i've stepped up numerous times to defend Marvel from people who say, "Marvel has crap stories" and omit the fact that they have some really good ones too.

Who said that? And no the monkey in your closet, doesn't count. Honey, you seriously need a shrink.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I have listed what I like.

And bit the ankles of anyone who didn't like what you like.


Originally posted by 8bitChris
But saying I defend "any and all Marvel storyline" is absurb, and untrue.

Uh-uh. You omitted "you like" which makes the statement true....



Originally posted by 8bitChris
A lot? He's done this once. We don't even know where the story is going. How are we stuck with it?

He's snarled three times in the book....

Unless they can make him regrow an eye, and get rid of those "stingers" we're stuck with this sad version of Spider-Man.



Originally posted by 8bitChris
Untrue, you said the exact opposite of that. Which was why I said it was wrong in the first place.

Honey. For some odd reason you imagine things I don't say. Or take jokes the wrong way. Both are kinda lame...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I don't shove my foot in my mouth on all DC threads either. I wouldn't enter a thread and criticize a story if I didn't know what I was talking about.

Bipolar hypocrisy....what a disorder. You just wrote one sentence that was immediately contradicted by the next sentence. It's like your subconcious is at war with your conscious. You lying and yet "not lying"

Fascinating...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I read IC, so I talked on that thread. However, i'll avoid debate threads or story threads where I have no knowledge on the subject. I know and read Marvel, so you will see me on more Marvel threads than DC threads. That is not being hypocritical that is being sensible.

No. Honey. That is hypocrisy. You go on DC threads. Say critical statements about it. Such as IC being a marketing gimmick for draining comic readers' money. And that's okay. I go on Marvel. I make critical statements sometimes. I get bit in the ankle by 8bitChris. Okay....

Originally posted by 8bitChris
The same reason most cliffhangers don't give away what is going to happen next. There is almost always a twist or a different direction when they are concerned.

Comic book cliffhangers are incredibly predictable at times. This one was surprising. But seriously Bendis has never been a master of unpredictable twists so I was caught off-guard.


Originally posted by 8bitChris
If that wasn't the case then story telling, in parts, w

ould be a lot less surprising. Personally, I think it would be boring without the element of surprise; but that is only speaking for myself.

And I agree. Can you stop gnawing at my ankle?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Wrecker and Sauron have the powers and means to take advantage of the Avengers rosters that they fought. I mean, you might not like the characters but it would be ridiculous to say that they did not have the powers or means to fight the Avengers the way they did. It wasn't PIS or bad writing.


Yes. It was. Sauron got punked by Jubilee alone. And is often punked by low-grade characters like Morph. Seriously. They could have thought of a better villain than him.

Wrecker was more interesting. But if they added the ENTIRE Wrecking Crew than it would have been more viable than relying on spider-phermones to "defeat" him.


Originally posted by 8bitChris
Well you might want to worry more about your own humiliation. It's not good to present false statements as fact.

Honey, the only one continually humilated is you. Remember you crawling on your knees begging for forgiveness that last time we argued? You groveled than and you'll grovel now.



Originally posted by 8bitChris
I've said before that Sauron hypnotizing all the Avengers was not PIS because it has precedent. It's one of his powers.

Iron Man has tech that rivals the Celestials. I refuse to believe that Cyclops can resist its effects but not Iron Man or Captain America.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Hand Ninjas? Always used as plot fodder. Not every villain can be a Galactus. Marvel has a lot of street and the Avengers did manhandle the Ninjas.

Not for the AVENGERS. They should be handling Count Nefaria and Ultron. Not NINJAS. Pfft.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
his is bad? Should only the A-listers have any time to shine?

Not necessarily. It's just quite annoying to see some unknown character like the Top dominate the comic.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
ou're an admitted DC fanboy. The only time I remember defending a Marvel storyline against you was HoM issue 7. However, there were numerous times you've shown up on a Marvel post to talk trash.

I don't post trash. You do. Remember saying IC is nothing but a marketing ploy to drain comic buyers money? Yeah....

I'm DC AND Marvel fanboy. I like both companies. And read both companies as equally as I can. If I was a DC fanboy I wouldn't read anything Marvel now would I? You're fanboy because A) you refuse to accept faults in "your" company and B) you believe criticism to DC as equivalent as insulting your grandmother. Which is damn sad...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Or does "OMG New Avengers fighting Silver Samurai! That is so lame! lollolol Get some real villains" Not even sound a little familiar? Remember when I mentioned putting your foot in your mouth?

I don't recall you ever putting my foot in my mouth. I would still feel soreness. However I have made you crawl to me in PM for forgiveness if that's what you mean.

And yes the thought of Silver Samarai fighting the New Avengers was lame. Hopefully the Collective will be a major threat for once.

For the record, I didn't criticize your opinion. I corrected when you said Spiderman was an extremely rich character who couldn't possibly relate to the everyman.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You don't remember me saying, "You're wrong. The other storyline is awesome"? Well that's because it didn't happen. That's something you interjected into the arguement. Another false statement like the above quote.

For a person with an imagines criticisms as insults....

It wasn't implictly stated no. But it was certainly implied.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You know it's false. You know I don't defend every Marvel story with "fanatical ravishings". It's just not true.

Again. Denial is often the bastard child of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
But really, in my eyes, I don't care what you think. I'm just trying to provide a little truth to the forum. Take that as you will.

Your opinion isn't truth. It's an OPINION. You're incredibly delusional...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Actually it was an accusation that you didn't even attempt to deny.

I get accusations from you every day. I'm half-expecting you to yell "WITCH" one day...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I defended issue 7 of HoM. I agree that overall the story was slow paced and did not live up to the hype. However, I will not call it a "trajedy" or an "awful story" or anything like that. It was alright..

NOW you say so. Jesus Christ, with the way you reacted you made it seem like you were the Pagemaster of the HoM series...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
It's funny that you brought up that Grant Morrison issue. I remember reading online that people were saying Countdown to IC crapped all over Morrison's run on the JLA. With making Maxwell Lord evil and murdering Ted Kord and what not. Sorry to divulge off topic a little bit myself.

Not really, no. I don't see that. There are alot of Morrison fanatics outthere. If you mean that IC split up the JLA than yeah I guess...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
So it looks like he might be getting a little crapped on all over the place.Certain big name writers tend to put their stories first and not think ahead and realize that new people will take over the comic after them.

Actually Morrison DID put failsafes in place for writers to work their way around the Magneto thing. Namely the Sublime villain. Sublime controlled Magneto. The writers could have worked their way around it. But they failed or just didn't want to.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Or in Morrison's X-universe case; writing a story into continuity that affects the WHOLE Marvel Universe.

I didn't mind reducing the mutant population TOO much. But having Wanda wave her magic wand and say "no more mutants?" Cop-out.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
No it doesn't. I don't get like this with a lot of people. You on occasion. But that's what MBs are for.

Yes it does. You post a thread pertaining to a Marvel storyline. Someone says something you don't like. We all hear a yipping noise....


Originally posted by 8bitChris
I'm done Draco. I think we ruined the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman thread.

Oh stop. It's fine. People are still posting.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Go ahead and reply if you want. I probably wont respond, but if I do it'll be through PM.

Only if it's another grovel PM like the last time...

WTH? You guys were diligent. Thats to much to read.
Besides I didnt like all issues of the Other. But I have no
problem with changing, ok they could have done it better,
but it is already done and we cant change much about it.

Anyway. . .

Which spider is it that has the stingers for them to decide to give him these?

Wait a second, where are his spinnerets? Did he . .. does he have the option of switching?

They look like something Marrow could pull out of her ass...literally.

Originally posted by Draco69
They look like something Marrow could pull out of her ass...literally. Or bone claws like Wolverine had. . .

I hope this will help:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9743/cre9ep.th.jpg

Oh well, I almost walked away from it until I read the "grovel" part. I tried being adult and keeping it off the thread. So much for me being the bigger man and walking away eh? Here I am to witness Draco have another "proverbial" patting of his own back. I'll be as civil as I can under the current circumstances. However, I can only tolerate so much sh!t talking and bs.

I read your last post up and you called me a hypocrite for not posting on threads where I havn't read the story or have sufficient knowledge to actually contribute to the thread. How is that hypocritical? If following common sense makes me a hypocrite than so be it.

You're not making any sense. Or whatever sense you think you're making, it's incomprehensible.

All you're doing is wagging your jaw making up stories in your head about me being raving Marvel lunatic. Which we both know isn't the case.

Go ahead and post the PM for all I care. Just don't edit it so you can showcase your talent for not presenting facts. All it'll do is imply that your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff anyway. lol

Stop crying. You're the big mature hero here. You got nothing.





It's remarkable that you can post those two things on the same thread. If you don't get it, well...I don't want to have to draw another map for you to follow. You have enough trouble figuring out what i'm trying to say.

I admit i've tooted Marvel's horn on this forum and talked about stories that i've liked. I've also talked about crap stories that I collect like Uncanny X-men etc...

Fact of the matter is, I wouldn't make a thread about a story I didn't like. I will criticize stories that I have read and don't like though.

Yes, I've enjoyed "The Other."

No, I Never Said Draco's Opinion of "The Other" Was A Bad Opinion

Whatever implications you have in regards to that; it's all in your head honey.

I guess that pretty much takes care of this whole arguement. Oh, and Peter Parker isn't rich and there is no Avengers Stipend. You've pretty much conceded to everything else i've said as well.

Honestly bro, you don't see the hypocrisy in your demanding of maturity and the nature of your posts?

Try refuting my points every now and then instead of blatantly attacking me. This is one is for Cresh; I think the term is Ad Hominem (Yes, i'm guilty of it too. However, I still get my points across instead of throwing insult after insult. Well, until now anyway. I've reached my personal limit. Oh well, just as long as the points are still there.)

(See? I have a little sense of humor too. :P)

Oh and since you mentioned it I might as well talk about it. If you don't see IC as being as much of a marketing ploy as HoM...Honestly, DC wrote it to milk over 700 dollars (Sad but true; hundreds more than HoM) of your money out of your pocket... If you can't see that, then you need a reality check. Why all the hype? Why not let the good story tell itself? After you drop over a 1000 dollars into IC and it's DC-wide tie-ins with essential parts of the story and the 52 series spinning out of it....Ask yourself if the story really was that good. To tell the truth, i'm having a little buyers' remorse for all the HoM stuff i've got. Thankfully there is ebay.

I think "Crisis on Infinite Wallets" is one of the funniest names i've heard in a long time. I wish I could take credit for it; but that was someone elses creation.

Down with line-wide crossovers.

I think Marvel already did something like this a while ago...it was called Man-Spider saga or something...oh yeah, what about that saga where Spider-Man turned to be more spider-like, until finally dying as a giant Spider and giving birth to himself?

This Other saga is nothing new...

I was waiting for something more different.

It's lame. The first 5 issues were basically "Spidey is sick...but we won't tell you with what! LOLOLOL!" Then he dies for a completely unrelated reason. I wonder if theres going to be a point to the illness other than to fill issues.

I gotta give you my opinion of the Other so far...

due to the extreme lack of relevance to the title of this sotry so far, I have come to the conclusion that The Other... is infact The Spider.

There are two sides to Spiderman.... obviously The Spider, and The Man. The Man just died, but The Spider remains, leaving one to assume that the other is the spider. The Spider will weave the cuccoon or something like that in Mk#21 to everyones surprise.

Originally posted by The Ion
It's lame. The first 5 issues were basically "Spidey is sick...but we won't tell you with what! LOLOLOL!" Then he dies for a completely unrelated reason. I wonder if theres going to be a point to the illness other than to fill issues.

I agree. I have a feeling that instead of "The Other" consisting of 12 issues, it will turn out that it could have been cut down to half that.

has anyone read marvel knights spider-man #21.

some questions are answered in that one but not alot cant wait till amazing spider-man in 2 weeks.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
some questions are answered in that one but not alot cant wait till amazing spider-man in 2 weeks.

Yup I read it. Cant wait for ASM. Then we will see what comes out the cocoon. Peter or....the Other^^