1 Samuel 15:2-3

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Voltaire: "Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities"

Surely one can't believe they are more righteous than God? So how is it that many who claim to believe1 Samuel 15:2-3 is truthfully said of God, find that what God commands men to do in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 is contrary to their own sense of what is righteous? For 1 Samuel 15:2-3 perfectly illustrates a perverse belief of God, that any sane person should find repugnant to their own sense of what is righteous. There is no difference, whatsoever, in the vileness done by Islamist terrorists on 9/11 and the vileness of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. The evil deeds of both are manifestations of insane beliefs of God. For the Hitlerian like commands in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 reflect not the mind of God, but a depraved mind. No child of God can stand before God or men and truthfully say that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has not troubled them. The best they can say is they have believed it because they were fearful not to believe it, which is the evidence of being in bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts,.. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camels and donkey!

How can any sound-minded person not see the utter depravity of saying God commanded men to be the butchers of men and women, which by itself is vile enough, but that God even commanded that they be the butchers of children and infants? To believe that God is that bloody butcher in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 leaves little need of a devil to fear. Common sense alone should tell one that had God wanted the Amalekites destroyed, He would have done it Himself!

Unlike the primitive mumbo jumbo in the claims of the Great flood and the slaying of the firstborn of Egypt, where God is said to do the dirty work, 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has God commanding that men do the dirty work. Thus, it can be personalized by simply imagining one's self in that scenario. By making it personal, one has to visualize the horror of that bloody scene. They must see the sword in their own hand and the terror in the eyes of those whom they are to butcher and hear the screams of women and children literally being hacked to death in front of one another. It is in making this bloody atrocity personal that it becomes real, rather than just some ancient abstract account. It should force one to truthfully consider whether or not they could have been obedient to the claims of priests: It's the command of God! And to honestly question whether or not they could love one that would command them to do such horrible things.

Only morons and lunatics could think that butchering people is not an atrocity. And only a liar would claim that God has personally told them that 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of Him. Thus, the only excuse a sane sound minded person can offer for not questioning what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God, is that they are fearful of questioning what the Bible claims, which is the evidence of their bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.

Yet not everyone that claims to believe what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God does so out of an unrighteous fear of God, but believe it because it agrees with their spiritual nature. Their spiritual nature is different than those who if Moses commanded them to stone another would seek a small pebble and hoped it caused no harm; for they would seek a large rock and be happy for the harm it would cause. Much is revealed about the spirituality and mentality of those who try to rationalize the butchery of people in 1 Samuel 15:2-3. For they argue that those who were ripping terrified children from their mother's arms and bashing their brains out were righteous before God because God commanded this slaughter. Regardless of how one tries to justify 1 Samuel 15:2-3, there is no nice way to butcher people. Trying to put a happy face on the vile deeds of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 requires the same kind of twisted thinking that Islamic terrorists are using today in Iraq to justify the evil that they do.

Harrington Sites - Revealing the Spiritual duality of the Bible. For it serves neither God nor truth to try and rationalize irrational things the Bible says of God.

All of this is because the god of bible is a false god made by man. And these people needed a way to rationalize the war crimes they committed. Christianity can be just as evil as any religion that is subject to a childish god.

cheers

See it doesn't make since does it....

This thread should be answered by some Christians!

Waiting.....whistling

Hay! spencerspider

Answer this thread.

o hi wow i thought this was just discussing some verse lol but hmm lets see so are you saying that God is wrongbecause he told Israel to go kill the Amakelites? ok lets see well this is hard but i would have to say that the amakelites were very bad heathens and God had warned them somehow, but they didnt listen. I really do not have a great answer, but Christians are not just supposed to sit there and be happy little people and let everyone run over them, if the amakalites were wicked and powerful, and maybe even tried to kill some Christians (well they were not Christians back then but Israelites) anyway so He told them to wipe them out to show that if you try to hurt his people, that He will get you sooner or later.
Ask KPrince on this too I would like to see what he says.

And kill inocent little babies........

Originally posted by debbiejo
And kill inocent little babies........

😱

Sounds more like an evil god. 😱

Let's kill it before the evil god kills more in It's name.bash <<<<<--------look, it keeps popping back up....It won't die.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
Let's kill it before the evil god kills more in It's name.bash <<<<<--------look, it keeps popping back up....It won't die.....

😱 Run away........ 😱

*Runs*

Am I gone yet? 🤨

We need some more Christians to address this problem. The god of the OT, was an evil god. How did killing his son make him good? 😕

Originally posted by wlh
1 Samuel 15:2-3

Voltaire: "Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities"

Surely one can't believe they are more righteous than God? So how is it that many who claim to believe1 Samuel 15:2-3 is truthfully said of God, find that what God commands men to do in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 is contrary to their own sense of what is righteous? For 1 Samuel 15:2-3 perfectly illustrates a perverse belief of God, that any sane person should find repugnant to their own sense of what is righteous. There is no difference, whatsoever, in the vileness done by Islamist terrorists on 9/11 and the vileness of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. The evil deeds of both are manifestations of insane beliefs of God. For the Hitlerian like commands in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 reflect not the mind of God, but a depraved mind. No child of God can stand before God or men and truthfully say that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has not troubled them. The best they can say is they have believed it because they were fearful not to believe it, which is the evidence of being in bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts,.. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camels and donkey!

How can any sound-minded person not see the utter depravity of saying God commanded men to be the butchers of men and women, which by itself is vile enough, but that God even commanded that they be the butchers of children and infants? To believe that God is that bloody butcher in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 leaves little need of a devil to fear. Common sense alone should tell one that had God wanted the Amalekites destroyed, He would have done it Himself!

Unlike the primitive mumbo jumbo in the claims of the Great flood and the slaying of the firstborn of Egypt, where God is said to do the dirty work, 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has God commanding that men do the dirty work. Thus, it can be personalized by simply imagining one's self in that scenario. By making it personal, one has to visualize the horror of that bloody scene. They must see the sword in their own hand and the terror in the eyes of those whom they are to butcher and hear the screams of women and children literally being hacked to death in front of one another. It is in making this bloody atrocity personal that it becomes real, rather than just some ancient abstract account. It should force one to truthfully consider whether or not they could have been obedient to the claims of priests: It's the command of God! And to honestly question whether or not they could love one that would command them to do such horrible things.

Only morons and lunatics could think that butchering people is not an atrocity. And only a liar would claim that God has personally told them that 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of Him. Thus, the only excuse a sane sound minded person can offer for not questioning what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God, is that they are fearful of questioning what the Bible claims, which is the evidence of their bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.

Yet not everyone that claims to believe what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God does so out of an unrighteous fear of God, but believe it because it agrees with their spiritual nature. Their spiritual nature is different than those who if Moses commanded them to stone another would seek a small pebble and hoped it caused no harm; for they would seek a large rock and be happy for the harm it would cause. Much is revealed about the spirituality and mentality of those who try to rationalize the butchery of people in 1 Samuel 15:2-3. For they argue that those who were ripping terrified children from their mother's arms and bashing their brains out were righteous before God because God commanded this slaughter. Regardless of how one tries to justify 1 Samuel 15:2-3, there is no nice way to butcher people. Trying to put a happy face on the vile deeds of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 requires the same kind of twisted thinking that Islamic terrorists are using today in Iraq to justify the evil that they do.

Harrington Sites - Revealing the Spiritual duality of the Bible. For it serves neither God nor truth to try and rationalize irrational things the Bible says of God.

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." I Samuel 15:2-3

Pertaining to these verses, the question must be posed: who are we, the created, to question the Creator? God gave life, and can take it away. The ancient Israelites chose this situation to occur. God would have dealt with the Amalekites personally, but Israel did not want God to rule over them, they wanted a human king like the nations around them had established for themselves. Yet, any problems that occurred, Israel sought God for help. This is the case in I Samuel 15:2-3. Read the book of Job for the answer to your question wlh.

Originally posted by KPrince
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." I Samuel 15:2-3

Pertaining to these verses, the question must be posed: who are we, the created, to question the Creator?

Originally posted by KPrince
[BThe ancient Israelites chose this situation to occur. [/B]

Oh and the book of Job would make me NOT want to be a believer..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Ummmm yeah, since we are looking at his character.

The book of Job deals with this.

Why? Because they are human...And the god of the Bible is all knowing.

The book of Job is what you should read

Oh and the book of Job would make me NOT want to be a believer..

A believer? A believer in what? In God? Sure, people believe in God, but do they believe God...no. The human mind hates God, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7

If the human mind hates God, why should it believe God?

Originally posted by KPrince
A believer? A believer in what? In God? Sure, people believe in God, but do they believe God...no. The human mind hates God, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7

If the human mind hates God, why should it believe God?

I believe in god.

Originally posted by KPrince
A believer? A believer in what? In God? Sure, people believe in God, but do they believe God...no. The human mind hates God, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7

If the human mind hates God, why should it believe God?

What a painful and evil way of looking at the human condition. Do you not see that the idea that you have conveyed about is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus. Yes, there are parts of the bible that are untrue and not in agreement with the teachings of Jesus.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Which law are you pertaining too?

I believe in god.

What law am I pertaining too? I made no reference to a law, but if I must state one, it is the first commandment. You believe in "god"...do you mean the god within you? If so, then that is not the God I am talking about. However, the question by wlh referred to the God of the Bible, and as such, I suggested the book of Job as a starting place.