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Right, well, i decided to make this thread while posting in the cable vs. GL thread.

Here's what i mean by the strengthforce:

It all started with jose123:

Originally posted by Jose123
I've seen POWERLESS cable send LUKE CAGE flying with one punch. I repeat POWERLESS NORMAL HUMAN CABLE sent Luke Cage flying and continued to battle him off screen.


Then GS:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cable has a degree of superhuman strength due to his techno organic parts.

My conclusion:

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Exactly. But then any fights between super powered people would be terribly boring.

My theory is this:

In comics, when super powered people (superstrength) fight, it's assumed that they're in some sort of way grounded to the environment they're in. Imagine an invisible force that binds them to the ground they're on, kind of like gravity. But this force isn't equal with all, and instead of mass like gravity, it is denoted by the person's strength. Yes, i know it sounds strange, but it's obvious that it makes sense. A 100 tonner would more likely send a 10 tonner flying than the other way around by my theory. And that's the way it's portrayed in comics most often.

Agree with me?


So........agree with my theory of the strength force being constantly used in comics or not?

Maybe they have proper footing? Since they have their legs on the ground, and their legs have degree of super strength too?

And that would most likely seem to apply on most people...except some *coughwolverinecough*.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Maybe they have proper footing? Since they have their legs on the ground, and their legs have degree of super strength too?

And that would most likely seem to apply on most people...except some *coughwolverinecough*.

No ammount of footing would keep a 500 lbs character from being tossed miles away by a 100 ton punch, unless their feet are basically INSIDE the earth. And even then, it would rip out the chunk of ground and they'd still be thrown.

Think about it this way.

A 100 ton on the dot character compared to a 500 lbs opponent has a ratio of 444.4444444444444444444444 etc. to 1.

Now let's say you, Darkcrawler can benchpress 200 lbs.

Therefore, the comparison would be like this:

When a 100 tonner hits an opponent that weighs around 500 lbs, it would be like you, Darkcrawler hitting someone that weighs 200 grams.
No matter what kind of muscles or footing the person that weighs 200 grams (yes, quite impossible but bear with me) has, you'll throw them quite a distance no?

Therefore the "has footing" thing doesn't work and my theory still holds some water

I voted "yes it makes sense" because i have to take care of my self-esteem

Hmm...your theory is good.

What about the instances where the Class 100 tonners have send eachother to fight?

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Logically, that should happen everytime they fight.

Option 3

You will rue this day, sir!

Originally posted by The Ion
Option 3

You will rue this day, sir!
You're so hot when you're mad...droolio

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hmm...your theory is good.

What about the instances where the Class 100 tonners have send eachother to fight?

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Logically, that should happen everytime they fight.

Exactly yes

What happened then should happen whenever two people with such an incredible difference ( 444/1) between strength and weight fight.
The fact that it was in water has nothing to do with it, because as i proved, footing wouldn't matter when the numbers are that high

Originally posted by The Ion
Option 3

You will rue this day, sir!

Are you insulting my sources sir? Because i can guarantee they're 100% accurate

pays small monkey a banana to keep spying on Long Pig

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hmm...your theory is good.

What about the instances where the Class 100 tonners have send eachother to fight?

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Logically, that should happen everytime they fight.


I tell ya one thing those pictures make me realize: how many of the 'ol time artists had lousy knowledge of anatomy in the arms and legs.

I can appreciate what you're trying to explain. It's what I always thought of as the Leverage Factor: Eg - if the Hulk weighs 1000 pounds, how the hell does he drag down a 100-ton object? Mostly this has been something comic writers/artists have ignored...so the strengthforce theory seems as good as any to me.

Of course, it wouldnt have to apply to someone like Superman. He could use "flying force" to anchor himself into position.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Are you insulting my sources sir? Because i can guarantee they're 100% accurate

pays small monkey a banana to keep spying on Long Pig


Who is it with? Just give me a name.

Originally posted by Mindship
I tell ya one thing those pictures make me realize: how many of the 'ol time artists had lousy knowledge of anatomy in the arms and legs.

I can appreciate what you're trying to explain. It's what I always thought of as the Leverage Factor: Eg - if the Hulk weighs 1000 pounds, how the hell does he drag down a 100-ton object? Mostly this has been something comic writers/artists have ignored...so the strengthforce theory seems as good as any to me.

Of course, it wouldnt have to apply to someone like Superman. He could use "flying force" to anchor himself into position.

But that;s exactly it. With such heavy hitters, leverage doesn't play any role unless it's some seriously sickingly powerful leverage (which i've never seen).

As for Supes, yeah, i can understand what you're saying. When i said "the environment" the strength force interracts with, air, water and such were included. Not just the ground. yes

Originally posted by The Ion
Who is it with? Just give me a name.

I can't do that. I have to blackmail LP first

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Right, well, i decided to make this thread while posting in the cable vs. GL thread.

Here's what i mean by the strengthforce:

It all started with jose123:




Then GS:



My conclusion:




So........agree with my theory of the strength force being constantly used in comics or not?

Option 4 ; Writers + physics = bad comics ! I.e. Spiderman should be able to send Hulk flying, but that would look lame !!!!!!!!!!! Its more like the Durability Force, which is usually linked to strength !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Option 4 ; Writers + physics = bad comics ! I.e. Spiderman should be able to send Hulk flying, but that would look lame !!!!!!!!!!! Its more like the Durability Force, which is usually linked to strength !

HAH! Thou shalt not stealeth my idea......eth..... .....

I'm jose123!!!

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hulk once sent superman into space by a punch , and yet he once coudlnt move superman how is this possible superman weighs 275lbs hulk weighs 1040lbs or more and tehy rae both well into a few billion tons? please explain

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Originally posted by Black Adam
I'm jose123!!!

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Hear me roar!!!

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Right, well, i decided to make this thread while posting in the cable vs. GL thread.

Here's what i mean by the strengthforce:

It all started with jose123:




Then GS:



My conclusion:




So........agree with my theory of the strength force being constantly used in comics or not?

I agree wholeheartedly. Not only does there appear to be some force anchoring the characters to the ground, but also there appears to be some force that prevents the ground from deforming during the fight (if you assume that the characters do in fact brace themselves against the ground). While there are exceptions to be sure, the vast majority of writers/artists seem to ignore this abomination of basic physics and just accept it as a convention in this particular medium.

it'd be interesting to see someone try and do a comic with proper physics (as far as it is applicable, ie, radioactive spiders =/= lymphoma)

As far as the theory, I'd say its fairly applicable just in the way that writers and artists must invision the fights. Its weird that we associate physical strength and stability as synonymous when, as mentioned above, there is no real reason for why spider-man shouldn't be able to knock the hulk around, aside from the aestetics.