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Okay, we all know that for years now, Marvel and DC have these major summer crossover events take place. Most of Marvel's summer events have revolved around mutants, and just happen to touch on other non-mutant characters here and there. Not next year. Next year, the only character that won't be pulled into it will be the Hulk (and that's only because he's going to be stuck on another planet for the majority of it).

For years now, there have been fears that the government was going to pass that "Mutant Registration Act" into law. Now, with the events of last year with Wanda and the House of M, it was almost certain that the government was going to do something. But what happens surprises everyone.

Instead of a "Mutant Registration Act" the government passes a "Superhero Registration Act" into law. It mandates that all superheroes relinquish their secret identities and register themselves with the government, or face life imprisonment.

The superhero community will be sharply divided over this, and every superhero team from the Avengers to the X-Men will end up divided.

From the ranks of the Avengers two people will arrise. One leading the side of those who sided with the government's new law, one leading the side against the new law.

New teams will be formed and heroes will end up fighting against former friends and teammates. And with hero fighting hero, it'll make it harder to decide who to root for.

Also a Galactus level threat will make it's presense known: "The Collective." (What? I know you didn't think that all that energy and power from mutants who lost their abilities didn't just go nowhere.)

As for my ideas? Captain America would seem to be the obvious choice to lead those loyal to the government. But maybe it's too obvious a choice. He has been pretty vocal lately about not likeing how things have been going, and how SHIELD has been corrupted. I doubt it'll go any easier when he finds out that there are micro cameras that have been snuck into the Xavier Institute, Avengers Tower, Four Freedoms Plaza, even the Thunderbolt's HQ, secretly by the government. If Cap doesn't lead the government forces than my next choice is Spider-woman. She's a SHIELD agent, and she's been harboring too many serects lately.


But if Cap does lead the gov forces, then who would lead the anti-gov forces from the Avengers?

Apparently members of Alpha FLight will be in this, so I will pick it up. My money is they will job.....job like their lives depended on it.

Yeah making Cap the leader of the pro Gov forces would be really obvious. Maybe he will be so divided on who to join throughout the story.

My bet's on Spider-woman since I doubt Tony would want to make his identity public neither would peter. Luke wouldn't care about making his identity public but he wouldn't like being told that he has to. He's not the guy you force to do anything he doesn't decide for himself. And wolverine would see this as the mutant registration act and decide to against just on that.


Now that leaves the leader of the other side. The likely choice would be either Ironman or Cap. But who knows they might come out of nowhere and make Spider-man the leader. It would be kind of nice to finally step into the spotlight and have something happened to him that didn't involved him loosing an organ,or family member,or go through the crap Marvel seems to love to put him through.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Okay, we all know that for years now, Marvel and DC have these major summer crossover events take place. Most of Marvel's summer events have revolved around mutants, and just happen to touch on other non-mutant characters here and there. Not next year. Next year, the only character that won't be pulled into it will be the Hulk (and that's only because he's going to be stuck on another planet for the majority of it).

For years now, there have been fears that the government was going to pass that "Mutant Registration Act" into law. Now, with the events of last year with Wanda and the House of M, it was almost certain that the government was going to do something. But what happens surprises everyone.

Instead of a "Mutant Registration Act" the government passes a "Superhero Registration Act" into law. It mandates that all superheroes relinquish their secret identities and register themselves with the government, or face life imprisonment.

The superhero community will be sharply divided over this, and every superhero team from the Avengers to the X-Men will end up divided.

From the ranks of the Avengers two people will arrise. One leading the side of those who sided with the government's new law, one leading the side against the new law.

New teams will be formed and heroes will end up fighting against former friends and teammates. And with hero fighting hero, it'll make it harder to decide who to root for.

Also a Galactus level threat will make it's presense known: "The Collective." (What? I know you didn't think that all that energy and power from mutants who lost their abilities didn't just go nowhere.)

As for my ideas? Captain America would seem to be the obvious choice to lead those loyal to the government. But maybe it's too obvious a choice. He has been pretty vocal lately about not likeing how things have been going, and how SHIELD has been corrupted. I doubt it'll go any easier when he finds out that there are micro cameras that have been snuck into the Xavier Institute, Avengers Tower, Four Freedoms Plaza, even the Thunderbolt's HQ, secretly by the government. If Cap doesn't lead the government forces than my next choice is Spider-woman. She's a SHIELD agent, and she's been harboring too many serects lately.


But if Cap does lead the gov forces, then who would lead the anti-gov forces from the Avengers?

And then Brother eye will release the Omacs .... oh woops wrong universe shifty

Hmm...seems interesting. I will most likely pic this up.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
And then Brother eye will release the Omacs .... oh woops wrong universe shifty

Omacs? Oh you mean those ripoff sentinels

Originally posted by Jose123
Now that leaves the leader of the other side. The likely choice would be either Ironman or Cap. But who knows they might come out of nowhere and make Spider-man the leader. It would be kind of nice to finally step into the spotlight and have something happened to him that didn't involved him loosing an organ,or family member,or go through the crap Marvel seems to love to put him through. You know, I considered Spider-man. I've heard rumors that this "The Other" thing will change him not only physically, but mentally as well. And we know that he wants to protect his secret more than anyone.

Another choice for the pro-govs leader could be Warbird/Ms. Marvel. I've heard that she's coming back to the Avengers fold.

Nothing original here, Superhero registration act, hmmmmmm Watchmen anyone?

I'm definitely picking Spider-Man to lead the Anti-Government team. Ms. Marvel is a good pick for the opposite.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nothing original here, Superhero registration act, hmmmmmm Watchmen anyone? Oh come on now. What is original anymore?

Originally posted by Jose123
Omacs? Oh you mean those ripoff sentinels

I was waiting for that !

Hey, could someone do me a favor? I want to make a poll, but I don't know how. I want the poll to be what Avenger people think will lead each side.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Oh come on now. What is original anymore?

The Ultimates !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
The Ultimates ! You're calling a "reimagining" of old characters and titles original? That's like saying that the new Battlestar Galactica is original.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
You're calling a "reimagining" of old characters and titles original? That's like saying that the new Battlestar Galactica is original.

Story and format ... they might aswell be new characters !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Story and format ... they might aswell be new characters ! Well in that case, "story and format" this is original too.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Well in that case, "story and format" this is original too.

yawn

Format ? ... maybe

Story ? ..... um NO !

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Oh come on now. What is original anymore?

very little

Here's the thing though. Not many Marvel heroes even have secret IDs. The X-Men are all known, the Fantastic Four is well known, the Avengers are known save for Spider-Man and maybe Sentry but practically everyone in Marvel has a government file with all their info on it.

Originally posted by The Ion
Here's the thing though. Not many Marvel heroes even have secret IDs. The X-Men are all known, the Fantastic Four is well known, the Avengers are known save for Spider-Man and maybe Sentry but practically everyone in Marvel has a government file with all their info on it.

Great !

Not all the heros may be fighting to protect their own identities, but rather fighting to protect the identities of their friends. Or more importantly, fighting agaist a law they see as unfair regardless of if it effects them personally or not. The same as you'd expect some non-mutants to protest a mutant registration act.

It's about fighting for what you bvelieve is right. And what you might consider "right" may be no where near what your neighbor considers right.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Not all the heros may be fighting to protect their own identities, but rather fighting to protect the identities of their friends. Or more importantly, fighting agaist a law they see as unfair regardless of if it effects them personally or not. The same as you'd expect some non-mutants to protest a mutant registration act.

It's about fighting for what you bvelieve is right. And what you might consider "right" may be no where near what your neighbor considers right.

"fighting agaist a law they see as unfair regardless of if it effects them personally or not."

They didn't seem to care about the last registration act !

Daredevil is also pretty much exposed, right?

Daredevil gets exposed every week.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Daredevil is also pretty much exposed, right?

A gold star for Dark Crawler

Originally posted by The Ion
Daredevil gets exposed every week.

I don't get that comic, but i would like to read it !

Considering shield has had files on every hero and villain in the MU for years you could say that they never really had secret Identities to begin with. But I don't think the Gov has access to shield files. They are there own thing right?


Anyone want to make a list of people who don't have secret identities anymore?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nothing original here, Superhero registration act, hmmmmmm Watchmen anyone?


correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't watchmen an alternate universe? This will be cool cos its characters we have invested interest in for years............

America Vs JSA. This is the same thing that caused the JSA to disband all those years ago. Irregardless, like said before, nothing is original. All you can hope for is a good writer which Millar definitely is.

Originally posted by Jose123



Anyone want to make a list of people who don't have secret identities anymore?

Captain America (Had on WWII, SHIELD knows evertyhing about him these days)
Pretty much all X-Men (Never had them)
Fantastic Four (Never had them)
Daredevil (Outed to press)
All Avengers except Spider-Man
Namor (Never had one)
Punisher (Known)

Hmm...thats all I can muster in this short time.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Captain America (Had on WWII, SHIELD knows evertyhing about him these days)
Pretty much all X-Men (Never had them)
Fantastic Four (Never had them)
Daredevil (Outed to press)
All Avengers except Spider-Man
Namor (Never had one)
Punisher (Known)

Hmm...thats all I can muster in this short time.
Marvel Earth Vs Spider-Man. Sweet war.

Originally posted by The Ion
America Vs JSA. This is the same thing that caused the JSA to disband all those years ago. Irregardless, like said before, nothing is original. All you can hope for is a good writer which Millar definitely is.

Not the biggest fan of Millar's writing.But I'll still pick this up. Lets just hope he remembers this is 616 universe and not Ultimate universe. I wan't to read the real Cap not the U.S Agent jerk he was writing in Ultimates.

It sounds promising. As long as it's done well, i'll be happy.

Nice sig will !!

Originally posted by Jose123
Not the biggest fan of Millar's writing.But I'll still pick this up. Lets just hope he remembers this is 616 universe and not Ultimate universe. I wan't to read the real Cap not the U.S Agent jerk he was writing in Ultimates.


What??!! I think Ultimate Cap is way cooler than 616!!!!!! he is stronger , faster and his costume is alot cooler..............

Originally posted by willRules
What??!! I think Ultimate Cap is way cooler than 616!!!!!! he is stronger , faster and his costume is alot cooler..............

And he's a big jerk. So all of that combine to make him the U.S agent.

He ain't really a jerk...he's just acting tough.

He's had some rough life...think about it, if your little brother would die before you...that a guy who was one year behind you in class would be old as hell, and you would be thrown into 50 years in future.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3752/notajerk9pn.th.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He ain't really a jerk...he's just acting tough.

He's had some rough life...think about it, if your little brother would die before you...that a guy who was one year behind you in class would be old as hell, and you would be thrown into 50 years in future.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3752/notajerk9pn.th.gif

thats a good touching scene. But the act tough jerky moments outnumber those good moments.

What's particulary jerky?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What's particulary jerky?


Kicking the shit out of Banner after the fight with hulk after he said they were still friends was the the thing that made dislike the character.

Wouldn't have done the same to a guy who had just killed at least eight hundred people?

Originally posted by Jose123
Kicking the shit out of Banner after the fight with hulk after he said they were still friends was the the thing that made dislike the character.


you mean just after banner ate hundreds of people just cos he liked Betty Banner more than a celebrity? cap does what he has to do for his country, it was totally justified. Hulk commited mass murder.......and over a stupid reason................

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wouldn't have done the same to a guy who had just killed at least eight hundred people?


Well if this was 616 Cap wouldn't had need to do that to Banner since 616 hulk doesn't cannibalize people over being horny


And since it was the hulk and not banner who did all of that why would he blame him for it. it's like a split personality he doesn't have control over it and he can't control what he does in hulk form.

Originally posted by Jose123
And since it was the hulk and not banner who did all of that why would he blame him for it. it's like a split personality he doesn't have control over it and he can't control what he does in hulk form.



well there we go, thats what makes the story so interesting, because...

a) does anyone know its a different personality?
b) if they do, do they believe it to be true?
c) he has still commited crimes, so should he be put on trial? Just cos Banner's innoncent, doesn't mean the Hulk should go unpunished.
d) Is Banner telling the truth? in the ultimate universe are they really different personalities or is banner lying?
e) Nick Fury is also concerned about the Ultimates reputation, its not Caps fault that Banner/Hulk killed all those people...........

Can anyone get me the scan of the Civil War poster in Wizard #172. I heard rumors Sasquatch was in the poster and I need to see this, because that means he won't get killed in New Avengers #16

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=99552&page=1&pp=15

civil war promo pic.

Sasquatch looks like a mis colored beast

Originally posted by Jose123
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=99552&page=1&pp=15

civil war promo pic.

Sasquatch looks like a mis colored beast

Yeah I saw it awhile ago and thanks for the link.

After seeing it, it's probally Werewolf by Night and not Sasquatch. I hope Bendis doesn't kill him.

Whatever side Spideys on i'm on

Art looks great. But yeah, Sasquatch looks funny. If that is indeed Sasquatch. It doesn't really look like McNiven's version of Sasquatch drawn for the upcoming Alpha Flight appearance in New Avengers. So it's possible it's a miscolour. Although, he does look a bit big for Beast. Moon Knight looks cool. Iceman looks normal, unlike the funky hair design he's got going on in X-Men atm. Who's the chick with red hair in front of Hulk? Looks like Namor's going to actually be dressed for this event. Is that Warbird next to Fury and Cage? I reckon the person who's completely covered by the rip at the very top is that chick from Runaways. Nova's in his normal costume, but in Annihilation he's getting a costume revamp.


Ok, i'm done over-analyzing the poster.

I'm bored.

Is the red head girl Mary Jane?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Art looks great. But yeah, Sasquatch looks funny. If that is indeed Sasquatch. It doesn't really look like McNiven's version of Sasquatch drawn for the upcoming Alpha Flight appearance in New Avengers. So it's possible it's a miscolour. Although, he does look a bit big for Beast. Moon Knight looks cool. Iceman looks normal, unlike the funky hair design he's got going on in X-Men atm. Who's the chick with red hair in front of Hulk? Looks like Namor's going to actually be dressed for this event. Is that Warbird next to Fury and Cage? I reckon the person who's completely covered by the rip at the very top is that chick from Runaways. Nova's in his normal costume, but in Annihilation he's getting a costume revamp.


Ok, i'm done over-analyzing the poster.

I'm bored.

the girl in between fury and Cage is Scott Lang Daughter.
as for the red hair Girl, I don't know It seems to be mostly heroes. Unless MJ is dressing up in spandex and jumping around NYC it's most probably some B or c lister that I've forgotten.

does anyone know if those are the actually sides that will be taken? or is it just a teaser poster? cuz it could mean all the people on that one side will be on the governments side and the others not.....i dunno im bored....

It could be... But i'd say it's just a promotional pic.

I see Deadpool. I. SEE. DEADPOOL!

Originally posted by Jose123
the girl in between fury and Cage is Scott Lang Daughter.
as for the red hair Girl, I don't know It seems to be mostly heroes. Unless MJ is dressing up in spandex and jumping around NYC it's most probably some B or c lister that I've forgotten.

Jessica Jones?

Originally posted by The Ion
Is the red head girl Mary Jane?
I'm thinking that too. Maybe they decided to add some friction in Spideys homelife too (even though I'm having a hard time seeing them disagreeing on something like this).

why is the surfer right in the middle?
peace keeper........

This sounds freakin awesome.

I am happy.

Originally posted by Marvelgeek
I'm thinking that too. Maybe they decided to add some friction in Spideys homelife too (even though I'm having a hard time seeing them disagreeing on something like this).


I just figured it out it's Medusa!!!!. It would make sense because she's right next to Gorgon and BlackBolt

Spidey leader of the Anti Gov League. Sounds cool.
No one will stop Spidey, he will sting all up and feed on their heads!!!!!
Muhahahahaha

Joe Fridays over at Newsarama revealed the leaders.

Captain America and Iron Man

on opposite sides?

Yup.

well the way i see it maybe marvel, is finally gettin around to justifying marvel 2099, cuz that era is the whole superhero reg. act.. and heroes who are not registered are hunted down by sentinels...scaled down versions, about 10 feet tall. so maybe next summer or whenever, will be the catalyst that leads up to 2099

so which one is for government control and which ones not?

Cap came out to the world as Steve Rogers yet Iron Man went through a lot of trouble to convince the public he was no longer Iron Man so I assume Cap is on Team Government while Iron Man is Anti-Gov't.

Isn't this already pointless? wasn't "Identity Disc" basically the exact same idea. SHIELD already has all the heroes identities on a disc.

Hmm. But are they really positioned correctly in the pic? Cus if Cap's for and Iron man's against it kinda screwed up the separation I figured (which could be wrong).
I thought the right side would be more inclined for it and the left side against. This is provided, of course that their positions mean anything.
Maybe we should try to go through it logically, what character we have strong arguments for being on either side.

Whose side are you on?

Are you on the side of Super Hero registration? Do you want the public to be aware of who has what powers and what they are capable of? Would you feel safer if the government had contigency plans just in case of of them went loco?

Or are you against it? You understand that if the heroes were to reveal their identities not only would their lives be destroyed, they would be unable to get them back. Loved ones would become targets. Those who need day jobs wouldn't get them because other people wouldn't want to be targets. Not to mention the fact that they will have no private life or any place to hide. Heck, Heroes wouldnt' even need costumes anymore..

Whose side are you on?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Whose side are you on?

Are you on the side of Super Hero registration? Do you want the public to be aware of who has what powers and what they are capable of? Would you feel safer if the government had contigency plans just in case of of them went loco?

Or are you against it? You understand that if the heroes were to reveal their identities not only would their lives be destroyed, they would be unable to get them back. Loved ones would become targets. Those who need day jobs wouldn't get them because other people wouldn't want to be targets. Not to mention the fact that they will have no private life or any place to hide. Heck, Heroes wouldnt' even need costumes anymore..

Whose side are you on? cool post.

I think maybe at least the rift between Reed and the rest of FF could mean something. Reed's the kind of person that would back up things if it seems logical, and the rest of the team could totaly oppose him and have more of a emotional POV.
Cyke I could possibly see for. Maybe Wolvie. And honestly Most Avengers r probly for it.
Like I see it if the pic is meant to mean something. Right-For/Left-Against (but cap-Iron man... )

of the two red headed chicks one is MJ and the other is black widow

Originally posted by manjaro
of the two red headed chicks one is MJ and the other is black widow

You sure? I could have sworn it was Medusa. Since she's right in the middle of Black Bolt and Gorgon.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Isn't this already pointless? wasn't "Identity Disc" basically the exact same idea. SHIELD already has all the heroes identities on a disc. What if it's more than just a revelation to SHIELD? What if the new law means that every hero must present their identity to the general public?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
What if it's more than just a revelation to SHIELD? What if the new law means that every hero must present their identity to the general public?

It's shield that has all of the information right? Not the U.S gov. There two different things shield is it's own thing.

Shield is related to the United Nations, aren't they?

Originally posted by The Ion
Shield is related to the United Nations, aren't they?

I thought they were there own separate thing?

Usually led by Nick Fury as Executive Director, this organization often operates as much as a covert agency as a quasi-military one, initially depicted as affiliated with the United States government, and in later years under the jurisdiction of the United Nations, with vast technological resources at their disposal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHIELD

Does shield have all secret identities?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Does shield have all secret identities?

This is SHIELD. They know everything.
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And I mean everything.

If they knew everything they wouldn't be getting chumped by H.Y.D.R.A. and every other villain who feels like punking them all the time.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
If they knew everything they wouldn't be getting chumped by H.Y.D.R.A. and every other villain who feels like punking them all the time.

Depends what you mean by everything. Do you mean secrete identities and were most villains and heroes live what they do on a daily basis and their social and private lives and ways to defeat most of them then yes.
They do know those things.


Getting chumped by Hydra and every other villain?
what other villain?

The Avengers and shield alway end up defeating Hydra. I guess you can say avengers and SHIELD always chump Hydra.

If we go by Wolverine continuity.

SHIELD is pretty much destroyed. Northstar and his team put them out of comission. Nick Fury is in the hospital.

HYDRA wins that one I guess. To be fair, the Avengers weren't there.

SHIELD knows a lot; no doubt. I don't think they know "everything" though.

At any rate, I think SHIELD is used more as a plot device than anything else. An army to get beat up until the super heroes arrive.

Northstar messed him up good

dude this is gonna be ****ing sweet! The only thing i dont really like is how Herc and Thing, my 2 favorite powerhouses, are on different sides....and where's Genis?? This is gonna be awesome....i cant wait to see a Surfer/Sentry/Genis confrontation, the classic rivalries of Thing/Hulk, Namor/Hercules, and Wonder Man/Atlas re-emerge...Seriously tho....the left side has Sentry and Surfer and Genis (i suppose) are undecided....but all 3 of them cant go on the same side.....that wouldnt be fair....

plus McNiven is my all-time-favorite artist......this is AWESOME!