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Sion is a better swordsman, IMO. He has incredible strength and ability for someone who's been severely crippled, his pain giving him power.

Yoda would be a good fight for him, but Sion would shove him aside pretty easily.

I don't see Sion giving Yoda to much trouble. Yoda is so wise and has 900 years experience, he'd realise if he couldn't beat him in a purely physical battle and try to mess with Sion's mind.

who the heck is Yoda?

In a lightsaber battle Yoda would land a few hits, but Sion wouldn't care.
And I just don't see Yoda messing with Sion's mind, he doesn't know a thing about him. So I think Sion would eventually kill Yoda.

Sion would probably be knocked out for the count and be imprissoned. However if this was a fight to death, well then Yoda would eventually die. But I just don't see Sion have the power to stand up against somebody like Yoda in a fight. He has lightsaber skills but he's an assassin that tricks and cheats and surrounds and ambushes, he has a hard time dying yet still his control over the force doesn't strike me as amazing he didn't do anything except for keep his body together which is really impressive thats even close to impressive.

And we don't know how he is keeping his body together or how much power he still has left, Yoda could take him down.. Perhaps not kill him, but still take him down.

I think Sion

Originally posted by Fishy
Sion would probably be knocked out for the count and be imprissoned. However if this was a fight to death, well then Yoda would eventually die. But I just don't see Sion have the power to stand up against somebody like Yoda in a fight. He has lightsaber skills but he's an assassin that tricks and cheats and surrounds and ambushes, he has a hard time dying yet still his control over the force doesn't strike me as amazing he didn't do anything except for keep his body together which is really impressive thats even close to impressive.

And we don't know how he is keeping his body together or how much power he still has left, Yoda could take him down.. Perhaps not kill him, but still take him down.

I don't know, I have never seen him be taken down, he says himself that "I can die a hundred times and still rise", nothing about "7 times then I usually get knocked down".

I agree we don't know much but from what we know he is damn near invinsible and I don't think some strikes would knock him out, pain is what he lives by so he can't feel any more than he already does, I think his body could handel it.

Or did I miss something?

Originally posted by kamikz
I don't know, I have never seen him be taken down, he says himself that "I can die a hundred times and still rise", nothing about "7 times then I usually get knocked down".

I agree we don't know much but from what we know he is damn near invinsible and I don't think some strikes would knock him out, pain is what he lives by so he can't feel any more than he already does, I think his body could handel it.

Or did I miss something?

No, but I do think Yoda is superior with a lightsaber and with the force. It would not be impossible to knock him out with some kind of force technique, freeze him or something and then just capture him... Yoda does not have to lose just because he can't die.

Originally posted by Fishy
No, but I do think Yoda is superior with a lightsaber and with the force. It would not be impossible to knock him out with some kind of force technique, freeze him or something and then just capture him... Yoda does not have to lose just because he can't die.

Yoda can't freeze him.

When Yoda destroys Sion's saber, which I think is possible for him, I don't see Sion inflicting much damage. Then Yoda could let the ceiling come down and Sion would be burried. But I still think Sion has the advantage.

Sion wins by default. Not only that, Yoda will be battling Sion for ages. Yoda was out of breath after half a minute of fighting Dooku. Sion is by all means a superior fighter to Dooku, Yoda will tire out fairly quickly and then Sion will kill him.

I wonder, is The Exile, Kreia and Nihilus the only people who can kill Sion?

No, technically anyone who is intelligent can figure out Sion's weakness and kill him.

Sion really doesnt have a weakness

It's above your head, it requires thinking.

No, actually Sion's weakness is his reliance on his will. The Exile was in a position to erode that will, no one else.

It takes a lot to kill Sion, only if you reduce his will(as far as KOTOR is concerned) can he be taken out.As for Yoda, he's nearly fu*king impossible to kill, he is like a green dot just jumping around, I never understood how he didn't win in the fight against Sidious. I don't understand how can he be stabbed

I think Sion takes it, but just bearly.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Sion wins by default. Not only that, Yoda will be battling Sion for ages. Yoda was out of breath after half a minute of fighting Dooku. Sion is by all means a superior fighter to Dooku, Yoda will tire out fairly quickly and then Sion will kill him. And yet Yoda fought Sidious for much longer than half a minute and used much more force power in that fight than he did against Dooku. How about chalking the "out of breath" Yoda to just good acting on Frank Oz's part, hmmm?

He could draw on the Force for as long as he needed to put Sion away, he has to much experience to lose this fight. He isn't going to relentlessly try and attack an opponent who can't be beat physically until he tires himself out, hes not stupid. He'd figure out Sion's weakness and work on it, once hes figured out how to beat Sion he wouldn't even need to do his Sonic the Hedgehog routine and it would be a walk in the park.

What is this weakness then? How would Yoda exploit it?

Well my only real knowledge of Sion is from the KOTOR2 game, I have no idea if he has appeared in any other forms of EU, but in that you basically cannot beat him physically, everytime you strike him down he gets back up (and its not even that hard to knock him down), instead you use persuasion techniques and make him question his beliefs until he basically gives up. Which to me seems right up Yoda's street, like when he absorbed Dooku's lightning like it was nothing and told him he had much to learn, he'd just keep doing and saying things along those lines, messing with Sion's head with persuasion powers, and telling him his faith in the Darkside is misplaced and he'd just give up. It might not be quite that easy, but Yoda would win, he has to much experience, wisdom and power.

That wouldnt work sion isnt stupid hed just keep getting angryer and would become more powerful

Oh yeah cause that didn't work in KoToR2

No it didn't. Sion lost because of Kreia and her love for the Exile. There are three people out there that could destroy Sion his will. One did, the other was his master and the third is somebody whose existence we can not even verify during Kotor II.

Yoda could never break Sion his will

You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played KOTOR2 in a while, but I don't recall it being said that only the Exile, Kreia, and Revan were the only ones who could defeat him. I also don't believe the only way to break Sion's will was through Kreia, it seemed to me to be more about making him question his devotion to the Darkside, and his own power, I'll have to go through it again to remember the exact dialogue from the fight (unless someone knows it off by heart and wants to post it here).

Regardless, I don't see Yoda losing. Sion wasn't a difficult opponent to beat in the game, as soon as you realise what kind of things you need to say its simple, I don't think I ever lost to him in any encounter.

Originally posted by Wally West
You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played KOTOR2 in a while, but I don't recall it being said that only the Exile, Kreia, and Revan were the only ones who could defeat him. I also don't believe the only way to break Sion's will was through Kreia, it seemed to me to be more about making him question his devotion to the Darkside, and his own power, I'll have to go through it again to remember the exact dialogue from the fight (unless someone knows it off by heart and wants to post it here).

Regardless, I don't see Yoda losing. Sion wasn't a difficult opponent to beat in the game, as soon as you realise what kind of things you need to say its simple, I don't think I ever lost to him in any encounter.

You are wrong

Throughout the entire time you are takling to him, you are talking about how Kreia loves you more and how he is nothing. Sion loses because of that and because he realises it is true.

Seeing as his entire will to live depends on what Kreia thinks its kinda obvious that she could also destroy his will. And if you have listened to Kreia when she spoke about Revan and the hatred in Sion his voice when he spoke about her first... Well its obvious that Revan could do the same. Others have nothing on Sion, he has no reason to live except for Kreia... Strange as it might be. If you have nothing on Kreia you have nothing on Sion and therefor you can not destroy his will.

Yoda beating him however is still very possible if you ask me.

Originally posted by Fishy
Throughout the entire time you are takling to him, you are talking about how Kreia loves you more and how he is nothing. Sion loses because of that and because he realises it is true. I guess we are interpreting things a little differently. Like you point you you're making him believe he is nothing and not as powerful as he believes, you do that by talking about how Kreia has chosen you but I think the principal remains that you are making him question himself, I think Sion can be defeated in a similar way even without knowledge of Kreia. You have to make him question his power which erodes his will, and I think Yoda could do that. But, to each their own, I don't think Sion is invincible to all but the 3 you mention, we'll just have to disagree

I doubt Yoda would break his will.

He lost because of what Fishy said, Kreia. You can't just simply say "Sion, your life is shit, why don't you give up and the pain will be over". He gave up because he had no reason to live anymore and there is no way Yoda could exploit that.

Also, Sion is a very good swordsman and also strong with the force and force powers. Even though Yoda is stronger in both he will have some difficult with deflecting the force powers and then getting some hits on him. And I don't think he will realise directly when he hits him the first time that he is nearly invincible, but instead keep fighting. Yoda can't hold on forever.

The only way Yoda could win is by knocking him out but I can't see that happend really.

Kamikz is right, he only has one reason to live... Yoda doesn't have anything on Sion.

Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?

Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?

Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces

I surely hope this is a joke.

Everyone acts like Sion has an easily bruised ego. Nonsense. Now, stop blowing smoke up everyone's collective ass with this Yoda pwnz teh noobs crap.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda is about several hundred times stronger than Sion with a talent for CRUSHING evil people's wills. Ever read Dark Rendevous?

Yoda takes this. One little glimpse into Sion using the force, a few choice words and Sion crumpling to the floor. Yoda's much brighter than the Exile, much more eloquent and much stronger....either that, or Sion'd be sliced into several dozen pieces

"Sliced up into several dozen pieces." !?

WTF?

Sion in invincible.

By what? KOTOR's gameplay mechanics when it takes five hits to slice through a kinrath?

You wouldn't think Dooku had a bruised ego either....Yoda tends to take people down rather easily. Sion was hardly that strong to begin with.

I half agree with Lightsnake on this one. I don't think that Yoda would stand a chance of breaking Sion's will, if only because he has no prior relationship with him. However, he is more than Sion's equal in lightsaber or force abilities. So it all comes down to how much dmg can Sion take. If he is cut up into numerous separated pieces, can he pull himself back together? I just don't know.

Originally posted by Pwned61
I half agree with Lightsnake on this one. I don't think that Yoda would stand a chance of breaking Sion's will, if only because he has no prior relationship with him. However, he is more than Sion's equal in lightsaber or force abilities. So it all comes down to how much dmg can Sion take. If he is cut up into numerous separated pieces, can he pull himself back together? I just don't know.

A fair enough answer. As it stands, we don't know enough. It seems implied that he can take a great deal of damage and still keep kicking, but it's unproven.

Just don't associate yourself too much with Lightsnake; he's the biggest fanboy I have ever seen.

PWned knows me VERY well from another board, my dear Guardian. You may want to check out your arguments by the by. When you can deal with official sources, lemme know

I do know you lightsnake, I know you're very knowlegable, very methodic, and I know you can be really cool. Alas, I also know you can get a little carried away. All I'm asking is that you pull it back a bit. Flame only after being flamed upon, just remember that winning a debate is fun, but winning with a smile on your face is even better.

I haven't seen any official sources, Lightsnake. Just you strutting around here like you're royalty and not proving a damn thing.

sion could have more than one weakness: When Yoda finds the right topic, even on the futility of the Dark Side like he did with Dooku in Dark Rendevous? Bam, nailed...ever seen a Dark Side Yoda? Terrifying prospect

Unfortunately, neither have you. Yoda's flirting with the dark side was never demonstrated, even in Dark Rendevous. So stop dreaming.

Except it was when Yoda showed Dooku what'd happen if Yoda ever turned to the dark Side

Yoda didn't show him anything; it was Dooku's own imagination.

Thanks to Yoda. You think the 'Give me my rose' was part of an illusion?

Originally posted by Blind Guardian
Yoda didn't show him anything; it was Dooku's own imagination.

So the sheer immensity of Dark Yoda's Force power that Dooku sensed was simply his imagination?

Considering that besides that, we also have Dark Yoda speaking, and even changing hue(for whatever reason), I'd like to say that it was in there to, plot wise, show Dooku exactly what he was dealing with, and what he *could* be dealing with.

but i read somewere that in his meditation after knowing that dooku was dark, he DID go dark just to know why such a good jedi went bad.
after that i think yoda recalled some memories and projected them to dooku thereby scaring the crap outa him.
after that, by showing the will power to return to light yoda proved impervious to the seductions of the dark side, thats why he was able to live in such a dark place like dagoba, he's like " been there, done that"

Originally posted by Lightsnake
sion could have more than one weakness: When Yoda finds the right topic, even on the futility of the Dark Side like he did with Dooku in Dark Rendevous? Bam, nailed...ever seen a Dark Side Yoda? Terrifying prospect

Sion does not have more then one weakness, he has one reason to live. That reason is Kreia. That is his weakness, simple as that.

Sion is also the leader of the Sith Assassins meaning that just like all other assassins he drains the force from those he fights. Meaning that Yoda will just get weaker throughout the fight while Sion will not.

There is also no evidence to show that Sion his body can break, if anything its the exact opposite. He had every bone is his body broken and his body is cut into billions of pieces and he still stands. He does this by the force alone... His lightsaber abiliity's and his force command are probably not on Yoda his level. But I don't see Yoda taking him down. Kreia does not love Yoda, Sion has no reason to hate Yoda.

Yoda can't destroy the force or rip it from Sion his body, Sion on the other hand constantly does that against Yoda. Yoda isn't superior enough with a lightsaber to take him down either. Yoda is more powerful but probably can't win.

Originally posted by Fishy
Sion does not have more then one weakness, he has one reason to live. That reason is Kreia. That is his weakness, simple as that.

To say this is foolish. If Sion believed he could not win, but would be simply defeated and come back over and over again, he would lose hope and die. Or if he runs out of matter. He can't come back if his ability to use the force is cut off by say, the severing of his head or a lightsaber strike vaporizing his brain.

Originally posted by Fishy
Sion is also the leader of the Sith Assassins meaning that just like all other assassins he drains the force from those he fights. Meaning that Yoda will just get weaker throughout the fight while Sion will not.

Just because he leads the assassins doesn't mean he drains the force as they do. Sion was a Jedi, then Sith, not one of them.

Originally posted by Fishy
There is also no evidence to show that Sion his body can break, if anything its the exact opposite. He had every bone is his body broken and his body is cut into billions of pieces and he still stands. He does this by the force alone... His lightsaber abiliity's and his force command are probably not on Yoda his level. But I don't see Yoda taking him down. Kreia does not love Yoda, Sion has no reason to hate Yoda.

A lightsaber strike will vaporize the part of his body it touches. If it didn't, Sion would never have been defeated and then come back, he would simply de undefeatable in KOTOR.

Originally posted by Fishy
Yoda can't destroy the force or rip it from Sion his body, Sion on the other hand constantly does that against Yoda. Yoda isn't superior enough with a lightsaber to take him down either. Yoda is more powerful but probably can't win.

There is no real indication that Sion drains the force. It's little more then poorly supported speculation.
The Exile had to defeat him at least once to win the game. Malak should be able to pretty well take the Exile since he was Revan's apprentice and the second strongest in the order, and most would argue Yoda could take him.
Sion can't regenerate what matter is varporized by a lightsaber strike. Yoda would win after a very long and tough fight.

To say this is foolish. If Sion believed he could not win, but would be simply defeated and come back over and over again, he would lose hope and die. Or if he runs out of matter. He can't come back if his ability to use the force is cut off by say, the severing of his head or a lightsaber strike vaporizing his brain.

Lose hope to win? How long do you think Yoda will last? Not forever, he'll get tired and there is a big chance that Yoda will think he can not win before Sion thinks that. Especially because Yoda has no idea of Sion his ability's. And just look at your sig, the guy is cut up in a million pieces. Its described as if thousands of vibroblades cut every part of his body but for some reason he is still in tact. Its all to possible that he can't be cut up, and if he can then how big is the chance that Yoda will take his body part. He is not a weak lightsaber dueller. And Yoda isn't a good attacker as we have seen in his fights, he takes his sweet ass time.

Just because he leads the assassins doesn't mean he drains the force as they do. Sion was a Jedi, then Sith, not one of them.

Those assassins used to be Jedi and then became Sith, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

And to quote Kreia. The Sith Assassins drain the force as well to fill the hollow places where the force used to be. Sion is one of those guys, we know Nihilus took out Sion once and we know that Sion surrounds his opponents and weakens them before fighting. His assassins who fight like him did so with Lona Vash, and on the Harbringer This is how Sion works.

A lightsaber strike will vaporize the part of his body it touches. If it didn't, Sion would never have been defeated and then come back, he would simply de undefeatable in KOTOR.

When the Exile faced him on Korriban Kreia told him to run, even when he was winning the fight because Sion could not die. Kreia knows that the only way to kill Sion is to either drain the force from his body or to defeat his will. Its the only real explanation for Sion. It is possible that his body can be cut, but unlikely. If that were the case it is strange that he still has all his limbs because he was cut many, many times.


There is no real indication that Sion drains the force. It's little more then poorly supported speculation.
The Exile had to defeat him at least once to win the game. Malak should be able to pretty well take the Exile since he was Revan's apprentice and the second strongest in the order, and most would argue Yoda could take him.
Sion can't regenerate what matter is varporized by a lightsaber strike. Yoda would win after a very long and tough fight.

Only thing is Kreia says he does. The Exile did defeat him through his willpower, yes. If he really defeated Sion in a fight can be doubted, bbut he probably did. And yet still Sion stood. Meaning what? That either the Exile was an idiot and didn't try to cut of arms hands heads or whatever or that it was impossible. Yoda is more powerful and he might win this fight, but on the other hand Sion has a few advantages that can not be ignored. He could very well be unbreakable. In a fight to the death that makes Sion win...

Yoda would smash sion's lightsaber then he would be no match for yoda

Originally posted by Nilky
Yoda would smash sion's lightsaber then he would be no match for yoda


There is only one thing that can be said to something as ridiculous as this...


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Yoda would win. Sion was defeated by the Exile, meaning he can be beaten. Ok he did keep ressurecting but was still beaten. Yoda has more control of the force than the Exile and has better lightsaber skills(I don't want to get into a Exile vs Yoda debate cause we all know the KOTOR fanboys hate having their KOTOR gods questioned).

Now I admit I am a fanboy for the movies and the EU with the exception of KOTOR. I did not mind the game but the storyline left me cold. How can we be sure what powers Revan, Exile etc have when it is up to the user to decide? I don't believe KOTOR belongs in the EU - just my opinion but I think it should be an infinite-type storyline.

Hmm...do we really know how Sion works ? I might be wrong but I thin KotoR II says that nearly every bone in his body was broken and he just managed to remain "alive" using the force to keep that parts together. The only "wounds" he has is some on his chest and the right side of his face. Yet everything else seems to be just minor cuts.

I personally don't think that he can manage to keep parts of his body in place if they get cut off with a lightsaber. And the KotoR game design doesn't allow to cut body parts off or cut people into pieces. So the Exile basically only caused enough "wounds" on his / her enemies to kill them.

And we basically know that Sion can't keep body parts in function if they are destroyed. Kreia at the Harbinger basically threads him as if he's physically blind which might be possible if you look at his face (right eye is gone) and while he might be able to survive "normal" lightsaber hits, blaster hits (that wound on his chest appears as if a blaster did hit him there - same with his face) I don't think that he can keep parts of his body if they are "cut off". So Yoda might be able to "slice him into pieces" which possibly won't kill him but making it impossible for Sion to continue fighting.

If that's the case Yoda might very will win because he seems to be the superior lightsaber duellist and force user.

Nai, if Sion could be killed by strategically destroying his vital organs, then the Exile would have done so.

Why do people use Sion's will against him in these versus threads. Just because the Exile broke his will. That's is like using the fact that Xanatos committed suicide against him. It's just stupid. Any-body's will can be broken.

The Exile didn't know enough about him at the time and didn't know about his incredible ability. Sion probably also protects his vital organs with the force, so it wouldn't be too easy too use the force to destroy them, but I am sure someone with enough mastery over the force would be able to. Yoda possibly.

Probably someone a lot greater than Yoda actually.

Like Nihilus, Ragnos, Sadow, NJO Luke etc.

Revan as well because it is likely that he becomes incredible after KOTOR. With the amount of artifacts he collected like Ajunta Pall's sword and Tulak Hord's Holycron.

Revan would probably make Traya, The Exile, Nihilus, Sion, Ragnos, Sadow, Exar Kun etc. look stupid.

Lmao, six posts in a row. Use the Edit button.

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Originally posted by kingkman
Revan would probably make Traya, The Exile, Nihilus, Sion, Ragnos, Sadow, Exar Kun etc. look stupid.

Shut up, fanboy.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Shut up, fanboy.

Pwnt.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Nai, if Sion could be killed by strategically destroying his vital organs, then the Exile would have done so.

Who was talking about vital organs ? I was talking about "cut him into pieces" to disable him enough that he can't continue fighting. I personally don't see him pulling a Durge here and have his arms or legs grow back on his body or remain in position after seperating them from it since we have seen that some parts of his body were simply "gone" already.

Yeah but gameplay aside... wouldn't it be logical for the Exile who fought him twice to aim for his body parts. I mean he was the superior fighter and even a Jedi is allowed to take off somebody his hands if that is needed in a fight, so why wouldn't he?

Originally posted by Fishy
Yeah but gameplay aside... wouldn't it be logical for the Exile who fought him twice to aim for his body parts. I mean he was the superior fighter and even a Jedi is allowed to take off somebody his hands if that is needed in a fight, so why wouldn't he?

Well...how long did they fight ? First time Kreia interrupted them and the second time the Exile broke Sion's will. And we have basically seen that Sion can't keep parts of his body where they are in case they are cut off or "vaporized" (considering a blaster hit).

I think everyone's making unsupported assumptions when dealing with Sion and declaring it evident and logical truth. This is not the case.

Sion's body is described literally as being "broken, fractured" and obviously burnt and scarred in thousands of different places. I don't need to bust into a medical lesson to remind everyone how infeasible it is for a body to remain like that without almost supernatural aid. And indeed, Sion is described many times as surviving through his sheer will and control of the Force alone. It is only when he gives up the will to live and survive that he falls apart.

What instances are there of Sion being susceptible to blaster bolts? None. Lightsaber strikes? None. If anything, why would the Exile be forced into fighting Sion's will when he could be reasonably hacking his body into pieces? Wouldn't hacking Sion apart be easier? Or something else like kicking him into the Malachor V core?

I think you guys need to add conditionals to your observations on Sion; specifically, IF Sion can be hacked part THEN Person A may/may not be able to do it. Otherwise, you need to prove that Sion's will and power of the Force can be overcome by a lightsaber (When canonically it never was.)

sion would so win because he can just keep regenerating. if you cut up yoda he would die.

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Originally posted by Darth Traya
Nai, if Sion could be killed by strategically destroying his vital organs, then the Exile would have done so.

Easier said than done. The Exile was a much greater duelist than Darth Sion but that doesn't mean than Sion couldn't have defended his vital organs properly. He's not just some shit ass duelist.

Originally posted by kingkman
Easier said than done. The Exile was a much greater duelist than Darth Sion but that doesn't mean than Sion couldn't have defended his vital organs properly. He's not just some shit ass duelist.

This ties into Janus' post. If the Exile was the superior duelist to Sion, then why was the Exile forced to erode Sion's will instead of hacking him to pieces?

He was 'forced' to break Sion because he wasn't able to hack him into pieces. He was a better duelist than Sion but wasn't good enough to hack him into pieces.

That begs for proof there.

If the Exile was better (Debatable... certainly not proven canonically, unless you consider Battle Precog enough to make Exile > Sion in lightsaber combat), why would he not be able to simply bisect Sion or lop off a hand?

Originally posted by Darth Traya
This ties into Janus' post.

Why don't you let Janus try to prove me wrong?

I think he just did.

Why don't you do it right now chump?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Apparently you can't respond directly to my points above. This is probably because you're a multi-posting noob and overall moron. So please, stfu and go away.

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Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I think everyone's making unsupported assumptions when dealing with Sion and declaring it evident and logical truth. This is not the case.

Sion's body is described literally as being "broken, fractured" and obviously burnt and scarred in thousands of different places. I don't need to bust into a medical lesson to remind everyone how infeasible it is for a body to remain like that without almost supernatural aid. And indeed, Sion is described many times as surviving through his sheer will and control of the Force alone. It is only when he gives up the will to live and survive that he falls apart.

What instances are there of Sion being susceptible to blaster bolts? None. Lightsaber strikes? None. If anything, why would the Exile be forced into fighting Sion's will when he could be reasonably hacking his body into pieces? Wouldn't hacking Sion apart be easier? Or something else like kicking him into the Malachor V core?

I think you guys need to add conditionals to your observations on Sion; specifically, IF Sion can be hacked part THEN Person A may/may not be able to do it. Otherwise, you need to prove that Sion's will and power of the Force can be overcome by a lightsaber (When canonically it never was.)

Way to quote.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
That begs for proof there.

If the Exile was better (Debatable... certainly not proven canonically, unless you consider Battle Precog enough to make Exile > Sion in lightsaber combat), why would he not be able to simply bisect Sion or lop off a hand?

The fact that The Exile was repeatedly able to beat Sion in a lightsaber duel basically proves that he was a better duelist.

So you think that every time the Exile lowered his -health bar- that it's a direct victory over Sion in lightsaber combat? I don't see that as logical at all.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
So you think that every time the Exile lowered his -health bar- that it's a direct victory over Sion in lightsaber combat? I don't see that as logical at all.

Yes, I do think that it is logical that when The Exile fully depletes an enemy's health bar, he defeats them as they do tend to die you fool. How is that not logical?

It's a game mechanic. By this logic Brianna the Handmaiden killed Atris, but Atris then apparently had Wolverine's mutant healing factor and survived, only to pwn Brianna with force lightning.

Health bars are a game mechanic to show the player how close they are to completing the battle, not how dead the opponent is.

You're the fool here.

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Firstly, the last time that I played KOTOR was about a year ago so don't just dish out random facts that have hardly any evidence to the argument. 99% of the time the health bar represents the amount of life the oponent has and when the bar is fully depleted, the opponent has no more energy and so dies. This is during normal combat. The 1% represents the boss battles.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Health bars are a game mechanic to show the player how close they are to completing the battle, not how dead the opponent is.


I didn't say they represent how "dead" someone is, I said they represent an opponent's life, which is true.

Which Sion is a boss. There you have it. You just pwned your own argument.

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Originally posted by kingkman
I didn't say they represent how "dead" someone is, I said they represent an opponent's life, which is true.

No, they don't... because the Handmaiden lowers Atris' lifebar entirely and Atris merely pwns her and then fights the exile... with a brand new health bar. It's a game mechanic. Don't argue game mechanics.

If you had read my comment from above, you would see that I said 99% of the time. The 1% represented boss battles and this was due to things such as dialogue afterwards or the boss coming back at a later stage. Atris is a boss you idiot.

Originally posted by kingkman
If you had read my comment from above, you would see that I said 99% of the time. The 1% represented boss battles and this was due to things such as dialogue afterwards or the boss coming back at a later stage. Atris is a boss you idiot.

You are dense, and a waste of my time.

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Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Which Sion is a boss. There you have it. You just pwned your own argument.



Explain how i just pwnd my own argument.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
You are dense, and a waste of my time.

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You were wrong and can't take it.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
So you think that every time the Exile lowered his -health bar- that it's a direct victory over Sion in lightsaber combat? I don't see that as logical at all.

You obviously do not know how to interpret the way KOTOR worked at all do you. Please explain how you interpret the way duels work in KOTOR because you seem to be way off of the mark here.

Okay, since you appear to be an idiot, let me do this as simple as possible.

1- You have established that boss fights account for the 1% of KOTOR game fights where the health bar is not reflective of the actual health/life/closeness to death of the bosses portrayed. In other words, the little red bar thingy going down doesn't mean the Exile is killing them. After all, he has to slash them multiple times for it to go down. Realistically, they would be in pieces.

2- Atris is a boss. Sion is also a boss.

3- Atris demonstrates the validity of your earlier claim; that is, health bars aren't reflective of how close to dying or whether or not they are killed when it comes to boss characters.

4- Again, Sion is also a boss.

5- Therefore, it is foolish to assume that the Exile pwned Sion in lightsaber combat -just because his lifebar went down to nothing-.

This also weakens your earlier claim that the Exile was better than Sion but he could not hack Sion to bits because apparently, while he was better than Sion, he wasn't good enough to hack off any limbs. So he talked him to death.

Yes, that was a stupid assumption you made. Now, you've successfully self-owned yourself. Have a nice day.

Janus just WTFOMFGpwned you, Kingman...

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Therefore, it is foolish to assume that the Exile pwned Sion in lightsaber combat -just because his lifebar went down to nothing-.


Why is it foolish to assume that? You mentioned earlier that "Health bars are a game mechanic to show the player how close they are to completing the battle", in other words how close they are to defeating the opponent, whether it is temporary or permanent. And because of the fact that The Exile depleted his life force about 5 times at least, in other words defeating him at least five times (as soon as the Exile defeats him, Sion rejuvenates his life force), I think it is safe to logically say that he "pwned" Sion.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Janus just WTFOMFGpwned you, Kingman...

Tell me one thing that Janus has said about the argument that I have not logically replied to. Is it because he says lame one liners at the end of his argument that geeks like you seem to find hilarious? Or those super cool pictures, interesting to see what you do in your spare time janus.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
You are dense, and a waste of my time.

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You do realise you are a 23 year old man on a Star Wars forum trying to take the piss out of a 14 year old with petty insults. You're a bit of a loser, huh. I would tell you to get a life, but I see you already have one, one the internet.

Really Kingman, did you not read Janus' post? In it he explains exactly where you WTFpwned yourself. I suggest that you return to reading class and use some logic next time. Until then, leave

Originally posted by kingkman
You do realise you are a 23 year old man on a Star Wars forum trying to take the piss out of a 14 year old with petty insults. You're a bit of a loser, huh. I would tell you to get a life, but I see you already have one, one the internet.

Oh, I do love the petty insults. When in doubt, reroute.

Well Janus, you have to remember that that is the first law of fanboyism

The Commandments of Fanboyism.

I. Thou shalt not adhere to logic if and when it impedes the progress of your biased argument.

II. Thou shalt insult the opposition as a diversionary tactic when thy arguments are proven horribly false.

III. Thou shalt not admit under any circumstances that thou art lost concerning thy argument.

IV. Thou shalt use hyperbole liberally throughout thy argument.

V. Thou shalt not not reply directly to any well-formulated rebuttals or questions.

VI. Thou shalt always retreat back to an earlier defeated point when thy latest point runs aground.

VII. Thou shalt not respect the equally valid sources of thy opposition and should seek to destroy their credibility with extreme prejudice.

VIII. Thou shalt play the victim when thy argument is being destroyed and thy own personal ignorance coming under fire.

IX. Thou shalt exclusively debate topics which deal with thy most favorite, unreproachable characters.

X. Thou art infallible in so much as thou crusade against the opposition with all the lowly weapons of thy craft.

Amen.

Originally posted by kingkman
You do realise you are a 23 year old man on a Star Wars forum trying to take the piss out of a 14 year old with petty insults. You're a bit of a loser, huh. I would tell you to get a life, but I see you already have one, one the internet.
im 15 and you are a ****ing loser...that better?

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
The Commandments of Fanboyism.

I. Thou shalt not adhere to logic if and when it impedes the progress of your biased argument.

II. Thou shalt insult the opposition as a diversionary tactic when thy arguments are proven horribly false.

III. Thou shalt not admit under any circumstances that thou art lost concerning thy argument.

IV. Thou shalt use hyperbole liberally throughout thy argument.

V. Thou shalt not not reply directly to any well-formulated rebuttals or questions.

VI. Thou shalt always retreat back to an earlier defeated point when thy latest point runs aground.

VII. Thou shalt not respect the equally valid sources of thy opposition and should seek to destroy their credibility with extreme prejudice.

VIII. Thou shalt play the victim when thy argument is being destroyed and thy own personal ignorance coming under fire.

IX. Thou shalt exclusively debate topics which deal with thy most favorite, unreproachable characters.

X. Thou art infallible in so much as thou crusade against the opposition with all the lowly weapons of thy craft.

Amen.


lol, that is great Janus

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
The Commandments of Fanboyism.

I. Thou shalt not adhere to logic if and when it impedes the progress of your biased argument.

II. Thou shalt insult the opposition as a diversionary tactic when thy arguments are proven horribly false.

III. Thou shalt not admit under any circumstances that thou art lost concerning thy argument.

IV. Thou shalt use hyperbole liberally throughout thy argument.

V. Thou shalt not not reply directly to any well-formulated rebuttals or questions.

VI. Thou shalt always retreat back to an earlier defeated point when thy latest point runs aground.

VII. Thou shalt not respect the equally valid sources of thy opposition and should seek to destroy their credibility with extreme prejudice.

VIII. Thou shalt play the victim when thy argument is being destroyed and thy own personal ignorance coming under fire.

IX. Thou shalt exclusively debate topics which deal with thy most favorite, unreproachable characters.

X. Thou art infallible in so much as thou crusade against the opposition with all the lowly weapons of thy craft.

Amen.
Amen.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Which Sion is a boss. There you have it. You just pwned your own argument.

Explain how I just pwned my own argument.

Janus you follow most of those "commandments". In fact I can think of a clear example of you using Commandment #2.

No, I'm not a fanboy. If I insult you, it's because you came here to KMC being hostile awhile ago and you're still antagonistic. I remember you being banned because you went from thread to thread antagonizing people. Don't dish it out if you can't handle it in turn. So please, stfu.

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Originally posted by kingkman
Janus you follow most of those "commandments". In fact I can think of a clear example of you using Commandment #2.

You saying anyone insults people would be a flaming pit of hypocrisy. I wouldn't even go there.