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Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

What do you guys think?

Creating black holes in a lab would be rather dangerous yes? Science will be the end of us...

first playing with antimatter, now this?

sounds interesting!... Hmmmm....

If I had my bizzaro self, it would radicaly speed up the time taken for me to control the world....

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

What do you guys think?

I don't think it would happen. Nor do I think it could happen. Firstly I don't believe we are anywhere near the stage of creating a black hole, even a tiny one, considering the process of how one forms in the universe, and the kind of things required. I mean, tearing the fabric of spacetime? Looking at the pace of science over the last few years, it looks as if we still have some way to climb before getting close to that kind of potential.

Secondly, once a black hole opens, you can't shut it. If one were to form, no matter how small, it would have the potential to cause significant damage, unless they somehow had some way to combat the intense gravitational pull put out by a black holes (the kind of pull that light can't even escape in a normally formed black hole.) This pull might be reduced on a small scale, but it would still be significant. This is unless physics has advanced significantly in the past few years.

Thirdly - I suspect this would require an awesome amount of energy to achieve. And cash. Science is often shafted when it comes to cash, I wonder who would be coughing up the money needed to test something purely hypothetical, terribly dangerous, and most likely going to fail if it were true just to "prove that the universe contains extra dimensions", knowledge which I fear has no actual use other then for knowledges sake, which would be enough for me, but for investors? They invariably want something that'll make money, or get them significant kudos.

That and I don't understand the logic (though I admit I am no physicist) about the only way a man made hole could form is if there are more then three dimensions. What about natural black holes? They don't need more then three dimensions to form? And how does a man made hole prove it? By simply existing?

I certainly am no expert on this either, but the guys (and gals) in the white lab coats may be trying to create a Quantum black hole, something which, gravitationally, would not be a threat to the macroscopic world because, for all its ferocious density, it would still be way too small and way too short-lived. The "energy density" required to make it (in the absence of "real, stay-put" density) is simply not enough to produce anything dangerous.

I imagine the scientists wanna make their own black hole cuz 1) it would give them something "close-up" to study (however briefly); and 2) well, humans being humans, we do like our toys.

Many, many years ago, there was talk about super-duper secret projects involving nothing short of absolutely scifi-caliber stuff. Example - the hyperspatial howitzer. Idea - detonate a nuclear weapon on your turf, but before the explosion has a chance to expand, wormhole it into enemy territory.

Ever verified? No. Cold War propaganda? Probably. And yet...

I'm pretty sure, given the wildest idea, if there is a military application for it, somewhere there is a Won't-Even-Acknowledge-Its-Existence lab working on it. Black Holes? That's it? yawn

I am no specialist but I am majoring on physics and I do have some knowledge about that. For what I know, it seems that there is even rules to prevent these kind of accidents, when using a particle accelerator scientists are not totally free to do whatever they want if an experiment could possibly in theory generate a black hole.
Any amount of mass, even individual protons, or neutrons can originate a black hole, you just need to compress its mass highly enough. In a particle accelerator particles are accelerated to very high speeds, and relativity tells that at these speeds things become contracted by Lorentz contraction, and the mass will increase. This means that the density of a particle will increase since it tends to have its mass increased, and its lenght contracted, so if you send something at a extreme high velocity, the density could be enough to create quantum black holes, but probably these quantum black holes evaporate quickly.

Sounds like a movie I've seen...Ended in disaster.

this is gonna be the cause of the end or the world

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Creating black holes in a lab would be rather dangerous yes? Science will be the end of us...

i think people r over reactin. blackholes that small exist on the quantum level, so do worm holes, althought this one might be a lil bigger it isnbt a threat at all. blackholes CAN be generated by strong particle acceleraters but theyr too minute to detect.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Any amount of mass, even individual protons, or neutrons can originate a black hole, you just need to compress its mass highly enough. In a particle accelerator particles are accelerated to very high speeds, and relativity tells that at these speeds things become contracted by Lorentz contraction, and the mass will increase. This means that the density of a particle will increase since it tends to have its mass increased, and its lenght contracted, so if you send something at a extreme high velocity, the density could be enough to create quantum black holes, but probably these quantum black holes evaporate quickly.

Yeah that's supposed to be what their doing... "How to create a Black Hole: 1) Fire two Protons: Supermagnets in the 17-mile-long LHC accelerate two beams of proton to near light speed and point them on a collision course.
2) Add Extra Dimensions: Small extra dimensions--- if they exist--- appear when the protons get close together. In effect, they increase the force of gravity.
3) Collapse Gravity: Eventually the force of Gravity between the protons becomes so strong that it forces quarks in the colliding protons to coalesce.
4)Rip Spacetime: This Merger collapses spacetime and forms a minuscule black hole tens of thousands of as small as the nucleus of an atom.
5) Watch it Dissolve: The black hole nearly instantaneously disintegrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation
6) Track the Debris: A 10-story-tall detector measures those particles as they blast from its center those from a black hole would create a unique pattern."

Well, I guess we'll have to wait until late 2007.

And questionably, are there a potential benefits in a man-made Black hole or the making of one? Because purely, if this Black hole can some how be bonified then it maybe worth taking a risk to create one because the reward may outweigh.

It would probably just as worthy to mankind as it would be destructive if good use were to be extracted from it. If spacial and gravitational laws are respected and abided by then I see no problem in commencing such a project. And possibly if (big IF) it were detrimental or not because we must realize that sometimes for the greater good, sacrifices must be made in order to advance our civilization.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And questionably, are there a potential benefits in a man-made Black hole or the making of one? Because purely, if this Black hole can some how be bonified then it maybe worth taking a risk to create one because the reward may outweigh.

It would probably just as worthy to mankind as it would be destructive if good use were to be extracted from it. If spacial and gravitational laws are respected and abided by then I see no problem in commencing such a project. And possibly if (big IF) it were detrimental or not because we must realize that sometimes for the greater good, sacrifices must be made in order to advance our civilization.

Yes. As already pointed out, a Black hole would make extra dimensions (if there are any) visible. And that would 1.) Prove the fact that there are extra dimensions in the world. And 2.) They could reconcile the major theories of the 20th century: quantum mechanics (the physics of the very small) and general relativity (the physics of spacetime). Without extra dimensions, quantum mechanics implies that gravity should be much stronger than it is.




And I couldn't agree with you more FistOfThe North.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Thirdly - I suspect this would require an awesome amount of energy to achieve. And cash. Science is often shafted when it comes to cash, I wonder who would be coughing up the money needed to test something purely hypothetical, terribly dangerous, and most likely going to fail if it were true just to "prove that the universe contains extra dimensions", knowledge which I fear has no actual use other then for knowledges sake, which would be enough for me, but for investors? They invariably want something that'll make money, or get them significant kudos. I agree with Imperial Samura in this ^
Along the years we saw that science its been affected by the economical situation of every country.
I honestly doubt this will be possible.

Making black holes = not a good idea.

Originally posted by Aziz!
Making black holes = not a good idea.

I agree

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I am no specialist but I am majoring on physics and I do have some knowledge about that. For what I know, it seems that there is even rules to prevent these kind of accidents, when using a particle accelerator scientists are not totally free to do whatever they want if an experiment could possibly in theory generate a black hole.
Any amount of mass, even individual protons, or neutrons can originate a black hole, you just need to compress its mass highly enough. In a particle accelerator particles are accelerated to very high speeds, and relativity tells that at these speeds things become contracted by Lorentz contraction, and the mass will increase. This means that the density of a particle will increase since it tends to have its mass increased, and its lenght contracted, so if you send something at a extreme high velocity, the density could be enough to create quantum black holes, but probably these quantum black holes evaporate quickly.

Thats correct .... It been theorized that the fundamental particles e.g. quarks and electrons could be made up of mini black holes (Although this theory has been rejected by most physicists).... A black hole is just a twisted piece of space time, that light cannot escape from .... it doesn't have to be of any mass or size ...

I agree that such experiment are extremely dangerous .... C.E.R.N. (I think its C.E.R.N. anyway) has had a lot of people worried, over years .... With such high energy experiment its been theorized that one can change the very state of the universe .... i.e space time would change at the rate of the speed of light .... I've heard it is even possible to change the earth into a giant Proton like particle !!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Thats correct .... It been theorized that the fundamental particles e.g. quarks and electrons could be made up of mini black holes (Although this theory has been rejected by most physicists).... A black hole is just a twisted piece of space time, that light cannot escape from .... it doesn't have to be of any mass or size ...

I agree that such experiment are extremely dangerous .... C.E.R.N. (I think its C.E.R.N. anyway) has had a lot of people worried, over years .... With such high energy experiment its been theorized that one can change the very state of the universe .... i.e space time would change at the rate of the speed of light .... I've heard it is even possible to change the earth into a giant Proton like particle !!!!!!!!!!

As I understand it, the conc.e.r.n. has been that our universe is still not a "true" vacuum but a "false" vacuum, and our experiments will initiate a local bubble of inflation, sorta like the inflation in the first eensy-weensy-willionth of a sec after the Big Bang.

IMO, this is likely paranoia/arrogance on a grand scale.

I've also heard our entire universe being compared to a black hole, ie, that we are living inside one, since (as far as we know) light cannot escape it.

Originally posted by Mindship
As I understand it, the conc.e.r.n. has been that our universe is still not a "true" vacuum but a "false" vacuum, and our experiments will initiate a local bubble of inflation, sorta like the inflation in the first eensy-weensy-willionth of a sec after the Big Bang.

'IMO, this is likely paranoia/arrogance on a grand scale.'



I've also heard our entire universe being compared to a black hole, ie, that we are living inside one, since (as far as we know) light cannot escape it.

'IMO, this is likely paranoia/arrogance on a grand scale.'

Agreed

Although it was rated by two reliable sources as the greatest danger to mankind (No one of them wasn't FHM !!!!!!!!!!) .... One of them even made the remark

'If and Alien race did know what we were up to, they would 'exteriminate' us all for for their own safety '

or something on those lines.

It doesn't prove that there are 11 dimensions (i.e. as predicted by M theory,) but more than 4.

Has anyone read the latest issue of New scientist ?

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

What do you guys think? Lets just all blow up the earth to rid ourselves of our own stupidity god.

Originally posted by Ronny
Lets just all blow up the earth to rid ourselves of our own stupidity god.

That... my friend, maybe the smartest thing I've hear in this forum yet!

Then Already Mande a WORMHOLE 2 MicroMeters in dimeter. Black holes Seem like the Next Step...

Finally the solution for Disposing of incremenating Evidence.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Creating black holes in a lab would be rather dangerous yes? Science will be the end of us...

no

this is totally safe. really. the only thing is that we might be throwing billions of dollars away on nothing... thats the case with any kind of expensive research though.

ok i cant take all this cynicism and fear. first of all what is going on is very theoretical research. stuff like this happens because we want to find out more about our universe. we want to find out more because we want to improve life and gain knowledge. there is more than enough money out there supporting this and we know this because
a) look at cern
b) look at research in japan like super-kamiokande
c) look at fermi labs
d) look at nasa
they all have money and are expanding (especially cern which is ironically supported by the weakest economies of the nations where those things i listed are located)
theres a lot more research going on about this sort of thing than i think people realize. has anyone heard of LISA? its a space probe, nay 3 space probes that will fly in formation 3 million miles apart from each other to detect gravitational wave disturbances as big as one tenth of one atom and its almost ready. or what about COBE? google that one. anyway the point is we are constantly increasing our ability to search for and create things like black holes (which given the size we would create them at, like the amount of antimatter we produce, is totally harmless in everyway). large black holes are actually fairly harmless until you get really really close (because gravity happens to be one of the weakest forces we know of). when we create a black holes im not sure just what we will find, we do know that it should help us research extra dimensions and other crazy things that happen on the quantum level according to m theory and what have you. the goal of this research however is not to come up with a specific product or tool or answer that we are looking for, its really just to see what nature has to offer us and what else we might look into researching. If we get the answers we predicted then hey! whoopdeedoo thats great! if not? great! more questions!

as for a few of the comments made so far.

inflation: inflation was a time period that is theorized to have happened right at the beginning of the big bang. this was when the universe for a very short time expanded at well over the speed of light which causes today a universe that is fairly uniform throughout. that means it is mostly made up of space that is generally the same temperature (like 2 degrees kelvin or something). the non uniform parts (planets, stars, all matter) were caused by slight temperature fluctuations.

cern: any concern of cern is somewhat acknowledgable because basically no one except quantum physicists have a very clear idea of the research they do there however people also worry about getting radiation poisoning because the live next to a nuclear powerplant (poisoning not caused by an accident like a meltdown which never happens really around the plant). people fear a lot of things and tend to get other people to be afraid of them we call this the media. anyway i dont trust anyone whos insanely scared of what they dont understand.

proof: man we are not going to prove anything about m-theory in a long long time unless we get really really lucky. actually it is said to be unproveable in theory which makes it permanently safe as a theory.

stopping black holes: as itzak said: "5) Watch it Dissolve: The black hole nearly instantaneously disintegrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation" yes thats exactly what happens. to big ones too but it takes much longer.

antimatter: first playing with antimatter, now this?..... yeah but obviously antimatter hasnt destroyed the world yet now has it.

i will garuntee all of you that all of your theoretical research is entirely benevolent. i mean i loved akira as much as anyone but scientists dont act like that. especially not the europeans...

Originally posted by tall_paul
ok i cant take all this cynicism and fear. first of all what is going on is very theoretical research. stuff like this happens because we want to find out more about our universe. we want to find out more because we want to improve life and gain knowledge. there is more than enough money out there supporting this and we know this because
a) look at cern
b) look at research in japan like super-kamiokande
c) look at fermi labs
d) look at nasa
they all have money and are expanding (especially cern which is ironically supported by the weakest economies of the nations where those things i listed are located)
theres a lot more research going on about this sort of thing than i think people realize. has anyone heard of LISA? its a space probe, nay 3 space probes that will fly in formation 3 million miles apart from each other to detect gravitational wave disturbances as big as one tenth of one atom and its almost ready. or what about COBE? google that one. anyway the point is we are constantly increasing our ability to search for and create things like black holes (which given the size we would create them at, like the amount of antimatter we produce, is totally harmless in everyway). large black holes are actually fairly harmless until you get really really close (because gravity happens to be one of the weakest forces we know of). when we create a black holes im not sure just what we will find, we do know that it should help us research extra dimensions and other crazy things that happen on the quantum level according to m theory and what have you. the goal of this research however is not to come up with a specific product or tool or answer that we are looking for, its really just to see what nature has to offer us and what else we might look into researching. If we get the answers we predicted then hey! whoopdeedoo thats great! if not? great! more questions!

as for a few of the comments made so far.

inflation: inflation was a time period that is theorized to have happened right at the beginning of the big bang. this was when the universe for a very short time expanded at well over the speed of light which causes today a universe that is fairly uniform throughout. that means it is mostly made up of space that is generally the same temperature (like 2 degrees kelvin or something). the non uniform parts (planets, stars, all matter) were caused by slight temperature fluctuations.

cern: any concern of cern is somewhat acknowledgable because basically no one except quantum physicists have a very clear idea of the research they do there however people also worry about getting radiation poisoning because the live next to a nuclear powerplant (poisoning not caused by an accident like a meltdown which never happens really around the plant). people fear a lot of things and tend to get other people to be afraid of them we call this the media. anyway i dont trust anyone whos insanely scared of what they dont understand.

proof: man we are not going to prove anything about m-theory in a long long time unless we get really really lucky. actually it is said to be unproveable in theory which makes it permanently safe as a theory.

stopping black holes: as itzak said: "5) Watch it Dissolve: The black hole nearly instantaneously disintegrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation" yes thats exactly what happens. to big ones too but it takes much longer.

antimatter: first playing with antimatter, now this?..... yeah but obviously antimatter hasnt destroyed the world yet now has it.

i will garuntee all of you that all of your theoretical research is entirely benevolent. i mean i loved akira as much as anyone but scientists dont act like that. especially not the europeans...

Good post although most of it is not really relevant to the topic ... First of all major black holes are harmless but potentially very dangerous .... they are nearly undetectable , and they don't 'dissolve' for literally googles of years (By the Hawking process as mentioned b4) .... the Hawking process is questionable as it breaks the fundamental law of the universe (i.e. one cannot create destroy energy or matter) !

I think everyone out in the country should have black holes instead of septic tanks...lol....call that Jacks theory...LMAO

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

What do you guys think?

Would be really funny if one of the scientist got sucked into a black hole

it all makes sense now. ive always believed that movement (time) was the 4th dimension. if you completely stop a molecule that molecules time or 4th dimension dissappears until moved or polarity is satisfied, and if something stops existing in time at given point T the resulting effect is an emptyness of where that molecule was at T in spacial cordinates M. this would create a vacuum effect in the space at M from the point T occured. you may say it would still be there but stopped but if any dimension, (width, hight, and length) were to be left out in the real world it creates a vacuum. like when you compress air, the space where you took the air to fill the tank, is now negitive pressure and must be re-filled.

i got it, as long as there is enough matter to fill space where the vacuum is the black hole will dissolve. but if there is such a strong vacuum where it is crushing everything to where there is space between two forms of matter than that space adds to the vacuum, like its sucking in something that isnt there and creating more negitive pressure. but how would one that big be started. i can only submit that a star has burned itself next to another star and the lack of matter being burned although the burning is still taking place creates such a pull that they collide into each other stopping large portions of the elements contained in the stars, destroying thier 4th dimension creating a black hole

i doubt the blackhole would be large enough to have a noticable affect on human, itd probably just exist at a subatomic level.

Originally posted by terd40
it all makes sense now. ive always believed that movement (time) was the 4th dimension. if you completely stop a molecule that molecules time or 4th dimension dissappears until moved or polarity is satisfied, and if something stops existing in time at given point T the resulting effect is an emptyness of where that molecule was at T in spacial cordinates M. this would create a vacuum effect in the space at M from the point T occured. you may say it would still be there but stopped but if any dimension, (width, hight, and length) were to be left out in the real world it creates a vacuum. like when you compress air, the space where you took the air to fill the tank, is now negitive pressure and must be re-filled.

i got it, as long as there is enough matter to fill space where the vacuum is the black hole will dissolve. but if there is such a strong vacuum where it is crushing everything to where there is space between two forms of matter than that space adds to the vacuum, like its sucking in something that isnt there and creating more negitive pressure. but how would one that big be started. i can only submit that a star has burned itself next to another star and the lack of matter being burned although the burning is still taking place creates such a pull that they collide into each other stopping large portions of the elements contained in the stars, destroying thier 4th dimension creating a black hole

Well said.

Ah yes. Popular Science is an amazing magazine, isn't it? If anyone would like to actually read the full article, go to your library and get the January edition of Popular Science. At least, I think it was January...

thanks itzak

you guys know what really scares me...those nasa fellas gettin the idea its good to develop an engine that can run on the oxygen in the atmosphere and no other gas. good idea you say? bah! what the hell are our grandchildren going to breath after global climate reversal kills the majority of the plants? lets just burn everything we get a hold on. well if we all pass left it might just be okay.

For those of you out there, who think this can't be done, or we have not progressed this far yet, just think how far we have come in a 100 years, from candles and torches, to light bulbs, from horse and wagon, to cars and motor cycles, from mailed letters and telegraphs, to phones.


We have leapt ahead of ourselves probably 50 years, we wared for the first 45 years of last century, which spurred our sciences, and we had propeller engine planes and moved to jet engines in a matter of 20 years. Science is a great tool, and somehow we have moved past our industrial faze and into pre-steller era, to say this man mad black hole is far fetched is inaccurate. and science has even proven that there is a hyperspace, which would allow for instant space travel from one point to another.

Now the part that is true is, we are not ready for all of this, that is why I beleive it will take us the better part of this century to acheive creating a black hole, and when we finally do, expect us to have leapt ahead another 100 years.

I once dug a hole in my backyard, and it looked black inside.
Seriously, I read about the scientest working on their hole too,
I guess it's still in theroy though, these things do take time.
There is also the theroy that our universe was born out of a black hole.
I guess that would mean we have a mother unervise much larger than our own, tht would be something.

the energy requirements would indeed be vast but having access to that technology many fun things can happen, as things approach the speed of light they do become more dense, the amount of energy require could come from a created universe and then it's ever expanding could be harvested, kinda stolen from sg1's zpm, but the idea would in theory work, and how can we fold space time? either something really heavy or alot of energy converted into matter at near one point

I've done a LOT of research on this, and I've concluded that the Black Holes would be so miniscule that they might possibly suck in one or two atoms, but they would fuse out too quickly to become self-sustaining. This is research that we scientists have under control, and in case you were wondering, I am working as Assistant Manager of the entire project, informing others that there is nothing to worry about. You can feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] if you have any questions about the research.

Originally posted by Itzak
That... my friend, maybe the smartest thing I've hear in this forum yet!

Let's not, and say we did.

This reminds me of a Tom Swift book I read awile back. Tom tries to create a mini back hole in his lab... except he looses control and gets sucked in and then when he finally reaches the other side he finds that he's in alternate universe where he is the world's most wanted criminal. Oh and his evil twin is back in his own universe recking evil havok...

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor........

I'm sorry.......that just reminded me of "The One"........

String theory can't be the only reason for building this massive collider...There is so much cash being stuffed into this project...what would be the main motivation for groups or agencies to put large amounts of money into a project like this??? It can't be for string or M theory alone.
If they are after black holes, how do they know they can create them? If they do, how do they really know that they will only last a second? I don't see how everyone can put so much stock into one man's theory of Hawking Radiation...has anyone really proved that Hawking radiation really happens?

I know I really only have questions, but the idea of the creation of a black hole, with complete confidence that it won't be a danger, is kinda scary.
And what are strangelets? Something else to worry about?

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

What do you guys think?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you mean the movie on the sci-fi channel called blackhole where they try to make a miniture blackhole and the experiment failed.

Black holes are so powerful that they bend light.

This sucker won't be this powerful probally, but it might suck the world in.

What the hell does this have to do with Philosophy tho?

Man made black holes through partical acceleration is completely possible and is an essential key to traveling through time.

Anyone whom may be interested in doing some reading on this should google a man named john titor.

Link?

Originally posted by VOFutiture
Man made black holes through partical acceleration is completely possible and is an essential key to traveling through time.

Anyone whom may be interested in doing some reading on this should google a man named john titor.

IIRC, JohnTitor was an alias used by a guy who said he was from 2040 or something. How would what he says be relevant?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Link?

Well there's wiki. Besides that I couldn't find anything that even tried to explain why the LHC would make black holes.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
IIRC, JohnTitor was an alias used by a guy who said he was from 2040 or something. How would what he says be relevant?



Well there's wiki. Besides that I couldn't find anything that even tried to explain why the LHC would make black holes.

Ditto on the Titor stuff. I think VO Furniture is the only one taking that guy seriously.

And I searched too. The lack of confirmed articles and/or announcements leads me to belive it might just be an internet meme, not an actual upcoming experiment.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ditto on the Titor stuff. I think VO Furniture is the only one taking that guy seriously.

And I searched too. The lack of confirmed articles and/or announcements leads me to belive it might just be an internet meme, not an actual upcoming experiment.

Nice Pun.