Darth Traya versus ROTJ Luke Skywalker

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Darth Traya
Who would win?

Lightsnake
Traya. DE Luke or anything beyond that and Traya'd be dead instantly

ArthasKnight
Luke is massacred. Traya's way too powerful.

Darth Traya
What about DE Luke then?

Lightsnake
That's one dead Sith Lady

Darth Traya
How?

Lightsnake
OH, by that point, Luke's a freaking titan in the force, stronger than Palpatine when all's said and done, learned the Darkside's greatest powers and how to counter them when he studied the Sith and Dark Side...he's capable of hiding planets from view, moving black holes, putting up shields with the Force to block storms of lasers, create highly effective illusions, reflect AT AT blaster shots, rips the engine from a star destroyer, fight so fast it's as if he was using twenty sabers...

Darth Traya
No, most of what you just said happened in the NJO, not DE.

Lightsnake
Nope, most of it happened in DE. Made highly effective illusions, tore apart star destroyers with the Force, learned the deadliest Sith techniques and how to block them, killed a small army of Dark Side Elite, created a shield to block a storm of blaster bolts, blocked a shot from an AT AT, reflected a shot at an AT AT, hid Byss for a small time...

Darth Traya
Traya can dice him up for breakfast.

Lightsnake
And Traya only ever....blinded three Jedi to the Force-in DE, Luke disconnects himself and then reconnects himself like it was nothing.

Wow, so much proof. You admitted yourself DE Sidious could take Traya. DE Luke becomes greater than Sidious, so use logic. C'mon, what'd Traya ever do?

Darth Traya
Smash three Jedi master against a wall, like they were nothing?

DE luke is nowhere near the level of De Sidious!

Lightsnake
Which is why he BEATS Sidious, right?

And Luke kills far more than three Dark Jedi elite masters. And Traya cut them off from the Force, which killed them. Their minds couldn't take it, that was it. Still, that's hardly impressive. Sidious in ROTS killed three Jedi masters like it was nothing, what's your point? Until she masks an entire planet of the darkside from view...

Darth Traya
The skill of the Jedi Masters? Well I could have beat them If I were in Sidious' place. They basically let themselves be killed, they don't even raise their sabres to defend themselves. And then when Sidious lands, they dont'!

Darth_Glentract
Traya defeated 3 Jedi each of whom is close to Yoda in power with a wave of her hand. Luke held Sidious off when Leia and Anakin added their force power to his, it wasn't by his own strength.

Lightsnake
PRove they were close to Yoda, besides standing around and looking growly they did....well, nothing.

And Sidious was too fast and good for Agen, Kit and Saesee that simple. Kit was sure trying to defend himself. And considering how good those three actually are...

And ANAKIN? Ummm, no. Anakin never appeared in DE. and Luke defeated Sidious before he tried his force storm and Leia joined in

Darth Traya
Originally posted by Lightsnake
PRove they were close to Yoda, besides standing around and looking growly they did....well, nothing.

And Sidious was too fast and good for Agen, Kit and Saesee that simple. Kit was sure trying to defend himself. And considering how good those three actually are...

And ANAKIN? Ummm, no. Anakin never appeared in DE. and Luke defeated Sidious before he tried his force storm and Leia joined in

Two fast? Well there is a four second delay between Sidious jumping and him stabbing the first jedi master. if that's not idiocy, then I don't know what is.

Lightsnake
Considering it's Agen Kolar...and bad filming

Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by Lightsnake
PRove they were close to Yoda, besides standing around and looking growly they did....well, nothing.

And Sidious was too fast and good for Agen, Kit and Saesee that simple. Kit was sure trying to defend himself. And considering how good those three actually are...

And ANAKIN? Ummm, no. Anakin never appeared in DE. and Luke defeated Sidious before he tried his force storm and Leia joined in

1. They were the best of the Jedi Order, which has already been shown to be more capable then the PT one.

2. Those three suck. I could have fought better then that. They're Colemen Trebors.

3. Anakin Solo, you...not smart person. Luke, with Leia and Anakin's force power added to his stalemated Sidious in saber combat.

Lightsnake
1. Which means nothing. Where's Vandar now? Yoda was on par with Vodo and described as the greatest foe the darkness'd ever known...yes, they must've been so strong. So, very very strong that they did absolutely nothing and had to fight their hardestat to kill a group of usurpers and mercenaries.

2. Kit Fisto, who's martial arts prowess dazzle Kenobi sucks? Agen Kolar who's saber skills put even Mace windu on guard sucks? Saesee Tiin, who's cognition stuns Anakin sucks? Those three described as some of the finest Jedi the Order'd ever known sucked? Mmmmmhmmm

3. Anakin Solo wasn't born yet. Nice try. This is Dark Empire I, Anakin's not born till DE 2

Darth Traya
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering it's Agen Kolar...and bad filming

Still canon and the movie clearly portrays them as utter crap in combat. Ergo, movie takes precendence and they are crap.

Lightsnake
Or Sidious is just that good and it was filmed poorly....or the great Mace Windu isn't such a great duelist after all.
Sorry, you're not an official source.

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