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do u agree that both people should keep there hands off each other or should the man just keep his hands off the woman what do u think.

i think neither person should hit the other.

No, people should hit eachother in relationships to teach the other person a lesson because sometimes verbally discussing problems takes too much time, and physical violence is such a time saver. A punch to the face will resolve problems much faster then wasting time talking it out.

If somebody wants to hit, I hit back, sorry it must be impulsive.

Originally posted by rox
do u agree that both people should keep there hands off each other or should the man just keep his hands off the woman what do u think.

i think neither person should hit the other.

If you mean "hit" as in punch, kick, or slap then NOOO. Both of them should NOT hit each other, that's just crazy.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, people should hit eachother in relationships to teach the other person a lesson because sometimes verbally discussing problems takes too much time, and physical violence is such a time saver. A punch to the face will resolve problems much faster then wasting time talking it out.

Just hit one another. Hitting solves everything.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Just hit one another. Hitting solves everything.

Watch a John Wayne film anyone that doubts the truth of this statement.

Originally posted by Itzak
If you mean "hit" as in punch, kick, or slap then NOOO. Both of them should NOT hit each other, that's just crazy.

yes punch and kick is what i mean.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, people should hit eachother in relationships to teach the other person a lesson because sometimes verbally discussing problems takes too much time, and physical violence is such a time saver. A punch to the face will resolve problems much faster then wasting time talking it out.
what the hell. what gender r u

Originally posted by rox
what the hell. what gender r u


Whats it to you? You cruising for a bruising?

In a relationship you should never hit the other person at all. (But if you get hit first, and I mean hard, then it's a different story dev in which case I'd say bash em chair)

Originally posted by BackFire
Whats it to you? You cruising for a bruising?

its just that u condon hitting. i don't take kindly to threats, don't start nothing it won't be nothing.

If my girl brings me a warm beer shes just askin for a backhand..and she will get it.

Originally posted by rox
its just that u condon hitting. i don't take kindly to threats, don't start nothing it won't be nothing.

Hahaha

Originally posted by KidRock
If my girl brings me a warm beer shes just askin for a backhand..and she will get it.

r u serious

r u

Abuse comes in many ways and forms, for example if a person DOESN'T WANT to be happy they'll do whatever they can to ensure it, even messing up the ones who were nothing but kind to them.

oh rly!

Originally posted by rox
r u serious r u gay?

I hit my girlfriend all the time For instance if she is on her period and she wont go down on me, she feels my pimp handpimp

Hitting my girlfreind makes me feel tough

This thread is really really weird........

No one should hit another person......except in war and love

Originally posted by rox
do u agree that both people should keep there hands off each other or should the man just keep his hands off the woman what do u think.

i think neither person should hit the other.

What are you on aboot ?

Mate,

My friend got vicously assaulted twice on his birthday by his girl for some unknown reason. The second assault resulted in a black-eye.

She didnt even apologise. It took her 3 days until she finally apologised. And during those 3 days, they didnt speak to eachother under the same roof.

You think that neither person should hit out.

Yet, sometimes, hitting out actually generates a reaction that improves a relationship. Hitting out is like a nudge and is there as a pull factor.

I believe some people should not be too pompous about themselves and accept a good punch when they are in the loss.

Originally posted by tabby999
oh rly! 100% true...

I don't think violence solves anything in a relationship on the side of either party. That being said, playful fighting can be lots of fun.

This could have been a good topic to discuss, if it had been approached in a professional manner.

Oh well, guess it's time to jump on that band wagon...

Anyone got a problem with that? boxing

I know plenty of girls who have no problems hitting men but also say openly that they aren't gonna ***** if they get hit back. Which is fair, I think.

I don't like the idea of certain girls thinking they can openly beat a guy without him defending himself with retaliation.

I've never hit a girl, personally.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
No, people should hit eachother in relationships to teach the other person a lesson because sometimes verbally discussing problems takes too much time, and physical violence is such a time saver. A punch to the face will resolve problems much faster then wasting time talking it out.

and just in the nick of time BF comes in with the post of the year!! greatness!!

A wise man once taught his wife Karate so beating her would be more fun. Is that true? Of course it is..cause that man was Chuck Norris.

You mean to say somebody actually married Chuck Norris? Oh, the humanity.

I guess it gets lonely out there on the plains of Texas. Oh when the eyes of the ranger are upon you...

But to topic - playful fighting which isn't intended to cause harm or hurt? No real problem. Of course there is no reason why a man and woman should be seriously fighting with the intent to hurt the other, though it happens. It is unacceptable for a man to beat up his wife, girlfirend, whatever. And it's equally bad for a women to do the same to her husband, though generally domestic violance is seen man using physcial vilence against a woman.

Personally I wouldn't hit a girl, even if she was hitting me, as there are plenty of non-violent ways to retaliate, the most basic being just removing oneself from the situation. Might seem silly, and probably not for everybody, but eh.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've never hit a girl, personally.

-AC

Have you ever hit one through someone else?

No, I've never got someone else to hit a girl for me if that's what you mean.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Whats it to you? You cruising for a bruising?

Funniest post of the week

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I've never got someone else to hit a girl for me if that's what you mean.

-AC

It's not. I was just pointing out the redundant nature of your statement. It just seemed like a funny way to word it.

Oh, I see.

I meant I'd, not I've. Personally meaning I personally choose not to. Not I would get someone else to do it.

-AC

Meat eaters!

Keep in mind there are all kinds of abuse. Mental, and sexual both count as well

Originally posted by vaya_the_elf
Keep in mind there are all kinds of abuse. Mental, and sexual both count as well

Some people like and want both of those in a relationship, some only want them on weekends Many who do dress like in your sig.

Probably

Stun guns are so usefull...maybe in foreplay also..

Originally posted by rox
NO Any evidence to back that up?Originally posted by KidRock
A wise man once taught his wife Karate so beating her would be more fun. Is that true? Of course it is..cause that man was Chuck Norris.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Stun guns are so usefull...maybe in foreplay also..

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, I see.

I meant I'd, not I've. Personally meaning I personally choose not to. Not I would get someone else to do it.

-AC

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Have you ever hit one through someone else?

that seems illogical. if you ignore the moral implications completely, girls are not very aero dynamic. Now if you threw a porcupine at someone, that would make more sense.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
that seems illogical. if you ignore the moral implications completely, girls are not very aero dynamic. Now if you threw a porcupine at someone, that would make more sense.

Seems? What is this, existentialist humor?

No, he understood. And all is right with the world.

I buried my last 2 girlfriends cause I knocked them out with the pressure from my pimp handpimp

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I buried my last 2 girlfriends cause I knocked them out with the pressure from my pimp handpimp

You, Sir, belong here. Try not to leave. It doesn't work.

Man should never hit a woman at anytime
Woman should never hit a man at anytime

Thats pretty much the bottom line here folks.

Peace.

Originally posted by MysteryRidah
Man should never hit a woman at anytime
Woman should never hit a man at anytime

Thats pretty much the bottom line here folks.

Peace. It's just better to drug them.

Originally posted by rox
do u agree that both people should keep there hands off each other or should the man just keep his hands off the woman what do u think.

i think neither person should hit the other.

Of course neither should hit each other.

The murder in home or a murder when one partner is killed by the other, is more common than the murder and crime on streets.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I hit my girlfriend all the time For instance if she is on her period and she wont go down on me, she feels my pimp handpimp

Hitting my girlfreind makes me feel tough



I was joking about this post as well

No, seriously I would never hit a girl...................unless it was my wife

Interesting facts: Women are violent towards men as much as men are towards women. The majority of injuries children recieve from their parents are in fact inflicted by their mothers, not their fathers.

Originally posted by Uberking Robert
Interesting facts: Women are violent towards men as much as men are towards women. The majority of injuries children recieve from their parents are in fact inflicted by their mothers, not their fathers.

source?

Actually, as far as the domestic violence goes, men are more violent towards women - one in 3 women today has been either, assaulted, sexually assaulted or have been a subjected to sexual cohesion.

violence against children, and mother against son, is not female on male violence - its adult on child violence - huge difference.

Thus, your ''interesting fact'' is not a fact to begin with.

Originally posted by Uberking Robert
Interesting facts: Women are violent towards men as much as men are towards women. The majority of injuries children recieve from their parents are in fact inflicted by their mothers, not their fathers. Originally posted by lil bitchiness
source?

Actually, as far as the domestic violence goes, men are more violent towards women - one in 3 women today has been either, assaulted, sexually assaulted or have been a subjected to sexual cohesion.

violence against children, and mother against son, is not female on male violence - its adult on child violence - huge difference.

Thus, your ''interesting fact'' is not a fact to begin with.

How can there be representative studies? Oh right there can't. All statistics in this field are rather inaccurate. that is for sure. And of course it is also changed by definition.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Stun guns are so usefull...maybe in foreplay also..

Cause sleeping with comatose people is fun?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How can there be representative studies? Oh right there can't. All statistics in this field are rather inaccurate. that is for sure. And of course it is also changed by definition.

They are inaccurate how?

In Britain we have something called British Crime Survey, plus police reports and records.

So unless police is ''making up statistics'' then i guess they would be innacurate.

And BCS's surveys says violence against women, when compared with the statistics of the police are underreported.

I was in an extremely violent relationship and, because I stupidly decided not to leave him, I resorted to hitting him back. Self defence? I dunno... now I think that a better form of self defence in my case would simply have been to get rid of the scumbag.

Originally posted by Syren
I was in an extremely violent relationship and, because I stupidly decided not to leave him, I resorted to hitting him back. Self defence? I dunno... now I think that a better form of self defence in my case would simply have been to get rid of the scumbag.

Yeah - but its not easy, I understand.

Many people wonder how women who are married abusive men can stay with them, but it isn't easy, nor its a matter of just walking out.

Its far more complicated than that

I understand that love etc can make the whole situation harder than it might otherwise be, but if you continually get battered and he says "I'll change" but doesn't and continues beating you, then it's pretty blunt.

If you don't leave after that, it's nonsense. I'm not a girl, I'm a guy, but at the same time I fail to see absolutely any sense behind staying with a man who beats the shit out of you, probably because there isn't one.

Although there is the whole "He threatened me to stay" element, which I suppose is very dangerous, but that's what the police are for.

-AC

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yeah - but its not easy, I understand.

Many people wonder how women who are married abusive men can stay with them, but it isn't easy, nor its a matter of just walking out.

Its far more complicated than that

Exactly... but in hindsight (bloody hindsight), I wish I could have been the one who was strong enough to walk away. But I loved him.

AC ~ I see that now and probably saw it at the time, just decided to push my common sense to the side. I would still strongly urge anyone in this sort of situation to get rid of the person who is doing such things to them, or at the very least try to get some decent help. I'd never use excuses as to why I stayed with my ex, but I know how hard it is to make that final decision.

It's not love to beat up or abuse your partner. No one should be a punching bag for another person. Well, except the mindless socks and trolls running wild in the forums.

I understand love is strong and I do sympathise that you went through that, but how many right hands does it take before you go "Wait..."?

Blaming love is no excuse, although you've said that you now know you should have got out.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I understand love is strong and I do sympathise that you went through that, but how many right hands does it take before you go "Wait..."?

Blaming love is no excuse, although you've said that you now know you should have got out.

-AC

I said all that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I understand love is strong and I do sympathise that you went through that, but how many right hands does it take before you go "Wait..."?

Blaming love is no excuse, although you've said that you now know you should have got out.

-AC

I know... and I agree completely. One right hand is one too many.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I said all that.

Posted it before I saw yours, you wretched harriden.

-AC

Oh, sorry...NVM.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I understand that love etc can make the whole situation harder than it might otherwise be, but if you continually get battered and he says "I'll change" but doesn't and continues beating you, then it's pretty blunt.

If you don't leave after that, it's nonsense. I'm not a girl, I'm a guy, but at the same time I fail to see absolutely any sense behind staying with a man who beats the shit out of you, probably because there isn't one.

Although there is the whole "He threatened me to stay" element, which I suppose is very dangerous, but that's what the police are for.

-AC

True, but love excuse is not the issue i am refering to, though.

For women, who are married at least, there are numerous problems in leaving abusive relationship -

a) they have children and nowhere to go
b) they are afraid to leave, because men threaten to kill them/take their children away
c) they simply love them (as you refered to it)
d) they depend economically on the other person
e) they are psychologically affected by abuse to the point that they do not see anything wrong with what is happening to them
f) the abuser is buying the women everything and financially supporting her, and making her feel she is indebted to him

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They are inaccurate how?

In Britain we have something called British Crime Survey, plus police reports and records.

So unless police is ''making up statistics'' then i guess they would be innacurate.

And BCS's surveys says violence against women, when compared with the statistics of the police are underreported.
Oh yes I see, so you take all abuse filed as accurat..hmm...nevermind ttalking to you then.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
True, but love excuse is not the issue i am refering to, though.

For women, who are married at least, there are numerous problems in leaving abusive relationship -

a) they have children and nowhere to go
b) they are afraid to leave, because men threaten to kill them/take their children away
c) they simply love them (as you refered to it)
d) they depend economically on the other person
e) they are psychologically affected by abuse to the point that they do not see anything wrong with what is happening to them
f) the abuser is buying the women everything and financially supporting her, and making her feel she is indebted to him

Well C is pointless, as I just said, so we can strike that one off.

D and F are more or less the same and I'll admit, not a good reason but a reason nonetheless.

B can be solved with legal intervention, police intervention etc.

E is a poor excuse in my opinion. If you don't see that someone kicking the shit out of you is wrong, then...well. Good luck in life.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well C is pointless, as I just said, so we can strike that one off.

D and F are more or less the same and I'll admit, not a good reason but a reason nonetheless.

B can be solved with legal intervention, police intervention etc.

E is a poor excuse in my opinion. If you don't see that someone kicking the shit out of you is wrong, then...well. Good luck in life.

-AC

It does not suprise me that people are finding it difficult to comprehend this, as it isn't uncommon.

If a child grows up in an enviroment where, the abuse is constant isuch behaviour becomes a norm.

If one person lives in an invaroment where the abuse is constant(or any kind of behaviour), it becomes a norm. This kind of thing is called ''learnt behaviour''
The abusee will learn how to either, make the abuse less effective to him/her, or it will accpt it as the ''way it should be''

People who are in prison for life, and have exoperienced violence every day of their life, flighting or being fighted, have taken this behaviour to be a norm, and although others may find it disturbing, for them it is a norm.

I'll give you an example - a survey was done on the prostitutes of San Francisco - they were asked if they were abused as children or as adults - they said no. When they were asked about if pimps hit them, they confirmed, but said that they did not see that as an abuse - its simply something that happens.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It does not suprise me that people are finding it difficult to comprehend this, as it isn't uncommon.

If a child grows up in an enviroment where, the abuse is constant isuch behaviour becomes a norm.

I've seen severe physical abuse between partners before, so if you're implying I don't comprehend this, I suggest you don't make assumptions. We've seen what happens there before. I'm growing tired of you assuming that due to reading surveys and stats, you know more than people. No disrespect meant, but it's just shit.

A child being used to something doesn't mean it becomes less bad. There's a difference between being accustomed to it and being desensitised to it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If one person lives in an invaroment where the abuse is constant(or any kind of behaviour), it becomes a norm. This kind of thing is called ''learnt behaviour''
The abusee will learn how to either, make the abuse less effective to him/her, or it will accpt it as the ''way it should be''

People who are in prison for life, and have exoperienced violence every day of their life, flighting or being fighted, have taken this behaviour to be a norm, and although others may find it disturbing, for them it is a norm.

Whether they fight or get FOUGHT, it makes zero difference. The norm it maybe, but you are again confusing desensitisation with being accustomed to it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I'll give you an example - a survey was done on the prostitutes of San Francisco - they were asked if they were abused as children or as adults - they said no. When they were asked about if pimps hit them, they confirmed, but said that they did not see that as an abuse - its simply something that happens.

Idiots then aren't they? It's abuse. They don't see it because they are compromised, it's abuse. There's no debating that really.

Beating a female to achieve dominance is abuse.

-AC

Originally posted by K.Diddy
I hit my girlfriend all the time For instance if she is on her period and she wont go down on me, she feels my pimp handpimp

Hitting my girlfreind makes me feel tough

both, dont have the right to hit each other!

Frankly, I would rate Lil's quoted studies and stats far beyond the testimony of the odd person here. She is making use of serious academic research, and that deserves some respect. Your witnessing of violent contact between partners strikes me as having no relevance as to whether you can comment with authority on the situation, AC. To witness is not to experience, and even to experience is not necessarily to know. It requires objective analysis which Lil has provided, and if you cannot combat that with something other than your own opinion then she is looking in a much superior position.

And I certainly agree with her that there is a distinct lack of empathy here, and labelling all such people as 'idiots' is a remarkably unhelpful attitude to a difficult situation. It would be a much nicer and simpler world if all things like this were down to stupidity- but things sure as hell are not like that, as experts in the field will readily tell you.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Frankly, I would rate Lil's quoted studies and stats far beyond the testimony of the odd person here. She is making use of serious academic research, and that deserves some respect. Your witnessing of violent contact between partners strikes me as having no relevance as to whether you can comment with authority on the situation, AC. To witness is not to experience, and even to experience is not necessarily to know. It requires objective analysis which Lil has provided, and if you cannot combat that with something other than your own opinion then she is looking in a much superior position.

Studies and stats are all well and good, they may very well be accurate, but if that's all you have, then you don't have much. The fact that I've asked her before if she has experience in matters she talks about and got dodged more than Wile. E Coyote suggests that she's relying on her stats and studies to override actually experiencing it. You said experiencing isn't to know, but it sure as hell helps. If she's holding these studies to be gospel without practical experience or evidence, then it's like reading a book saying "Most men/women are cheaters" and believing it. No matter how convincing the book may be, experiencing life will prove that differently. Just like witnessing physical abuse will undoubtedly make you think twice about those studies. Whilst it's not necessarily objective, it's without a doubt important.

I agree that this subject needs to be afforded a greater respect that "The woman should just leave" but there are two sides to the coin here. If all Lil has are stats, nice. IF she's never experienced it or been in an active situation in which there is abuse going on, then she is ALSO uneducated on a certain aspect of this.

She can have all the stats she wants, she's learned them from a book or the net, or a teacher. If she wants to trade that with having to witness the abuse, then I'll gladly do so. Because I'm sure she'd be the first person to retort with "You haven't experienced it" if the roles were reversed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And I certainly agree with her that there is a distinct lack of empathy here, and labelling all such people as 'idiots' is a remarkably unhelpful attitude to a difficult situation. It would be a much nicer and simpler world if all things like this were down to stupidity- but things sure as hell are not like that, as experts in the field will readily tell you.

I've openly said that there are not always ways that make it easy to get out and when Lil raised some of those, I agreed.

I don't believe love is a justifiable reason, because if you are getting socked around and still think "Aww he loves me" then yes I question the woman's intelligence.

-AC

But I have personal experience and I agree with Milla

We are equals so must behave.

Originally posted by Syren
But I have personal experience and I agree with Milla

Then go you.

I'm not even saying the woman is wrong, am I? I even went so far as to say I agreed with what her and Ush said in some places. The problem I have is that Milla seems to override and overrule personal experience and the effect of, everytime she speaks about something. Ironically, she almost never has any experience in the matter outside of her studies.

I'm not saying she's wrong, I'm saying she should take more into consideration.

-AC