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Seriously I don't think he'll win but, New Whirlys Thread does give a good indication as to how powerful he really is .... IMO He's not far behind the Sky Fathers in the strength / speed / durability. They'll take him due to their various other abilities !

In theory supes should be able to speed blitz king thor for the win........

yeah, too much versatility for supes. but i think it DOES (as i've said in the past) raise the issue that a supes v thanos fight WOULD be a great one!!

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, too much versatility for supes. but i think it DOES (as i've said in the past) raise the issue that a supes v thanos fight WOULD be a great one!!

Once again Thanos may have too many other abilities, but Strength and Speed, supes is nearly his equal !

Originally posted by thesilverspider
In theory supes should be able to speed blitz king thor for the win........

Do you think a King Thor blast would melt Superman, like it melted Adamantium ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Once again Thanos may have too many other abilities, but Strength and Speed, supes is nearly his equal !

thanos isn't even very fast and doesn't fly but he does have some great reflexes.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Do you think a King Thor blast would melt Superman, like it melted Adamantium ?

I'm afraid so.....................

that's the thing -- thanos DOESN'T have these other abilities. he blasts, he's strong, he's durable, he's fast enough to hit ss. he doesn't have the energy control of even the ss let alone a skyfather.

thanos is a billdozer of force. no tech, no prep, straight up in an impenetrable ring, this is a great fight.

Thanos is to much for Superman He smarter more experenced and was able to go toe to toe with Mad Warrior Thor was I just learned that he is 10 stronger then regular Thor

Originally posted by leonidas
that's the thing -- thanos DOESN'T have these other abilities. he blasts, he's strong, he's durable, he's fast enough to hit ss. he doesn't have the energy control of even the ss let alone a skyfather.

thanos is a billdozer of force. no tech, no prep, straight up in an impenetrable ring, this is a great fight.

thanos does carry some tech on him all the time such as shields and teleportation.

if thanos gets his hands on supes is pretty much lights out.........

two pics

1

Wtf is that picture supposed to show Golem!!

Thanos is crazy picture this he hears of an army that is suppose to the most power army in the Universe and seeks them out beat all of them and he did with very little effort

Thanos going toe to toe with a Raging Thor with the power gem and was holding his own

It's impossible to see anything.

they look like stickers you put on your fridge..........

It came from Thanos's Web Site

Originally posted by golem370
It came from Thanos's Web Site

So its an impartial secondary source then

Thanos has a website cool, maybe if I ask him he will let me become an acolyte.

better pics

Originally posted by golem370
better pics

What does that show

Come on now how many times has Thanos beaten Silver Surfer and Surfer would destroy ever fiber in Supermans body.

pic

Originally posted by golem370
Come on now how many times has Thanos beaten Silver Surfer and Surfer would destroy ever fiber in Supermans body.

check out the thread the truth about "Post Crisis Supes"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t384145.html

Don't get me wrong I like Superman but your talking about a Being 25,000 years old he is at the top of the Eternal food chain now add the cosmic cube into the mix and his enchancements plus is on going thirst for knowledge he is Skyfather level. He has had a few battles with Thing Thor Silver Surfer Hulk Drax so on and so forth

A lot of the time Thanos is seen in combat, he's powered up by something.

And Golem, he doesn't have the cosmic cube or 'other enhancements' in the thread. It wasn't stated.

Thanos still wins

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Wtf is that picture supposed to show Golem!!




So true !!!!!!!!!!!

Golem is on the verge of becoming KMC's number one thread starter.

AWESOME as someone might once have said.

Originally posted by golem370
Come on now how many times has Thanos beaten Silver Surfer and Surfer would destroy ever fiber in Supermans body.

Superman losses to Silver surfer due to a technicality i.e. absorption of radiation/ the creation of Kryptonite.

Power/strength/ durability wise Superman rapes Surfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Superman losses to Silver surfer due to a technicality i.e. absorption of radiation/ the creation of Kryptonite.

Power/strength/ durability wise Superman rapes Surfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not durability thats for sure

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Golem is on the verge of becoming KMC's number one thread starter.

AWESOME as someone might once have said.

What he isnt already ???????? eer

Originally posted by thesilverspider
not durability thats for sure

Don't make my good friend Whirly post the site again !

I dunno, without being powered up by Death or the IG, or HOTU, or Cosmic cubes or whatever else, Superman would probably give Thanos a hell of a run though I'm not sure if he'd win or not, when Surfer went into superspeed to snatch the glove of Thanos' hand, Thanos couldn't even throw a full punch by the time he went by. When it's all added up Superman's speed strength durability and cunning in battle are nearly unrivaled. . He's a hell of a combination.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Don't make my good friend Whirly post the site again !

I'm sorry

Was I mistaken when I saw 13,000 on your thread count Whirly

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Golem is on the verge of becoming KMC's number one thread starter.

AWESOME as someone might once have said.

Where you ALEMASTER ?

Originally posted by golem370
Was I mistaken when I saw 13,000 on your thread count Whirly


Yes thats post count, thread count is very different

Originally posted by golem370
Was I mistaken when I saw 13,000 on your thread count Whirly
that's post count not thread count..........

Originally posted by thesilverspider
I'm sorry

You Should be !

Originally posted by thesilverspider
that's post count not thread count..........

Everybody outside of the comics forum on page 1 is in the 20,000 post range

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/memberlist.php?what=topstarters&perpage=25

"" counts as a post

Originally posted by Fishy 500
You Should be !



I know i'm a foolish man.................

King Thor kills Supes. Odin Kills Supes. Zeus kills Supes. The Vishnu kills Supes. Crom kills Supes.

Supes is a god only to his fans.

King Thor will have superman kiss his boots. And as for thanos will make superman his ***** so fast it wouldn't be funny.

Supes takes them apart in a fist fight he's stronger, faster and more durable.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Supes takes them apart in a fist fight he's stronger, faster and more durable.

Agreed !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Superman losses to Silver surfer due to a technicality i.e. absorption of radiation/ the creation of Kryptonite.

Power/strength/ durability wise Superman rapes Surfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha supes does not rape surfer..surfer is faster than supes and he has cosmic powers...yeah also i belive that surfer is more durable than supes.

Skyfathers can increase their strength, speed, durability and other abilities at will. Superman doesn't have snow ball chance in hell. Odin will literally f**k superman up with a passion, King Thor will work superman like Foreman worked Frazier.

Skyfathers>>>>> superman

Originally posted by the Darkone
Skyfathers can increase their strength, speed, durability and other abilities at will. Superman doesn't have snow ball chance in hell. Odin will literally f**k superman up with a passion, King Thor will work superman like Foreman worked Frazier.

Skyfathers>>>>> superman

Please give me a skyfather strength feat matching hihg end supes

Originally posted by spideycarnage
haha supes does not rape surfer..surfer is faster than supes and he has cosmic powers...yeah also i belive that surfer is more durable than supes.

Great .... you think that !

Like I said, Supes is only a god to his die hard fans.

Please give me a strength feat from a skyfather matching a high end Supes one

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Please give me a skyfather strength feat matching hihg end supes

Punching a hole in the destroyer cough cough !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Once again Thanos may have too many other abilities, but Strength and Speed, supes is nearly his equal !


Thanos can increase his strength at will and his durability. Thanos is cursed by death so his durability is greater than superman's, Thanos is indestructible superman is not. Thanos is so far above superman is not even funny, Thanos is almost like a skyfather level being at least mid level skyfather.

Skyfathers 10/10

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Like I said, Supes is only a god to his die hard fans.

Have you read Whirlys new thread on the Comic book forum ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Punching a hole in the destroyer cough cough !

Maggedon (cough)

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Like I said, Supes is only a god to his die hard fans.


Amen!! what's up Adam Warlock

What do you except from fanboys especially superman fanboys.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Have you read Whirlys new thread on the Comic book forum ?

I think that's unlikely It doesn't have Wolverine in.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thanos can increase his strength at will and his durability. Thanos is cursed by death so his durability is greater than superman's, Thanos is indestructible superman is not. Thanos is so far above superman is not even funny, Thanos is almost like a skyfather level being at least mid level skyfather.

Skyfathers 10/10

"Thanos is cursed by death so his durability is greater than superman's"

Death ; 'You are now more durable than Superman !'

Thanos; 'Who the **** is Superman'

Originally posted by the Darkone
Amen!! what's up Adam Warlock

What do you except from fanboys especially superman fanboys.

Warlock and Darkone the Batman and Robin of Marvel fans but which one is the brains and which one wears the speedos and booties

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Maggedon (cough)

That was a PIS moment ! IMO

Skyfather= pure raw power, they can do some much shit to superman it would be sad. If I was superman I wouldn't want to fight Odin or King Thor they are more ruthless in battle then the other sky fathers in especially in h2h combat.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
That was a PIS moment ! IMO

Maybe so but it's a recorded feat, Maggedon is so far above Skyfather it's not even worth considering.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Warlock and Darkone the Batman and Robin of Marvel fans but which one is the brains and which one wears the speedos and booties



From the pics i've seen of Warlock i hope Darkone is wearing the speedos

Originally posted by Fishy 500


From the pics i've seen of Warlock i hope Darkone is wearing the speedos

And whirlysplat is the ass licker for Dc comics. I think whirlysplat has wet dreams about superman, a lot.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Skyfather= pure raw power, they can do some much shit to superman it would be sad. If I was superman I wouldn't want to fight Odin or King Thor they are more ruthless in battle then the other sky fathers in especially in h2h combat.

"Skyfather= pure raw power,"

how do you come up with this retarded garbage ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Great .... you think that !

Intelligence: Gifted
Strength: Vast Superhuman Strength. The Silver Surfer can augment the strength of his cosmic energy-powered body to a degree that rivals the Hulk's formidable rage-enhanced strength. Hence, he can endow himself with Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) well over 100 tons.
Flight Speed: Warp Speed
Stamina: Godlike
Durability: Totally Indestructible
Agility: Enhanced human

I dont think Surfer would be a push over against supes..Supes definalty wount wipe the floor with him

Originally posted by the Darkone
And whirlysplat is the ass licker for Dc comics. I think whirlysplat has wet dreams about superman, a lot.

You like to think about me having wet dreams don't you

Is it because I have Chuck as my Avvy?

Originally posted by the Darkone
And whirlysplat is the ass licker for Dc comics. I think whirlysplat has wet dreams about superman, a lot.

Good 1 .... yes

yawn

Just like this garbage:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t384145.html

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Just like this garbage:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t384145.html

Thanks for posting that link, with a list of feats beyond Skyfather Good one Batman

Originally posted by spideycarnage
Intelligence: Gifted
Strength: Vast Superhuman Strength. The Silver Surfer can augment the strength of his cosmic energy-powered body to a degree that rivals the Hulk's formidable rage-enhanced strength. Hence, he can endow himself with Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) well over 100 tons.
Flight Speed: Warp Speed
Stamina: Godlike
Durability: Totally Indestructible
Agility: Enhanced human

I dont think Surfer would be a push over against supes..Supes definalty wount wipe the floor with him

"I dont think Surfer would be a push over against supes..Supes definalty wount wipe the floor with him"

Agreed ... but for raw power, Superman is definitely above the Surfer ! His feats are far superior ... get out whirlys thread and you'll se what i mean !

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Just like this garbage:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t384145.html

Mate for one minute remember how old you are, remember you have kids and a wife .... ok now explain to me why that thread is garbage ? Im really interseted ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Mate for one minute remember how old you are, remember you have kids and a wife .... ok now explain to me why that thread is garbage ? Im really interseted ?


Careful mate - he will report you

King Thor:

Destroying Desak in the Destroyer Armor:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/t98hy.jpg

Taking direct hits from Nuclear Missles:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/kingthor18yx.jpg

Melting Cap's shield:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/sheild0md.jpg

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Careful mate - he will report you





For what ? ..... I and i care !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
"I dont think Surfer would be a push over against supes..Supes definalty wount wipe the floor with him"

Agreed ... but for raw power, Superman is definitely above the Surfer ! His feats are far superior ... get out whirlys thread and you'll se what i mean !

yeah deffinalty Supes can over power Surfer with pure strength..i read that he can move planets..but i think overall with surfer's speed and cosmic powers we can sneek a win but bearly

Originally posted by olympian
Moon Feat. Note that he uses the Odinforce in the end and not the whole time.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9653/moonfeat27yk.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/316/moonfeat35th.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3686/moonfeat51bh.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8886/moonfeat65vu.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9869/moonfeat73lu.jpg

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
King Thor:

Destroying Desak in the Destroyer Armor:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/t98hy.jpg

Taking direct hits from Nuclear Missles:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/kingthor18yx.jpg

Melting Cap's shield:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/sheild0md.jpg




I might be wrong but surviving a million nukes seems more impressive than teleporting two ?

If you think that superman can beat skyfather level being, somebody must have drop you when you where baby or ***** slap with a passion. Superman is one of the toughest superheroes around but he is not a god not even a skyfather level being.

Odin will kill superman just with a gesture, all of us have seen Odin's rage it's not a pretty sight ask silver surfer, drax, Suture, Seth etc. Superman will not be able to withstand the onslaught that Odin will bring upon him.

Because superman is the first superhero and what he stands for is why other super heroes look up to him, but that doesn't mean he can beat lower ranking sky fathers to high level skyfathers in battle.

A real Skyfather

Originally posted by The Ion


The Allfather destroys Mangog with a gesture
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/tgtbats/Thor084-14.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor084-15.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor084-16.jpg

Sucks to be Loki
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor084-22.jpg

The Allfather unleashes the full might of the Godforce and decides to take a little nap but he'll be back.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor17.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor18-19.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor20.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor22-23.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/tgtrobin/Thor24.jpg

Originally posted by the Darkone
If you think that superman can beat skyfather level being, somebody must have drop you when you where baby or ***** slap with a passion. Superman is one of the toughest superheroes around but he is not a god not even a skyfather level being.

Odin will kill superman just with a gesture, all of us have seen Odin's rage it's not a pretty sight ask silver surfer, drax, Suture, Seth etc. Superman will not be able to withstand the onslaught that Odin will bring upon him.

Because superman is the first superhero and what he stands for is why other super heroes look up to him, but that doesn't mean he can beat lower ranking sky fathers to high level skyfathers in battle.

I agree that they would win .... If you read my posts you'll see this .... but in a pure sluggfest Superman holds his own !

Superman cannot come close to Odin king thor or even thanos hell he cant even beat surfer. Whoever thinks supes has got a chance against odin needs to have their head examined. Isnt odin a magical being and isnt supes weak against magic odin creates pocket universes while superman was killed by doomsday. This is not going to even be a fight it will simply be a massacre of supes

Originally posted by Eternity
Superman cannot come close to Odin king thor or even thanos hell he cant even beat surfer. Whoever thinks supes has got a chance against odin needs to have their head examined. Isnt odin a magical being and isnt supes weak against magic odin creates pocket universes while superman was killed by doomsday. This is not going to even be a fight it will simply be a massacre of supes

I can tell you've been reading the thread !

Maggedon

Imperiex

Superman isn't very powerful, not enough to take on any skyfather without PIS CIS.

He's sorta fast.
Sorta durable.
Pretty strong.
He's got decent out put of power(mid level heat vision..low level everything else).....but that's it.

No molecular control, no transmutation, no energy manipulation, no magic, no teleportation, no telepathy, no TK, no tech, no nothing.
He's VERY limited when compared to higher beings. He's a mid level Herald, nothing more nothing less.

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
Superman isn't very powerful, not enough to take on any skyfather without PIS CIS.

He's sorta fast.
Sorta durable.
Pretty strong.
He's got decent out put of power(mid level heat vision..low level everything else).....but that's it.

No molecular control, no transmutation, no energy manipulation, no magic, no teleportation, no nothing.
He's VERY limited when compared to higher beings. He's a mid level Herald, nothing more nothing less.
Yeah, I suppose if you're comparing him to Galactus he's only "sorta" fast, "sorta" strong, "sorta" durable.

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
Superman isn't very powerful, not enough to take on any skyfather without PIS CIS.

He's sorta fast.
Sorta durable.
Pretty strong.
He's got decent out put of power(mid level heat vision..low level everything else).....but that's it.

No molecular control, no transmutation, no energy manipulation, no magic, no teleportation, no telepathy, no TK, no tech, no nothing.
He's VERY limited when compared to higher beings. He's a mid level Herald, nothing more nothing less.

Go smoke some crack !

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
Superman isn't very powerful, not enough to take on any skyfather without PIS CIS.

He's sorta fast.
Sorta durable.
Pretty strong.
He's got decent out put of power(mid level heat vision..low level everything else).....but that's it.

No molecular control, no transmutation, no energy manipulation, no magic, no teleportation, no telepathy, no TK, no tech, no nothing.
He's VERY limited when compared to higher beings. He's a mid level Herald, nothing more nothing less.

I feel for you LP I hear dvamp and the others getting ready to pounce on you.

Originally posted by The Ion
Yeah, I suppose if you're comparing him to Galactus he's only "sorta" fast, "sorta" strong, "sorta" durable.
He's sorta strong compared to any high level cosmic or skyfather who has limitless strength.
He's kinda fast compared to Surfer.

Superman has 90% passive powers, the rest is mid level out put. He's very 1 dimensional compared to cosmics. Compared to humans, which he fights, I can understand why superman fans think he's so powerful.

He really isn't. He's just pretty strong, sorta durable, kinda fast.....nothing more.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Go smoke some crack !
Finally! CRACK TIME!

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Go smoke some crack !
LP smokes that ganja not crack

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
He's sorta strong compared to any high level cosmic or skyfather who has limitless strength.
He's kinda fast compared to Surfer.

Superman has 90% passive powers, the rest is mid level out put. He's very 1 dimensional compared to cosmics. Compared to humans, which he fights, I can understand why superman fans think he's so powerful.

He really isn't. He's just pretty strong, sorta durable, kinda fast.....nothing more.
And here am I wondering why Superman is being compared to high level cosmics. Mind you I think this thread is pretty silly. Supes isn't beating a skyfather but his strength and durability are above just about every superhero in Marvel or DC save for a handful. Ditto for his speed. His heat vision is anything but mid level again unless you compare him to people he shouldn't be compared to. Odin is rather "mid level" when you compare him to Mxy.

Odin or king Thor wins this 9.5/10 considering PIS. How can anyone think superman stands a chance of winning in this. This is almost worse than saying cyttorrak is greater than Galactus. Bring in pre crisis supes and then we have a good fight

Originally posted by thesilverspider
LP smokes that ganja not crack

Indeed .... he only likes to Eat crack shifty

If Thanos or Surfer's blasts are high level, Superman's heat vision is mid level.

But you're right, I probably shouldn't compare him to people so far above him.

Superman is high level compared to Iron man or something.

Originally posted by The Ion
And here am I wondering why Superman is being compared to high level cosmics. Mind you I think this thread is pretty silly. Supes isn't beating a skyfather but his strength and durability are above just about every superhero in Marvel or DC save for a handful. Ditto for his speed. His heat vision is anything but mid level again unless you compare him to people he shouldn't be compared to. Odin is rather "mid level" when you compare him to Mxy.

"Mind you I think this thread is pretty silly."

I think bumming Long Pig is pretty silly .... but each to their own !

His heat vision doesn't seem to have a limit He could destroy a planet with it which is the best I've seen from Surfer.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
"Mind you I think this thread is pretty silly."

I think bumming Long Pig is pretty silly .... but each to their own !
As silly as being a messageboard sidekick?

"who has limitless strength. "


yawn

Mate you and i both know this is Hand book B.S. Its never been proven !

Have you read Whirlys thread ?

Hmmmm Heat vision is mid level...... hmmm.......

Supes wrestles Angels

Originally posted by The Ion
As silly as being a message board sidekick?

"As silly as being a message board sidekick?"

Ironic .... coming from some one using a pattened G.S. retourt !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
"As silly as being a message board sidekick?"

Ironic .... coming from some one using a pattened G.S. retourt !

I think Yahman is far to devious to be a sidekick, I see him more as a taller version of Dr Psycho - He is truly dangerous.

The Dudley Moore to my Peter Cook perhaps.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think Yahman is far to devious to be a sidekick, I see him more as a taller version of Dr Psycho - He is truly dangerous.

The Dudley Moore to my Peter Cook perhaps.

Whirlys my mate, because he's one of the few on here with a sense of humour ....

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Whirlys my mate, because he's one of the few on here with a sense of humour ....

and Yahmans my mate because he is bloody funny in his own right and does not take this forum very seriously either.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
and Yahmans my mate because he is bloody funny in his own right and does not take this forum very seriously either.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww

Careful with my avvy people will talk

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Careful with my avvy people will talk




eek2

isnt this thread about King Thor vs a skyfather?

Originally posted by Mider
isnt this thread about King Thor vs a skyfather?

Nope Mider, it's about Supes.

Lists are cool, arent they.


" Please give me a skyfather strength feat matching hihg end supes "

They dont need to use strenght usually. They dont have as many appearances either. But just for grabs, Zeus without going all out has done to Thor what Superman in JLA/Avengers didnt do.

Cassually putting down Thor without straining.

Ko Namor with one move.

Ko immortal Herc with two.

Odin has ko with a single punch Ulik who is very close to Thors level of strenght.

And defeating Surtur who destroyed a galaxy just to forge a sword. And wrestling against SA Mangog.


"Imperiex"

What did he do besides getting beaten by Superman and having probes getting blasted by guys who werent even top tier.


"Supes wrestles Angels"

Thor and the like wrestle Gods and Cosmics.

Less than Supes

He beats up God Killers! People who Pantheons run and hide from!

Its always going to be less feats in quantity. One had two titles and another has four and the team ones.

Its the quality that counts and both have it.

God killers? Thats what Desaak was.

May. he. rest. in. peace.

Originally posted by olympian
Its always going to be less feats in quantity. One had two titles and another has four and the team ones.

Its the quality that counts and both have it.

God killers? Thats what Desaak was.

May. he. rest. in. peace.

True enough

superman has already proven he can knock out thor big time.

And who is denying that? It can go either way.

Saying he would -never- be able to do that, would be selling him short.

Originally posted by olympian
And who is denying that? It can go either way.

Saying he would -never- be able to do that, would be selling him short. hes done that to him already. look at JLA vs AVENGERS #2 in that comic book superman and thor go at it. thor gives him a big challenge big time. but superman was the last one standing.

Thats one out of 10 if you have noticed.

Originally posted by olympian
Thats one out of 10 if you have noticed. id say more than 1 big time

Obviously. If Superman only won one or two times out of 10, he wouldnt be a match for him.

Likewise for Thor.

I think the owning of Desaak was kinda silly. He was supposed to be immune to their power AND he was in the armor, but KT killed him in one blast. That's kinda dumb.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Maggedon

Imperiex



Odin beating his darkside that tapped into Infinity.

Imperiex? Supes needed to merge with Kismet.

Skyfather>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, without being powered up by Death or the IG, or HOTU, or Cosmic cubes or whatever else, Superman would probably give Thanos a hell of a run though I'm not sure if he'd win or not, when Surfer went into superspeed to snatch the glove of Thanos' hand.

1] Permanent power up by Death - Thanos Quest #1

After that, he was never powered up by her again. His curse by her prevents him from dying, not from being K.O.ed.

Superman would have trouble with the old Thanos; the one that fought Thor and Thing at once. Current Thanos slaps Supes around like he does Surfer, Thor, and Drax.



That's funny since Lobo, Mongul, and Metallo have all tagged/bust Supes up. WW and Captain Marvel have also taken shots from Supes without being K.O.ed. Speed and strength is going to overpower Thanos?

Originally posted by Beyonder

That's funny since Lobo, Mongul, and Metallo have all tagged/bust Supes up. WW and Captain Marvel have also taken shots from Supes without being K.O.ed. Speed and strength is going to overpower Thanos? "That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."

Originally posted by Juntai
"That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."

Thanos turned a Skrull into stone just by blinking his eyes. Supes gets turned to stone. Thanos knocked Galactus on his ass on one shot. Supes gets blasted to death.

Thanos blinked and imprisoned Odin in a force block - without using a gun. You may claim that it's a contridiction to when he used the gun, but Thanos himself said he hadn't perfected it right after he shot WM Thor. And there was an entire issue between when he shot Thor and his fight with Odin. When he imprisonned Odin, it was without any gun. Supes get trapped as well.

<<They dont need to use strenght usually. They dont have as many appearances either. But just for grabs, Zeus without going all out has done to Thor what Superman in JLA/Avengers didnt do.

Cassually putting down Thor without straining.

Ko Namor with one move.

Ko immortal Herc with two.>>

true. but don't forget herc ko'd zeus (non-canon) but still . . .

If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always!

Originally posted by roughrider
If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always!

i think all those feats are POST crisis . . .

"true. but don't forget herc ko'd zeus (non-canon) but still . . ."


Good call. I have that fight. There is only three "problems" besides the non cannon part.


1) Zeus wasent ko by Hercs final berserk attack. He was conscious.


2) Zeus didnt fought back the moment Hercules went berserk. And while one could say that he couldnt, i belive it wasent the case. Considering Zeus got up just fine after the attack, and told him it was all a test for him to become the new ruler of olympus.

...Wich was confirmed, when panels after, Zeus leaves this plane of existence where the other gods wer already. Leaving Herc on his new task.


3) Zeus prior to Herc gone berserk was only going physically with him, and made one of Herc`s eye and arm useless.


Plus the Avengers one its canon.

herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight. thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently. either way, the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them.

Originally posted by roughrider
If anyone post lists of Supes' feats, keep in mind pre-crisis S was just ridiculous, he is gone, forget him. People also giving heavy props to Thanos need to see again how he was taking his best shots at Odin, and the AllFather was still smacking him around.
And this whole SupermanvsThor-JLA/Avengers thing - we are supposed to debate on the merits of their abilities, not influenced by crossover compromises and such.
If first meetings are supposed to dicate all meetings forever on, then Lobo beats Superman always!

All post crisis feats RR supes really is that Super.

"herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight"

Wich was Zeus plan all along. He wanted to see the decision his son would make (being a murderous leader or a righteous one). Considering he got up without problems when Herc made his decision, ill take he could have done that when he wished for it.


"thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus "

One where all Zeus wanted was to make him busy so he wouldnt interfear with the Trojan War. Thor didnt had any advantage in the fight.

How we know Zeus didnt even wanted to kill him or get him badly injured?

With the following quotes :

"My Thunderbolts will not slay thee, nor are they meant to".

and:

" Thy death be inscribed from time out of mind in the book or ragnarok"

Right in the second page of the fight. All this saying of course Thor did had a great showing. Nothing weird for who at the time has made Ego and Galactus fleed for theyr life.



"and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently"

Weaker yes. But if anything he only went down faster than he did in the last one. Both times he didnt do anything.

Plus Hela`s curse didnt actually let him die iirc. She wanted him to live forever with his weaker bones that could be broken. Thus why he need to wear his armour.



"the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them"

Frustated because they wouldnt aknowlege defeat. And of course it finished when he had enough pretty quick. Not to mention the Avengers wer (most of them) knocked out more than once in that story, including fellow gods.

Originally posted by olympian
"herc looked ready to finish zeus off in that fight"

Wich was Zeus plan all along. He wanted to see the decision his son would make (being a murderous leader or a righteous one). Considering he got up without problems when Herc made his decision, ill take he could have done that when he wished for it.


"thor also had a months' long battle 1on1 with zeus "

One where all Zeus wanted was to make him busy so he wouldnt interfear with the Trojan War. Thor didnt had any advantage in the fight.

How we know Zeus didnt even wanted to kill him or get him badly injured?

With the following quotes :

"My Thunderbolts will not slay thee, nor are they meant to".

and:

" Thy death be inscribed from time out of mind in the book or ragnarok"

Right in the second page of the fight. All this saying of course Thor did had a great showing. Nothing weird for who at the time has made Ego and Galactus fleed for theyr life.



"and thor was badly weakened in that avengers confrontation or it might have ended differently"

Weaker yes. But if anything he only went down faster than he did in the last one. Both times he didnt do anything.

Plus Hela`s curse didnt actually let him die iirc. She wanted him to live forever with his weaker bones that could be broken. Thus why he need to wear his armour.



"the avengers DID pose a challenge to zeus who was getting frustrated AND angry before he finally finished them"

Frustated because they wouldnt aknowlege defeat imo.

thor did have a great showing. zeus admits he COULDN'T kill thor. an odd thing that i had forgotten. zeus did still look quite out of it when herc was ready to whack him with the axe and he didn't get up right way. no way to tell if herc could have finished it, but it did look that way.

frustrated because he couldn't beat them anywhere near as easily as he'd expected, iMo . . .

"thor did have a great showing. zeus admits he COULDN'T kill thor"

Because he wasent meant to. Thats clear in the story.


"zeus did still look quite out of it when herc was ready to whack him with the axe and he didn't get up right way. no way to tell if herc could have finished it, but it did look that way"

He was down, bloodied and asking Hercules what would his decision be. Rule by the axe or heart. Herc lets the axe fall on the floor and in the next panel Zeus is holding his son (blinded of one eye and with an useless arm) smiling and without any marks of battle.


"frustrated because he couldn't beat them anywhere near as easily as he'd expected, iMo . . ."

Except anytime they tried they would get ko. And at the beginning he was doing it casually.

Even the Avenger who was stated to -hurt- Zeus by giving all she had (Captain Marvel/Photon) was amazed he was standing up, and without any injuries. When they all dogpiled at him, one move made them all go down.
They had a pretty good showing, yes. But not one where i see Zeus had any real trouble of beating them. Likewise for his fights with Thor.

Getting frustated because he -couldnt- would imply he was doing his best. Wich wasent the case.

Getting frustated because say someone like Thanos like in his fight with odin wasent going down as easily as he would expect, while using a high range of his power its valid.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All post crisis feats RR supes really is that Super.

I'm not doubting Supes post-crisis ( 1986 on) is still super. Things proceeded on a steady, more consistent level since then; the wacko days of him pulling some new power out of his backside - so the writer gets out of a jam - to end things, doing something unimaginable etc. I don't like to see as evidence in the debates anymore. At least we put PC Supes in his own threads, but I gave up debating in those. All the crazy issues past, what can you say?

So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Not me.

If you take everything away that makes a "skyfather" a "skyfather" then you have Superman.

Strong/fast/mid-high level output and nothing else. SFs all have that as a base level.

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Not me either. Only his die haed fans do.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Superman losses to Silver surfer due to a technicality i.e. absorption of radiation/ the creation of Kryptonite.

Power/strength/ durability wise Superman rapes Surfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why is Sufer using his powers a technicality? Bias?

Anyway, Regular Thor would beat the mess outta Supes and so would King Thor. The Skyfathers would murder Supes and then feel bad about beating up on a helpless opponent.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Not me either. Only his die haed fans do.

Awww crap... Pulled a Thorv... haed = hard

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Awww crap... Pulled a Thorv... haed = hard

Ah, Thorv...

Originally posted by long pigg
So, people honestly believe Superman has a chance against a Sky Father?

Yup!! only the Supes haters seem to think he doesn't

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Angels all fodder for the man of steel.