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This question has probably been asked already, but I don't believe Dooku is really a sith lord. Here is my theory. He is one of the "Lost Twenty", Jedi who had left the order. Dooku was not seduced, but he was convinced that the Senate and the Republic was corrupt, which it was, and that there was no reason to defend it. He was able to use sith lightning, force choke, and he had a crimson colored lightsaber, so what. I belive Dooku was not a sith lord, but a pawn, whose role was to be a substitue for a new apprentice after Darth Maul was slain by Obi-Wan. He is most of the time a leader of the Seperatist Army. He, as well as the Seperatists, were tricked, and Dooku met his unfortunate death by a real sith lord. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. So to sum it up, just because he he can throw Obi around, and shoot a few bolts of lightning out of his hands, doesn't make him a sith lord. He actually follows the ideals of Qui-Gon more than a sith. He left the Jedi Order to break away from corruption, not to be great sith lord, besides the fact that he says"I've become more powerfull than any Jedi, even you!"It doesn't matter. He is a powerful Fallen Jedi/ Seperatist, not a Sith Lord.

alot of what you said is true, about him being the replacement and all.
but he would have had to commit himself to the dark arts compleatly in order to gain the skills of lightning and choke.
however, because he was around for such a short time we didn't get to see him use his full potential as a sith or jedi, also we did not see much of his ability to plan and scheem and the sith do.

but don't forget that in my mind dooku was a dull witted men, he couldn't even see that he was being played by sidious;

meditate on this i will......

Yes, of course he's a Sith Lord! They don't call him 'Darth Tyranus' for no reason. For the love of...

Is Dooku really a sith lord?

Yes, however temporary he was.

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yeah he's like the fill-in darth, much like our fill in pope

I don't like the fact that Dooku was thought of as a fill-in. If Anakin was not cut out for apprenticeship as a Sith or refused to turn, Dooku would have stayed on. He's was considerably powerful and a skilled swordsman in his own right.

Originally posted by Captain REX
I don't like the fact that Dooku was thought of as a fill-in. If Anakin was not cut out for apprenticeship as a Sith or refused to turn, Dooku would have stayed on. He's was considerably powerful and a skilled swordsman in his own right.

Even so, he was beaten by Anakin. A Lord with his hands cut off wouldn't do so much damage with a laser sword.

Well thats where the whole robotic hand thing comes in?

Originally posted by DucLangur
This question has probably been asked already, but I don't believe Dooku is really a sith lord. Here is my theory. He is one of the "Lost Twenty", Jedi who had left the order. Dooku was not seduced, but he was convinced that the Senate and the Republic was corrupt, which it was, and that there was no reason to defend it. He was able to use sith lightning, force choke, and he had a crimson colored lightsaber, so what. I belive Dooku was not a sith lord, but a pawn, whose role was to be a substitue for a new apprentice after Darth Maul was slain by Obi-Wan. He is most of the time a leader of the Seperatist Army. He, as well as the Seperatists, were tricked, and Dooku met his unfortunate death by a real sith lord. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. So to sum it up, just because he he can throw Obi around, and shoot a few bolts of lightning out of his hands, doesn't make him a sith lord. He actually follows the ideals of Qui-Gon more than a sith. He left the Jedi Order to break away from corruption, not to be great sith lord, besides the fact that he says"I've become more powerfull than any Jedi, even you!"It doesn't matter. He is a powerful Fallen Jedi/ Seperatist, not a Sith Lord.

But when the Dark Lord of the Sith, calls you... Apprentice....... You are probably a Sith Lord.

I believe it might not be entirely the fact that Dooku could use the lightning and other force powers, but more his point of view. In the novelization of RotS, Dooku is completely focused on "world domination" all of his views are focused on ruling the Republic, overthrowing Sidious, and building an army of the Sith. Dooku was in and of himself, every particle of his being...a sith lord.
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~S.L.

Dooku killed his former chum Syfo and gained the title of sith lord and recieved the honourable name of 'Darth Tyrannus'.

Ha! You all didn't know that, did you?! Muhahah!!

who was this guy sifo, was he a master, i hear his name in clone wars.
and dooku was good but he ws too old, palps needed fresh blood, some one who could at least fight decently.

Originally posted by DucLangur
This question has probably been asked already, but I don't believe Dooku is really a sith lord. Here is my theory. He is one of the "Lost Twenty", Jedi who had left the order. Dooku was not seduced, but he was convinced that the Senate and the Republic was corrupt, which it was, and that there was no reason to defend it. He was able to use sith lightning, force choke, and he had a crimson colored lightsaber, so what. I belive Dooku was not a sith lord, but a pawn, whose role was to be a substitue for a new apprentice after Darth Maul was slain by Obi-Wan. He is most of the time a leader of the Seperatist Army. He, as well as the Seperatists, were tricked, and Dooku met his unfortunate death by a real sith lord. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. So to sum it up, just because he he can throw Obi around, and shoot a few bolts of lightning out of his hands, doesn't make him a sith lord. He actually follows the ideals of Qui-Gon more than a sith. He left the Jedi Order to break away from corruption, not to be great sith lord, besides the fact that he says"I've become more powerfull than any Jedi, even you!"It doesn't matter. He is a powerful Fallen Jedi/ Seperatist, not a Sith Lord. How do I say "Duh" without sounding rude?

It was just a thought. I know he was a sith lord, but I think I overlooked the situation. I apoligize for my absolute stupidity.

A flaw more and more common among KMC Members these days, even the older, more experienced ones.

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Well I hate it.

It's an interesting thought, though, with a kernel of truth I figure. When Dooku first left, I would like to believe that it was a sincere move on his part to leave behind the ineffective bureaucracy and possible corruption of the Jedi Order in order to seek his own destiny. Along the way, however, he was clearly seduced to the Dark Side.

So we noticed.

Originally posted by mtryder
It's an interesting thought, though, with a kernel of truth I figure. When Dooku first left, I would like to believe that it was a sincere move on his part to leave behind the ineffective bureaucracy and possible corruption of the Jedi Order in order to seek his own destiny. Along the way, however, he was clearly seduced to the Dark Side. How do I say "Duh," without sounding rude?

The same way you've said that statement in every other instance.

But of course!

"Du-HA!

When Sidious name him Darth Tyranus he would of had to of pledged himself to the Order of The Sith Lords as did Anakin. So of course he's a Sith Lord. For the love of God...

He uses force lightning - which i think is impossible to perform without Sith training

You don't have to be a Sith to perform "Sith Lightning." The Dark Jedi have used it too.

Dooku was a Sith Lord, but that's just a title unlike Sidious, Maul and Vader he was not that corrupted by the Dark Side, that's also why his eyes stayed normal and didn't turn red/Yellow like with the others. You have to be a true Sith Lord to have those eyes. Dooku was more a political leader...he was not really after the destruction of the Jedi. Sure because of him a lot were killed in the war, but that's what war is. The Jedi became military targets but to Dooku they were not the enemies like Sidious saw them. Sidious was after revenge, Dooku wasn't.

Ah geez, how can you say that thing against the background of GL specifically making him a full and proper Sith Lord? Forget about the damn eyes- they were simply not stylisitically appropriate for him.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ah geez, how can you say that thing against the background of GL specifically making him a full and proper Sith Lord? Forget about the damn eyes- they were simply not stylisitically appropriate for him.

I agree with that the eyes would not look good on Christopher Lee...it would almost be ridiculous! But that doesn't take the rest away what I said. Did Dooku have as much rage as the rest had. Did Dooku really show expressions of hate on his face, no...he's not a proper Sith...he's a political leader which was good for the war. Dooku was a good apprentice but Sidious knew he would be replaced by Anakin.

Dooku was a practioner of the Dark Side, and a Sith Lord. He had abilities which are only affiliated with the Dark. He did things that were affiliated only with the Dark.

In this sense, he can be argued to be similar to Revan, only going Sith to save the galaxy, or in this case, stop a corrupt galaxy. But this isn't a Revan discussion, so...

He DID turn to the Dark Side, but like Ush said, Christopher Lee's character just doesn't suit the physical traits and personalitly that say, Anakin or Palpatine has. That's why he's so calm, never yells, didn't even make a sound when he lost his hands, never begged, did NOTHING out Lee's expected persona.

And he's Dracula.

you have to be a master to use the force. so yes he is a master

Originally posted by preysin
you have to be a master to use the force. so yes he is a master

...wtf?

master of what might i ask....

and the whole eyes thing, somebody said you have to be a sith to get the change in eye pigment....WRONG!, vader was only ever a DARK JEDI, NOT a SITH. as someone else pointed out.
The reason he was on the record as being dark and not sith was because he was always fighting inside himself, having doubts about his chosen course. also the fact that in the end of the sega, he redeemed himself and joined all the gang in the halls of the jedi.

and i think the reason dooku's body was not effected was because he was a n00b in the sith ranks, sure he was a darth and sure he swung some electricity around but did he during fights or in his spare time use another sith or other wise helpful force powers, no i don't think so ( correct me if in wrong there ), also if he did he would not even have to bother fighting ani and obi in ROTS because he would have used force comprehension during there first fight in AOTC, and own in ROTS.

also during the Ariel pursuit in AOTC, during which padme falls and ani has to be put in his place, why did dooku not use force Storm and wipe out the plane.

im sure if i looked and the DVD's again id come back with heaps of the same instance.

Dooku is just not as consumed by the Dark Side as the others. The others believed more in the Sith ideals...Dooku believed more in something else and that is restoring the galaxy altho in his own hard way...Being a Sith is like being addicted to drugs...You're addicted to the Dark Side, both Maul and Vader were slaves, Dooku wasn't. He was more a pawn. Altho they both don't appear as slaves they knew they were slaves. This is very much reveiled in ROTJ, where Vader had no choice but fighting his son. Some wonder when he began to feel sympathy for his son, that only happened when Luke started dying by the emperor's hands. Vader was selfish through out the entire film until then.

Sure there was good in him. But you had to search deep to find it. But eventually Luke did. I guess the only true Sith in the Star Wars saga are Maul and Sidious. For a moment Darth Vader was in ROTS. He had nothing but hatred and was selfish to the bottem until he came back to his senses in the medical lab on Coruscant where he learns about Padmé's death and began to hate himself.

We never got to learn who Maul originally was, but this is also important when you become a Sith. Maybe even the most important. It's like your soul dying. Like Obi-Wan said "...when that happened the good man who was your father was destroyed" Yoda said "The boy you trained, gone is he, consumed by Darth Vader"
Dooku wasn't consumed by Darth Tyranus. Maul was consumed by his Sith identity. He totally forgot who he was as did Anakin altho he didn't realise it that he was dying. When you see the funeral of Padmé, you see Anakin getting carried to the medical lab. Those represent two funerals, the one of Padmé and Anakin. Anakin died, Vader was born. That is why he looks so young as a ghost in ROTJ
But Dooku wasn't consumed by his Sith identity. He kept his identity, because he knew it would be useful. As a true Sith he wouldn't have kept his identity even if it was useful.
You say Sidious did the same, wrong. Sidious used the name Palpatine, but was always Darth Sidious. Count Dooku was always Count Dooku.

Those are some good points, but I must correct a few.

Padme was giving birth when Vader was going into rehab, she died after that, Anakin had already been strolled in.

Palpatine was always known as Palpatine, and always would be known as Palpatine. So very few knew his Sith identity. I'm pretty sure when he was born, he was named Darth Sidious.

Dooku was one of the rare Sith who was not wholly consumed by the Dark, nor did he fully immerse himself into Sith teachings, but he did so enough to earn him the title of "Sith Lord."

yeah you right, it didn't happen the same time, but still the carrying of Anakin in the rehab represents his funeral.

Palpatine was probably the name he always had and Darth Sidious the name he got from his master Darth Plagueis. But he was always known as Palpatine, true but remember what Darth Vader said to Luke "That name no longer has any mean to me" Same with Palpatine in my theory. In his own he was Darth Sidious, to the people he was known as Emperor Palpatine.

And yes he earned the title of Sith Lord...it has been granted to him by Darth Sidious himself, the master, but does that make you a true Sith...afteral it is just a title. Being one is different.

If that were the case, you'd think Dooku would've presented Assaj Ventress and Quinlon Vos with Sith Title, to "boost their confidence in their own abilities." I have a hard time seeing a reason why Dooku would take up an apprenticeship to the Dark Lord, earn himself a Sith Title, and do the menacing stuff a Sith does, just to not actually become a Sith.

The reason Dooku became a Sith is because, like Qui-Gon, he was always a rebel in the Jedi order, he saw the corruption as is said, but then he took it too far and ended up leaving the Jedi Order, thats all

That's WHY he became a Sith, but IF he actually became a Sith is questionable. I do agree with Cascador that he didn't fully immerse himself into the Sith ideals or practises, but I also don't see him NOT becoming a Sith. (see my above post)

Yeah I understand, he certainly wasnt like Darth Maul or Darth Sidious aka all evil. He had his reasons, and they took him down a dark path. He was named a Sith probably just cause of Palps wanting to use him. After Maul was killed, Palps had his eyes on Anakin from day one, he never intended for Dooku to forever be his apprentice, he was just a puppet to do his work until he didnt need him anymore

Poor bugger never saw it coming...until....PHIZSLICE!

TS for him, but what a cool death!

He has the title of sith lord, but he is not truly a sith lord like the others. He is not pure evil, but he is consumed with power. Darth Maul, Darth Sidious use rage to power them, while Dooku still follows the swift, smooth ways of the jedi. Check out that his fighting syle is much more elegant, than darth maul, and darth vader who just slash,twirl, slash, with rage.

his fighting style is makashi, which is not a dark style.
it's taught at all acadamys breifly but because it's once of the hardest known saber styles few exell at it, but dooku did.
the style is based on saber to saber combat thats why he was able to own obi a near master of soresu, the most defensive and near perfect style in my opinion and ani at the time a well known practitionar of shien/djem jo, an agressive sith like style often frowned apon by the masters.

for all this and more see wiki or the books.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I'm pretty sure when he was born, he was named Darth Sidious.

What'chu talking about, ese? I don't think his parents on Naboo named him "Darth Sidious".

Palpatine and Dooku may have been their given names, but they were only public personas, homes. Sidious and Tyrannus were their true identities that only a few knew about, ey.

it's true!

Originally posted by bogen
his fighting style is makashi, which is not a dark style.
it's taught at all acadamys breifly but because it's once of the hardest known saber styles few exell at it, but dooku did.
the style is based on saber to saber combat thats why he was able to own obi a near master of soresu, the most defensive and near perfect style in my opinion and ani at the time a well known practitionar of shien/djem jo, an agressive sith like style often frowned apon by the masters.

for all this and more see wiki or the books.

yeah altho Dooku has the title of a Sith Lord he still considered himself to be a Jedi...from a certain point of view cause he felt that the Jedi were on the wrong side. This is EU so I guess not cannon tho. But he tried to convince more Jedi to join him like Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos etc...
if Dooku stayed and Anakin died, he would have tried to create another Jedi order.

Yeah, He has the title. Your right Cascador, he is not a true agressive, hatred bound man. He just wats to break free of corruption of the Jedi ways. I guess you could call him a Jedi Seperatist.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What'chu talking about, ese? I don't think his parents on Naboo named him "Darth Sidious".

Palpatine and Dooku may have been their given names, but they were only public personas, homes. Sidious and Tyrannus were their true identities that only a few knew about, ey. My bad. My first spelling mistake around here in minths.

Why does everyone think that Count Dooku wouldn't look good with those yellow eyes? He was a kick-ass vato, ey? It woulda made him look even more evil! Orale!

Dooku is a sith lord.

I'm the uber contributer to the forums, case closed!!

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why does everyone think that Count Dooku wouldn't look good with those yellow eyes? He was a kick-ass vato, ey? It woulda made him look even more evil! Orale!

Wouldn't suit with his white hair lol

Simon Carnalito... Dooku estas el primero locstero!!

Y Dooku llevas los grande testes, pero el joto Anakin estas un panocha.

Anakin es mi novia!!!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Simon Carnalito... Dooku estas el primero locstero!!

Y Dooku llevas los grande testes, pero el joto Anakin estas un panocha.

Anakin es mi novia!!!

Simon, ese! Pinche Anakin estas un panocha! Pinche joto!

El es tu novia??? Ay guey!, a la velga!!!

Hey dude, haven't seen too many chicanos who are starwars fans(not that there aren't any, obviously, there are! ) I hope that you keep on posting, I haven't talked in Spanish to anybody since I moved from the Bay Area, like 2 years ago.

Bienvenidos, Quiero Mota, tu eres el Merro Merro of the KMC.

It was a great blow to the Jedi order when Count Dooku voluntarily renounced his commission. A strong-minded man, Dooku's ideas were often out of step with those of the Jedi Council, despite the fact that his former mentor, Yoda, held a lofty position in that governing body. His challenging views were often echoed by his former Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn, another Jedi who would on occasion defy the Council.

Dooku was a political idealist. He felt that the Jedi weakened themselves by serving an institution as corrupt as the Republic. After his departure, he disappeared for years, re-emerging as a political firebrand fanning the flames of rebellion in the galaxy. In an alarmingly short time, Dooku rallied thousands of systems to his cause, building a growing Separatist movement that threatened to split the Republic.

Opportunists working in Dooku's name would start flashpoints of violence, and it was all the Jedi could do to maintain order in these turbulent times. For all the strife, the Jedi Council refused to believe that Dooku was personally responsible for the worst of the conflicts, believing that his Jedi training elevated him above such acts.

But the Jedi didn't realize Dooku's secret. Behind a veneer of elegant charisma and well-tabled political arguments, Dooku had been corrupted by the power of the dark side. After his departure from the Jedi order, Dooku was seduced to the dark side by Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. By Sith tradition, Dooku adopted the name Darth Tyranus and added deceit and treachery to his already formidable array of weapons.

In both guises, Dooku began recruiting agents for what would eventually amount to the death of the Old Republic. As Tyranus, he contacted the notorious bounty hunter Jango Fett to become the template for a hidden clone army on Kamino. As Dooku, he appealed to the greed of the galaxy's most powerful commerce barons to consolidate their forces to challenge the Republic.

Deep within the mighty spires of Geonosis, Dooku chaired a meeting of the minds to formally create the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Separatist Senators alongside representatives from the Commerce Guild, the Trade Federation, the Corporate Alliance, the InterGalactic Banking Clan and the Techno Union pooled their resources together to form the largest military force in the galaxy. The Separatists were ready for war.

The Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi discovered the treasonous meeting and warned the Republic, but not without being captured. Dooku met with Kenobi in the Geonosian dungeons, and revealed to Obi-Wan the truth about the Republic -- that it was, in fact, becoming increasingly under the control of Darth Sidious. Distrusting of Dooku's words, Obi-Wan refused to believe and refused to join Dooku in rooting out the corruption.

Kenobi was soon joined by Anakin Skywalker and Padmé Amidala, who had come to Geonosis in an ill-fated attempt to rescue him. Dooku placed the three captive heroes in an execution arena, but their deaths were staved off by the timely arrival of Jedi reinforcements.

The droid armies of the Separatists engaged the Jedi, and later the newly crafted Clone Army of the Republic. Dooku attempted to escape but was intercepted by Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi. The two Jedi challenged Dooku to a lightsaber duel, but Dooku's masterful skills in old-style lightsaber combat made short work of the younger combatants. As they lay wounded, another Jedi entered into Dooku's secret hangar.

The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled.

Dooku escaped, with the Jedi aware of his succumbing to the dark side, but yet still unaware of his Sith allegiance. Aboard his exotic interstellar sail ship, Dooku traveled to a decrepit warehouse district on Coruscant. There, he met with his master, Darth Sidious, and delivered the good news: the Clone Wars had begun.

For three long years, warfare ripped apart the galaxy. The Confederacy and the Republic did combat on a wide variety of planets. Military command of the droid armies fell to General Grievous, the deadly cyborg general that Dooku partially trained in the Jedi arts. Whereas Dooku handled a lightsaber with finesse and accuracy, Grievous used his bizarre mechanical anatomy to wield up to four lightsabers in a blurring haze of brutal lacerating energy.

At the end of the Clone Wars, the Separatists staged a daring strike against the Republic. The Confederacy had penetrated Coruscant's defenses and absconded away with the kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine.

It was all a ruse: Palpatine was in fact Darth Sidious, and Dooku was his apprentice. But Dooku was unaware of Palpatine's master plan. The kidnapping was a test of a prospective new Sith apprentice. Blazing onto General Grievous' flagship -- the vehicle of escape for Dooku and his "captive" -- were the Jedi heroes Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. Once again Dooku dueled with the Jedi pair. He bested Kenobi, knocking the Jedi unconscious with a brutal Force push, but was unable to overpower Skywalker. Goading the fiery-tempered young man throughout the duel, Dooku thought he had the upper hand until Anakin outmaneuvered him.

Skywalker severed both of Dooku's hands and snatched the Sith Lord's red-bladed weapon. Dooku fell to his knees before Skywalker, who was now holding two lightsabers at his throat. "Kill him," advised Palpatine -- and Dooku fully realized that treachery was the way of the Sith. He was expendable, Dooku realized. Skywalker was the true prize, the gifted apprentice, the new Sith.

This understanding awakened in him as Skywalker crossed his blades, severing Dooku's head.

read this you might learn somthing.

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Wow I skipped most of that, but the topic isn't "Is Dooku a Sith despite his title."

It's if he actually is a Sith "at heart." Does he know have access to Arcane Sith knowledge, does he do what the stereotypical Sith always do, not counting the deceit, etc. etc...

yes i beleve dooku is a sith loard but sidious rushed him into it thats why he is laking a few sith qualitys sidious needed a new aprentense and fast.

*Cough* Spellcheck*Cough*

He's from Konoha, his English won't be so good.

Wait, dude...were the f*ck is Konoha?

Originally posted by Lee-San28
yes i beleve dooku is a sith loard but sidious rushed him into it thats why he is laking a few sith qualitys sidious needed a new aprentense and fast.

lol, seriously he does need a spellchecker, lol. I'll rewrite it, spelled correctly.

Yes I believe Dooku is a sith lord, but sidious rushed him into it, that's why he is lacking a few sith qualities. Sidious needed a new apprentice and fast.

capitlize Sidious and Sith Lord.

(waits) (walks off)

oopsies I have totally been mortified, jk lol