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I personally am very happy with the high quality debating we see on this forum, the polite way others accept individuals rights and respects each others colour, creed and sexuality . However I belong to other forums out there like many of you and at least one has decided to go further in it's protection of posters, would there be any value in pertitioning Raz for the sort of policy out lined below? It might prevent some of the incidents we have seen in 2005 though.

The below is a list of the general rules that the staff enforce on the ---------- forums. They should not be confused with a binding list with which to hide behind, but a common sense list to be used as a guideline for members. To that end staff are NOT limited solely to enforcing the rules listed here and can, as a whole, decide to go beyond the rules here, or even disregard them as special circumstances might dictate. This policy list is perfectly open to amendment and policies can be added or detracted, retroactively, as the staff deems fit.

This should be considered a warning, a policy in itself, no lawyering over these policies will be permitted. There is only one truly binding rule at -------- and that is that if the staff, as a whole, disagree with your actions, those actions are wrong.

1. No Flaming.
Flaming, as far as policy is concerned, is in respect to personal attacks in debate. As a rule of thumb this is considered to have got out of hand when the integral points being debated have degenerated to a secondary position to the personal attacks being thrown. Debates DO get heated, and all moderators take this into account, but they should never reach the point where insult takes precedence over the points raised. Personal attacks include attacks based on intelligence, race, sexual orientation, or religious belief.

2. No Pornography or Excessive Violence.
Pornography is considered to be the posting of pictures or artwork depicting nudity (except certain artistic depictions, check with a moderator) or sexual acts. Excessive violence is considered to be pictures or videos which contain real or realistic use of excessive gore and which can be considered to be far outside commonly accepted rules of decency and would be unsuitable for minors.
Exception to this policy exists in the Anime Forum, which has a basic age verification process in force. Rules are more relaxed in this forum, but are still limited to what might be considered to be drawn or animated soft nudity (namely that which is NOT in the process of a sexual act).

3. Remain on Topic.
Nearly all topics will drift, and this is something that all the moderators are aware of and take into account. It's what makes debates interesting. BUT the act of outright thread hijacking (deliberate or accidental) is not permitted. An example might be a debate on spacecraft with the mention of the Apollo program and someone deciding to use that as an excuse to talk about Apollo and other ancient mythology. Perpetrators will be asked to form a new thread on the subject, persistent perpetrators will be punished.

4. No Spamming.
Spamming includes but is not limited to nonsense posts and posts that are commercial in nature. A little bit of fun here and there is usually good for the forums, but as with the flaming rules if the actual points being debated have become secondary to the nonsense being thrown around they have reached an unacceptable limit. Commercial advertisement is never acceptable or permitted by members.

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This includes peer to peer sites like "Kazaa", "Napster" and sites cataloguing bittorrent files. In gaming this would relate to "warez" and websites allowing the downloading of games. If in doubt, don't post it.

7. No Hate Speech.
This includes the advocating of genocide or active discrimination of a particular race or religion. We are willing to allow for many unconventional and unpopular opinions to be discussed on our forums but NOT to the point where one could be considered to be hate-mongering. An example of this would be the proposition to nuke the Vatican, or Mecca. If you discuss topics bordering on hate speech you will be expected to have solid and factual reasoning to back up your opinions.

8. Keep Swearing to a Minimum.
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9. Plagiarism will not be Tolerated.
Members posting material they did not write must provide proper sources, and claims of plagiarism will be seriously investigated.

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To put this simply one should be expected to back up their science or history based opinions with compulsive reasoning and preferably solid fact. The nature of serious debate is understandably subjective, and staff are expected to use their own common sense to guide their judgement on the issue. Consistent statement of opinion in ths regard without solid backup can be considered trolling, and would be deemed unacceptable.
This rule is extended to Versus Debates, also, where opinions in debate are expected to be backed up by valid references under the accepted canon rules.

10. additional - Hate speech is not allowed. This includes but is not limited to the advocation of genocide of any religion, race or nationality, and the advocation of the destruction of any religious or national city or structure. It also includes but is not limited to religions, ethnic, gender or sexual orientation.

11. Harassment is not Permitted.
If someone does not want your company outside of the forums (or inside, via PMs) you have no right to force yourself on them. Members are under no obligation to respond to your IMs or PMs. Harassment of the female population is most especially unacceptable. If you have a bad history with another person from real life or another forum don't bring it to -------------. Members found to be outright harassing another can find themselves under staff review, and possible permanent banning.

With regard versus debates;
12. Accepted Canon Rules Apply.
The recognised canon in a given debate will depend upon the opening post or upon the existing guidelines established by the franchises in question. Any arguments over the nature of canon or what qualifies as such will be restricted to threads devoted to the topic. Any arguments over canon policy in a thread not devoted to that topic will be treated as a thread hijack, and dealt with accordingly.

13. No Spoilers
A spoiler is something that reveals plot points of a book, film or TV series that might not otherwise be known to other posters. In all normal threads they should only be posted in a hidden form (text the same colour as background or an outside link) WITH clearly readable warnings as to them being possible spoilers. Spoiler threads can be created, with a clearly labeled title, and in these threads the subject can be openly talked about without having to make undue effort to hide spoilers. It would be considered equally bad by the staff to post spoilers in a non-spoiler thread as to complain about spoilers in a spoiler thread.

Common sense is the main factor in deciding what is and is not a spoiler. The plot of the Empire Strikes Back, and the revelation that Darth Vader is Luke's father, would not be something generally accepted to be covered by this rule but more obscure pieces, irrespective of age, should be treated with more care. By that same token material which is freely advertised (trailers, official press releases, TV guides etc etc) will not commonly be classed as a spoiler (if the creators don't think it is, we sure as hell will not). At the end of the day you should place spoiler warnings if there is any doubt in your mind.

Complaints Procedure;

While the decisions of the staff, as a whole, are final it is permitted and encouraged for any issue over moderational decisions to be questioned privately with the staff. The procedure is as follows;

1. A Personal Message (PM) or instant message (ICQ, MSN etc, where applicable) should be sent to the moderator who participated in the questionable act.

2. If you receive no response, or you find the response not to your satisfaction, you may direct your inquiries to the Regional Moderator (if applicable) of the forum group in which the incident happened. The Spacebattles General Forums.

3. Should you still find the outstanding issue unresolved you can make an appeal to the s have an overall responsibility over the whole forum.

4. The final resort if all this is unsatisfactory is to speak to the administrators themselves. It should be noted that the administrators are busy people and they might not appreciate trivial matters being placed on their doorstep. Once this procedure is exhausted the administrator decision is final.

********. Hate speech is not allowed. This includes but is not limited to the advocation of genocide of any religion, race or nationality, and the advocation of the destruction of any religious or national city or structure. It also includes but is not limited to religions, ethnic, gender or sexual orientation.

I have posted a pole although its Statistical relevance is 0.

If, after following all guidelines listed above, you can still create a post that consists of two or more words, you win an award.

Originally posted by botankus
If, after following all guidelines listed above, you can still create a post that consists of two or more words, you win an award.

Strangely the above forum has many good debates in it, but....... It has a lot less hate speak etc.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have posted a pole although its Statistical relevance is 0.

by the way why I put pole and not poll is a as mysterious to me as it is stupid - brain fart I think.

What is your point, Whirly? Just run it by me again.

Originally posted by Syren


What is your point, Whirly? Just run it by me again.

Do we get to much hate speak, do the debates in the GDF degenerate into flaming to quickly. Would a different set of Guidelines help?

The Forums are fine as far as I can see. The Globals can take care of any problem that the GDF and others run across. Although the point you are trying to get across is a good one. It is Overall Futile. Only the members with enough sense not to do those things would take the time to read them all, completely defeating the purpose. The GDF can get rowdy at times. After all it is basically a debate forum, and people will disagree with others. I think More Warnings need to be sent out to those who don't respect one another's opinion.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Do we get to much hate speak, do the debates in the GDF degenerate into flaming to quickly. Would a different set of Guidelines help?

Yes, yes and probably

But it would also remove the comfortable atmosphere we have. Regardless of the minority of members who are determined to bring every discussion to its knees, KMC is generally a friendly forum where most of us feel able to state opinions and partake in a mature discussion. Don't you think that tightening the regulations we already have would perhaps turn KMC into an inaccessible forum? There's a fine line there, if we could make the rules more strict and still retain the forum's current level of openness then great. But I find it hard to believe it's possible

Originally posted by Syren
Yes, yes and probably

But it would also remove the comfortable atmosphere we have. Regardless of the minority of members who are determined to bring every discussion to its knees, KMC is generally a friendly forum where most of us feel able to state opinions and partake in a mature discussion. Don't you think that tightening the regulations we already have would perhaps turn KMC into an inaccessible forum? There's a fine line there, if we could make the rules more strict and still retain the forum's current level of openness then great. But I find it hard to believe it's possible

As I said I agree with you but a number of people are constantly critical, so I thought unlike most of these type of threads add a possible alternative.

shit

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As I said I agree with you but a number of people are constantly critical, so I thought unlike most of these type of threads add a possible alternative.

Hmm, I suggest a permanent ban for all intentionally obnoxious idiots. Not including myself of course eyes

7. No Hate Speech.

10. additional - Hate speech is not allowed.



You Repeated yourself... yes I read everything.

I have never herd of ANYBODY being offended by Gore.

In My Opinion, If they come to a forum where Movies are Discussed, and Kill Bill was Rated 13, And you saw somebody LITERLY drowning ina pool of blood, Gore is NOT an isssue.

13. No Spoilers

Thats why we have Spoiler Tags.

2. If you receive no response, or you find the response not to your satisfaction,

Not To Your Satisfaction? Thats Bull.

"Moderator X - I am Sorry"
"Member X - Sorry Doesn't Cut it."

AnyWrong DoingBy an Appointed Mod should eb delt with Raz Directly.

PLUS That entire Mod not acting good os totally off, Becasue all a Mod can be sayniog is "Don'T do that mister" And the member goes wild becasue she hates authority.

I don't even know who you are to Suggest such things.

This is PG 13, When is the last time you saw a PG 13 movie that resembled Teletubie Land?

I say Gore is permissable, And Appropriate Swear (not to much Example of too much being "Fvck You You mother Fvcking Fvcker"

Is allwoed, this is PG 13 and NOT "Familly Friendly"

IF anybody is offended, Well, Revert back to the V chip. NEVER have I herd anybody complain about gore, Yes for swearing, but only in the bove case.





This is, First and Formost a Movie Discussion Board.

I'm not sure I see the point of this thread.

We already have a set of rules that suit us fine.

Originally posted by Raz
I'm not sure I see the point of this thread.

We already have a set of rules that suit us fine.

However a fair bit of hate speak goes on on KMC particularly about ethnic minorities Raz this worries me.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
However a fair bit of hate speak goes on on KMC particularly about ethnic minorities Raz this worries me.

Where?...when? ....are you lying?....yes!

I read half and went to eat popcorn and now I read the other happen. Good points in some of the rules, and most of that is in the kmc rules already but I think you went in detail.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Where?...when? ....are you lying?....yes!

Not in my opinion Bardock

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I read half and went to eat popcorn and now I read the other happen. Good points in some of the rules, and most of that is in the kmc rules already but I think you went in detail.

thank you - It's the rules on "hate speak" I think KMC would benefit from!

What is Pg13 exactly. I think should be more in detail because 15 threads I see does not look pg13 but mods post in it lol.

Whirly, you should put examples and stuff(like where do you see the speeches) and what forums.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
What is Pg13 exactly. I think should be more in detail because 15 threads I see does not look pg13 but mods post in it lol.

Whirly, you should put examples and stuff(like where do you see the speeches) and what forums.

Thats a very good idea twister, I will star reposting it in this thread. Excellent!

Hate speech is covered under the "Controversial Topics" & "Courtesy" sections.

think the rules are good as they are now, they have always worked very well. Only thing that gets me annoyed are the off-topic comments that have been popping up in every thread since 2002 and on. AND I BLAME THE OTF AND IT'S EVIL INFLUENCE FOR THAT (edit )

so who likes popcorn.

I don't see any 'hate speech' anywhere in the forums.

Originally posted by Trickster
I don't see any 'hate speech' anywhere in the forums.

Well I am going to start posting any from here on in, anti race comments, anti gay comments etc. I will not use past examples to make my point!!!!!

Originally posted by Raz
Hate speech is covered under the "Controversial Topics" & "Courtesy" sections.

With all due repect Raz I have never seen that enforced.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
With all due repect Raz I have never seen that enforced. Really? Some references would be nice.

Originally posted by Raz
Really? Some references would be nice.

Todays hate speak although it has been shut by the mods (well done)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t386642.html

and that's hate speak because PVS insulted the ruler of Iran?

Sure he could have said it in a nicer way, but even I think the right of free speech goes that far (as long as nobody reports it, mods have no way of knowing when someone is insulted. And that to me is the key to what is hate speak)

Originally posted by Fire
and that's hate speak because PVS insulted the ruler of Iran?

Sure he could have said it in a nicer way, but even I think the right of free speech goes that far (as long as nobody reports it, mods have no way of knowing when someone is insulted. And that to me is the key to what is hate speak)

Originally posted by K.Diddy
The whole middle east should be blown up if you ask me, The middle east IS the problem of the world


nice more hate here Fire

still just voicing his opinion in a bad way, but again as long as noone reports it then there ain't a problem in my eyes.

Everyone is permitted opinions, Whirly. It's the way of the world. Theoretically, you're 'hate-speaking' against everyone who's ever had an opinion which goes against your personal view of what should be allowed.

Originally posted by Syren
Everyone is permitted opinions, Whirly. It's the way of the world. Theoretically, you're 'hate-speaking' against everyone who's ever had an opinion which goes against your personal view of what should be allowed.

I'm afraid thats not a definition of hate speak - this might help you understand

State rep. to speak on No Place for Hate
Thursday, January 12, 2006

ACTON - The Acton No Place for Hate Committee is excited to announce the fourth annual Martin Luther King Community Breakfast on Monday, Jan. 16.
All area residents are invited to attend. Guest speaker state Rep. Byron Rushing, D-Boston, will talk about the Civil Rights Movement: Past, Present and Future, with a particular emphasis on related issues that impact our community today. Rushing has been a leader on civil rights issues for over 30 years, including voting rights, human rights, and most recently marriage rights for same-sex couples, and currently serves as an assistant majority leader in the House of Representatives.

I know, that's why I said theoretically... because it's not really hate-speak but it could be considered that you're arguing against allowing personal opinion. Basically saying freedom of speech should be abolished?

I know where you're coming from and I absolutely loathe it when a member feels they have the right to criticise another because of colour, creed, sex even. Remember that girl who joined, called 'WhiteRacistGurl'? That sickened me, I don't think she should have been allowed to remain a member for long at all. Anyway, I'm all for rules and regulations, but I think the ones we have now should suffice. The only problem seems to be that no one's actually reading them

you still upset over people using the word "chav"???

The only haters I see are socks and the occasional bad apple that comes along... both get banned after a short while....

Exactly.

So, the real problem is that you are overly sensitive? I understand. That's cool I guess.

Who thinks the current rules are perfectly satisfactory?

Here.

There.

Everywhere

Underwear?

Originally posted by Bloigen
Underwear?

ThunderBear?

Don't you dare! nono

Originally posted by Syren
Don't you dare! nono


You've got an affair?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I'm afraid thats not a definition of hate speak - this might help you understand Actually, I prefer the Wikipedia definition:

So it doesn't count when applying the term to opinion?

Originally posted by Syren
So it doesn't count when applying the term to opinion? As long as its not inciteful or derogatory, I see no harm.

We could continue our little rhyimg and this gets moved to the OTF, deal?

Yeah, because the OTF desperately needs another pointless thread

Originally posted by Syren
Yeah, because the OTF desperately needs another pointless thread
It does

Especially a rhyming one.


On a side note, I wasn't aware the News & Question Forum needed one.

Your Definition is fine Raz however you can see this topic makes some members nervous for some reason.

Originally posted by Pointinel
GTFOH

i asked him to give his list some thought, f*ck it, i even said why

now stfu paleboy and listen to your mcs who likes to rap about wizard of the oz then jack off to your craftsmen poster

Who was that person speaking to? Personally, I think if someone says something insulting you should either report them or ignore them. That's what the Report option is for. It will be dealt with in due course and changing the rules won't have any impact on whether obnoxious people insult others.

I have to say Sir Whirlysplat that, more than once, you have given cause to hate speech yourself. Furthermore, I can count the amount of times you reported a thread on my 2 hands. Perhaps it would be more constructive if you actually acted upon what your mouth is full of.

Bravo Storm. I'd take heed of that, Whirlysplat.

Originally posted by Raz
I'm not sure I see the point of this thread...


But it's so clear...

KMC Rules...http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/forum/smileys/zaberdust.gif

Originally posted by Storm
I have to say Sir Whirlysplat that, more than once, you have given cause to hate speech yourself. Furthermore, I can count the amount of times you reported a thread on my 2 hands. Perhaps it would be more constructive if you actually acted upon what your mouth is full of.

I have never used hate speech I have asked questions like "Should I" I have never stated a personal opinion on much except I did not believe anyone sane could justify Hitlers actions or that I did not think being gay was like being part of an ethnic community. No hate speak here. Please show me the post

And Yes I don't report much... Because I do not think generally the mods are supportive, I will make exceptions I think Ush, Backfire and WindDancer are excellent. Some oithers let personal perceptions interfere to much.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Some oithers let personal perceptions interfere to much.

No they don't

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have never used hate speech I have asked questions like "Should I" I have never stated a personal opinion on much except I did not believe anyone sane could justify Hitlers actions or that I did not think being gay was like being part of an ethnic community. No hate speak here. Please show me the post

And Yes I don't report much... Because I do not think generally the mods are supportive, I will make exceptions I think Ush, Backfire and WindDancer are excellent. Some oithers let personal perceptions interfere to much.

If you don't report offensive threads/posts, then you really have no right to complain about it.

Originally posted by Lana
If you don't report offensive threads/posts, then you lose the right to complain about it.

I "lose the right", hmmm interesting choice of words

I edited because I realized my wording was off.

Anyway, if you don't report something you find offensive, how can something be done about it? I know you like to try and stop stuff on your own with your little 'forum peacekeeper' thing, but it's better to report things and let the mods handle it.

Originally posted by Lana
I edited because I realized my wording was off.

Anyway, if you don't report something you find offensive, how can something be done about it? I know you like to try and stop stuff on your own with your little 'forum peacekeeper' thing, but it's better to report things and let the mods handle it.

The "Peacekeeper" bit is an ironic/sarcastic joke Lana I don't think many things do get handled. I see 14 year old kids bullied for being incredibly stupid etc.

"I really have no right now" still hmmm

The report button just annoys the mods

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I don't think many things do get handled. I see 14 year old kids bullied for being incredibly stupid etc.

"I really have no right now" still hmmm

some people are hard to talk to... You present your point to them, and they respond with some lame comeback cause they can't string 2 points together to give a valid response to your post.. So they start flaming or ignore you...

and how many times have you strung people along with spam posts.. Just repeating yourself over and over again?? does the forum need some of your spam/hate posts??

I know you like to think your "bringing contraversal issues to ahead with tactile posts", but there are many who wouldn't see it your way...

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
The report button just annoys the mods

It actually does - I have heard of this a number of times happening.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
some people are hard to talk to... You present your point to them, and they respond with some lame comeback cause they can't string 2 points together to give a valid response to your post.. So they start flaming or ignore you...

and how many times have you strung people along with spam posts.. Just repeating yourself over and over again?? does the forum need some of your spam/hate posts??

I know you like to think your "bringing contraversal issues to ahead with tactile posts", but there are many who wouldn't see it your way...

please show these spam/hate posts I can show numerous ones where you make unfounded accusatios about my spamming, socking etc - please provide some proof. In context.

Any one of the many jgg post ya came up with...

I think thats about half your post count!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Any one of the many jgg post ya came up with...

I think thats about half your post count!

jgg was a point which eventually has proved its point in the comic forum and it was posted as a joke amongst all the regulars including GS. Who is a good friend of mine. A little different. It involves no racism or hate speak.

Lol Mods hate me now. Even if they go act on it, they just give 80 warnings and never return(if they answer that is)


Exceptions like you said Whirly, are Wd,BF,P


I am not speaking about the regular mods because they do not posses the banned Factor.



I will never report again. I fear the botton.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Lol Mods hate me now. Even if they go act on it, they just give 80 warnings and never return(if they answer that is)


Exceptions like you said Whirly, are Wd,BF,P


I am not speaking about the regular mods because they do not posses the banned Factor.





I will never report again. I fear the botton.

Interesting stuff Twister and kind of highlights my perception of what is going on.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Interesting stuff Twister and kind of highlights my perception of what is going on.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It actually does - I have heard of this a number of times happening.

Only when people abuse it, like when people go through reporting threads for zero reason whatsoever. If someone is breaking the rules, then report it.

What if they only get 90 warning and only warnings

Originally posted by Lana
Only when people abuse it, like when people go through reporting threads for zero reason whatsoever. If someone is breaking the rules, then report it.

I could report so much Racism on here it's unbelievable it's all I would be doing.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I could report so much Racism on here it's unbelievable it's all I would be doing.
Don't abuse the button

perhaps its inside jokes like the jgg thing???

As for the PG13 aspect of this forum does that exist? With titles like Sexual Positions and Wildest Sexual Fantasy- but it seems only some people get away with these threads, others are warned.

You can't stop the amount of flirting and ambigous referances around here... Thats impossible!!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
You can't stop the amount of flirting and ambigous referances around here... Thats impossible!!

I don't mean guys who hang around the welcome thread pming underage girls. I mean open threads which are not PG13.

There has been no such thread like that Whirly. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=383709&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post5778284

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
You can't stop the amount of flirting and ambigous referances around here... Thats impossible!!

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
There has been no such thread like that Whirly. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=383709&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post5778284

perhaps if you didn't have a singular thread of these things there would be loads of threads that pop up... Derailing a thread only takes 1-2 post.. the amount of threads that would turn into abiguous sex threads...

if I wanted to talk about it.. Lest I know where I can do it! and the kids know the threads they need to stay away from!...(cept they won't cause no one follows the rules right??)

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
perhaps if you didn't have a singular thread of these things there would be loads of threads that pop up... Derailing a thread only takes 1-2 post.. the amount of threads that would turn into abiguous sex threads...

if I wanted to talk about it.. Lest I know where I can do it! and the kids know the threads they need to stay away from!...(cept they won't cause no one follows the rules right??)

So to PG13 then point made

The internet is very unrestricted.. Unless you want RAZ to visit people in there homes and check up on them.. an age ban won't help.. You can't narrow these sort of things down..

Just like the comicalness of porn sites..
ARE YOU 18??
YES OR NO....

As if a horny 15 yr old is going to say no... Theres no way of enforcing the pg13.. and the mods would have a field day banning people/closing threads..

Plus half the people would comeback with sock acounts and lie about there age....

whatcha gonner do???
Time for the home visits from RAZ.... I'll expect him at 8am...

shock

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
The internet is very unrestricted.. Unless you want RAZ to visit people in there homes and check up on them.. an age ban won't help.. You can't narrow these sort of things down..

Just like the comicalness of porn sites..
ARE YOU 18??
YES OR NO....

As if a horny 15 yr old is going to say no... Theres no way of enforcing the pg13.. and the mods would have a field day banning people/closing threads..

Plus half the people would comeback with sock acounts and lie about there age....

whatcha gonner do???
Time for the home visits from RAZ.... I'll expect him at 8am...

Mods post in the non pg13 threads shock

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
The internet is very unrestricted.. Unless you want RAZ to visit people in there homes and check up on them.. an age ban won't help.. You can't narrow these sort of things down..

Just like the comicalness of porn sites..
ARE YOU 18??
YES OR NO....

As if a horny 15 yr old is going to say no... Theres no way of enforcing the pg13.. and the mods would have a field day banning people/closing threads..

Plus half the people would comeback with sock acounts and lie about there age....

whatcha gonner do???
Time for the home visits from RAZ.... I'll expect him at 8am...

How would they come back with Sock accounts if they had their IP banned?

So you're saying trying to enforce the rules is pointless?

Then why have them?

You know exactly how to do it.. Don't even bother trying that one on...

I'm saying major rules... YES enforce them.. If people step to far over the line.. Or are HABITUAL CROSSERS..(how many times now??)
But hate talk and sex threads... Pointless...

Rules are like CCTV... really its crappy and pointless.. But once in a while it actually helps, If people want to break in.. They will find a way...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss

I'm saying major rules... YES enforce them.. If people step to far over the line.. Or are HABITUAL CROSSERS..(how many times now??)
But hate talk and sex threads... Pointless...



I see so in your opinion enforcing on hate speak and sexual threads are pointless and not major breaks, I wonder if Raz agrees

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I see so enforcing on hate speak and sexual threads are pointless and not major breaks, I wonder if Raz agrees You don't understand anything

Sex threads and hate threads have exceptions

1. If the mod likes it, they will leave it open and post in it.
2. same thing but they might say keep it pg13
3. Depending on if they like the thread starter
4. One mod posts in it and loves it, while maybe another one hates it and wanted to close it(because it's not pg13) but doesn't want to go against another mod that kept it open.(conflict)
5. Simply a mod didn't see it until it hits 10,000 posts and is 8 years old.

and the exceptions will just go in god mode and destroy the thread with ease and thats the true mods that I listed already

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
You don't understand anything

Sex threads and hate threads have exceptions

1. If the mod likes it, they will leave it open and post in it.
2. same thing but they might say keep it pg13
3. Depending on if they like the thread starter
4. One mods posts in it and loves it while maybe another one hates it and wante dto close it9because it's not pg13) but doesn't want to go against another mod that kept it open.(conflict)
5. Simply a mod doesn't see it until it hits 10,000 posts and is 8 years old.

and the exceptions will just go in god mode and destroy the thread with ease and thats the true mods that I listed already









I see well...... that explains everything!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I see well...... that explains everything!


Rules are not important well not all rules. A mod might randomly choose what Pg13 is. Like I said, make a better def.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Rules are not important well not all rules. A mod might randomly choose what Pg13 is. Like I said, make a better def.

A lot of inconsistancy does go on!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I see so in your opinion enforcing on hate speak and sexual threads are pointless and not major breaks, I wonder if Raz agrees

No.. If I was upto me I just don't go in them.. If someone started a
"I'm a nazi, Who wants to help me kill blacks" thread I would ignore it... when I see the "how many people have you slept with?" threads.. I ignore it... cause even if you ban these people/close the thread down, Give it a month.... Another one comes along.. Theres no way to actually stop them...., You have to just keep banning the people who hate speak alot, (give them a chance.. They might learn the error of there ways or it might be an off day for them)
as for the sex threads you might as well just have 1 thread, and let them all go there.. rather then having the 20 or so threads that would open up...

Its not a case that I'm for it... But that there is no viable option to stop it...

good point so leave them all open and let mods post in them lol

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
No.. If I was upto me I just don't go in them.. If someone started a
"I'm a nazi, Who wants to help me kill blacks" thread I would ignore it... when I see the "how many people have you slept with?" threads.. I ignore it... cause even if you ban these people/close the thread down, Give it a month.... Another one comes along.. Theres no way to actually stop them.... you might as well just have 1 thread, and let them all go there.. rather then having the 20 or so threads that would open up...

Its not a case that I'm for it... But that there is no viable option to stop it...

So you think bothering to try is pointless?

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
good point so leave them all open and let mods post in them lol

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
good point so leave them all open and let mods post in them lol

other then nocking it...

What solution do you propose??

It really gets to me when people just whine without actually giving a solution... Why bother??? Your not helping!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So you think bothering to try is pointless?

Your deemed to fail from the start! Your only solution is to shift out the really bad ones... and leave the lesser ones alone...

..."Lesser of 2 evils"

Unless you have a practical solution???

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
other then nocking it...

What solution do you propose??

It really gets to me when people just whine without actually giving a solution... Why bother??? Your not helping!

And neither are you H and M you say the rules can't be enforced so why bother trying.

Practical Solution - True PG13 Forum - with rules enforced.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
other then nocking it...

What solution do you propose??

It really gets to me when people just whine without actually giving a solution... Why bother??? Your not helping! lol so you don't mind mods posting in non pg13 threads and having a ball then go close some other persons thread ?

i can not argue with that

I say leave them all open and create more. * runs to create some*

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
And neither are you H and M you say the rules can't be enforced so why bother trying.

I'm defending the current rules... I understand that the current ones work as well as any can...

Rather then just trying to get a quick joke...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I'm defending the current rules... I understand that the current ones work as well as any can...

Rather then just trying to get a quick joke... shock

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
And neither are you H and M you say the rules can't be enforced so why bother trying.

Practical Solution - True PG13 Forum - with rules enforced.

I surgest RAZ gives you mod powers to close them then... Spend all your time deciding if it should be closed!

You can have a field day shifting through the 1000's of threads... Then when people keep opening the same threads over and over again.. Saying "I searched but there wasn't one" you can weep..

So then you agree that you should be perminantly banned aswell?? I'm sure you wouldn't be hypocritical enough not to ban yourself for your past rule breaking....

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have never used hate speech I have asked questions like "Should I" I have never stated a personal opinion on much except I did not believe anyone sane could justify Hitlers actions or that I did not think being gay was like being part of an ethnic community. No hate speak here. Please show me the post

And Yes I don't report much... Because I do not think generally the mods are supportive, I will make exceptions I think Ush, Backfire and WindDancer are excellent. Some oithers let personal perceptions interfere to much.
Coming from someone who poses the question: "To troll or not to troll?"

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It actually does - I have heard of this a number of times happening.
Personally, I asked a member not to abuse the report button only twice. One reported the same thread 25 times in 16 minutes, the other one reported perfectly acceptable posts with as reason: hjfhgsdf.

I used to fill the report box.

I report when I see something and I can't tell it to Storm, but generally she or someone else has already noticed

If I spot something outside of my forum, I report it. That way you can be sure that it's taken care of.

Originally posted by Storm
Coming from someone who poses the question: "To troll or not to troll?"

I hardly think thats hate speech or against PG13 guidelines though is it. A different issue completely and slightly taken out of context. Not exactly topic, more a personal comment - for what purpose really? Agendas, agendas............

Whirly, the threads with sexual references are harmless, you know that. As far as I have seen any pornographic pictures have always been removed, anyone spouting perverted bullshit is always warned, the mods do their job as well as they can.

Originally posted by Syren
Whirly, the threads with sexual references are harmless, you know that. As far as I have seen any pornographic pictures have always been removed, anyone spouting perverted bullshit is always warned, the mods do their job as well as they can.

Todays hate speak

Originally posted by Uberking Robert
"talented group of smart individuals"? LOL!!! Good one!!!

But anyways I hear that crime in Toronto is a serious problem and that it's all caused by the fact that these monkeys fill up half the city. Send 'em back where they came from and there are no Carribean drug dealers in the street.

congrats.. You found a member who needs banning! Now push the report button and do your bit to help the mods!!!

I don't get how your rules would be different???

Then report it.

Mods aren't psychic.

It's been highlighted here proactive or reactive which is KMC? That is the question!

A nice guy going OTT in response to flame from Uber King Robert

Originally posted by Eis
Holy shit, I suggest you go throw yourself out of a window right now, you are an idiotic ignorant piece of scum.

Sir Whirly, how's that for hate speak?

Originally posted by Lana
Mods aren't psychic.

DAM IT! what does raz give you in the way of trainning when you get 'modded'

Still not seeing how Your rules against hate speak would help whirly! your just moaning about a few bad apples.. Theres always a few bad apples... Thats why its life!

Originally posted by Lana
Then report it.

Mods aren't psychic.

disgust

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
A nice guy going OTT in response to flame from Uber King Robert




It was in response to that post...if you are such a little girl that can't even take a little more heated debate I'd advice you to sign off now and never come back.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It was in response to that post...if you are such a little girl that can't even take a little more heated debate I'd advice you to sign off now and never come back.

you miss the point my friend

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
DAM IT! what does raz give you in the way of trainning when you get 'modded'

Still not seeing how Your rules against hate speak would help whirly! your just moaning about a few bad apples.. Theres always a few bad apples... Thats why its life!

Ahh but the inference is the mods don't act unless someone complains at present

at least Lanas post indicates this to be the case.

Originally posted by Lana
Then report it.

Mods aren't psychic.

proactive or reactive?

they can't be everywhere at once!!! don't be silly whirly.. What do you want them todo! vet everyone of our post before they hit the boards to check there ok???

theres not enough hours in the day!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
they can't be everywhere at once!!! don't be silly whirly.. What do you want them todo! vet everyone of our post before they hit the boards to check there ok???

theres not enough hours in the day!

certainly not but certain threads stand out a mile, I only checked out three threads today before finding this.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
you miss the point my friend
You missed to have a point.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You missed to have a point.

No Its one you do not wish to acknowledge in my opinion.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Ahh but the inference is the mods don't act unless someone complains at present

You have absolutely no idea how many situations I daily handle without anyone reporting anything. I take offence at your insinuations and I will not put up with them.

Originally posted by Storm
You have absolutely no idea how many situations I daily handle without anyone reporting anything. I take offence at your insinuations and I will not put up with them.

What have I insinuated Storm? Please explain, I have asked a question, Proactive or Reactive? Can you only act if a complaint is made? Please show me where I have insinuated anything about you.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No Its one you do not wish to acknowledge in my opinion.

I think it's one that's just not important enough.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it's one that's just not important enough.

and you are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
and you are entitled to your opinion.

Yes I am, thanks for telling me though,

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes I am, thanks for telling me though,

No probs

Originally posted by KidRock
Gotta love 'affirmative action'. Give the minorities rights to colleges before anyone else because they cant do it on their own. Sad really.

more hate - this guy gets away with it all the time and posts in clever ways so he usually cannot be quoted.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No probs



more hate - this guy gets away with it all the time and posts in clever ways so he usually cannot be quoted.

How is that, in any way hate speech?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How is that, in any way hate speech?

more hate another post by Robert reffering to blacks as Monkeys

Originally posted by Uberking Robert
Damned monkeys.

Serial "monkey business", I wish I could smile

I wish I could smile about those that turn the other way

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
more hate another post by Robert reffering to blacks as Monkeys



Serial "monkey business", I wish I could smile

I wish I could smile about those that turn the other way
But no, you can't you can just attention whore in this thread...did you report all those?

Originally posted by Storm
You have absolutely no idea how many situations I daily handle without anyone reporting anything. I take offence at your insinuations and I will not put up with them.

Originally posted by Syren
Agreed, although it's highly unlikely it'll happen. KMC has to appear as though it's protecting its younger members, whilst not actually enforcing even half decent rules in that area

hmmm

Originally posted by Bardock42
How is that, in any way hate speech?

Same as this is

Originally posted by KidRock
So why do blacks have more rights and privledges then whites? Affirmative action..

Originally posted by Bardock42
But no, you can't you can just attention whore in this thread...did you report all those?

answered already, I am not attention whoring in my opinion!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
certainly not but certain threads stand out a mile, I only checked out three threads today before finding this.

double post sorry

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Same as this is





answered already, I am not attention whoring in my opinion!

Nope.

And if it's your opinion or not, you still are attention whoring.

As stated earlier and strangely it's one of the Mods I mentioned as highly proffesional. Proactive action.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, I'll just make it clear.

Never, ever make a flaming, trolling, racist and offensive post like this again. That is absolutely forbidden.

That is your one and only warning.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As stated earlier and strangely it's one of the Mods I mentioned as highly proffesional. Proactive action.

You didn't report, did you?

Anyways, as you jsut showed there's no reason for your whinign, so why not just stop it before you look really determined to ge noticed?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You didn't report, did you?

Anyways, as you jsut showed there's no reason for your whinign, so why not just stop it before you look really determined to ge noticed?

I miss your point this time Bardock, please explain.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Cool, Moderators are the best.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I miss your point this time Bardock, please explain.





I am not aware in what context I said that. Still your thread does not have any point.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not aware in what context I said that. Still your thread does not have any point.

Well you're continued posting and accusations I am "whoring" might indicate that at heart you feel differently

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Well you're continued posting and accusations I am "whoring" might indicate that at heart you feel differently

Well it does have a point for you I am sure..jsut not the point you pretend it has.,

I'm not really seeing the point of this thread. Nothing constructive seems to be coming out of it.

I think what whirly is getting at is there are alot of people using there right of "freedom of speech" to produce hate filled comments...

Some of these people are sly racists.. So instead of just openly saying.. it they mask there racism in oppinion..
so we see coments like "lets bomb the middle east"

Am I right so far whirly?? Or can you re-explain your point...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I think what whirly is getting at is there are alot of people using there right of "freedom of speech" to produce hate filled comments...

Some of these people are sly racists.. So instead of just openly saying.. it they mask there racism in oppinion..
so we see coments like "lets bomb the middle east"

Am I right so far whirly?? Or can you re-explain your point...

Yes you are I am about to explain in more detail, You're starting to get me.... cool!