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I'll make this as brief as I can:

Meet Hans Oersted:


Hans O. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.

In 1999 the 'Oersted' satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth's magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere, it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth's field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film 'The Core'.

Meet Hannes Alfvén:


His contribution to science - mainly in the field of electromagnetism - revolutionized how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the "green flash" - a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic):


He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google "Hannes Alfvén".

Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso.


The above outlines the reason for - and a means to control - the island...

Scientists, fearing the cataclysmic events of a polar reversal, prepared an environment for the survival of the human race. They either directly or indirectly engineered the kind of people who would make up a community fit for survival and propagation of a new world. In the main, this means characters without father/mother figures; and/or characters with skills for survival: a doctor, an engineer, a survivalist, a mercenary; and characters of sufficiently varied genetic background: african, caucasian, asian, etc. to ensure a healthy gene pool for generations.

Then on an island which already had a massive natural source of electromagnetism, they constructed an artificial magnetosphere, alluded to in Walt's/Hurley's comic:


to repel the deadly cosmic rays that Earth's magnetosphere used to repel. The hope was that the community could thrive, grow and, eventually, repopulate/recover the world.

The Dharma Initiative under Alvar Hanso (if both of these thing exist in the Lost reality - much of the Orientation film is red herrings for the 'survivors') used a technology based on remote viewing and electromagnetism to power this magnetosphere and to influence the lives of the future island candidates. As stated in another of my posts: every strange (and a lot of mundane) occurrences in Lost can be attributed to electromagnetism as wielded by the collective consciousness on the island (see "Enlightenment Theory". When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an "everybody dead" verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.



The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.

The collective consciousness is that group of scientists that became so totally absorbed into remote viewing and electromagnetism that they now operate on frequencies of electromagnetism (covering everything from light to sound) only. They can read minds as well as manipulate iron and other conductive material. Claire wondered why there was not one comb or hairbrush on the entire plane; the reason: the slight electrostatic charges that hairbrushing creates is interference for the collective consciousness.



Much of the Orientation film and what Desmond says is false and purely to ensure that our heroes press those bloody buttons every 108 minutes. The purpose is threefold: to provide a focus for the community - a reason to go on and something 'meaningful' that goes beyond rational decision-making; secondly, to protect the hatch/power-supply/scientists behind the concrete; and, thirdly, to download the information from the Oersted satellite as it orbits the Earth every 108 minutes (please Google this) to get the latest on the magnetic poles.



The collective consciousness messed with this bird's navigation (based on magnetism - birds have magnetite in their beaks).


Sayid tells Jack that either the compass is wrong or North has moved. In fact, North has moved.


Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn't. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island's most faithful servant.


The presence of this ship is an indication that this island has always been known as a source of great magnetic power (the word "magnet" comes from "Magnesia" the land where the first black rock with powers of attraction was found). The location of this ship is an indication of the island's volcanic past - pushing the island higher - the ship is now inland. (Lava cools to form basalt; at the point basalt solidifies it takes on the same magnetic field as the surrounding location, thus providing information of the magnetic field's past.)

BF Skinner's dubious theories form the basis for the methods used by collective consciousness to socially engineer this 'utopia'. They are the voices in the trees, they are the visions, they are the black fog (metal in a magnetic field), the monster (mechanical, but designed to embody each survivor's personal fear). They use every psychological trick in his books to manipulate the survivors into forming a stable long-lasting community ON the island; and their means to this end are extensive.



The two images above are an explicit example of how the influence of the Dharma's collective consciousness has pervaded in the survivors' lives: notice the octagonal ceiling in both shots; and the metal balls in the second scene.


The opening shot of most episodes - the eye - establishes that this epsiode's main character will percieve what the collective consciousness wishes to show them. In this episode, Boone has an epiphanous vision courtesy of the collective consciousness and is later murdered with a falling plane!

Locke can walk now. Locke has no feeling in his legs. Locke's ability to walk is based on the collective consciousness' will. It makes him obedient. This level of obediency may be required of all the survivors eventually. His legs move because the collective consciousness allows those tiny electronic impulses from his brain via the spine to get through to muscles in his legs.

To summarize: our heroes never actually crashed; they are the future of mankind - the survivors of a cataclysmic polar event of which they are unaware; they are on the island to survive, procreate and repopulate the Earth. They are unaware of this plan which is sustained by a sophisticated collective consciousness and a group of scientists using electromagnetic power, and psychological techniques of reward and punishment.

There is more, but that's the gist.










That explains the eyes. I am nothing to do with this theory. It is off this thread on another forum:

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I just thought it was very good, but on the forum they have pointed out the mistakes, there are many other theorys on this site.

I only read the summary....butthat's because im lazy
nice theory...but didn't the writers say there was a possible explination for it all?

lol i bet they're lying. But there is many other theorys.

While it come bear some truth.. my 1 thought was...

If the collective consciousness guided Locke and boone to the plane... Why??? It surved no purpose other then to kill boone off... Seeing as they were chosen to come to the island It seems a bit silly to then kill off a member!

Any ideas?

I think it was to make the tail and and the middle connected to each other without actually knowing it. I don't know why though.

if boone didn't fall charlie wouldnt have drugs...
and why happened just THAT plane to crash out there...

Well we dont no that that is the only plane

Another theory, none related to the one above:

It was Halloween, 1991. Radar controllers checked and rechecked what they had just seen. The scope was blank in a spot now. Everywhere else all seemed normal. Routine traffic was proceeding undisturbed, in their vectors, tracked and uninterrupted. But just moments earlier they had been tracking a Grumman Cougar jet. The pilot was John Verdi. He and trained co-pilot, Paul Lukaris, were on a flight toward Tallahassee
Moments before Verdi’s voice had crackled over the receiver at the flight center: “Uh, this is November two four Whiskey Juliet (N24WJ). I am at, uh, two five three zero zero. Request ascent two niner zero. Over.”

Permission was quickly granted. The turbo jet was then seen ascending from 25,300 feet to its cruising altitude of 29,000. All seemed normal.
They were still ascending. Verdi had not yet rogered reaching his new altitude. Radar continued to track the Cougar until, for some unknown reason, it simply faded away. Verdi and Lukaris answered no more calls to respond. They had sent no MAYDAY to indicate a problem. Read-outs of the radar observations confirmed the unusual: The Cougar had not been captured at all descending or falling to the sea. Frankly, it had just vanished while climbing; it simply faded away. One sweep they were there . . . the next?



That is a story from the bemuda triangle. I thought it sounds a bit like the flight 815 incident. I think they could be in the bermuda triangle----



They said they had lost communications but they could of been flying around in circles for ages. A bit crap i know.

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.


4 8 15 16 23 42


Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.


This is something to do wif the numbers.
Wow.

Interesting!!! Something to concider.. But why do the number bring such bad/good luck??? I found the events that have occured around the numbers don't link very well to this theory thou.. And I can't see them passing all the events around the number,(hurls win lotto, and all the bad luck that followed, Peep on radio who first heard the numbers) as coincidence...

well im gonna look further int the rossau theory.

It is very interesting... hmmm..

social contract, agreement or covenant by which men are said to have abandoned the “state of nature” to form the society in which they now live. The theory of such a contract, first formulated by the English philosophers Thomas Hobbes (in the Leviathan, 1651) and John Locke, assumes that men at first lived in a state of anarchy in which there was no society, no government, and no organized coercion of the individual by the group. Hobbes maintained that by the social contract men had surrendered their natural liberties in order to enjoy the order and safety of the organized state. Locke made the social contract the basis of his advocacy of popular sovereignty, the idea that the monarch or government must reflect the will of the people. Like Locke, the French philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau, in Le Contrat social (1762), found the general will a means of establishing reciprocal rights and duties, privileges, and responsibilities as a basis of the state. Similar ideas were used as a justification for both the American and the French revolutions in the 18th cent. Thomas Jefferson held that the preservation of certain natural rights was an essential part of the social contract, and that “consent of the governed” was fundamental to any exercise of governmental power. Although historically important, the theory as a basis of society and the state has generally been discarded by modern social and political scientists.



I dont know if that is the same rosseau- but if hes related )not bioligicly) to the famous philosipher John Locke--

mr rutherford died at 8:15pm.

i am gonna look a complete pleb now but further research into the rossau theory: 'genetic mirrors and other natrually occuring phenonamon' was all a hoax. But, still.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16657

theres even a thread bout him

Also in the dharma initiative film, they mentioned a man named b.f skinner, a famous scientist. He studied the effects of aversive stimuli.

He was a proud admirer of Thomas Hobbes, a philosipher that believed that everyone was born evil. He was a strong competetor of John Locke who believed everyone was born good.

that could fit in 1 post

yer but i found it out at different times

I also found out that John Locke influenced Hans Oersted, the one who discovered magnetism. This cant all be a coincidence. Its to complex to be one.

Interesting theory. I dont know but it just seems too complicated to force on the audience of a television show.

Hmmm.. Intriguing...

Walden II

Skinner started his career as an English major, writing poems and short stories. He has, of course, written a large number of papers and books on behaviorism. But he will probably be most remembered by the general run of readers for his book Walden II, wherein he describes a utopia-like commune run on his operant principles.

People, especially the religious right, came down hard on his book. They said that his ideas take away our freedom and dignity as human beings. He responded to the sea of criticism with another book (one of his best) called Beyond Freedom and Dignity. He asked: What do we mean when we say we want to be free? Usually we mean we don’t want to be in a society that punishes us for doing what we want to do. Okay -- aversive stimuli don’t work well anyway, so out with them! Instead, we’ll only use reinforcers to “control” society. And if we pick the right reinforcers, we will feel free, because we will be doing what we feel we want!

Likewise for dignity. When we say “she died with dignity,” what do we mean? We mean she kept up her “good” behaviors without any apparent ulterior motives. In fact, she kept her dignity because her reinforcement history has led her to see behaving in that "dignified" manner as more reinforcing than making a scene.

The bad do bad because the bad is rewarded. The good do good because the good is rewarded. There is no true freedom or dignity. Right now, our reinforcers for good and bad behavior are chaotic and out of our control -- it’s a matter of having good or bad luck with your “choice” of parents, teachers, peers, and other influences. Let’s instead take control, as a society, and design our culture in such a way that good gets rewarded and bad gets extinguished! With the right behavioral technology, we can design culture.

Both freedom and dignity are examples of what Skinner calls mentalistic constructs -- unobservable and so useless for a scientific psychology. Other examples include defense mechanisms, the unconscious, archetypes, fictional finalisms, coping strategies, self-actualization, consciousness, even things like hunger and thirst. The most important example is what he refers to as the homunculus -- Latin for “the little man” -- that supposedly resides inside us and is used to explain our behavior, ideas like soul, mind, ego, will, self, and, of course, personality.

Instead, Skinner recommends that psychologists concentrate on observables, that is, the environment and our behavior in it.




Thats B.F Skinners book, and it sounds incredibly like the island.

Strange.

B. F. Skinner’s entire system is based on operant conditioning. The organism is in the process of “operating” on the environment, which in ordinary terms means it is bouncing around it world, doing what it does. During this “operating,” the organism encounters a special kind of stimulus, called a reinforcing stimulus, or simply a reinforcer. This special stimulus has the effect of increasing the operant -- that is, the behavior occurring just before the reinforcer. This is operant conditioning: “the behavior is followed by a consequence, and the nature of the consequence modifies the organisms tendency to repeat the behavior in the future.”

Imagine a rat in a cage. This is a special cage (called, in fact, a “Skinner box”) that has a bar or pedal on one wall that, when pressed, causes a little mechanism to release a foot pellet into the cage. The rat is bouncing around the cage, doing whatever it is rats do, when he accidentally presses the bar and -- hey, presto! -- a food pellet falls into the cage! The operant is the behavior just prior to the reinforcer, which is the food pellet, of course. In no time at all, the rat is furiously peddling away at the bar, hoarding his pile of pellets in the corner of the cage.

A behavior followed by a reinforcing stimulus results in an increased probability of that behavior occurring in the future.

What if you don’t give the rat any more pellets? Apparently, he’s no fool, and after a few futile attempts, he stops his bar-pressing behavior. This is called extinction of the operant behavior.

A behavior no longer followed by the reinforcing stimulus results in a decreased probability of that behavior occurring in the future.

Now, if you were to turn the pellet machine back on, so that pressing the bar again provides the rat with pellets, the behavior of bar-pushing will “pop” right back into existence, much more quickly than it took for the rat to learn the behavior the first time. This is because the return of the reinforcer takes place in the context of a reinforcement history that goes all the way back to the very first time the rat was reinforced for pushing on the bar!

Schedules of reinforcement

Skinner likes to tell about how he “accidentally -- i.e. operantly -- came across his various discoveries. For example, he talks about running low on food pellets in the middle of a study. Now, these were the days before “Purina rat chow” and the like, so Skinner had to make his own rat pellets, a slow and tedious task. So he decided to reduce the number of reinforcements he gave his rats for whatever behavior he was trying to condition, and, lo and behold, the rats kept up their operant behaviors, and at a stable rate, no less. This is how Skinner discovered schedules of reinforcement!

Continuous reinforcement is the original scenario: Every time that the rat does the behavior (such as pedal-pushing), he gets a rat goodie.

The fixed ratio schedule was the first one Skinner discovered: If the rat presses the pedal three times, say, he gets a goodie. Or five times. Or twenty times. Or “x” times. There is a fixed ratio between behaviors and reinforcers: 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 20 to 1, etc. This is a little like “piece rate” in the clothing manufacturing industry: You get paid so much for so many shirts.

The fixed interval schedule uses a timing device of some sort. If the rat presses the bar at least once during a particular stretch of time (say 20 seconds), then he gets a goodie. If he fails to do so, he doesn’t get a goodie. But even if he hits that bar a hundred times during that 20 seconds, he still only gets one goodie! One strange thing that happens is that the rats tend to “pace” themselves: They slow down the rate of their behavior right after the reinforcer, and speed up when the time for it gets close.

Skinner also looked at variable schedules. Variable ratio means you change the “x” each time -- first it takes 3 presses to get a goodie, then 10, then 1, then 7 and so on. Variable interval means you keep changing the time period -- first 20 seconds, then 5, then 35, then 10 and so on.

In both cases, it keeps the rats on their rat toes. With the variable interval schedule, they no longer “pace” themselves, because they no can no longer establish a “rhythm” between behavior and reward. Most importantly, these schedules are very resistant to extinction. It makes sense, if you think about it. If you haven’t gotten a reinforcer for a while, well, it could just be that you are at a particularly “bad” ratio or interval! Just one more bar press, maybe this’ll be the one!

This, according to Skinner, is the mechanism of gambling. You may not win very often, but you never know whether and when you’ll win again. It could be the very next time, and if you don’t roll them dice, or play that hand, or bet on that number this once, you’ll miss on the score of the century!



Thats skinners theory

Interesting... Kinda crazy.. But interesting..

i think im working to hard

Nah, I do the same sorta thing when I get interested in something... You just can't stop! It's cool anyway!

hmmmmmmmmm

I think that theory is on the right track, but it has some flaws.

yer. im just trying to figure out some stuff about john locke having relations to the philosipher

I would read that but my brain hurts just looking at it atm.

lol

It's good

intresting and hey all just finished watchin season 1 im in the uk i like the russo blokes theory imissed a few episodes of season 1 anyone wanna tell me whats down that hella big shaft

theres already a thread about the hatch isnt there?

Dude...

yes?

Originally posted by rickyduck
I'll make this as brief as I can:

Meet Hans Oersted:


Hans O. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.

In 1999 the 'Oersted' satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth's magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere, it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth's field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film 'The Core'.

Meet Hannes Alfvén:


His contribution to science - mainly in the field of electromagnetism - revolutionized how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the "green flash" - a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic):


He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google "Hannes Alfvén".

Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso.


The above outlines the reason for - and a means to control - the island...

Scientists, fearing the cataclysmic events of a polar reversal, prepared an environment for the survival of the human race. They either directly or indirectly engineered the kind of people who would make up a community fit for survival and propagation of a new world. In the main, this means characters without father/mother figures; and/or characters with skills for survival: a doctor, an engineer, a survivalist, a mercenary; and characters of sufficiently varied genetic background: african, caucasian, asian, etc. to ensure a healthy gene pool for generations.

Then on an island which already had a massive natural source of electromagnetism, they constructed an artificial magnetosphere, alluded to in Walt's/Hurley's comic:


to repel the deadly cosmic rays that Earth's magnetosphere used to repel. The hope was that the community could thrive, grow and, eventually, repopulate/recover the world.

The Dharma Initiative under Alvar Hanso (if both of these thing exist in the Lost reality - much of the Orientation film is red herrings for the 'survivors') used a technology based on remote viewing and electromagnetism to power this magnetosphere and to influence the lives of the future island candidates. As stated in another of my posts: every strange (and a lot of mundane) occurrences in Lost can be attributed to electromagnetism as wielded by the collective consciousness on the island (see "Enlightenment Theory". When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an "everybody dead" verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.



The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.

The collective consciousness is that group of scientists that became so totally absorbed into remote viewing and electromagnetism that they now operate on frequencies of electromagnetism (covering everything from light to sound) only. They can read minds as well as manipulate iron and other conductive material. Claire wondered why there was not one comb or hairbrush on the entire plane; the reason: the slight electrostatic charges that hairbrushing creates is interference for the collective consciousness.



Much of the Orientation film and what Desmond says is false and purely to ensure that our heroes press those bloody buttons every 108 minutes. The purpose is threefold: to provide a focus for the community - a reason to go on and something 'meaningful' that goes beyond rational decision-making; secondly, to protect the hatch/power-supply/scientists behind the concrete; and, thirdly, to download the information from the Oersted satellite as it orbits the Earth every 108 minutes (please Google this) to get the latest on the magnetic poles.



The collective consciousness messed with this bird's navigation (based on magnetism - birds have magnetite in their beaks).


Sayid tells Jack that either the compass is wrong or North has moved. In fact, North has moved.


Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn't. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island's most faithful servant.


The presence of this ship is an indication that this island has always been known as a source of great magnetic power (the word "magnet" comes from "Magnesia" the land where the first black rock with powers of attraction was found). The location of this ship is an indication of the island's volcanic past - pushing the island higher - the ship is now inland. (Lava cools to form basalt; at the point basalt solidifies it takes on the same magnetic field as the surrounding location, thus providing information of the magnetic field's past.)

BF Skinner's dubious theories form the basis for the methods used by collective consciousness to socially engineer this 'utopia'. They are the voices in the trees, they are the visions, they are the black fog (metal in a magnetic field), the monster (mechanical, but designed to embody each survivor's personal fear). They use every psychological trick in his books to manipulate the survivors into forming a stable long-lasting community ON the island; and their means to this end are extensive.



The two images above are an explicit example of how the influence of the Dharma's collective consciousness has pervaded in the survivors' lives: notice the octagonal ceiling in both shots; and the metal balls in the second scene.


The opening shot of most episodes - the eye - establishes that this epsiode's main character will percieve what the collective consciousness wishes to show them. In this episode, Boone has an epiphanous vision courtesy of the collective consciousness and is later murdered with a falling plane!

Locke can walk now. Locke has no feeling in his legs. Locke's ability to walk is based on the collective consciousness' will. It makes him obedient. This level of obediency may be required of all the survivors eventually. His legs move because the collective consciousness allows those tiny electronic impulses from his brain via the spine to get through to muscles in his legs.

To summarize: our heroes never actually crashed; they are the future of mankind - the survivors of a cataclysmic polar event of which they are unaware; they are on the island to survive, procreate and repopulate the Earth. They are unaware of this plan which is sustained by a sophisticated collective consciousness and a group of scientists using electromagnetic power, and psychological techniques of reward and punishment.

There is more, but that's the gist.










That explains the eyes. I am nothing to do with this theory. It is off this thread on another forum:

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I just thought it was very good, but on the forum they have pointed out the mistakes, there are many other theorys on this site.

That sure was brief. interest, somemore food for thought!

click on the link its got pictures

Two flaws; A) where does it say Locke has no feeling in his legs? That was just in the episode when the island was trying to take away his ability to walk, which hasn't been totally explained. And it was Locke--not Boone--that received the vision. Secondly, the black fog is the monster. The Oerstead thing ain't no coincidence, though, that's for sure.

As the dharma initiative followed in B.F Skinners footsteps they could of bought a private island or something and modified it to create an island just like the one mentioned in the book WALDEN II. But as it said, religious people came down hard on this book. These could be 'The Others.' They are old scientists who worked in the hatch. Then they stole the children away from the workers to bring them up free. But the island tries to fight against this, trying to send the children back to there family so they can work in the hatch aswell. This is why the writing from walt happened at exactly the same time as when micheal was looking at it.


Also the island wants to protect the people who had done good things, or who were important to the island. Lockes leg managed to hurt at exactly the same time as they got to the plane, so he didnt have to go up, as it would of killed him. It also happened because Charlie had killed one of the others, ethan rom, who was trying to capture claire to help the babies. If he had gone into the plane (because of the heroine,) he might of been in danger aswell. Arst died saving Jack, as he had helped the survivors staying alive, which would help the island as it needed as many people as possible in the hatch. But i dont know why shannon died.

Cause she was a loser character and Sayid needed to get over himself.

they all were losers, There lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the crappest joke ever.

Get Lost, Rickyduck.

Originally posted by Lord Magnus
Get Lost, Rickyduck.

HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

new version:

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7712&start=75

should say:

Apologies to those who have seen only the first season, as this theory also relates to the second, which is currently up to episode 12 (13 tonight). This theory has been revised (and expanded to include an FAQ section at the end) purely because it's been requested, the original post is over-long, and (as a consequence) a lot of questions/counterpoints have been repeated. In addition, this theory is based on the premise that there is nothing supernatural about the mysteries of Lost; nothng overly sci-fi; and it's not all a dream/coma.

I'll try to keep this brief:




...many of our heroes were born on the island; they were hot-housed, intended to carry on the work of the Dharma Initiative.

The purpose of the Dharma Initiative was world peace; its means were a number of defensive weapons to protect the island - their base - including the mechanical monster, sharks, the black fog and probably more stuff to come, and, most importantly, a weapon I'm lamely calling the Collective Consciousness (CC hereafter).



The CC is a group of scientists with their noggins hooked up to wires... in the hatch... behind the concrete... With the technology hinted at in the Orientation film (and Hurley's comic), these scientists are able to remotely - via electromagnetism - control objects, such as cars, galleons, planes, lottery balls, and also induce vision in minds of a weakened state, such as those that are drunk, drugged, exhausted, or sick.



In effect, with the help of the Hanso satellite, the CC can reach across the globe and witness or influence events. In the wrong hands, it could be the ultimate weapon: there would be no nuclear compund too secure. In the right hands, it could change events for the good. Hanso decided to take the peaceful path. His notion was to take the world to the brink of a cataclysm, that would both unite previously warring states and, at the same time, reduce them to basic technologies, rendering weapons of mass or mediocre destruction impotent.

Let's look at Alvar Hanso - the founder of the Dharma Initiative - to bring in some 'evidence' so this theory has some basis other than me making it up...

Meet Hans Ørsted:


Hans Ø. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.

In 1999 the Ørsted satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth's magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere , it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth's field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film 'The Core'.

Meet Hannes Alfvén:


His contribution to science - mainly in the field of electromagnetism - revolutionised how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the "green flash" - a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic or, in this case, translated literally from the Spanish: "Lantern Green Flash":



He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google "Hannes Alfvén".

Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso:



...so we have the founder of the Dharma Initiative and the means by which he would inflict peace on the world: polar reversal.

In the same vein as Watchmen by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, the big bad guy (Hanso was an arms dealer/manufacturer) actually had good intentions. The CC disrupted the Earth's magnetic fields to such an extent it was like a massive global EMP bomb had gone off: all electrical equipment was burnt out, all computer data was lost, planes fell out of the sky, and the world was set back decades technologically AND united against a common, non-human, non-political, non-religious foe: nature (or what they thought was nature).

This was the moment the Lost plane was brought down from the sky.

From what we've been shown so far, it looks as though the plane lost its navigation, subsequently went miles off-course, plummeted, was ripped apart, and landed in bits on the island, the survivors woke up, checked they could walk (even if they couldn't before) and carried on. Before the theory tries to explain what it thinks happened, consider this: it is very unlikely that anybody would survive a crash of this kind - especially from that altitude, in that plane, where it hit. That so many survived and that so many survived from different pieces in different locations is impossible... if it were a regular plane crash... this impossibility is referenced several times by the survivors themselves. Also consider: after the crash, John Locke could walk; after the crash, Claire discovers that there are no hairbrushes/combs at all on the plane: at least these two events point to the likelihood that there was some kind of interferrence with the plane after it had 'crashed'... But add in the impossibility of anybody surviving at all and one must conclude that there was a guiding hand in the 'crash' and the survival of the passengers, further suggested by the fact that Goodwin and the bearded chap seemed to know these people - or at least their names - even before meeting them!

Consider: Kate's horse and Eko's plane are both on the island. The location of the island may or may not be Fiji, but we know the last place the horse was seen was in the USA... and the last place we saw the plane was Nigeria (and it couldn't have gotten very far). SOMETHING has brought them to the island - FedEx? Also: we have a big old boat called the Black Rock (which was the name given to Magnetite - the first magnetic material discovered) miles inland.

This theory says: the CC brought the plane down . It simulated a plane about to crash, ensured everybody had passed out, brought the surviving unconscious passengers and plane parts down gently, kept them asleep for a period (maybe hours, maybe years), scattered debris, injured some, and then woke them in different places - in a tree, next to an engine, in the sea etc..



As they slept, the Others - those scientists and their offspring that still adhered to the Dharma plan - removed combs and hairbrushes from the plane/passengers. The tiny electrostatic intereference that brushing hair causes would make it difficult for the CC to tamper with their minds.

In the very first shot of Lost we see the CC/black fog:













As Jack awoke, the black fog that had placed him there ascended into the canopy. He blinked and it was gone. Not a pupil dilated, but a reflection!






..........But this was not the first time on the island for many of them. They had been born to continue the Dharma work - to protect the island and the CC; for while the CC is powerful it is still reliant on human beings.

They had been born on the island as part of Dharma. A long time ago, one scientist had taken exception to the treatment of children as part of such a project and sabotaged it. He/she deliberately prevented entry of the code numbers into the hatch computer, and so the Hanso satellite - as its programmed function as a security failsafe - zapped the area of the hatch. Four people were killed in this 'incident' (as it was referred to in the Orientation film), including Hanso himself; two scientists lost arms - Dr. Marvin Candle and Ray Mullen (the farmer who handed Kate over to the police (and possibly her real father)). The dead were laid to rest on the island and were found as 'Adam and Eve' by our heroes.



Back to the 'incident': using the inferno as a distraction, the rebel scientist freed several of the children. Among them was a boy who he/she later named 'Ethan Rom' as this child was 'MORE THAN' just a test subject! These freed children make up the Renegade Others who have lived on the island since 1967/8; by now they are onto the second generation . The Dharma Initiative, severely weakened by the loss of Alvar Hanso, his funding, and other key scientists could not scour the island for the children, but concentrated on achieving the original Dharma vision of world peace, before their US Army patrons could swoop in and ruin everything.






Following the 'incident', Hanso's US Army patrons decided it should be dissolved. The Dharma scientists resisted - and do to this day - using the very weapons the US Army had funded, they fortified the island. The greatest weapon in the arsenal being the CC.

They managed to get the remainder of the children secretly and intermittently sent out into the world and given to foster parents as part of the Dharma project. They were all placed with trusted Dharma devotees as parents, and were conditioned over the course of their lives for their particular future purposes on the island.

After years of conditioning and guidance remotely by the CC (according to the principles of BF Skinner) in the outside world, our heroes were - one way or another - delivered onto the same flight out of Sydney.

As time passes on the island, it will become clearer what part each survivor should play, if any. To keep the project alive, the CC must endure. Therefore, they need replacements: as part of the CC itself, to push the buttons, to maintain the island's defences, and to keep the secrets secret. As well as embodying the Dharma vision of a new world order of peace and co-operation (by coercion), our heroes are on the island to continue the work. Specifically: Hurley's whole aim in life has always been to input the numbers; not only is he already obsessed with them, he has also been conditioned to survive in that indoor, claustrophobic environment, with nothing but TV meals and music to sustain him. Hurley seems to be unlucky when it comes to electrical equipment - fuses burn out etc - this was a deliberate strategy of the CC to discourage Hurley from meddling with electrical equipment - an essential attitude for long hours down in the hatch bored out of his mind. And now he seems to have found a hatch buddy in Libby... more reasons to stay in.




Hurley had two electromagnets clamped to his head for most of season 1: his headphones are a metaphor for how much he is controlled by the CC.

Also, specifically: Walt has been conditioned to eventually become part of the CC - to replace one of the withered old scientists with electrodes attached to his head behind the concrete; this is why, throughout his life, the CC has made sure he was surrounded by electromagnetic phenomena - e.g. the bird that hit the window. He has a pseudo-affinity with magnetism, by which I mean: the CC has, to an extent, acted on Walt's will and wishes so that he gets used to that sort of power... he's being trained, but he doesn't know it.




Walt is becoming increasingly familiar with 'visualizing' and guiding metal objects - even though it is actually the CC doing this on his behalf.




The intention is to train Walt to use his mind to guide objects as the CC does. At the moment, the CC is doing all the work, but one day, Walt will have the power. At the moment, he seems to have some kind of access to the CC technology as he is able to project his image across the island; that his voice is reversed may be because the CC is censoring him or because he is not yet familiar with the technology and is making a fundamental mistake.

No-one knows what will happen in the end. One guess is that our survivors will discover the island's purpose - and their purpose on it - and will decide to stay because they like it, have nothing good to return to now and want to continue the Dharma project of world peace in defending the CC.

Now: on the island, the CC continues to manipulate our heroes. Locke is the most obvious case: he is beholden to the CC because it gave him the ability to walk. The evidence for this is: Locke cannot FEEL his legs but he can walk.






...notice the electro-convulsive equipment next to Locke's lame legs - to stimulate muscle even though he cannot walk. Also: their is a scene in which Locke is dragged along the ground by the black fog; this is made easier for an electromagnetic foe as Locke has metal pins in his legs!

Others are manipulated (according to BF Skinner's ideas) by playing on their weaknesses, addictions, or beliefs - the voices in the trees. It is even able to induce visions in those that are physically or mentally vulnerable. This it has been doing to a degree all their lives.




...notice the resemblance to the Dharma logo.

Even their guardians were privy to their fate.

Kate's foster father, as an example, was on the island as a US Army liaison officer, (after Korea) to ensure they were getting their money's worth from Hanso's weapons research; he was converted by the Dharma ideal and took a daughter away with him; and, as part of his new peace-loving outlook, he decided he did not have 'murder in his heart' and took a desk-job in an Army recruitment office. Many of the survivors have father issues beyond what would normally be expected of a random cross-section of people on a plane. This is attributable to how their guardians treated/conditioned/trained them for their future purposes. In Jack's case, his foster father tried to be stern with him as a child, in an attempt to keep him at a distance emotionally; however, the cold surgeon grew to love his particular child subject and the dilemma of having to eventually give him away to such a bleak purpose tore him apart slowly; he turned to drink; (in the Australian bar, he recognized Jack as possibly being a 'great man' thus acknowledging a purpose beyond surgery); in the end, he was summoned to Australia and was killed so as to lure Jack there. Jack's father wanted to pick up the phone and tell him that he loved him, but he could not because he was 'weak'; in fact, Jack's father understood there would be consequences from the Dharma Initiative if he did this; indeed, this wavering precipitated his death - he was becoming a liability.

This cycle is repeated throughout Lost. A foster parent comes to love their charge and ultimately betrays the Dharma Initiative, resulting in tragedy. Alternatively, the foster parent remains on the Dharma path and so remains emotionally distant from their charges - as in Locke's case. The purposes for which the children were always intended are lonely, demanding, and requiring resourcefulness; their lives were designed to engineer just the right kind of people for life on the fortress island.

The exact purposes of the remaining survivors are unknown: perhaps more than Walt will be required for the new CC, and Hurley needs a partner for inputting numbers. Certainly, there needs to be a Dharma-style community in place to support the island and particularly if the truth of what happened to them is uncovered. They need to feel that they are part of something great rather than mere subjects manipulated and controlled all their lives.

There are some grand themes in Lost as presented in this theory, such as: free-will versus pre-destination. The CC acts like God, controlling every aspect of their lives to prepare them for a higher purpose... But do the ends justify the means? And do we have free-will if we are purely the sum of every experience in our lives? etc. etc..

There is more, but that's the gist. I have to go to bed; it's been a long day.



FAQ
Q. How can Claire remain pregnant (and other things keep) throughout suspended animation?
A. In theory, all bodily functions are suspended - including the growth of a fetus. Other objects, if stored correctly - out of sunlight, in dry cool conditions - will not age. Perishable goods can be frozen or replaced.

Q. What is the significance of the individual numbers of the satellite code number: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42?
A. There is no intrinsic significance of the numbers beyond the show. They are not an obscure occult reference or have any scientific/mathematical relevance whatsoever. They are the passcode that stops the satellite from zapping the hatch - the security system to protect the island and its secrets. Within the realms of me making things up about Lost: the fact that the numbers get larger suggests arithmetic progression; the numbers are minutes adding up to 108 minutes (the time it takes the satellite to orbit the earth); the satellite is asked to perform a task at 4 minutes, then 8 minutes later, then 15 minutes later and so on, but what that is probably doesn't matter.

Q. The poles have reversed many times in the past and has not caused a cataclysm. What's the big deal?
A. Scientific opinion varies on this. The important thing, as far as Lost is concerned, is that the world BELIEVES a catastrophic polar reversal-type cataclysm has occurred and that the Dharma Initiative has re-inforced this belief with sufficiently convincing illusion. It's not the end of the world - just the end of the old world order.

Q. This theory is too complex for a TV audience, isn't it?
A. Yes, this written is too complex, but in the form a TV show with good editing and better - more concise - writing, it could all be explained in one episode - maybe two; let's call them Revelation parts 1 and 2.

Q. What about Ana-Lucia - and Kate - experiencing the actual crash: this contradicts the suspended animation theory.
A. Ana-Lucia wakes up in the water - we do not see her ACTUALLY hit the water; in the same way, Jack was placed in the jungle, having had a metal shard inserted in his side, and then woken up, Ana was simply put in the water and woken up. As for Kate, providing she was telling the truth about experiencing the actual crash (she has lied quite a few times before), she was either mistaken or misled by the CC.

Q. But we see the tail-end of the plane hit the water! It did crash!
A. We do see the tail-end hit the water; but we do not see any passengers hit the water. Perhaps, this would be too graphic for a TV audience... but perhaps the CC threw this debris to the earth as part of the staging of the crash. We see an empty seat hit the beach and fly at the camera. Also, we see the tail bits coming down...then a black screen with the words "Day 1"........THEN we see Ana in the water.

Q. How do you explain Walt's appearances?
A. Walt is with the Scientist Others, near or in the CC area; he is either being allowed to use - or is somehow hacking into - their technology. In the same way that Jack's father was projected, Walt is being projected; however they are reversing the audio so he can't really give anything away. He is being trained, hence "special boy".

Q. The idea of a CC, as described here, is too easy. Electromagnetism covers virtually everything in the universe - it's a licence to make up anything.
A. Almost, but not quite: the CC has its limitations......for instance, it may only be able to work on a global scale VIA THE SATELLITE - so it is not omnipresent, but dependent on orbits for coverage. Unfortunately, one of the few tangible things in Lost that could be considered 'evidence' (as opposed to a potential trick) is the big electromagnet in the hatch. A lot of this theory is extrapolation from that point. It might also be noted that a lot of seemingly impossible things have happened in the show that a group of largely intelligent survivors have been unable to rationally explain. If the answer wasn't slightly fantastical, I wouldn't believe it.

Q. What is the black smoke - and is it different to the black fog?
A. The column of black smoke that has been occasionally visible from the beach was man-made; the Renegade Others burn certain material to cast metal particles and general guff into the air so as to provide cover against the CC - like chaff from a jet. The black fog, on the other hand, is fine metal dust in the electromagnetic control of the CC.

Q. Do you work for ABC or another company 'running interference'?
A. No. I am actually this sad.

I will add more FAQs after wading through the original post...

Caveat: I don't necessarily agree with any of this theory: please do not take it too seriously: please do not send me threatening emails.... or, at least be original.





















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