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Well...I've heard Wolverinefans say that numerous times.

But the fact is...that he doesn't. He heals from them. What is the brick that Wolverine fights most often? Hulk. Is he known for fast movements and hitting over and over again? Nope. In 9 times out of 10, Hulk gives Wolverine time to heal. It doesn't have to be much, only few seconds. But by that time, most of his wounds have healed. Now, if Hulk would continue pounding, the force of his punches would overload Wolverine's healing factor, stopping all movement (he could not stab him back when his arms are moving wildly) and finally killing him.

Some pictures I have gathered from the internet and comics prove this...

No. 1

Wolverine VS Wonder Man

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif

I believe that Hit and Run posted this picture.

This should prove it right away. If Wolverine is not given time to heal, he'll get owned. Wonder Man is not giving him a chance to breath by doing stupid things as talking peacefully to Wolverine ("Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" or saying that "Now Wonder Man will smash you!" He just keeps pounding and pounding. Wolverine doesn't have time, or speed to react to his attacks, and he is done.

No. 2

Wolverine VS Hulk I

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2337/wolverinehits24vh.gif

Hulk hits Wolverine with enough force to knock him out. Pretty straighfoward. He also doesn't walk away like he usually does, but goes at him and is about to finish him.


No. 3

Wolverine VS Grey Hulk

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/992/wolverinehits30be.gif

In that pic, Wolverine is hit on the ground. Now, it is already established that one hit wont do much damage to Wolverine unless hit very hard. But what if Grey Hulk had jumped on Wolverine and started to jump on him? Or kicked him in the head? Punched him again until he was knocked out? The A and O in fighting Wolverine is that you don't give him a chance to heal.

No. 4

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3791/wolverinehits41ou.gif

He's hit with enough force by Guardian to be knocked out. I think King Mungi posted this somewhere.

No.5

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7051/wolverinehits78hs.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4242/wolverinehits88qa.gif

I have gathered more pictures, but I think this is enough...

It's useless to say that Wolverine can take hits from Class 100. Because in forum fights, he is not given time to heal (Unless CIS is on) and if he is not given time to heal, he is screwed in no time.

Wolverine fights Hulk and refers how he cant defeat Hulk when he is not given enough time to heal.

The wolverine hatred is overwhelming lol. half those scans he is still awake after he gets hit MANY TIMES more than one, not just with one hit. Also that the many hits from the class 100 people did not KILL HIM.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The wolverine hatred is overwhelming lol. half those scans he is still awake after he gets hit MANY TIMES more than one, not just with one hit. Also that the many hits from the class 100 people did not KILL HIM.
But in all fairness, the point of this topic is not that one hit from hulk would kill him- nobody's saying that.
The point is that Wolverine could be beaten by hulk and other class 100 characters and is not beyond being beaten just because of his healing factor. The pics seem to back this up, without any room for doubt.

Of course class 100 people can whipe their ass with wolverine but still. The fans say he can take hits from these people so why is people like street level or 15 tons suppose to kill him with one hit.

They aren't letting up in a fight... forums aren't comic books.

anyone trying to present an argument like the one you just mentioned, twister, is as far off as those who'd say wolverine can shake off such high-class beatings. the fact remains, though, that wolverine is on the weaker side of the spectrum when it comes to most of the heavy-hitting supers out there. his healing factor, when working properly, is the only thing that's kept him from dying in many fights. that's what DC's trying to say, and it's exactly what various wolverine fanboys have been neglecting to mention in several of their posts.

personally, i think we should just turn this into the "abolishing wolverine fallacies" thread...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well...I've heard Wolverinefans say that numerous times.

But the fact is...that he doesn't. He heals from them. What is the brick that Wolverine fights most often? Hulk. Is he known for fast movements and hitting over and over again? Nope. In 9 times out of 10, Hulk gives Wolverine time to heal. It doesn't have to be much, only few seconds. But by that time, most of his wounds have healed. Now, if Hulk would continue pounding, the force of his punches would overload Wolverine's healing factor, stopping all movement (he could not stab him back when his arms are moving wildly) and finally killing him.

Some pictures I have gathered from the internet and comics prove this...

No. 1

Wolverine VS Wonder Man

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif

I believe that Hit and Run posted this picture.

This should prove it right away. If Wolverine is not given time to heal, he'll get owned. Wonder Man is not giving him a chance to breath by doing stupid things as talking peacefully to Wolverine ("Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" or saying that "Now Wonder Man will smash you!" He just keeps pounding and pounding. Wolverine doesn't have time, or speed to react to his attacks, and he is done.

No. 2

Wolverine VS Hulk I

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2337/wolverinehits24vh.gif

Hulk hits Wolverine with enough force to knock him out. Pretty straighfoward. He also doesn't walk away like he usually does, but goes at him and is about to finish him.


No. 3

Wolverine VS Grey Hulk

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/992/wolverinehits30be.gif

In that pic, Wolverine is hit on the ground. Now, it is already established that one hit wont do much damage to Wolverine unless hit very hard. But what if Grey Hulk had jumped on Wolverine and started to jump on him? Or kicked him in the head? Punched him again until he was knocked out? The A and O in fighting Wolverine is that you don't give him a chance to heal.

No. 4

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3791/wolverinehits41ou.gif

He's hit with enough force by Guardian to be knocked out. I think King Mungi posted this somewhere.

No.5

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7051/wolverinehits78hs.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4242/wolverinehits88qa.gif

I have gathered more pictures, but I think this is enough...

It's useless to say that Wolverine can take hits from Class 100. Because in forum fights, he is not given time to heal (Unless CIS is on) and if he is not given time to heal, he is screwed in no time.

Wolverine fights Hulk and refers how he cant defeat Hulk when he is not given enough time to heal.

Absolutely AWESOME scans my friend, absolutely awesome

This does nothing short of proving what we've been trying to tell some people (who at this time seem to be banned ) about Wolverine. Sure, he heals really fast and everything, but he can and will be beaten by class 100's. And if he can be beaten by class 100's, then why couldn't he be beaten by class 90's?

Yes class 100 will do that to you and duh his healing factor kept him alive and no he can not shake those 100 off. But he also said wolvie fans used it and said wolverine takes class 100 hits and and I said the pic shows wolverine taking series of them and gets back up until finally they whipe their ass with wolvies skeleton so he can take street level hits.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Absolutely AWESOME scans my friend, absolutely awesome

And if he can be beaten by class 100's, then why couldn't he be beaten by class 90's?

There's a big difference in strength level between the two .... check out the (power ratings by 10 thread), still anyone with level 5 strength and above, should be able to convincingly beat the crap out of him !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
There's a big difference in strength level between the two .... check out the (power ratings by 10 thread), still anyone with level 5 strength and above, should be able to convincingly beat the crap out of him !

I wasn't planning on turning it into an arithmetic progression, don't worry
I just meant i see no reason why Thing or Colossus from the past shouldn't be able to beat him to hell. There is a difference indeed between the two, but even so, when given the circumstances of the thread, that difference IMO isn't so important.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I wasn't planning on turning it into an arithmetic progression, don't worry
I just meant i see no reason why Thing or Colossus from the past shouldn't be able to beat him to hell. There is a difference indeed between the two, but even so, when given the circumstances of the thread, that difference IMO isn't so important.

Agreed Wiki !!!!!!!!!!

What happened to the dancing doll and the pink writing ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Agreed Wiki !!!!!!!!!!

What happened to the dancing doll and the pink writing ?

You mean the vampire boogie? I took it out
And it was getting tiresome with the pink. It had become a reflex, but it was also quite quite tiresome

^wow you are wickerman..I had no idea.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
^wow you are wickerman..I had no idea.

CALL THE PAPERS!!!!!!!!!

Lol I just thought you were some new guy. I thought the zombie died but he lives in you.

Thats why I wonder why Wolverinefans refer to comics where people beating Wolverine give him time to heal *goughnamorgough*, because they just wouldn't do so in fights without CIS and PIS. Basically, the Wonder Man fight is what should happen every time Wolverine fight's an Class 100.

Sasquatch knocked him out one time. I think he may have caught Logan off guard be he was still knocked out.

Pretty much anyone on Alpha Flight would be able to knock Wolverine out. Sassy did it, Vindicator did it, his wife can do it since her suit is just as good (i think), Northstar knocked out Sabertooth so i don't see why he couldn't do the same to wolverine, Aurora can do the same as Northstar but with STYLE ( ), Shaman............we don't even wanna go there, etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Pretty much anyone on Alpha Flight would be able to knock Wolverine out. Sassy did it, Vindicator did it, his wife can do it since her suit is just as good (i think), Northstar knocked out Sabertooth so i don't see why he couldn't do the same to wolverine, Aurora can do the same as Northstar but with STYLE ( ), Shaman............we don't even wanna go there, etc. etc. etc.

Well Wolverine gets to kill them all in the up coming New Avengers, so all is well that ends well.

(Yahman leaves in fear of a King Mungi, backlash)

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Well Wolverine gets to kill them all in the up coming New Avengers, so all is well that ends well.

(Yahman leaves in fear of a King Mungi, backlash)

icon5

He just went there

mhm

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Pretty much anyone on Alpha Flight would be able to knock Wolverine out. Sassy did it, Vindicator did it, his wife can do it since her suit is just as good (i think), Northstar knocked out Sabertooth so i don't see why he couldn't do the same to wolverine, Aurora can do the same as Northstar but with STYLE ( ), Shaman............we don't even wanna go there, etc. etc. etc.

Sasquatch took him out by suprize, but Wolverine always has a hard time pinpointing Sasquatch for some reason. No matter Exiles Sasquatch has even killed Wolverine herself.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-men120-WolvieSasquatch.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-men120b-SasWolvieShoulder.jpg

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_015.jpg

Guardian and yeah Heather's suit is equal to his and stronger in other areas.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpg

Northstar and Aurora can do the same with more style She's my favorite speedster
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-Menvol.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-Menbvol.jpg

Shaman
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WhatIf_v2_59_WhatifWolverineleadAlp.jpg

Now everyone go post in the AF respect thread

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Well Wolverine gets to kill them all in the up coming New Avengers, so all is well that ends well.

(Yahman leaves in fear of a King Mungi, backlash)

He doesn't kill them, apparently the Collective does an alien race that gains the powers of the mutants that lost their powers from House of M. However, Puck and Guardian are on the poster for the civil war and in the corner maybe Sasquatch or Werewolf by Night so they may survive this encounter

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch took him out by suprize, but Wolverine always has a hard time pinpointing Sasquatch for some reason. No matter Exiles Sasquatch has even killed Wolverine herself.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-men120-WolvieSasquatch.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-men120b-SasWolvieShoulder.jpg

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_015.jpg

Guardian and yeah Heather's suit is equal to his and stronger in other areas.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpg

Northstar and Aurora can do the same with more style She's my favorite speedster
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-Menvol.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/X-Menbvol.jpg

Shaman
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WhatIf_v2_59_WhatifWolverineleadAlp.jpg

Now everyone go post in the AF respect thread



I already knew all of that so i ain't posting in the AF respect thread

Originally posted by Dark Urizen


I already knew all of that so i ain't posting in the AF respect thread

You know if this was my birthday I would say "this is the worst birthday ever", but since it's not I will just call you an @$$hole and leave it at that. Arn't I clever for the "s's" I used money signs...how am I not world leader yet?

it doesn't look anything like any sasquatch i know, but werewolf-by-night hasn't been around in years, if not decades. unless i'm missing something...

I think it is Sasquatch. He was drawn like that when he fought Juggernaut in Uncanny #422 I think.

Originally posted by Disappear
it doesn't look anything like any sasquatch i know, but werewolf-by-night hasn't been around in years, if not decades. unless i'm missing something...

He's been making cameos in Exiles . My money is on him

http://www.toonopedia.com/werewolf.htm

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think it is Sasquatch. He was drawn like that when he fought Juggernaut in Uncanny #422 I think.

Similar
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p18.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p34.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/mcnivencivilwar.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He's been making cameos in Exiles . My money is on him

http://www.toonopedia.com/werewolf.htm



Similar
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p18.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p34.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/mcnivencivilwar.jpg

Wasn't he Zarathos' right hand man?

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Wasn't he Zarathos' right hand man?

Yep, but he looked different than different variations of WBN or he looked more like the classic werewolf look I suppose.

Wolverine .......... Marvel's biggest weak point !!!

wolverine fist fight a 90 ton guy.

Colossus has hogged Wolverine out on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Colossus has hogged Wolverine out on more than one occasion.
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Originally posted by Boozing
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Don't play dumd u were just in the thread where we posted he pics of Colossus slaping Wolverine around.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Don't play dumd u were just in the thread where we posted he pics of Colossus slaping Wolverine around.
yes , but wolverine was not koed. also he did not sleep him away he was thrown. either way this is about wolverine beeing koed by class 100 not being hit.

I never said he was ko'd check my post, and this thread is about Wolverine not dieing in fight with class 100 because they let up not him being ko'd.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
I never said he was ko'd check my post, and this thread is about Wolverine not dieing in fight with class 100 because they let up not him being ko'd.

yes so u saying wolverien go nailed by colossus is quite out of place

No my saying that if Colossus would have continued to pound him would have killed Wolverine isn't out of place.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
No my saying that if Colossus would have continued to pound him would have killed Wolverine isn't out of place.

he could of true, im not sure if that would kill wolverine and im not sure if wolverine could not of gotten up before colossus next attack

where did you get that roughhouse was class 90? the only source information i can find on him says "above-average strength," which is hardly quantifiable as superhuman, let alone superhuman class 90.

Originally posted by Disappear
where did you get that roughhouse was class 90? the only source information i can find on him says "above-average strength," which is hardly quantifiable as superhuman, let alone superhuman class 90.
lol it been stated in comics that he is just barly under hulks level of strength. also in wolverine 2004 hand book states him at same strength class as colossus

Same strenght class doesn't mean that he is same strenght. And Hulk's base level is 75 or something.

And he obviously isn't close to Hulk if a 2-tonner can fight him hand to hand.

If Cap does better then a 90-tonner, there is something wrong...

Originally posted by Boozing
lol it been stated in comics that he is just barly under hulks level of strength. also in wolverine 2004 hand book states him at same strength class as colossus

Are you wolverine8888?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Same strenght class doesn't mean that he is same strenght. And Hulk's base level is 75 or something.

And he obviously isn't close to Hulk if a 2-tonner can fight him hand to hand.

If Cap does better then a 90-tonner, there is something wrong...
cap is not even able to lift a ton.
actauly hulks base strength is 100 tons.
ya a 2 ton who is a master of many forms of combat and is consider one of the best fights in marvel. Then you also have to had in superhuman reflexes and agility, then I am not surprized in the least that he was able to beat rough-house in combat.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Are you wolverine8888?

nope, I don't even know the guy

Originally posted by Boozing
cap is not even able to lift a ton.
actauly hulks base strength is 100 tons.
ya a 2 ton who is a master of many forms of combat and is consider one of the best fights in marvel. Then you also have to had in superhuman reflexes and agility, then I am not surprized in the least that he was able to beat rough-house in combat.

All fighting skills of the world don't help you when your enemy is able to lift tanks in the air with one hand and take missiles in chest...but Roughhouse has not done anything like that, has he? What is the greatest strenght feat of him?

If he truly was Class 90, Wolverine would not have a chance without claws.

Originally posted by Boozing
nope, I don't even know the guy

Whatup880088 didn't know the guy either, but apparently he was the same person as him

Haven't we already established that Wolvie taking class 100's to the chest is pure and utter PIS....

Him surviving it is not PIS, he has adamantium skeleton that supports his structure and a healing factor. Him laughing at them is PIS.

What a fanboy sees:
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7479/class1002nc.gif

Reality:
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2337/wolverinehits24vh.gif

And any Class 100 could accomplish the same Hulk does there. Hell, any Class 50 could do it. Class 20, even. Wolverine only weighs few hundred pounds.

I can't see the whole pic.

This pic?
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2337/wolverinehits24vh.gif

Thats what i meant originally

Okay.

Though wolverine without the skeleton is turned into fanboy preserve quicker then you can say shiznitz

Good

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All fighting skills of the world don't help you when your enemy is able to lift tanks in the air with one hand and take missiles in chest...but Roughhouse has not done anything like that, has he? What is the greatest strenght feat of him?

If he truly was Class 90, Wolverine would not have a chance without claws.
actaully he is truly 90 tons as stated he little under hulks base strength which is 100 tons.
also it is not strength that would be the factor but durability.
also I don't care if u think wolverine would nto stand a chance because he does and has.

Hulks base strength is 70 tons or so not 100.

Originally posted by Boozing
actaully he is truly 90 tons as stated he little under hulks base strength which is 100 tons.
also it is not strength that would be the factor but durability.
also I don't care if u think wolverine would nto stand a chance because he does and has.

How can a 2-tonner move a 90 tonner? (You still don't have a proof that he is 90 tonner). How can he HURT a 90-tonner?

Without his claws, Wolverine doesn't stand a chance against people that can lift tanks in the air.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How can a 2-tonner move a 90 tonner? (You still don't have a proof that he is 90 tonner). How can he HURT a 90-tonner?

Without his claws, Wolverine doesn't stand a chance against people that can lift tanks in the air.
hmmm lets see wolverine 2 ton character and above right?
so if wolverine hits a guy who ways 600 pounds the dude will move.
u had in the fact that wolverine moves superhuman fast and u had in that he knows right were to hit some one it not a surprize it will do major damage. Also u need to add in the fact wolveriens nuckles are harder then any thing on earth.
also I did use proof u just love to ignor it. wolverine hand book 2004 states rough-house at level 6 strength( which is the same class as colossus)
also the same hand book lists rough-house at level 5 durability( this level is one under that of thing.)

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Hulks base strength is 70 tons or so not 100.
dude grey hulks base strength is 70 tons. green hulks base strength is 100 tons.

Boozing
Restricted

Another one bites the dust

Wonder what the new sock's name will be

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Boozing
Restricted

Another one bites the dust

Wonder what the new sock's name will be IT's really sad. . .his account was hacked, so now he's not allowed back because of what the guy did in his account. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
IT's really sad. . .his account was hacked, so now he's not allowed back because of what the guy did in his account. . .

Ummm........are you serious? I could've sworn he got banned first because Whatup880088 was a sock of Wolverine8888 and now because he was a second sock of wolverine8888. Hmmmm.....i might have the whole thing wrong though....

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Ummm........are you serious? I could've sworn he got banned first because Whatup880088 was a sock of Wolverine8888 and now because he was a second sock of wolverine8888. Hmmmm.....i might have the whole thing wrong though.... Whatup was made because Wolverine8888 was hacked. . . and since Whatup was banned Boozing was made. . .

So I guess being hacked is a bannable offense. . . Beautiful. . . I thought only gaia was that Authoritarian . . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Whatup was made because Wolverine8888 was hacked. . . and since Whatup was banned Boozing was made. . .

So I guess being hacked is a bannable offense. . . Beautiful. . . I thought only gaia was that Authoritarian . . .

I'm assuming you got the information that he was hacked directly from wolverine8888. Because if you did, don't be so sure. If his former account was hacked, he could've notified the mods that he's made a new account cause that one was hacked. They would've banned wolverine8888 but left Whatup880088 alone. Something similar to that happened to Rage, when he had to use Rage21, then Colossus17, then bla bla bla. But he's not banned, now is he? He notified the mods, and all is well.

On the other hand you have Whatup880088 who claimed on several occassions to not know who the hell wolverine8888 is. And after Whatup880088 was made, he was using both accounts because he was posting at the same time in the exact same way from both accounts, while still insisting he doesn't know who wolverine8888 is and from the other account insisting he doesn't know who whatup880088 is.

And now this Boozing username....i have no idea who it is, but i'm assuming it's wolverine8888 with a second attempt at a sock.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I'm assuming you got the information that he was hacked directly from wolverine8888.Indirectly. A sudden increase in spelling skills, personality and intelligence is a pretty good sign. Sort of like the way that you know a sock is him.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Because if you did, don't be so sure. If his former account was hacked, he could've notified the mods that he's made a new account cause that one was hacked. I'm not sure if he thought about that.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
They would've banned wolverine8888 but left Whatup880088 alone. Something similar to that happened to Rage, when he had to use Rage21, then Colossus17, then bla bla bla. But he's not banned, now is he? He notified the mods, and all is well. AGain with the intelligence thing. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
On the other hand you have Whatup880088 who claimed on several occassions to not know who the hell wolverine8888 is. And after Whatup880088 was made, he was using both accounts because he was posting at the same time in the exact same way from both accounts, Appearently you didn't see quadeight in the official off topic thread in the vs forum. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
while still insisting he doesn't know who wolverine8888 is and from the other account insisting he doesn't know who whatup880088 is. Feigning ignorance is no indicator, like how noone beleived him anyway, he probably feared the treatment he's currently receiving from mods and regular users alike, and might have seen this as an oppertunity to wipe the slate clean. . . Who knows.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
And now this Boozing username....i have no idea who it is, but i'm assuming it's wolverine8888 with a second attempt at a sock. I think so too. But I'm pretty damned certain that He was hacked, because as I said before, the Personality was different, his mannerisms, spelling skills and I actually held an in depth conversation with him about something not Wolverine related. . .

I think the recent wolverine vs. cap america thread was the one in which both wolverine8888 and whatup880088 were posting. So if his account was hacked and he went and made the whatup880088 account, then why were the two posting in the same fashion, in the same thread, both claiming to not know the other?

I for one don't believe that his account was hacked. I think he just wanted to start fresh, without the wolverine fanboy aura that was hovering around the username wolverine8888. And then when he got busted, he said his account was hacked.

And even if what he's saying is true, then he should've told the mods from the get-go like Rage did. If he would have, i can assure you that none of this would have happened, because we even have past examples. But since he didn't, you can;t blame the mods for banning him because there's no way to prove that what he's saying is true.

It's like a girl is raped by her boyfriend, and she doesn't tell anyone. And a few weeks later she notices she's pregnant, but she can't prove that she was raped, because when there would've been evidence and steps that could've been taken, she chose to remain silent. So nothing can be done about it. So now everyone thinks she's pregnant because she had sex with her boyfriend. In truth, she was raped (his account was hacked) but she didn't say anything (he didn't report it) and now nobody believes her story and they think she had sex with him (he's banned because people think he made a sock).

It's completely reasonable of the mods, so don't bash them. If they believed him now, they'd be opening a whole new can of worms where people can just make socks as much as they like and then claim they had been hacked every time they make a sock.

But again, i personally don't believe the story,because he was posting from both accounts at the same time, in the same manner, with the same spelling mistakes, in a thread that regarded wolverine, and he didn't do anything regarding his "hacked" account. Like i said, i think he just wanted to start fresh without all the bad rep he had as wolverine8888.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I think the recent wolverine vs. cap america thread was the one in which both wolverine8888 and whatup880088 were posting. So if his account was hacked and he went and made the whatup880088 account, then why were the two posting in the same fashion, in the same thread, both claiming to not know the other?I'm not sure. . . hmm . . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I for one don't believe that his account was hacked. I think he just wanted to start fresh, without the wolverine fanboy aura that was hovering around the username wolverine8888. And then when he got busted, he said his account was hacked. When did he claim to be hacked?

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
And even if what he's saying is true, then he should've told the mods from the get-go like Rage did. If he would have, i can assure you that none of this would have happened, because we even have past examples. But since he didn't, you can;t blame the mods for banning him because there's no way to prove that what he's saying is true.One thing I think is odd is that he even figured out how to make socks. . . probably my fault somehow. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
It's like a girl is raped Do ****ing NOT use this as an analogy. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
by her boyfriend, and she doesn't tell anyone. And a few weeks later she notices she's pregnant, but she can't prove that she was raped, because when there would've been evidence and steps that could've been taken, she chose to remain silent. So nothing can be done about it. So now everyone thinks she's pregnant because she had sex with her boyfriend. In truth, she was raped (his account was hacked) but she didn't say anything (he didn't report it) and now nobody believes her story and they think she had sex with him (he's banned because people think he made a sock). So you think that being hacked caused deep emotional scarring that made him affraid to step forward in fear of retaliation by the hacker of feelings of self worthlessness or blame?

Sorry. . rape is an ugly ugly thing. . .

Though I suppose the analogy might be more spot on thatn you realize. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
It's completely reasonable of the mods, so don't bash them. I'm not just some of the policies, Like I might hate the laws, but not the cops.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
If they believed him now, they'd be opening a whole new can of worms where people can just make socks as much as they like and then claim they had been hacked every time they make a sock. Unfortunatly this is true as well. . . I'm not sure if there is a mutually amiable solution. . .

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
But again, i personally don't believe the story,because he was posting from both accounts at the same time, in the same manner, with the same spelling mistakes, in a thread that regarded wolverine, and he didn't do anything regarding his "hacked" account. Like i said, i think he just wanted to start fresh without all the bad rep he had as wolverine8888. Wolverine8888 (the hacked) might have been imitating him so as to lessen the probability of being discovered, so he could continue on in the hacked account, until a time of their choosing to reveal themselves, and the real wolverine8888 might have been affraid of incurring the wrath of the hacker, because they mayt or may not be able to do more than just hack the account.

Um...perhaps you guys should make a new thread for this...

Here is the entire Sasquatch vs. Wolverine fight
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How can a 2-tonner move a 90 tonner? (You still don't have a proof that he is 90 tonner). How can he HURT a 90-tonner?



Is this based on the strength Force concept .... I.e. Superhumna strong characters tap into some comical force, which keeps them rooted to the ground , depending on their strength ???????


The same force is used to lift impossible heavy objects ???????

Other wise a 2 tonner would have no problem moving a 90 ton character, as the would probabaly weigh less than two tons !

and stop referring to logan as a two-tonner. his strength still isn't superhuman, and the say so of a handbook can't make that the truth.

Originally posted by Disappear
and stop referring to logan as a two-tonner. his strength still isn't superhuman, and the say so of a handbook can't make that the truth.


Ooooh im shaking in my little space boots !!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Pretty much anyone on Alpha Flight would be able to knock Wolverine out. Sassy did it, Vindicator did it, his wife can do it since her suit is just as good (i think), Northstar knocked out Sabertooth so i don't see why he couldn't do the same to wolverine, Aurora can do the same as Northstar but with STYLE ( ), Shaman............we don't even wanna go there, etc. etc. etc.

Maybe he has a weakness to his fellow Canadians eh?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Thats why I wonder why Wolverinefans refer to comics where people beating Wolverine give him time to heal *goughnamorgough*, because they just wouldn't do so in fights without CIS and PIS. Basically, the Wonder Man fight is what should happen every time Wolverine fight's an Class 100.

someone gets a free sneak attack from behind?


see that's the thing.. against most bricks,
wolverine:

MORE SKILLED,
FASTER,
MORE AGILE,
AND HE CAN PUT THEM DOWN IN A FEW BLOWS...

but it seems like everyone on the forums thinks that wolverine's always going to be
hit: first
and hit: more often...

WTF is up with that?


sure class 100 punches can put wolverine down eventually.. but the fact is it usually takes more than one shot to do it.

Can wolverine take class 100 punches all day?
nah...

but can he take enough to keep him in a fight with a class 100? oh yeah...

nice bias scans by the way.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well...I've heard Wolverinefans say that numerous times.

But the fact is...that he doesn't. He heals from them. What is the brick that Wolverine fights most often? Hulk. Is he known for fast movements and hitting over and over again? Nope. In 9 times out of 10, Hulk gives Wolverine time to heal. It doesn't have to be much, only few seconds. But by that time, most of his wounds have healed. Now, if Hulk would continue pounding, the force of his punches would overload Wolverine's healing factor, stopping all movement (he could not stab him back when his arms are moving wildly) and finally killing him.

Some pictures I have gathered from the internet and comics prove this...

No. 1

Wolverine VS Wonder Man

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif

I believe that Hit and Run posted this picture.

This should prove it right away. If Wolverine is not given time to heal, he'll get owned. Wonder Man is not giving him a chance to breath by doing stupid things as talking peacefully to Wolverine ("Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" or saying that "Now Wonder Man will smash you!" He just keeps pounding and pounding. Wolverine doesn't have time, or speed to react to his attacks, and he is done.

No. 2

Wolverine VS Hulk I

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2337/wolverinehits24vh.gif

Hulk hits Wolverine with enough force to knock him out. Pretty straighfoward. He also doesn't walk away like he usually does, but goes at him and is about to finish him.


No. 3

Wolverine VS Grey Hulk

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/992/wolverinehits30be.gif

In that pic, Wolverine is hit on the ground. Now, it is already established that one hit wont do much damage to Wolverine unless hit very hard. But what if Grey Hulk had jumped on Wolverine and started to jump on him? Or kicked him in the head? Punched him again until he was knocked out? The A and O in fighting Wolverine is that you don't give him a chance to heal.

No. 4

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3791/wolverinehits41ou.gif

He's hit with enough force by Guardian to be knocked out. I think King Mungi posted this somewhere.

No.5

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7051/wolverinehits78hs.gif
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4242/wolverinehits88qa.gif

I have gathered more pictures, but I think this is enough...

It's useless to say that Wolverine can take hits from Class 100. Because in forum fights, he is not given time to heal (Unless CIS is on) and if he is not given time to heal, he is screwed in no time.

Wolverine fights Hulk and refers how he cant defeat Hulk when he is not given enough time to heal.

Ha ha!

My minds telling me no!.....but my bodies,telling me Yeeees!!!

whistling

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1341/ownedur5.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1458/wolverine45008kl5.th.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7676/wolverine47010dw6.th.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1071/marvelteamup023022hv0.th.jpg

So yeah ... he can get knocked out .... but the majority of the time he doesn't.

I'm pretty sure a class 100 can throw a 300 pound person at escape velocity. Just throwing that out there.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty sure a class 100 can throw a 300 pound person at escape velocity. Just throwing that out there.

I, for one, doubt that it would take a hundred tons of lifting strength to throw a three hundred pound midget escape velocity.

I could be wrong though, not like I worked out any equations.

Originally posted by Soljer
I, for one, doubt that it would take a hundred tons of lifting strength to throw a three hundred pound midget escape velocity.

I could be wrong though, not like I worked out any equations.

Depends how fast you can move your arm (though the wind resistance would would take away a lot of his velocity)

yeah, brute strength doesn't translate into arm-speed. be nice if it were that easy -- all i'd need to do is lift some weights and i could throw like roger clemens of hit a volleyball like karch kiraly in his prime . . . instead you got 150lbs string beans like rivera and pedro able to throw 100mph while guys 100lbs heavier throw less -- in some cases a LOT less . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, brute strength doesn't translate into arm-speed. be nice if it were that easy -- all i'd need to do is lift some weights and i could throw like roger clemens of hit a volleyball like karch kiraly in his prime . . . instead you got 150lbs string beans like rivera and pedro able to throw 100mph while guys 100lbs heavier throw less -- in some cases a LOT less . . .

It isn't just arm speed, though.

You may have a pitcher that can throw for higher miles per hour than he weighs in pounds, but let's see him try a shot put? A hammer throw? Those guys are big, and with reason.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty sure a class 100 can throw a 300 pound person at escape velocity. Just throwing that out there.

Yup. Thor: Vikings. A weakened Thor kills a guy by punching him into orbit.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Yup. Thor: Vikings. A weakened Thor kills a guy by punching him into orbit.

Thor can whip Mjolnir around at 3x light-speed though = very fast arm speed.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Thor can whip Mjolnir around at 3x light-speed though = very fast arm speed. Can you show he exhibits such arm speed with things other than Mjolnir... you know the magic hammer... with numerous enchantments and whatnot...?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Can you show he exhibits such arm speed with things other than Mjolnir... you know the magic hammer... with numerous enchantments and whatnot...?

.

That's a bit of a hard request to fulfill, and you know it. Thor IS Mjolnir. Mjolnir IS Thor. There is no reason for him to spin his arm in a circle at three times the speed of light if he ISN'T holding Mjolnir....

.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Can you show he exhibits such arm speed with things other than Mjolnir... you know the magic hammer... with numerous enchantments and whatnot...?

You'd still need psychotic finesse to fling that hammer that quickly. It's not all hammer. You need a proper user.

Captain America wouldn't be able to do similar.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You'd still need psychotic finesse to fling that hammer that quickly. It's not all hammer. You need a proper user.

Captain America wouldn't be able to do similar. Yeah, but I don't think the feat you posted i.e. "A weakened Thor kills a guy by punching him into orbit." was meant to imply he had superfast arms, it's a strength feat. In the same way that although Superman et al. fly when they pull a planet it's not a flight speed feat it's intended as a strength feat.

Wolverine is a Chicken

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah, but I don't think the feat you posted i.e. "A weakened Thor kills a guy by punching him into orbit." was meant to imply he had superfast arms, it's a strength feat. In the same way that although Superman et al. fly when they pull a planet it's not a flight speed feat it's intended as a strength feat.
It could be argued that Superman's strength when tugging a planet is largely due to the strength of his flight abilities.

He was once attached to this machine that sapped him of all his physical strength, but when he realized he still had his power to fly he just flew out of there, bringing the machine he was attached to out of the ground.

The Average human unwittingly devours over 200 insects in 1 year.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/...inehits30be.gif

I miss Mr Fixit.

i just requested judge to make a hulk vs wolverine fight on his website it will be there soon he says hulk will bend wolverines bones in the end

Originally posted by Chikorita
i just requested judge to make a hulk vs wolverine fight on his website it will be there soon he says hulk will bend wolverines bones in the end

Nobody cares about Da judge or whoever his name is and his terrible website, or for that matter, what he says. There is a reason he is typically insta-banned here. If I want to read comic book battles, I come here for interesting responses.

his site rocks

So ermm what people under class 100 have knocked out Wolverine?

innocent

Originally posted by Alfheim
So ermm what people under class 100 have knocked out Wolverine?

innocent USA Agent...

Originally posted by bigbran
USA Agent...

Yeah but i think he used explosives as well. I mean knocked out with just physical weapons or fists.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but i think he used explosives as well. I mean knocked out with just physical weapons or fists. Not at all... I'll go get the fight...

Originally posted by bigbran
Not at all... I'll go get the fight...

Please do.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Please do. http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9229/crusades0536uo0.th.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9229/crusades0536uo0.th.jpg

Of course somebody is going to say he was suprised but at any rate his durability should have enabled him not to be knocked out..cheers.

*mumbles to himself*

Cap cant knock him out my ***....most incosistent character on the face of this earth...gets on my bloody nerves....

Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course somebody is going to say he was suprised but at any rate his durability should have enabled him not to be knocked out..cheers.

*mumbles to himself*

Cap cant knock him out my ***....most incosistent character on the face of this earth...gets on my bloody nerves.... Well... I figure since people like to use him beating Gamora (you saw what he did)...

Also, Pip has taken him out.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6606/infintywars0412iq9.th.jpg

People like to say he wasn't KOed, but the fact is, that he was out, just like Gamora, Nova, Colossus, and others when they were being brought up by Galactus.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8813/infintywars0418mq5.th.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
Well... I figure since people like to use him beating Gamora (you saw what he did)...

Also, Pip has taken him out.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6606/infintywars0412iq9.th.jpg

People like to say he wasn't KOed, but the fact is, that he was out, just like Gamora, Nova, Colossus, and others when they were being brought up by Galactus.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8813/infintywars0418mq5.th.jpg

Well lets put it this way..after Pip hit him Wolverine was doubled over. That does seem like PIS though Pip doesnt even have normal human strength I dont think.

Only ONE logical explanation... He is canadian

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well lets put it this way..after Pip hit him Wolverine was doubled over. That does seem like PIS though Pip doesnt even have normal human strength I dont think.

Actually when he was a member of the Infinity Watch he said that the new bodies that Warlock had got for them were much improved on their original ones.

Pip said he was as strong as Spiderman and lifted a pretty big rock over his head to prove it.

Originally posted by Hercules
Actually when he was a member of the Infinity Watch he said that the new bodies that Warlock had got for them were much improved on their original ones.

Pip said he was as strong as Spiderman and lifted a pretty big rock over his head to prove it.

Mmmm I dunno. At any rate this proves that you dont need to have class 100 to knock him out if you have sufficient martial arts knowledge and you hit him in the right place he is going down.

Furthermore people use the excuse that Wolverine is fighting at best ability, but Wolverine cannot mentally control his durability or use his fighting skills to become more durable, his durability remains the same and the fact of the matter is if you are good enough and hit him in the right place its still going to hurt or take him out.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Mmmm I dunno. At any rate this proves that you dont need to have class 100 to knock him out if you have sufficient martial arts knowledge and you hit him in the right place he is going down.

Furthermore people use the excuse that Wolverine is fighting at best ability, but Wolverine cannot mentally control his durability or use his fighting skills to become more durable, his durability remains the same and the fact of the matter is if you are good enough and hit him in the right place its still going to hurt or take him out.

Well its in the same issue of Infinity Watch that Gamora takes on the UN force that lands on Monster Isle, I will be damned if I can remember the issue number though.

The Infinity Watch was such an awesome comic!

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
The wolverine hatred is overwhelming lol. half those scans he is still awake after he gets hit MANY TIMES more than one, not just with one hit. Also that the many hits from the class 100 people did not KILL HIM.

Get a look at the thread title and you can see the point of this.

He can take cl 100 hits. Like nothing however? Wankang material.

Anybody else got any scans of non bricks Koing Wolverine? No seriously I wanna know.

it should be like in the ultimate universe where hulk tears him in half

Originally posted by Mider999
it should be like in the ultimate universe where hulk tears him in half

The fanboys wouldnt like that, thats why capt it up doesnt like ultimate wolverine. Hes not invulnerable.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The fanboys wouldnt like that, thats why capt it up doesnt like ultimate wolverine. Hes not invulnerable.
false I don't like ulitmate wolverine becuase he looks stupid haft the time. His personality is quite different from 616 wolverine and he an idiot most of the time while he fights. It has nothing to do with his healing factor since well I loved wolverine in his first issues in uncanny x-men and he did not even have a healing factor.........


but thanks for bringing me up and getting what I think completely wrong

how comes they are having wolverine fight hulk agian in WWH , hulk should be killing him witha flick about now , he's da most pissed versoin ever appearently so why does marvel keep having him fight people who he shoudl not struggle aginast with his new state of power, charecters who shoudl be even more of a weakling to him in comparsiosn i.e. wolverine , thing etc

Yeah.... I'd find it kindof weird if Hulk Can take out Black Bolt and Doctor Strange in the span of an issue... why he wolverine would last more than 5 panels would be a bit.... odd.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Yeah.... I'd find it kindof weird if Hulk Can take out Black Bolt and Doctor Strange in the span of an issue... why he wolverine would last more than 5 panels would be a bit.... odd.

Apparnetly he has had an upgrade and hes really pissed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Apparnetly he has had an upgrade and hes really pissed.

wolverine?

Originally posted by jasonk3
wolverine?

Ugh no..Hulk. Wolverine doesnt need an upgrade.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Yeah.... I'd find it kindof weird if Hulk Can take out Black Bolt and Doctor Strange in the span of an issue... why he wolverine would last more than 5 panels would be a bit.... odd. Because, although he can probably throw a 747 and crash it into the moon. He can only knock Wolverine a few feet.
And, Wolverine has claws.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ugh no..Hulk. Wolverine doesnt need an upgrade.

Why not?

Originally posted by Juntai
Because, although he can probably throw a 747 and crash it into the moon. He can only knock Wolverine a few feet.
And, Wolverine has claws. Makes perfect sense to me. Seeing as those fights are made like both characters are to the best of their abilities in their non-crossover fights.

sorry but I find it funny when people try and use the if wolverine got punch he end on the moon crap............


seeing as how iuf any one 10 tons or more punch any character they go flying.........

I just love these double standers people set.

Originally posted by capt it up
sorry but I find it funny when people try and use the if wolverine got punch he end on the moon crap............


seeing as how iuf any one 10 tons or more punch any character they go flying.........

I just love these double standers people set. It's not to the Moon but a decent punch. Jen stated it was to the next county.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02-11.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-03-6.jpg

And samson's much bigger AND Heavier than wolvie...

Originally posted by capt it up
sorry but I find it funny when people try and use the if wolverine got punch he end on the moon crap............


seeing as how iuf any one 10 tons or more punch any character they go flying.........

I just love these double standers people set. It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.

Bro the problem is there is alot of stuff that doesnt make any sense in the MU. For starters if the Hulk is able to lift 100,000s of tons he should be breaking stuff and killing people by accident all the time. But he doesnt.

Furthermore he should be able to flex his muscles and the pure force generated by the muscles should be able to be projected. But he doesnt.

Most versions of Wolverine have several clicks of charge, so he can ignore knock back damage.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore he should be able to flex his muscles and the pure force generated by the muscles should be able to be projected.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos


Im sorry but that is logical. His muscles have the power to lift 100,000s of tons or eeven millions. If the Hulk can gnerate force by clapping two hands together, why cant the flexing of two muscles gnerate enough kinetic force for it to project outwards.

Another thing if the Hulk onely weighs a certain amount and his arms are strong enough to lift 100, 000s of tons shouldnt his leg musles be able to make him move as fast as a speedster?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry but that is logical. His muscles have the power to lift 100,000s of tons or eeven millions. If the Hulk can gnerate force by clapping two hands together, why cant the flexing of two muscles gnerate enough kinetic force for it to project outwards.

Another thing if the Hulk onely weighs a certain amount and his arms are strong enough to lift 100, 000s of tons shouldnt his leg musles be able to make him move as fast as a speedster?

Hulk can run quite fast can't he? I'm sure I read he can but obviously using those same leg muscles for leaping it means he can cover a greater distance faster.

Wonderman at one point used to leap like the Hulk, before he could fly and after his jet packs had been destroyed fighting Gamma Burn (man I'm a geek!)

And he could also use his legs to run pretty fast, Ginger and Spider were following him in a car and had him clocked at 40mph.

Simon looked at them and then took off leaving the car standing and zig zagging out of other cars in traffic.

So if Ionic leg muscle allows you to leap like the Hulk, I wonder if Hulk leg muscles enable you to run like Wonderman?

Its still not Quicksilver fast but pretty fast all the same and Rhino is Gamma powered and he can run pretty fast too.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry but that is logical. His muscles have the power to lift 100,000s of tons or eeven millions. If the Hulk can gnerate force by clapping two hands together, why cant the flexing of two muscles gnerate enough kinetic force for it to project outwards.

Another thing if the Hulk onely weighs a certain amount and his arms are strong enough to lift 100, 000s of tons shouldnt his leg musles be able to make him move as fast as a speedster? dur

No one likes my Heroclix reference...

/wrists

Originally posted by Hercules
Hulk can run quite fast can't he? I'm sure I read he can but obviously using those same leg muscles for leaping it means he can cover a greater distance faster.

Wonderman at one point used to leap like the Hulk, before he could fly and after his jet packs had been destroyed fighting Gamma Burn (man I'm a geek!)

And he could also use his legs to run pretty fast, Ginger and Spider were following him in a car and had him clocked at 40mph.

Simon looked at them and then took off leaving the car standing and zig zagging out of other cars in traffic.

So if Ionic leg muscle allows you to leap like the Hulk, I wonder if Hulk leg muscles enable you to run like Wonderman?

Its still not Quicksilver fast but pretty fast all the same and Rhino is Gamma powered and he can run pretty fast too.

Ok bro im not talking about leaping im talking about running. How much does Thor weigh or The Hulk? These guys can lift millions or 100,000s of tons and your telling me they can run at 40 mph

Ok think about it they can lift millions of tons and they weigh very little in comparison. How fast do you think they should be able to logically run?

The WM example is pretty impressive but all class 100s should be able to run that fast and faster if they can lift millions or 100,000s of tons.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.

a ton of force do you mean in comic because in real life it's a lot less. or are you using a hypbole

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry but that is logical. His muscles have the power to lift 100,000s of tons or eeven millions. If the Hulk can gnerate force by clapping two hands together, why cant the flexing of two muscles gnerate enough kinetic force for it to project outwards.

Hulk has no powers that would allow him to convert:

ChemicalE --> KineticE --> ConcussiveBlasts

Originally posted by Alfheim
Another thing if the Hulk onely weighs a certain amount and his arms are strong enough to lift 100, 000s of tons shouldnt his leg musles be able to make him move as fast as a speedster?

Yeah. Thats why has around ClassicQS is running speed and can jump almost into orbit.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok bro im not talking about leaping im talking about running. How much does Thor weigh or The Hulk? These guys can lift millions or 100,000s of tons and your telling me they can run at 40 mph

Ok think about it they can lift millions of tons and they weigh very little in comparison. How fast do you think they should be able to logically run?

The WM example is pretty impressive but all class 100s should be able to run that fast and faster if they can lift millions or 100,000s of tons.

Umm, they might have muscles strong enough to lift 100 of tons, but these muscles aren't necessarily super fast. You do know that strenght doesn't necessarily mean = speed. We've seen Hulk lift huge things with ease, but has the movement been super fast?

If a super strong character has lots of explosive power he could probably jump high, but would he be able to move his legs fast enough to gain super fast running speed?

By your logic, weight lifters could outrun sprintters with ease..

And, we need to remember that we're talking about comics here, Wolverine jumps 50ft in the air, but is only able to lift 2 tons at best I guess Hulk is pretty much the same then

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro the problem is there is alot of stuff that doesnt make any sense in the MU. For starters if the Hulk is able to lift 100,000s of tons he should be breaking stuff and killing people by accident all the time. But he doesnt.

Furthermore he should be able to flex his muscles and the pure force generated by the muscles should be able to be projected. But he doesnt. My point is that he doesn't send him flying anyway because it's a crossover battle. Hulk does break things all the time.

My point was he does all of these great things in his own showings, but it is written down to make crossover fights better, that's common knowledge.

Originally posted by jasofisc
a ton of force do you mean in comic because in real life it's a lot less. or are you using a hypbole Not that many tons, but about 600-2200 lbs per square inch if applied correctly.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It depends on who hits them. Spiderman won't hit that hard, but Hulk would. And I hope you don't mean as in force because trained fighters can hit with a ton or so force and don't send anyone flying.

Bad writing is bad writing in my opinion.
whats bad writitng though?


So ever time Logans gets hit and does not fly back is now consider bad writing..............hope you hold spiderman to that stander.

by the ways if you hit some one with 10 tons fo force they go flying.

Originally posted by capt it up
whats bad writitng though? Do you have to ask?


Originally posted by capt it up
So ever time Logans gets hit and does not fly back is now consider bad writing..............hope you hold spiderman to that stander. You're putting things in my mouth. My comment was in a reference to Hulk not "every time Logan got hit and didn't fly back" If they can make him fly from a deer (I'm not arguing if he was injured), they can make him fly from the Hulk. Spiderman actually spends alot of time in the air and he rolls out of hits, Spiderman doesn't generally get hit directly head on because he can't afford to like Logan and he's flown back many times and Wolverine has too (although inconsistently). You won't see me defending one character and ignoring another when they do the same thing, it's just that you think I or someone else is picking on Wolverine whenever they say something about him that is critical.

Originally posted by capt it up
by the ways if you hit some one with 10 tons fo force they go flying. I was referring to a ton of force. A person would fly from 10 tons of force.

I'm going to say that on KMC a punch from somebody in the high tier strength category ends up like this.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02-11.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-03-6.jpg

Well that's just the point. In a comic book they might lower a character down to make it a better read. But you can't use a punch that didn't do the force it should and say that character took those punches can you?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well that's just the point. In a comic book they might lower a character down to make it a better read. But you can't use a punch that didn't do the force it should and say that character took those punches can you? I don't think so. Plus the rules of the versus forum make it so the combatants use their powers to the fullest. So in a comic a low tier may not get sent flying from a punch by a high tier but on KMC it would happen.

It's no different than if Wolverine stabbed/sliced/scratched someone where they should bleed and they didn't bleed, the fans of Wolverine would undoubtedly consider it bad writing. It's the exact same thing. While it might be a good story, it is inaccurate to how the fight would occur on the forum and therefore pointless.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's no different than if Wolverine stabbed/sliced/scratched someone where they should bleed and they didn't bleed, the fans of Wolverine would undoubtedly consider it bad writing. It's the exact same thing. While it might be a good story, it is inaccurate to how the fight would occur on the forum and therefore pointless. Exactly. The speed blitz is also a good example. Superman and Wonder Woman both have the capability to speed blitz but rarely do in a comic.


I was thinking of posting something like this on the versus forum:
On KMC so and so wins 8/10 but in a comic so and so wins 5/10.

Exactly, it's what makes Flash and Strange who they are here. I don't see why people don't understand this isn't a comic book. We're just debating the characters.

I guess they only see things a certain way. It took me a while to get used to it here.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hulk has no powers that would allow him to convert:

ChemicalE --> KineticE --> ConcussiveBlasts

Yes he does if an object emits enough power it can produce force. The Hulk has chemicals that enable his muslces to move, the power generated from the muscles should be able to produce force even if they dont touch you. At the end of the day the reason why his thunderclap generates force is because of the power. Therefore if something moves with enough force, you should feel the force generated by it. I think my next point will prove my case.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Yeah. Thats why has around ClassicQS is running speed and can jump almost into orbit.

And you think that makes sense that The Hulk who weighs almost a ton but can lift 100,000s of tons should be ALMOST be able to leave the atmosphere. Let me break it down to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle#Solid_Rocket_Boosters

A space shuttle weighs approx 2237 tons approx (4,474,574 lbs).

The combined effort of the rockets produce 2800 tons of force (2.8million lbs each). This enables them to reach 150, 000 feet.


http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/atmosphere.html

The height of the atmosphere is 348 miles. So how much power does a space shuttle need to reach the end of the earths atmosphere?

348 miles = 2 million feet 2 million divided by 150,000 = approx 13

Therefore we need to multiply the power of the engine 2800 tons by 13 this equals 36, 400 tons of force.

Therefore if something weighs 2237 tons you need 36, 400 tons of force to project it into orbit. How much does The Hulk weigh? The Hulk weighs about a ton and a half and he can lift 100, 000s of tons even millions. Hulk should not be almost going out of orbit he should be going into outer space! Not only that all the other class 100 cant do it either. Apparently Hercules can only reach a 100 feet with one jump and hes pulled Manhattan with chains!

Futhermore what do you think the speed of something travelling with enough force to go outside the atmosphere would be travelling? A space shuttle in the atmosphere can reach 3094 miles per hour and thats with 2273 tons of weight.

If his muscles are that powerful they dont need to touch you.

Being logical if the Hulk tried to run his muscles should project him off the planet.


Originally posted by Jyppe
Umm, they might have muscles strong enough to lift 100 of tons, but these muscles aren't necessarily super fast. You do know that strenght doesn't necessarily mean = speed. We've seen Hulk lift huge things with ease, but has the movement been super fast?

If a super strong character has lots of explosive power he could probably jump high, but would he be able to move his legs fast enough to gain super fast running speed?

By your logic, weight lifters could outrun sprintters with ease..

And, we need to remember that we're talking about comics here, Wolverine jumps 50ft in the air, but is only able to lift 2 tons at best I guess Hulk is pretty much the same then

Were not talking about weight lifters were talking about people who can lift 100,000 of tons or millions and weigh at most almost a ton...theres a big difference. See my calculations above.

I dont care if it doesnt make any sense. Im just pointing out to people who keep b*itching about how this or that should make sense when nothing makes sense. If we were to make evrything logical it would change completely how we do battles on KMC.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point is that he doesn't send him flying anyway because it's a crossover battle. Hulk does break things all the time.



He should break stuff all the time even when hes not mad.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Exactly, it's what makes Flash and Strange who they are here. I don't see why people don't understand this isn't a comic book. We're just debating the characters.

Whats your point? You establish what characters can do by reading the comic.